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Oct 6, 2015 8:54:37 GMT 1
Post by lankystreak on Oct 6, 2015 8:54:37 GMT 1
As i posted on here in the past. In the mid 1990's i recommended 5 Swedish players to Huddersfield Town when i lived there, all were cheap, all 5 became internationals. The club itself has not produced 5 internationals in my lifetime. I think i know about football...as clearly most on here do. How on Earth is this current team better than any of the recent few years? Why does Slapps think they are a good, competitive team when i have not seen a single great performance in over 3 years? Captainclapper...thats why. ps Went to the Lebowski bar in Reykjavik, most bizarre and themed on the movie. Our first poor performance....and i speak bunkum. It was pitiful. The club did follow me up, Jackson and Yorath flew out and met me on Ruberys plane and took Mattsson on trial. 3 years of complete shite but of course we are a top team. Have we beaten a single one in that time? Right - thanks for being specific Jesper Mattsson, the Swedish international who made 1 single appearance for Sweden in 1995. I am confused about your timeline... Mattsson was born in April 1968 - you said you recommended them to Town in the mid 90's, in 1995 Mattsson was 27 and made his single appearance for Sweden against Iceland on June 1st that year. So did he become an international or was he already an international? Now you flew with Jackson and Yorath who took over in Oct 1997, in Rubery's plane who took over at Town in Jan 1999 to view the player (who WAS an international at this stage). He joined his final club Nottingham Forest (after a trial) a month earlier on Dec 10th 1998 at 31 for £300k. He made 5 starts and 1 sub appearance for Forest before retiring - I think we got off lucky there Who were the other 4? - I love a bit of detective work This is one of my favourite posts ever!!!! Good Work Detective!
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Post by wtd on Oct 6, 2015 9:18:45 GMT 1
I think its a case of desperately needing to be 'proved right'. So for example a poster doesn't like a managerial appointment, he then goes on a campaign to be proved right- ignoring anything positive, exaggerating anything negative. Could be about a particular player, or DHs running of the club, or the academy or anything else or a combination of them all. Everything said has to fit into that agenda of 'told you so- i was right all along' , even if it means posting endless Huddersfield Town-hating drivel about a club they probably love deep down. The football forum in general has given a platform to every Gary Neville wannabe. Everyone now wants to show off their football knowledge in the hope that being a football aficionado will validates their (sometimes invisible) existence... 'I'm a football expert therefore I am'. Being proved right is their raison d'etre even at the expense of getting behind their football team and actually enjoying themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:20:47 GMT 1
As i posted on here in the past. In the mid 1990's i recommended 5 Swedish players to Huddersfield Town when i lived there, all were cheap, all 5 became internationals. The club itself has not produced 5 internationals in my lifetime. I think i know about football...as clearly most on here do. How on Earth is this current team better than any of the recent few years? Why does Slapps think they are a good, competitive team when i have not seen a single great performance in over 3 years? Captainclapper...thats why. ps Went to the Lebowski bar in Reykjavik, most bizarre and themed on the movie. Our first poor performance....and i speak bunkum. It was pitiful. The club did follow me up, Jackson and Yorath flew out and met me on Ruberys plane and took Mattsson on trial. 3 years of complete shite but of course we are a top team. Have we beaten a single one in that time? Right - thanks for being specific Jesper Mattsson, the Swedish international who made 1 single appearance for Sweden in 1995. I am confused about your timeline... Mattsson was born in April 1968 - you said you recommended them to Town in the mid 90's, in 1995 Mattsson was 27 and made his single appearance for Sweden against Iceland on June 1st that year. So did he become an international or was he already an international? Now you flew with Jackson and Yorath who took over in Oct 1997, in Rubery's plane who took over at Town in Jan 1999 to view the player (who WAS an international at this stage). He joined his final club Nottingham Forest (after a trial) a month earlier on Dec 10th 1998 at 31 for £300k. He made 5 starts and 1 sub appearance for Forest before retiring - I think we got off lucky there Who were the other 4? - I love a bit of detective work Brilliant piece of work Doc. Well done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:25:33 GMT 1
I think its a case of desperately needing to be 'proved right'. So for example a poster doesn't like a managerial appointment, he then goes on a campaign to be proved right- ignoring anything positive, exaggerating anything negative. Could be about a particular player, or DHs running of the club, or the academy or anything else or a combination of them all. Everything said has to fit into that agenda of 'told you so- i was right all along' , even if it means posting endless Huddersfield Town-hating drivel about a club they probably love deep down. The football forum in general has given a platform to every Gary Neville wannabe. Everyone now wants to show off their football knowledge in the hope that being a football aficionado will validates their (sometimes invisible) existence... 'I'm a football expert therefore I am'. Being proved right is their raison d'etre even at the expense of getting behind their football team and actually enjoying themselves. God forbid, some of us spend our hard earned cash and just go along and make the best of what we get on any given Saturday. Can't remember the last town match I went to and didn't enjoy it, for one reason or another.
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Oct 6, 2015 13:45:59 GMT 1
Post by ringdisco on Oct 6, 2015 13:45:59 GMT 1
Right - thanks for being specific Jesper Mattsson, the Swedish international who made 1 single appearance for Sweden in 1995. I am confused about your timeline... Mattsson was born in April 1968 - you said you recommended them to Town in the mid 90's, in 1995 Mattsson was 27 and made his single appearance for Sweden against Iceland on June 1st that year. So did he become an international or was he already an international? Now you flew with Jackson and Yorath who took over in Oct 1997, in Rubery's plane who took over at Town in Jan 1999 to view the player (who WAS an international at this stage). He joined his final club Nottingham Forest (after a trial) a month earlier on Dec 10th 1998 at 31 for £300k. He made 5 starts and 1 sub appearance for Forest before retiring - I think we got off lucky there Who were the other 4? - I love a bit of detective work Brilliant piece of work Doc. Well done. Anyone who thinks otium has ever left his padded room might need one themselves
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Oct 6, 2015 13:46:38 GMT 1
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Post by Marco4 on Oct 6, 2015 13:46:38 GMT 1
I think its a case of desperately needing to be 'proved right'. So for example a poster doesn't like a managerial appointment, he then goes on a campaign to be proved right- ignoring anything positive, exaggerating anything negative. Could be about a particular player, or DHs running of the club, or the academy or anything else or a combination of them all. Everything said has to fit into that agenda of 'told you so- i was right all along' , even if it means posting endless Huddersfield Town-hating drivel about a club they probably love deep down. The football forum in general has given a platform to every Gary Neville wannabe. Everyone now wants to show off their football knowledge in the hope that being a football aficionado will validates their (sometimes invisible) existence... 'I'm a football expert therefore I am'. Being proved right is their raison d'etre even at the expense of getting behind their football team and actually enjoying themselves. It goes hand in hand with the fear of not knowing. Imagine being linked with a player that you'd never heard of? The horror, the horror.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:55:27 GMT 1
The football forum in general has given a platform to every Gary Neville wannabe. Everyone now wants to show off their football knowledge in the hope that being a football aficionado will validates their (sometimes invisible) existence... 'I'm a football expert therefore I am'. Being proved right is their raison d'etre even at the expense of getting behind their football team and actually enjoying themselves. It goes hand in hand with the fear of not knowing. Imagine being linked with a player that you'd never heard of? The horror, the horror. That's easy, if some posters have not heard of a player we sign, they must be shit. See the reaction to Martin Cranie - "I don't know anything about him, he's not better than what we have".
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 6, 2015 15:04:33 GMT 1
It goes hand in hand with the fear of not knowing. Imagine being linked with a player that you'd never heard of? The horror, the horror. That's easy, if some posters have not heard of a player we sign, they must be shit. See the reaction to Martin Cranie - "I don't know anything about him, he's not better than what we have". Cranie proves what a lot of good value talent there is out there. Thought he did well at Wolves when he was obviously playing against someone a lot quicker than him - marshalled him well. I always think there must be some talented young centre halves in Div 1 & 2 that we ought to be looking to bring in.
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Oct 6, 2015 15:19:56 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 15:19:56 GMT 1
That's easy, if some posters have not heard of a player we sign, they must be shit. See the reaction to Martin Cranie - "I don't know anything about him, he's not better than what we have". Cranie proves what a lot of good value talent there is out there. Thought he did well at Wolves when he was obviously playing against someone a lot quicker than him - marshalled him well. I always think there must be some talented young centre halves in Div 1 & 2 that we ought to be looking to bring in. Yeah, he's looked good every time I've seen him. I did worry about Cranie on Saturday when he picked up an early yellow against their winger, but he seemed to keep him quiet after that. Proving to be a very shrewd signing. Also shows the benefit of having a player train with us for a while to make a better assessment, although that is rarely possible. The idea anyone could have an opinion on a player they've never seen or heard of is baffling to me.
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Oct 6, 2015 15:51:14 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 6, 2015 15:51:14 GMT 1
Cranie proves what a lot of good value talent there is out there. Thought he did well at Wolves when he was obviously playing against someone a lot quicker than him - marshalled him well. I always think there must be some talented young centre halves in Div 1 & 2 that we ought to be looking to bring in. Yeah, he's looked good every time I've seen him. I did worry about Cranie on Saturday when he picked up an early yellow against their winger, but he seemed to keep him quiet after that. Proving to be a very shrewd signing. Also shows the benefit of having a player train with us for a while to make a better assessment, although that is rarely possible. The idea anyone could have an opinion on a player they've never seen or heard of is baffling to me. Only regret with him is that maybe its affecting Scannell's game a bit. Scannell is still dropping back well but it looks like Cranie has been told to concentrate on defending - not a bad thing I suppose. Davidson seems to bomb forward at will whereas Cranie does it sparingly/selectively. I was a full back who used to get forward selectively - usually too knackered to stray too far towards the other end. Not saying Cranie is knackered but I do admire Davidson's fitness levels - if not much else after Saturday.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2015 18:40:42 GMT 1
As i posted on here in the past. In the mid 1990's i recommended 5 Swedish players to Huddersfield Town when i lived there, all were cheap, all 5 became internationals. The club itself has not produced 5 internationals in my lifetime. I think i know about football...as clearly most on here do. How on Earth is this current team better than any of the recent few years? Why does Slapps think they are a good, competitive team when i have not seen a single great performance in over 3 years? Captainclapper...thats why. ps Went to the Lebowski bar in Reykjavik, most bizarre and themed on the movie. Our first poor performance....and i speak bunkum. It was pitiful. The club did follow me up, Jackson and Yorath flew out and met me on Ruberys plane and took Mattsson on trial. 3 years of complete shite but of course we are a top team. Have we beaten a single one in that time? Right - thanks for being specific Jesper Mattsson, the Swedish international who made 1 single appearance for Sweden in 1995. I am confused about your timeline... Mattsson was born in April 1968 - you said you recommended them to Town in the mid 90's, in 1995 Mattsson was 27 and made his single appearance for Sweden against Iceland on June 1st that year. So did he become an international or was he already an international? Now you flew with Jackson and Yorath who took over in Oct 1997, in Rubery's plane who took over at Town in Jan 1999 to view the player (who WAS an international at this stage). He joined his final club Nottingham Forest (after a trial) a month earlier on Dec 10th 1998 at 31 for £300k. He made 5 starts and 1 sub appearance for Forest before retiring - I think we got off lucky there Who were the other 4? - I love a bit of detective work Congratulations mate. You are now the proud owner of an Otium.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:44:49 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 6, 2015 20:44:49 GMT 1
I think its a case of desperately needing to be 'proved right'. So for example a poster doesn't like a managerial appointment, he then goes on a campaign to be proved right- ignoring anything positive, exaggerating anything negative. Could be about a particular player, or DHs running of the club, or the academy or anything else or a combination of them all. Everything said has to fit into that agenda of 'told you so- i was right all along' , even if it means posting endless Huddersfield Town-hating drivel about a club they probably love deep down. The football forum in general has given a platform to every Gary Neville wannabe. Everyone now wants to show off their football knowledge in the hope that being a football aficionado will validates their (sometimes invisible) existence... 'I'm a football expert therefore I am'. Being proved right is their raison d'etre even at the expense of getting behind their football team and actually enjoying themselves. Whenever I need a chuckle I dig out "the vardy files "... each and every one DATM bullion
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Oct 6, 2015 23:26:25 GMT 1
Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 6, 2015 23:26:25 GMT 1
As i posted on here in the past. In the mid 1990's i recommended 5 Swedish players to Huddersfield Town when i lived there, all were cheap, all 5 became internationals. The club itself has not produced 5 internationals in my lifetime. I think i know about football...as clearly most on here do. How on Earth is this current team better than any of the recent few years? Why does Slapps think they are a good, competitive team when i have not seen a single great performance in over 3 years? Captainclapper...thats why. ps Went to the Lebowski bar in Reykjavik, most bizarre and themed on the movie. Our first poor performance....and i speak bunkum. It was pitiful. The club did follow me up, Jackson and Yorath flew out and met me on Ruberys plane and took Mattsson on trial. 3 years of complete shite but of course we are a top team. Have we beaten a single one in that time? Right - thanks for being specific Jesper Mattsson, the Swedish international who made 1 single appearance for Sweden in 1995. I am confused about your timeline... Mattsson was born in April 1968 - you said you recommended them to Town in the mid 90's, in 1995 Mattsson was 27 and made his single appearance for Sweden against Iceland on June 1st that year. So did he become an international or was he already an international? Now you flew with Jackson and Yorath who took over in Oct 1997, in Rubery's plane who took over at Town in Jan 1999 to view the player (who WAS an international at this stage). He joined his final club Nottingham Forest (after a trial) a month earlier on Dec 10th 1998 at 31 for £300k. He made 5 starts and 1 sub appearance for Forest before retiring - I think we got off lucky there Who were the other 4? - I love a bit of detective work There was Niklas Gudmundsson, Petur Marteinnsson, Freddie Lungberg, Artim Sakiri (although he was already an International if unknown) and a red headed midfielder who name eludes me just now....Mikael? Possibly more players but its some time ago. Mattson ruptured his spleen and was forced to retire. Jackson wanted him but Rubery refused to pay the 250k.
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Oct 6, 2015 23:30:52 GMT 1
Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 6, 2015 23:30:52 GMT 1
In your lifetime you say? Bob McNab Dick Krzywicki Ray Mielczarek Erank Worthington Trevor Cherry Mielczarek. One cap for Wales in a friendly? In 1971! Not produced by Town and just 26 appearances. Krzywicki 8 caps for Wales. Not produced by Town and just 47 appearances. Last appearance for Wales in 1971. McNab, 4 Engalnd appearences...the 1st was 2 years after he left Town. Also Worthington got his caps two years after leaving Town and Cherry 4 years after leaving. So that leaves us with just 9 caps for Wales whilst at Town, when Wales were at their lowest ebb.
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Oct 6, 2015 23:38:05 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2015 23:38:05 GMT 1
So its caps whilst at Town we're counting? Well its amazing that a club thats spent nearly all of the past 50 years in the lower divisions hasn't had more England internationals in our starting XI I must say!
What about that time you tried to get Tom Johnstone to sign up that young argentinian kid called Diego something or other?
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Oct 6, 2015 23:44:21 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 23:44:21 GMT 1
Mielczarek. One cap for Wales in a friendly? In 1971! Not produced by Town and just 26 appearances. Krzywicki 8 caps for Wales. Not produced by Town and just 47 appearances. Last appearance for Wales in 1971. McNab, 4 Engalnd appearences...the 1st was 2 years after he left Town. Also Worthington got his caps two years after leaving Town and Cherry 4 years after leaving. So that leaves us with just 9 caps for Wales whilst at Town, when Wales were at their lowest ebb. So we didn't produce McNab, Cherry, Worthington and by that reasoning Law either? Can I have Wilson, not in your lifetime admittedly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 0:00:37 GMT 1
So its caps whilst at Town we're counting? Well its amazing that a club thats spent nearly all of the past 50 years in the lower divisions hasn't had more England internationals in our starting XI I must say! What about that time you tried to get Tom Johnstone to sign up that young argentinian kid called Diego something or other? He is known for moving the goalposts Captain.
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Oct 7, 2015 0:45:43 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2015 0:45:43 GMT 1
Also Worthington got his caps two years after leaving Town and Cherry 4 years after leaving. So that leaves us with just 9 caps for Wales whilst at Town, when Wales were at their lowest ebb. So we didn't produce McNab, Cherry, Worthington and by that reasoning Law either? Can I have Wilson, not in your lifetime admittedly. Mike O,Grady.
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Oct 7, 2015 1:27:30 GMT 1
Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 7, 2015 1:27:30 GMT 1
Also Worthington got his caps two years after leaving Town and Cherry 4 years after leaving. So that leaves us with just 9 caps for Wales whilst at Town, when Wales were at their lowest ebb. So we didn't produce McNab, Cherry, Worthington and by that reasoning Law either? Can I have Wilson, not in your lifetime admittedly. I am 53 Codds...i think i saw Worthington and Cherry 3 or 4 times. Not McNab or Wilson....my lifetime of watching Town i supposed i meant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 7:38:43 GMT 1
So we didn't produce McNab, Cherry, Worthington and by that reasoning Law either? Can I have Wilson, not in your lifetime admittedly. Mike O,Grady. Another one, however the goalposts have moved so far now I've lost them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 9:21:15 GMT 1
So its caps whilst at Town we're counting? Well its amazing that a club thats spent nearly all of the past 50 years in the lower divisions hasn't had more England internationals in our starting XI I must say! What about that time you tried to get Tom Johnstone to sign up that young argentinian kid called Diego something or other? Poyet?? Timeline wrong surely!?
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Oct 7, 2015 12:00:25 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2015 12:00:25 GMT 1
Mick Megan deserves a mention?
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Oct 7, 2015 12:22:41 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 12:22:41 GMT 1
Mick Megan deserves a mention? In that case so does Jimmy Nicholson.
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Oct 7, 2015 12:44:11 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2015 12:44:11 GMT 1
Mick Megan deserves a mention? In that case so does Jimmy Nicholson. I assumed he'd been mentioned already. Boothy turned out for the U21's and perhaps even Steadhino? Marcus Stewart was very close to selection - but that was when Ipswich were near the top of the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 12:56:12 GMT 1
We seemed to go through a period where there were lots of youth international call ups that dropped away once into u21s and seniors.
Why would that be? Is that same with all clubs of our level, but the squads do typically seem quite closed rather than scatter gun getting a look at everyone to identify those who will go on to play full internationals.
I'm thinking Michael Collins, Alex Smithies, and lots more.
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Oct 7, 2015 14:09:28 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2015 14:09:28 GMT 1
We seemed to go through a period where there were lots of youth international call ups that dropped away once into u21s and seniors. Why would that be? Is that same with all clubs of our level, but the squads do typically seem quite closed rather than scatter gun getting a look at everyone to identify those who will go on to play full internationals. I'm thinking Michael Collins, Alex Smithies, and lots more. It used to the the U23's when Mike O'Grady first got picked!
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Oct 7, 2015 14:18:45 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 14:18:45 GMT 1
We seemed to go through a period where there were lots of youth international call ups that dropped away once into u21s and seniors. Why would that be? Is that same with all clubs of our level, but the squads do typically seem quite closed rather than scatter gun getting a look at everyone to identify those who will go on to play full internationals. I'm thinking Michael Collins, Alex Smithies, and lots more. It used to the the U23's when Mike O'Grady first got picked! The name's O'Grady.....Mike O'Grady. LINK
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Oct 7, 2015 14:53:17 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2015 14:53:17 GMT 1
It used to the the U23's when Mike O'Grady first got picked! The name's O'Grady.....Mike O'Grady. LINKThanks - great read. Dr No was considered too mucky for me to go and watch. I'd forgotten that he scored twice on his debut, or that Mike Hellawell was in the same squad. I was at Norwich when he scored his hat trick. We were on our holidays in Great Yarmouth (night bus from Heckmondwike) and my Dad took me over - probably my first mid week, night match under floodlights. We were most likely the only Town fans there!
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Oct 7, 2015 15:32:18 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 15:32:18 GMT 1
The name's O'Grady.....Mike O'Grady. LINKThanks - great read. Dr No was considered too mucky for me to go and watch. I'd forgotten that he scored twice on his debut, or that Mike Hellawell was in the same squad. I was at Norwich when he scored his hat trick. We were on our holidays in Great Yarmouth (night bus from Heckmondwike) and my Dad took me over - probably my first mid week, night match under floodlights. We were most likely the only Town fans there! As a 17 year old I had no problem going to see that film lol. Seeing Jimmy Mcilroys name brings back memories from a couple of years earlier, Town must have been somewhere down south when I decided to get my football fix. Took a trip over to Burnley to watch West Ham and got chatting to a couple of Burnley fans, said I was looking forward to watching Jimmy Mac. One of them said "he's there" and ran 50 yards up the road to him saying "Jimmy, this guys come all the way from Huddersfield to watch you" a short chat later and Jimmys autograph gotten. Happy days..
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Oct 7, 2015 15:45:00 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2015 15:45:00 GMT 1
Thanks - great read. Dr No was considered too mucky for me to go and watch. I'd forgotten that he scored twice on his debut, or that Mike Hellawell was in the same squad. I was at Norwich when he scored his hat trick. We were on our holidays in Great Yarmouth (night bus from Heckmondwike) and my Dad took me over - probably my first mid week, night match under floodlights. We were most likely the only Town fans there! As a 17 year old I had no problem going to see that film lol. Seeing Jimmy Mcilroys name brings back memories from a couple of years earlier, Town must have been somewhere down south when I decided to get my football fix. Took a trip over to Burnley to watch West Ham and got chatting to a couple of Burnley fans, said I was looking forward to watching Jimmy Mac. One of them said "he's there" and ran 50 yards up the road to him saying "Jimmy, this guys come all the way from Huddersfield to watch you" a short chat later and Jimmys autograph gotten. Happy days.. Good player as well Jimmy Mac. Ray Pointer was my favourite Burnley player of the time. Fabulous haircut I tried to copy once. For someone with a haircut like that - he was quite a hard (dirty) bugger.
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