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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2015 12:08:29 GMT 1
Disagree with that totally. james was FAR stronger defensively IMO ( and obviously FAR better going the other way ). Agree though that £800k wasn't realistic for us to spend on a left back. Not before selling Butterfield, Coady and Smithies especially. I remember James getting taken apart in a number of his games - Forest away (where we had to move Smith over to left back, as James was struggling so much) and Derby at home being prime examples. Granted Davidson's errors have cost us more goals and he's got a lot to do to prove he can play at this level, but I just thought James was weak defensively and his set piece delivery didn't make up for it. We can only comment on the games we saw, but i don't remember anything other than being really impressed by the lad each time i saw him. Technically very good, good accurate passing, good overlapping runs and crosses. Decent pace. Good set piece delivery and decent enough defensively. Just a much better player all round than Davidson, whos had one or two decent games but overall has looked weak in various aspects of the full back role. If we're going to play this high pressing style Wagner hints at, i think it'll be curtains for Davidson and Hudson, for no other reason that both are slow and vulnerable to pace, which id guess is something you can't be playing that style.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 13, 2015 12:54:11 GMT 1
Smith had a blinder in that game at Forest - stubbing out Antonio. I thought he moved across because Antonio did? I can vaguely remember James having a poor game. Nahki missed another gobber at the end. Good win though. I seem to remember Antonio got subbed off. Also think it was Ish that missed the sitter after being set up by Gobern, I could be wrong on both though. Was a good performance and win. Maybe they both did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 12:59:48 GMT 1
I seem to remember Antonio got subbed off. Also think it was Ish that missed the sitter after being set up by Gobern, I could be wrong on both though. Was a good performance and win. Maybe they both did. Very possible. Looking it up, Wells was substituted after 78 minutes, think he's off the hook on this one. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32180190
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 13:01:00 GMT 1
I remember James getting taken apart in a number of his games - Forest away (where we had to move Smith over to left back, as James was struggling so much) and Derby at home being prime examples. Granted Davidson's errors have cost us more goals and he's got a lot to do to prove he can play at this level, but I just thought James was weak defensively and his set piece delivery didn't make up for it. We can only comment on the games we saw, but i don't remember anything other than being really impressed by the lad each time i saw him. Technically very good, good accurate passing, good overlapping runs and crosses. Decent pace. Good set piece delivery and decent enough defensively. Just a much better player all round than Davidson, whos had one or two decent games but overall has looked weak in various aspects of the full back role. If we're going to play this high pressing style Wagner hints at, i think it'll be curtains for Davidson and Hudson, for no other reason that both are slow and vulnerable to pace, which id guess is something you can't be playing that style. But this style also requires being able to pass the ball and not just lump it which rules Wallace out. Can't believe how uncomfortable he looks on the ball and has an awful habit of lining his body up with the stand and then looking suprised when his pass ends up in someones lap in Row A
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 13, 2015 13:09:24 GMT 1
Maybe he was subbed just after missing one! I remember thinking if he had got that - we would be able to relax for the last 15 mins - a rare luxury. Most Town games when we are one up close to the end - my thinking is always - we might end up with a draw!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 13:40:33 GMT 1
We can only comment on the games we saw, but i don't remember anything other than being really impressed by the lad each time i saw him. Technically very good, good accurate passing, good overlapping runs and crosses. Decent pace. Good set piece delivery and decent enough defensively. Just a much better player all round than Davidson, whos had one or two decent games but overall has looked weak in various aspects of the full back role. If we're going to play this high pressing style Wagner hints at, i think it'll be curtains for Davidson and Hudson, for no other reason that both are slow and vulnerable to pace, which id guess is something you can't be playing that style. But this style also requires being able to pass the ball and not just lump it which rules Wallace out. Can't believe how uncomfortable he looks on the ball and has an awful habit of lining his body up with the stand and then looking suprised when his pass ends up in someones lap in Row A
And I reckon Wallace will be one of the ones to shine under Wagners tutelage.
Key player by the seasons end imo.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 13, 2015 13:42:23 GMT 1
But this style also requires being able to pass the ball and not just lump it which rules Wallace out. Can't believe how uncomfortable he looks on the ball and has an awful habit of lining his body up with the stand and then looking suprised when his pass ends up in someones lap in Row A
And I reckon Wallace will be one of the ones to shine under Wagners tutelage.
Key player by the seasons end imo.
It's amazing all these sows ears who are going to be transformed into silk purses ! Bring it on I say
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2015 14:19:19 GMT 1
wallaces passing isn't great in any way, but its still better than Hudsons IMO. Plus hes better in the air and although not quick, hes a damned sight faster too ( who isn't?) , so hed be above Hudson in the pecking order all day long for me.
The only thing Hudsons got on him is the positional strength that comes with experience, but even there it doesn't stop Hudson being more likely to make a costly gaff.
But ultimately we need a new centre back to partner Lynch- one with pace ( key ) and strong in the air ( cos Lynch isn't really) .
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Post by htfc63 on Nov 13, 2015 16:52:20 GMT 1
nt , Steve Kindon Terrior yes that's Senior. He is not the finished article however he is progressing well and under the new regime should develop. I still think his awareness and mobility is better than Davidson and who know s we may see him coming through sooner rather than later as it cannot be ignored how weak we are in that position.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 18:39:05 GMT 1
nt , Steve Kindon Terrior yes that's Senior. He is not the finished article however he is progressing well and under the new regime should develop. I still think his awareness and mobility is better than Davidson and who know s we may see him coming through sooner rather than later as it cannot be ignored how weak we are in that position. The shame is that we've not had Senior and Davidson working side by side in Spain all week under close scrutiny...and away from the "right, we're preparing for the next match" regular training regime they'll slot into next week. It may be that Davidson gets the benefit of the doubt and retains his position (and it may well be that he's better than the young lad is at the moment (or indeed, ever), anyway).
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Post by terrierpark on Nov 13, 2015 19:27:26 GMT 1
Why hasnt Deano sacked the scouts who are recommending all these crap players we keep signing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 20:01:23 GMT 1
Why hasnt Deano sacked the scouts who are recommending all these crap players we keep signing. Because we keep signing good ones in amongst, to the extent that we've made more cash in the transfer market under Deans tenure than the entire rest of the history of Hudds Town added together.
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Post by ringdisco on Nov 13, 2015 20:16:27 GMT 1
Why hasnt Deano sacked the scouts who are recommending all these crap players we keep signing. Because we keep signing good ones in amongst, to the extent that we've made more cash in the transfer market under Deans tenure than the entire rest of the history of Hudds Town added together. Just throwing inflation out of the window, are we?
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 13, 2015 20:28:54 GMT 1
Yes, i can't believe we don't get every signing right. Booooooooo dean Hoyle,,,Booooooooooooooo!
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 13, 2015 20:39:08 GMT 1
Yes, i can't believe we don't get every signing right. Booooooooo dean Hoyle,,,Booooooooooooooo! Says the first man to slag of Lee Clark for his poorer signings.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Nov 13, 2015 21:19:13 GMT 1
Jason 'the only international at the club' Davidson.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 22:13:56 GMT 1
Jason 'the only international at the club' Davidson. Jason "I take all the free kicks" Davidson.
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Post by royrace on Nov 14, 2015 0:46:47 GMT 1
wallaces passing isn't great in any way, but its still better than Hudsons IMO. Plus hes better in the air and although not quick, hes a damned sight faster too ( who isn't?) , so hed be above Hudson in the pecking order all day long for me. The only thing Hudsons got on him is the positional strength that comes with experience, but even there it doesn't stop Hudson being more likely to make a costly gaff. But ultimately we need a new centre back to partner Lynch- one with pace ( key ) and strong in the air ( cos Lynch isn't really) . Disagree, Hudson is plenty good enough for where we are and his leadership is invaluable at the back. To more or less say Wallace is a better player than Hudson is just silly...and I'm a fan of Wallace. You seem to have a strange taste in centre backs that's for sure, I guess nobody will ever fill gezzas boots eh Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Yorkie on Nov 14, 2015 0:55:32 GMT 1
Jason 'the only international at the club' Davidson. Jason "Emyr Huws" Davidson.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 14, 2015 1:20:08 GMT 1
Jason 'the only international at the club' Davidson. Jason "Emyr Huws" Davidson. Nahki "Jason (Emyr Huws) Davidson" Wells.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 14, 2015 1:52:52 GMT 1
wallaces passing isn't great in any way, but its still better than Hudsons IMO. Plus hes better in the air and although not quick, hes a damned sight faster too ( who isn't?) , so hed be above Hudson in the pecking order all day long for me. The only thing Hudsons got on him is the positional strength that comes with experience, but even there it doesn't stop Hudson being more likely to make a costly gaff. But ultimately we need a new centre back to partner Lynch- one with pace ( key ) and strong in the air ( cos Lynch isn't really) . Disagree, Hudson is plenty good enough for where we are and his leadership is invaluable at the back. To more or less say Wallace is a better player than Hudson is just silly...and I'm a fan of Wallace. You seem to have a strange taste in centre backs that's for sure, I guess nobody will ever fill gezzas boots eh Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Its opinion isn't it. Wallace is faster than Hudson, stronger in the air and uses the ball better. Don't think its silly to say hes a better player than Hudson at all. He is IMO. I also don't see much evidence of this invaluable leadership at the back you think Hudson gives. The sooner hes dropped and Whitehead is captain the better IMO, because Hudson isn't a championship standard player anymore. And why do i have a strange taste in centre backs? I like good ones, thats all.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 14, 2015 9:47:51 GMT 1
nt , Steve Kindon Terrior yes that's Senior. He is not the finished article however he is progressing well and under the new regime should develop. I still think his awareness and mobility is better than Davidson and who know s we may see him coming through sooner rather than later as it cannot be ignored how weak we are in that position. The shame is that we've not had Senior and Davidson working side by side in Spain all week under close scrutiny...and away from the "right, we're preparing for the next match" regular training regime they'll slot into next week. It may be that Davidson gets the benefit of the doubt and retains his position (and it may well be that he's better than the young lad is at the moment (or indeed, ever), anyway). judgment reserved on Davidson for me. hardly played for a year, then ever present for us in a tough league, traipsing round the world playing for Oz and a new father.....can't have been easy. I think he may benefit from not playing for Oz this week and a good solid few days under the new regime ahead of wed.folks get written off on here far too quickly.......the likes of jepson, Marsden, scanz only flourished after initial poor spells. As for Hudson......been a poor signing for me. Clearly a good player at this level in the past and has had some good games for us, but not the fatherly impact we all hoped and he's been here more than a year now. he's better than Wallace though.
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Post by philincalifornia on Nov 17, 2015 6:35:36 GMT 1
I have a sneaking feeling that Wagner can turn him into a good player for us.
I may have had too much wine tonight though.
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Post by jqhtfc on Nov 17, 2015 9:23:28 GMT 1
Don't think it will be long before jack senior gets a game.
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 17, 2015 9:33:55 GMT 1
I have a sneaking feeling that Wagner can turn him into a good player for us. I may have had too much wine tonight though. About the wine, Phil ... was it water and Wagner turned it into wine? If so, you may be right
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 9:58:46 GMT 1
Don't think it will be long before jack senior gets a game. The comments from him on Radio Leeds today (or yesterday, can't remember which) make me think he feels a lot closer to the first team now than he did a couple of weeks back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 11:23:09 GMT 1
I remember James getting taken apart in a number of his games - Forest away (where we had to move Smith over to left back, as James was struggling so much) and Derby at home being prime examples. Granted Davidson's errors have cost us more goals and he's got a lot to do to prove he can play at this level, but I just thought James was weak defensively and his set piece delivery didn't make up for it. We can only comment on the games we saw, but i don't remember anything other than being really impressed by the lad each time i saw him. Technically very good, good accurate passing, good overlapping runs and crosses. Decent pace. Good set piece delivery and decent enough defensively. Just a much better player all round than Davidson, whos had one or two decent games but overall has looked weak in various aspects of the full back role. If we're going to play this high pressing style Wagner hints at, i think it'll be curtains for Davidson and Hudson, for no other reason that both are slow and vulnerable to pace, which id guess is something you can't be playing that style. They are the 2 weakest starting players we've got no matter what system is played. Particularly a high pressing one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 11:28:46 GMT 1
Disagree, Hudson is plenty good enough for where we are and his leadership is invaluable at the back. To more or less say Wallace is a better player than Hudson is just silly...and I'm a fan of Wallace. You seem to have a strange taste in centre backs that's for sure, I guess nobody will ever fill gezzas boots eh Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Its opinion isn't it. Wallace is faster than Hudson, stronger in the air and uses the ball better. Don't think its silly to say hes a better player than Hudson at all. He is IMO. I also don't see much evidence of this invaluable leadership at the back you think Hudson gives. The sooner hes dropped and Whitehead is captain the better IMO, because Hudson isn't a championship standard player anymore. And why do i have a strange taste in centre backs? I like good ones, thats all. We had our disagreements over Gerrard but I'm totally with you on this one Captain Slapperface.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 15:45:54 GMT 1
Played from the bench on the hour in Bangladesh today.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 17, 2015 18:17:22 GMT 1
Re Hudson I have to say that if we are to believe that Wagner is going to be pushing for a system that relies heavily on pace and fitness and the team being able to quickly press forward and drop back then someone of Hudson's mobility doesn't fit in unless they have some really strong additional qualities, I'm not sure Hudson has shown particularly outstanding leadership qualities. Davidson, well I reserved judgement. Saw him at Barnsley in pre season friendly and didn't think he looked too good, but then nether did Whitehead. You have to give players a chance to develop into their role. I haven't seen the improvement in Davidson that has been clear in Whitehead. I'll admit a lot of this is from highlights, not got to many games. I recall posting thoughts a while back wondering if a combo of Davidson and Carayol was maybe too attacking and it could cost us goals. As folks were on an anti-Powell negative set up tirade it didn't go down well, yet only a few games later folks were posting that Carayol shouldn't be even playing. I just don't think Davidson's been a good defender, gets caught out of position too much and unless there is someone else prepared to cover for him it leaves gaps that good teams pick up and exploit. Maybe the new system will suit him better and it'll work out in his favour so I'm still hoping he's still got something to give.
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