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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 9, 2016 3:23:27 GMT 1
I am sorry, but when i see a massive post, I just skip past it, unless its written by cheesy, in which case, i go get a glass of wine and settle in for a good read.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 9, 2016 20:40:11 GMT 1
My question very accurately reflects what happened.
One option is exactly what happened Not my account of it , but the manager's. He was very open and honest about it. He explained it very simply.You have the right to disagree with it if you want, but to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan. No it isnt exactly what happened because we do not know exactly what happened. 1. We do not know the amount of cash given /available to DW....we were told it was considerable. 2. We do not know who the targets were 3. We do not know how much we bid or how much the other team wanted for said player. 4. Therfore if you believe point 1, and you knowyou have to do your reinforcing in the Jan window you expect to pay the going rate. 5. The fact that said players are available on frees in the summer will have heavily affected our bid and clouded our judgement to some extent because strengthening the team is a clear and present requirement. DW merely summarised the result of our enquiries as no detail what so ever was given. AS a summary yes its accurate. Your next statement "to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan"........ summs you up perfectly. Who appointed you judge and jury? I am not calling DW a liar he summed it up correctly but omitted the detail. Why shouldnt i know how much we offered and how much they wanted and make my own mind up. KNOWLEDGE empowers people and helps provide integrity . To assume otherwise is crap. You can post as many times as you like but you will not win the argument. I repeat the right thing to do was get the players in So its as simple as that? You have a very child-like appreciation of it all IMO.YES YES YES IT IS...IF WE HAD THE FUNDS AND THEY WERE CONSIDERABLE THEN YES. I didnt want to pay x for my car i would far rather have paid y but i am not catching the bus as a result I think it is more than reasonable to suggest that DW and DH probably had a conversation about how much we offered, how much they wanted and how much it would take , and it was decided ultimately not to strengthen and make do and to effectively gamble that we will be safe and stay up. Personally id rather appreciate that the money was there to spend ( so not spurt out melodramatic bullshit about 'being deceived', which our owner doesn't deserve in the slightest as its insulting to him as both an honourable man and as a club owner who's personally propped this club up financially for years and dragged it out of the shit heap it was in back in 2008 ) and id rather put my trust in wagner, who is in the process of transforming our side's standard of play in a positive way and has a lot of faith in the players he currently has this season and the confidence that he will get the players he ACTUALLY WANTS in a few months timeOf course i appreciate that there was money to spend it was expected, promised and eagerly anticipated. With the amounts raised this season why shouldnt there be when there is a current need to do so? The team is propped up with loan players from front to back and has seen no real team building since promotion. We have to sell our better players (yes i know so please dont use your usual tale of us been ranked with real madrid in my eyes), so team building is difficult and even more so now this coming summer...a point you ignore! Yes DH dragged us from the also rans and despite the considerable transfer fess raised still covers the losses each season, yes i know although when this seasons accounts are published we should be if anything in profit esp with the jr sell on funds. But there are times that you have to spend money and i believe we needed to you clearly dont. It is unfortunate perhaps that i used the word deceived. On reflection i should have entitled the thread "mistake to gamble" I do like Wagner i agree with what you say about him but because no players were named we wont know if he gets his targets in the summer. Usually there is a plan b we might have to switch to , nothing is certain. Id rather do both those things than pay any credence to the infantile tantrums and demands of someone who spends his days endlessly slagging off my football club and its owner whilst its actually in one of its best spells of the last 40 odd years and thinks that somehow amounts to being a good supporter.Its as much my Club as yours! Your defintion of a supporter is someone who cant think for themselves, always believes what he is told and generally has nothing negative at all to say. Yeah i have been negative in a hell of alot of my posts over the years, because i feel we should be doing better and to be quite frank there has been quite alot to berate debate and argue about on guess what a forum ! I am not outside the ground with a placard! I am much more optimistic now we have DW and witnessing the turn around on the pitch than i have been in years. Lots of posters have noticed that and we seem to have a genuine chance of actual progress with this fella not your kind of progress you know the same kind of season poor but 1 place higher in the league that you bang on about. Not that ,the progress we can at last both actually see with our own eyes. I just hope that our innaction hasnt hampered that and put us in danger.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 9, 2016 21:16:52 GMT 1
It was Wagner who thought / knew we would be ok for this season and elected to not splash the cash . Dean had made it available
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Post by wtd on Feb 9, 2016 21:17:46 GMT 1
My question very accurately reflects what happened.
One option is exactly what happened Not my account of it , but the manager's. He was very open and honest about it. He explained it very simply.You have the right to disagree with it if you want, but to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan. No it isnt exactly what happened because we do not know exactly what happened. 1. We do not know the amount of cash given /available to DW....we were told it was considerable. 2. We do not know who the targets were 3. We do not know how much we bid or how much the other team wanted for said player. 4. Therfore if you believe point 1, and you knowyou have to do your reinforcing in the Jan window you expect to pay the going rate. 5. The fact that said players are available on frees in the summer will have heavily affected our bid and clouded our judgement to some extent because strengthening the team is a clear and present requirement. DW merely summarised the result of our enquiries as no detail what so ever was given. AS a summary yes its accurate. Your next statement "to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan"........ summs you up perfectly. Who appointed you judge and jury? I am not calling DW a liar he summed it up correctly but omitted the detail. Why shouldnt i know how much we offered and how much they wanted and make my own mind up. KNOWLEDGE empowers people and helps provide integrity . To assume otherwise is crap. You can post as many times as you like but you will not win the argument. I repeat the right thing to do was get the players in So its as simple as that? You have a very child-like appreciation of it all IMO.YES YES YES IT IS...IF WE HAD THE FUNDS AND THEY WERE CONSIDERABLE THEN YES. I didnt want to pay x for my car i would far rather have paid y but i am not catching the bus as a result I think it is more than reasonable to suggest that DW and DH probably had a conversation about how much we offered, how much they wanted and how much it would take , and it was decided ultimately not to strengthen and make do and to effectively gamble that we will be safe and stay up. Personally id rather appreciate that the money was there to spend ( so not spurt out melodramatic bullshit about 'being deceived', which our owner doesn't deserve in the slightest as its insulting to him as both an honourable man and as a club owner who's personally propped this club up financially for years and dragged it out of the shit heap it was in back in 2008 ) and id rather put my trust in wagner, who is in the process of transforming our side's standard of play in a positive way and has a lot of faith in the players he currently has this season and the confidence that he will get the players he ACTUALLY WANTS in a few months timeOf course i appreciate that there was money to spend it was expected, promised and eagerly anticipated. With the amounts raised this season why shouldnt there be when there is a current need to do so? The team is propped up with loan players from front to back and has seen no real team building since promotion. We have to sell our better players (yes i know so please dont use your usual tale of us been ranked with real madrid in my eyes), so team building is difficult and even more so now this coming summer...a point you ignore! Yes DH dragged us from the also rans and despite the considerable transfer fess raised still covers the losses each season, yes i know although when this seasons accounts are published we should be if anything in profit esp with the jr sell on funds. But there are times that you have to spend money and i believe we needed to you clearly dont. It is unfortunate perhaps that i used the word deceived. On reflection i should have entitled the thread "mistake to gamble" I do like Wagner i agree with what you say about him but because no players were named we wont know if he gets his targets in the summer. Usually there is a plan b we might have to switch to , nothing is certain. Id rather do both those things than pay any credence to the infantile tantrums and demands of someone who spends his days endlessly slagging off my football club and its owner whilst its actually in one of its best spells of the last 40 odd years and thinks that somehow amounts to being a good supporter.Its as much my Club as yours! Your defintion of a supporter is someone who cant think for themselves, always believes what he is told and generally has nothing negative at all to say. Yeah i have been negative in a hell of alot of my posts over the years, because i feel we should be doing better and to be quite frank there has been quite alot to berate debate and argue about on guess what a forum ! I am not outside the ground with a placard! I am much more optimistic now we have DW and witnessing the turn around on the pitch than i have been in years. Lots of posters have noticed that and we seem to have a genuine chance of actual progress with this fella not your kind of progress you know the same kind of season poor but 1 place higher in the league that you bang on about. Not that ,the progress we can at last both actually see with our own eyes. I just hope that our innaction hasnt hampered that and put us in danger. Can anyone just give me a quick précis?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 21:48:36 GMT 1
My question very accurately reflects what happened.
One option is exactly what happened Not my account of it , but the manager's. He was very open and honest about it. He explained it very simply.You have the right to disagree with it if you want, but to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan. No it isnt exactly what happened because we do not know exactly what happened. 1. We do not know the amount of cash given /available to DW....we were told it was considerable. 2. We do not know who the targets were 3. We do not know how much we bid or how much the other team wanted for said player. 4. Therfore if you believe point 1, and you knowyou have to do your reinforcing in the Jan window you expect to pay the going rate. 5. The fact that said players are available on frees in the summer will have heavily affected our bid and clouded our judgement to some extent because strengthening the team is a clear and present requirement. DW merely summarised the result of our enquiries as no detail what so ever was given. AS a summary yes its accurate. Your next statement "to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan"........ summs you up perfectly. Who appointed you judge and jury? I am not calling DW a liar he summed it up correctly but omitted the detail. Why shouldnt i know how much we offered and how much they wanted and make my own mind up. KNOWLEDGE empowers people and helps provide integrity . To assume otherwise is crap. You can post as many times as you like but you will not win the argument. I repeat the right thing to do was get the players in So its as simple as that? You have a very child-like appreciation of it all IMO.YES YES YES IT IS...IF WE HAD THE FUNDS AND THEY WERE CONSIDERABLE THEN YES. I didnt want to pay x for my car i would far rather have paid y but i am not catching the bus as a result I think it is more than reasonable to suggest that DW and DH probably had a conversation about how much we offered, how much they wanted and how much it would take , and it was decided ultimately not to strengthen and make do and to effectively gamble that we will be safe and stay up. Personally id rather appreciate that the money was there to spend ( so not spurt out melodramatic bullshit about 'being deceived', which our owner doesn't deserve in the slightest as its insulting to him as both an honourable man and as a club owner who's personally propped this club up financially for years and dragged it out of the shit heap it was in back in 2008 ) and id rather put my trust in wagner, who is in the process of transforming our side's standard of play in a positive way and has a lot of faith in the players he currently has this season and the confidence that he will get the players he ACTUALLY WANTS in a few months timeOf course i appreciate that there was money to spend it was expected, promised and eagerly anticipated. With the amounts raised this season why shouldnt there be when there is a current need to do so? The team is propped up with loan players from front to back and has seen no real team building since promotion. We have to sell our better players (yes i know so please dont use your usual tale of us been ranked with real madrid in my eyes), so team building is difficult and even more so now this coming summer...a point you ignore! Yes DH dragged us from the also rans and despite the considerable transfer fess raised still covers the losses each season, yes i know although when this seasons accounts are published we should be if anything in profit esp with the jr sell on funds. But there are times that you have to spend money and i believe we needed to you clearly dont. It is unfortunate perhaps that i used the word deceived. On reflection i should have entitled the thread "mistake to gamble" I do like Wagner i agree with what you say about him but because no players were named we wont know if he gets his targets in the summer. Usually there is a plan b we might have to switch to , nothing is certain. Id rather do both those things than pay any credence to the infantile tantrums and demands of someone who spends his days endlessly slagging off my football club and its owner whilst its actually in one of its best spells of the last 40 odd years and thinks that somehow amounts to being a good supporter.Its as much my Club as yours! Your defintion of a supporter is someone who cant think for themselves, always believes what he is told and generally has nothing negative at all to say. Yeah i have been negative in a hell of alot of my posts over the years, because i feel we should be doing better and to be quite frank there has been quite alot to berate debate and argue about on guess what a forum ! I am not outside the ground with a placard! I am much more optimistic now we have DW and witnessing the turn around on the pitch than i have been in years. Lots of posters have noticed that and we seem to have a genuine chance of actual progress with this fella not your kind of progress you know the same kind of season poor but 1 place higher in the league that you bang on about. Not that ,the progress we can at last both actually see with our own eyes. I just hope that our innaction hasnt hampered that and put us in danger. A new tactic by terrier park - Strangulation of debate by longevity?
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 9, 2016 21:55:43 GMT 1
Even i feel its like deja vu pal, but the captain in his role as judge and jury will insist so i feel i have to but even i am sick of it now.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 10, 2016 1:33:11 GMT 1
I just skimmed through that as Im sick of it too and only really read what you think my definition of a supporter is. To be honest its just too silly to bother with. Ill leave you to carry on slagging the club and its owner off at every turn over things you don't understand or have any knowledge of and poring scorn on those who don't, if thats what you think supporting the club is about..
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 10, 2016 15:18:27 GMT 1
I just skimmed through that as Im sick of it too and only really read what you think my definition of a supporter is. To be honest its just too silly to bother with. Ill leave you to carry on slagging the club and its owner off at every turn over things you don't understand or have any knowledge of and poring scorn on those who don't, if thats what you think supporting the club is about.. I dont slag the club off at ever at every turn captain, but lets face it there has been lots to moan about, poor managers, poor football and a real sense of just been satisified with surviving. It upset many fans . Even DH himself recgnised there needed to be a change in style and outlook and move away from the " we cant compete line" to the " we will compete and do this our way". The appointment of DW was the start of this. DW has stated that when he signs his players it is because they will benefit the club for the long term. Let us therfore hope this signifies the start of actually building a team and not propping it up with loans left right and ctre. Especially ones we make no effort to sign or cant even afford to. When this happens i will be happy to join you in the satisfied club but to say i dont understand or have knowledge of issues is ridiculuous and rather an out dated tactic too. I reiterate i want Huddesfield Town to be the best they can be, because i care.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 10, 2016 15:47:23 GMT 1
I am waiting to see what happens after May. The whole thing rests on us being in this division. The scenario changes out of all proportion if we are not.
The club chose to go till May with just 2 additions.. you have to go with it if you support them.
To be honest, I might have said this once or twice before, its not who is playing for us more than how they play that has affected the results to a greater extent. This team now playing for the vast majority of the game in the way it can will get well enough points. This team coming and going and reverting to type defensively will struggle. Down to DW now..
as likely to beat forest as lose badly at MK.. 2 away draws and a home win would change the picture..its just very hard to call at the moment..
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Post by wtd on Feb 10, 2016 17:32:10 GMT 1
I just skimmed through that as Im sick of it too and only really read what you think my definition of a supporter is. To be honest its just too silly to bother with. Ill leave you to carry on slagging the club and its owner off at every turn over things you don't understand or have any knowledge of and poring scorn on those who don't, if thats what you think supporting the club is about.. I dont slag the club off at ever at every turn captain, but lets face it there has been lots to moan about, poor managers, poor football and a real sense of just been satisified with surviving. It upset many fans . Even DH himself recgnised there needed to be a change in style and outlook and move away from the " we cant compete line" to the " we will compete and do this our way". The appointment of DW was the start of this. DW has stated that when he signs his players it is because they will benefit the club for the long term. Let us therfore hope this signifies the start of actually building a team and not propping it up with loans left right and ctre. Especially ones we make no effort to sign or cant even afford to. When this happens i will be happy to join you in the satisfied club but to say i dont understand or have knowledge of issues is ridiculuous and rather an out dated tactic too. I reiterate i want Huddesfield Town to be the best they can be, because i care. Then you need to let him do it his way. Dean Hoyle 'cares' too. You should have a bit more faith.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 10, 2016 18:03:49 GMT 1
I dont slag the club off at ever at every turn captain, but lets face it there has been lots to moan about, poor managers, poor football and a real sense of just been satisified with surviving. It upset many fans . Even DH himself recgnised there needed to be a change in style and outlook and move away from the " we cant compete line" to the " we will compete and do this our way". The appointment of DW was the start of this. DW has stated that when he signs his players it is because they will benefit the club for the long term. Let us therfore hope this signifies the start of actually building a team and not propping it up with loans left right and ctre. Especially ones we make no effort to sign or cant even afford to. When this happens i will be happy to join you in the satisfied club but to say i dont understand or have knowledge of issues is ridiculuous and rather an out dated tactic too. I reiterate i want Huddesfield Town to be the best they can be, because i care. Then you need to let him do it his way. Dean Hoyle 'cares' too. You should have a bit more faith. Someone who spends his time creating this convoluted conspiracy riddled diatribe has no time for faith...in anything...other than his ability to express his own opinion. Now I will readily accept the title windbag but this thread must contain more monologues than the scripts Shakespeare rejected for Hamlet.... It's actually depressing....it's a game of blood football for goodness sake!
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Post by wtd on Feb 10, 2016 18:07:44 GMT 1
Then you need to let him do it his way. Dean Hoyle 'cares' too. You should have a bit more faith. Someone who spends his time creating this convoluted conspiracy riddled diatribe has no time for faith...in anything...other than his ability to express his own opinion. Now I will readily accept the title windbag but this thread must contain more monologues than the scripts Shakespeare rejected for Hamlet.... It's actually depressing....it's a game of blood football for goodness sake!
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Post by dugnet on Feb 10, 2016 18:16:03 GMT 1
Someone who spends his time creating this convoluted conspiracy riddled diatribe has no time for faith...in anything...other than his ability to express his own opinion. Now I will readily accept the title windbag but this thread must contain more monologues than the scripts Shakespeare rejected for Hamlet.... It's actually depressing....it's a game of blood football for goodness sake! Here's a totally useless fact - I saw Terry Butcher's debut for England....what an old git eh?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:13:59 GMT 1
Then you need to let him do it his way. Dean Hoyle 'cares' too. You should have a bit more faith. Someone who spends his time creating this convoluted conspiracy riddled diatribe has no time for faith...in anything...other than his ability to express his own opinion. Now I will readily accept the title windbag but this thread must contain more monologues than the scripts Shakespeare rejected for Hamlet.... It's actually depressing....it's a game of blood football for goodness sake! Ahh the art of deception knows no bounds ;-)
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 11, 2016 19:11:23 GMT 1
Well i did say perhaps i should have titled the thread a big mistake instead of using the term deceived , but i am not going to be slagged off without reply . It takes two to argue/ debate and the level of personal insults and character assasinations i received were not going to go unanswered.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 19:55:39 GMT 1
Well i did say perhaps i should have titled the thread a big mistake instead of using the term deceived , but i am not going to be slagged off without reply . It takes two to argue/ debate and the level of personal insults and character assasinations i received were not going to go unanswered. Carry On Deceiving? :-)
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 12, 2016 21:00:54 GMT 1
Well i did say perhaps i should have titled the thread a big mistake instead of using the term deceived , but i am not going to be slagged off without reply . It takes two to argue/ debate and the level of personal insults and character assasinations i received were not going to go unanswered. Carry On Deceiving? :-) very good lets hope the "carry on regardless " approach will actually bring us a bit of "carry on laughing"
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Feb 13, 2016 19:30:21 GMT 1
Very quiet....
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 13, 2016 19:33:20 GMT 1
MISSING PRESUMED SULKING. Park the nark
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Post by wtd on Feb 13, 2016 19:53:33 GMT 1
MISSING PRESUMED SULKING. Park the nark Be a few of those this evening. I swear a win sticks in their craw. One day pretty soon they will have to change their tune. As long as they don't then claim any credit for helping the club to better days. That would stick in my craw!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 13, 2016 20:23:06 GMT 1
We're seriously in the shit you know! Prepare for a decade of league 1 dross everyone! Ridiculous thread.. The OP needs a grip on reality & stop being such a miserable bastard if you ask me!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 20:35:03 GMT 1
Shhh or you'll wake him up! ;-)
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Post by 52bob on Feb 13, 2016 21:11:42 GMT 1
Meanwhile, back at TP Towers, his advisors are working on an image overhaul starting with an avatar upgrade:
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Feb 13, 2016 21:20:19 GMT 1
Meanwhile, back at TP Towers, his advisors are working on an image overhaul starting with an avatar upgrade:
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Post by zoso on Feb 13, 2016 22:31:37 GMT 1
Meanwhile, back at TP Towers, his advisors are working on an image overhaul starting with an avatar upgrade: Very good UTT.
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 13, 2016 22:37:46 GMT 1
Meanwhile, back at TP Towers, his advisors are working on an image overhaul starting with an avatar upgrade: Quality bob
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 0:03:42 GMT 1
We're seriously in the shit you know! Prepare for a decade of league 1 dross everyone! Ridiculous thread.. The OP needs a grip on reality & stop being such a miserable bastard if you ask me! What a difference a day makes? Every point we get further away from the bottom three is a mega bonus, 2 or 3 is a good day at the office. I'll be honest, as a pessimist I'm still not yet confident enough to be lapse about relegation. Surviving this season and finding the key for the warchest, could make for an exciting 2016/17 season under DW though.
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Post by 5kippy on Feb 14, 2016 0:14:29 GMT 1
We're seriously in the shit you know! Prepare for a decade of league 1 dross everyone! Ridiculous thread.. The OP needs a grip on reality & stop being such a miserable bastard if you ask me! What a difference a day makes? Every point we get further away from the bottom three is a mega bonus, 2 or 3 is a good day at the office. I'll be honest, as a pessimist I'm still not yet confident enough to be lapse about relegation. Surviving this season and finding the key for the warchest, could make for an exciting 2016/17 season under DW though. It is good watching the Titanic starting to turn! (Although I don't know how we would get 2 points from a good day at the office?) Well done. Hopefully this is the begining of the "New You"! UTT TTID
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 0:42:01 GMT 1
What a difference a day makes? Every point we get further away from the bottom three is a mega bonus, 2 or 3 is a good day at the office. I'll be honest, as a pessimist I'm still not yet confident enough to be lapse about relegation. Surviving this season and finding the key for the warchest, could make for an exciting 2016/17 season under DW though. It is good watching the Titanic starting to turn! (Although I don't know how we would get 2 points from a good day at the office?) Well done. Hopefully this is the begining of the "New You"! UTT TTID Maybe not well explained. If we get three points but 2 of the bottom three get a draw, we only extend the gap by 2 points. Charlton and Rotherham both drew today.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 14, 2016 1:40:02 GMT 1
A win is so good. 3 points AND you don't have to put up with terrierpark for a while.
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