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Post by bro600 on Feb 6, 2016 13:00:40 GMT 1
Clappyhapper said "If injuries kick in and we start heading towards relegation, with no backup in key positions and no chance of loan cover as we've already patched over the holes with loans, do you think it would have been advisable to make a transfer or two when we had the chance."
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Post by Jello Biafra on Feb 6, 2016 13:05:26 GMT 1
I tried to read this thread and my PC surrendered. Then my broadband provider rang and said I'd used all the Colne Valley's bandwidth for the next month.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 6, 2016 13:18:02 GMT 1
Holme Valley FTW mate. 21st Century broadband technology too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 13:54:57 GMT 1
I think its a good thing that DW chose not to have any transfers thrust on him from Webbers hitlist.
At least we know the man in charge of on field football affairs makes the ultimate decisions regarding playing staff.
I also don't see any need whatsoever for a club like Town to be paying any transfer fees in this day and age of the bosman era.
Lets hope we do see the season out in style and retain our place in the second tier, As a few injuries to key playing staff could end with us struggling.
Fingers crossed.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 6, 2016 14:37:36 GMT 1
I think its a good thing that DW chose not to have any transfers thrust on him from Webbers hitlist. At least we know the man in charge of on field football affairs makes the ultimate decisions regarding playing staff. I also don't see any need whatsoever for a club like Town to be paying any transfer fees in this day and age of the bosman era.Lets hope we do see the season out in style and retain our place in the second tier, As a few injuries to key playing staff could end with us struggling. Fingers crossed. I am not sure what you are eluding to re Webbers hit list so i will not comment because slaps and co will just go booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodean hoyle booooooooooooooooooooooooo However yes we could take the approach of that in bold especially for class players but the wages are too high too for the type of star name we are all familiar with. I too am hoping that DW breaks the mold on the type of player we aquire so that we dont once again accumalate a large deadwood pile to get shut of for next to nothing again. As for the rest of the post i agree.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 6, 2016 14:48:05 GMT 1
Alluding.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Feb 6, 2016 14:55:06 GMT 1
Aloo Gobi
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 6, 2016 14:57:25 GMT 1
Halloumi
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Post by wtd on Feb 6, 2016 15:12:37 GMT 1
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Feb 6, 2016 15:20:51 GMT 1
Corrie's just not the same without you and her
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 6, 2016 15:34:18 GMT 1
So, in summary; You admire and support DW but not enough to take him at his word over transfers You have no idea who Town targeted or the reasons behind why players weren't signed and don't want to pay over the odds; yet come to the conclusion that it must be because we aren't prepared to pay over the odds. You are in knots because you want to see a marquee signing with a number attached you can relate to, whether or not that signing is good value. As DW has said (though you may concur with the "supporter" from Kent that he is just a useful PR man for DH), short term solutions have been applied - which no one can judge yet - to compensate for missing out on targets for the time being. (Better paragraphs though - makes it much easier to read) Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/99476/all-deceived?page=9#ixzz3zOZQ9NOcYour first point re DW. I dont think he stated the phrase "i give you my word", or "you have my word on this".. The statement that DW made was too vague and sniffed too much of towing the party line. To soften the blow of this news we had the bit in advance about treating the money as it was his own. This is why it was pretty obvious it was going to be a dissapointing window in relation to getting the players we need. But i am not in principle against been careful with money. DW also stated we had plenty of players like Caryol and didnt need him. Then signed 2 more in matmour and Elvis. So where is the truth there then? The daily mail reports all immigrants are pickpockets and the mirror that cameron is a facist. They must be right its the reported word isnt it? Town are not the only club who do this. Its all part of pr and yes all clubs do it. Your 2nd point which assumes i believe the club wont pay over the odds, or more to the point you think i want them to pay over the odds. There are times when to get the player you want and really need you have to pay the going rate. Clearly a lot of transfers see clubs spending amounts that sees players values vastly inflated. There are without doubt ridiculous figures banded about sometimes escalated by a bidding war sometimes because the club doesnt need to sell and slaps a high price tag on. Sometimes however a team in financial difficulty might be glad to take what it can get for a player. A truly marquee signing would be out of the question i am well aware of that and didnt expect one, the wages of such a player would be too high. If DW had said we didnt get these players but we have reached agreement on personal terms and have them on pre contracts for the summer when they will come on frees....now that would be truly a better state of affairs. Short term solutions have been applied yes to the attack of the type we already had options in, but not to the defence. An area that needs no discussion to warrant addressing. I do hope Elvis can have a big impact and it proves a useful bit of business. Ordinarily i would take it on the chin for my impatience but dont forget the NEED for the 2 players and signings we are talking about here, the striker and ctre back are not new to this season, it has gone on for quite a while, so i dont think it unreasonabble to suggest with the amounts of money raised to expect some incomings.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 6, 2016 18:24:48 GMT 1
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Post by yanfan on Feb 6, 2016 20:29:23 GMT 1
We need new defenders---12 goals shipped in 4 games.No more Wells knockers please he is doing his job!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 20:32:15 GMT 1
I was proud to be a Town fan at Preston today supporting the team with enthusiasm and passionate fervour. Did you go? No you just spent your time scuttling around DATM trying to prove you endless wittering has some degree of legitimacy. Copy and paste, copy and paste, copy and paste - truly desperate stuff!
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 6, 2016 21:52:53 GMT 1
Well going to the games is not enough to qualify as a supporter ask captain satisfied. Like how you changed the subject too. Pity the team couldnt deliver the win we deserved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 22:30:28 GMT 1
Amazing how another loss can have the Happy Clappers coming out with the same views that some of us have been getting berated for!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:32:38 GMT 1
Well going to the games is not enough to qualify as a supporter ask captain satisfied. Like how you changed the subject too. Pity the team couldnt deliver the win we deserved. Well actually going to games and getting behind the team is light years ahead of your desperate efforts....
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 7, 2016 15:42:20 GMT 1
like you would know what i do or have done in spporting Town leighton. If you were there yesterday fair play to you,i pick and choose my away games as my finances dictate or because its a venue i have not been to. Looking fwd to Villa away nxt year lol. I have been a season ticket holder for the majority of my supporting years and sorrybut if you read the match thread yesterday, i was nothing but behind the team, as i am at the home games, with the only person getting abuse from me been the ref or his officials.
I want Huddersfield Town to be the best they can be , but sadly others seem too satisified watching the same players make the same mistakes week in week out. We had an oppurtunity to address a poor defence in the jan Window which was ignored at all levels. The football style and general play has improved vastly there is no doubt but we always need at least two more often 3 goals to win a game becuase of our defensive handicap and to some extent missed chances up top. Its hardly rocket science to see games like yesterday happen, losing when we should have been two up by half time because we simply cannot hold a lead with that defence on a consistent basis that gets you progressing. Getting behind them as magnificently vocal as we were yesterday did nothing to help that defence did it.
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Post by detox on Feb 7, 2016 15:55:06 GMT 1
A positive you can take from the preston game is that the failings we have, and have had for far too long, will be increasingly apparent to DW. he strikes me like he knows his stuff and will be mulling over this result, and previous ones with a view to rectifying them in summer. I'd rather this than the , how can I say, players with lower attributes...start putting in extra effort to keep in the team then just go back to their old failings next season. We've seen a few players who seem to step it up when their personal finances might by threatened then just go back to being 'mediocre' again . DW will make sure we stay up..and next season will be our time...the money is there, the coach is there...and hopefully so will be the fans...
We just need to get this season out of the way, and let DW do his job, trying out players in different combinations and formations and let him decide who stays and who gets replaced in the summer..I am confident he will make the right choices.
We just need to sit tight for the remaining 16 games...go and have a good summer, watch the Euro's ..oh, and buy your SC for 2016/17..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 17:01:02 GMT 1
True.....we have all been deceived....by Cameron and his "reformed EU" negotiations. Man's a con merchant....
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 8, 2016 18:55:00 GMT 1
There you go Captain Satisfied ..we must be all WUMS AND SHITTY FANS !!! All in part saying exactly what I have said and have been saying .. i rest my case. No, those are fans fed up of losing games that we should have won. As am I. Its very frustrating. So going back to my question that you keep ignoring- would you solve that by... a) Only buy players you want if you can get them at a decent price, baring in mind their clubs are reluctant to sell them mid-season unless its for stupid money. If you can't get them for a decent amount, then hold fire with the money you have to spend until the summer when they are far more likely to be available. Use the loan market in the meantime to probably achieve the club's highest finish in 16 years. b) Spend it. Doesn't matter if it isn't the players you ideally want, or if it is that you have to blow way more than they're worth on them. The important thing is you spend the money NOW- cos failing to do that with upset some comically tragic fans who won't tolerate anything less than the club spaffing money on transfer fees. Its a or b. what would you do? You keep saying you have faith in Wagner- well he chooses a), so why don't you show faith in him?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 8, 2016 19:01:19 GMT 1
Well going to the games is not enough to qualify as a supporter ask captain satisfied. Like how you changed the subject too. Pity the team couldnt deliver the win we deserved. Spending your life on social media slagging the club and its owner off is what qualifies you as a shit supporter. i thought Id explained that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 21:29:25 GMT 1
like you would know what i do or have done in spporting Town leighton. If you were there yesterday fair play to you,i pick and choose my away games as my finances dictate or because its a venue i have not been to. Looking fwd to Villa away nxt year lol. I have been a season ticket holder for the majority of my supporting years and sorrybut if you read the match thread yesterday, i was nothing but behind the team, as i am at the home games, with the only person getting abuse from me been the ref or his officials. I want Huddersfield Town to be the best they can be , but sadly others seem too satisified watching the same players make the same mistakes week in week out. We had an oppurtunity to address a poor defence in the jan Window which was ignored at all levels. The football style and general play has improved vastly there is no doubt but we always need at least two more often 3 goals to win a game becuase of our defensive handicap and to some extent missed chances up top. Its hardly rocket science to see games like yesterday happen, losing when we should have been two up by half time because we simply cannot hold a lead with that defence on a consistent basis that gets you progressing. Getting behind them as magnificently vocal as we were yesterday did nothing to help that defence did it. Hmm I think I touched a nerve there! The thing is you leave yourself open to criticism with your wild and inaccurate claims i.e. 'You have all been deceived' Your attention seeking thread title apart - if you feel so strongly write to Dean Hoyle with a possible headed letter entitled 'I'm feeling deceived' rather than claiming that everyone else is too. You don't speak for me nor I suspect many others on this forum - take some responsibility for own opinions. David Wagner set out clearly and easily understandably why we did not sign anyone on a permanent deal - as I've suggested previously you must think he's lying and deliberately setting out to deceive you in particular. If you think that you're in effect questioning his integrity - is that the case? Again - you're claiming 'others seem too satisfied' etc - more like Terrier park is not satisfied - Walking away from the Preston ground after the match whilst you were furiously copying and pasting I felt disappointed yet proud at the way we played. Your last sentence seems to suggest that that I should not even bother getting behind the team as it won't help the defence - pathetic!
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Post by dugnet on Feb 8, 2016 22:12:02 GMT 1
I really must find something else to do on an evening as I have just had a look at this pitiful waffle....we have all been deceived ? Some folk need to get a life, and Im probably one of them (for prolonging this unadulterated piffle)...
Lads, its a football club not a bloody political party or religious cult...tactics, players and results...nothing more, to say it's some major conspiracy just shows how ludicrous this site id becoming..
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Post by Manx Terrier on Feb 8, 2016 22:15:03 GMT 1
like you would know what i do or have done in spporting Town leighton. If you were there yesterday fair play to you,i pick and choose my away games as my finances dictate or because its a venue i have not been to. Looking fwd to Villa away nxt year lol. I have been a season ticket holder for the majority of my supporting years and sorrybut if you read the match thread yesterday, i was nothing but behind the team, as i am at the home games, with the only person getting abuse from me been the ref or his officials. I want Huddersfield Town to be the best they can be , but sadly others seem too satisified watching the same players make the same mistakes week in week out. We had an oppurtunity to address a poor defence in the jan Window which was ignored at all levels. The football style and general play has improved vastly there is no doubt but we always need at least two more often 3 goals to win a game becuase of our defensive handicap and to some extent missed chances up top. Its hardly rocket science to see games like yesterday happen, losing when we should have been two up by half time because we simply cannot hold a lead with that defence on a consistent basis that gets you progressing. Getting behind them as magnificently vocal as we were yesterday did nothing to help that defence did it. Hmm I think I touched a nerve there! The thing is you leave yourself open to criticism with your wild and inaccurate claims i.e. 'You have all been deceived' Your attention seeking thread title apart - if you feel so strongly write to Dean Hoyle with a possible headed letter entitled 'I'm feeling deceived' rather than claiming that everyone else is too. You don't speak for me nor I suspect many others on this forum - take some responsibility for own opinions. David Wagner set out clearly and easily understandably why we did not sign anyone on a permanent deal - as I've suggested previously you must think he's lying and deliberately setting out to deceive you in particular. If you think that you're in effect questioning his integrity - is that the case? Again - you're claiming 'others seem too satisfied' etc - more like Terrier park is not satisfied - Walking away from the Preston ground after the match whilst you were furiously copying and pasting I felt disappointed yet proud at the way we played. Your last sentence seems to suggest that that I should not even bother getting behind the team as it won't help the defence - pathetic! It's pretty clear to me that he is certainly not saying we are all feeling deceived. And he is also not claiming he is speaking for us. He is saying that we have been deceived.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 22:25:04 GMT 1
Hmm I think I touched a nerve there! The thing is you leave yourself open to criticism with your wild and inaccurate claims i.e. 'You have all been deceived' Your attention seeking thread title apart - if you feel so strongly write to Dean Hoyle with a possible headed letter entitled 'I'm feeling deceived' rather than claiming that everyone else is too. You don't speak for me nor I suspect many others on this forum - take some responsibility for own opinions. David Wagner set out clearly and easily understandably why we did not sign anyone on a permanent deal - as I've suggested previously you must think he's lying and deliberately setting out to deceive you in particular. If you think that you're in effect questioning his integrity - is that the case? Again - you're claiming 'others seem too satisfied' etc - more like Terrier park is not satisfied - Walking away from the Preston ground after the match whilst you were furiously copying and pasting I felt disappointed yet proud at the way we played. Your last sentence seems to suggest that that I should not even bother getting behind the team as it won't help the defence - pathetic! It's pretty clear to me that he is certainly not saying we are all feeling deceived. And he is also not claiming he is speaking for us. He is saying that we have been deceived. Gee thanks for that....he's feeling deceived, I'm not nor do I think David Wagner has deceived me!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 22:27:13 GMT 1
I really must find something else to do on an evening as I have just had a look at this pitiful waffle....we have all been deceived ? Some folk need to get a life, and Im probably one of them (for prolonging this unadulterated piffle)... Lads, its a football club not a bloody political party or religious cult...tactics, players and results...nothing more, to say it's some major conspiracy just shows how ludicrous this site id becoming.. Yes mate, me too!
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 8, 2016 22:39:49 GMT 1
There you go Captain Satisfied ..we must be all WUMS AND SHITTY FANS !!! All in part saying exactly what I have said and have been saying .. i rest my case. No, those are fans fed up of losing games that we should have won. As am I. Its very frustrating.Yes it is and has been since for quite some time becuase we plod on without sorting out whats wrong. The scary thing is DW said he has applied short term solutions and that didnt address the defence. I would like to think that one of the targets was a defender. The last match demonstrated perfectly all that is good and all that is bad. Some great play and attacks not converted into goals and at the other end the chocolate fireguard. Whats more it will happen again and even more so against the quality teams as they will convert at least one out of two or three chances. So going back to my question that you keep ignoring- Firstly in replying to your original post on the matter you chose to have a pop at me as a person. You insulted me and reinforced that rhetoric and tone even when i said i considered it a bit low in our later exchanges. You also failed to address any of the specific points i raised. I may not have specifically written it as an open question but never the less i raised points you didnt tackle. So to your eagerly awaited question. would you solve that by... a) Only buy players you want if you can get them at a decent price, baring in mind their clubs are reluctant to sell them mid-season unless its for stupid money. If you can't get them for a decent amount, then hold fire with the money you have to spend until the summer when they are far more likely to be available. Use the loan market in the meantime to probably achieve the club's highest finish in 16 years. But your question does not accurately depict what actually happened does it? The club on once again in selling their players late in the summer window, left no time to sign pernament replacements. The club promised the fans that money would be set aside to strengthen with such signings in January. Are you seriously arguing that they didnt know clubs would be possibly reluctant to sell, that the price may be a bit more elevated? This was the clubs stance we will sort this out in January! By far more likely to be available, what you actually mean is on a free and like many others have pointed out there will be increased competition to sign them. Competition that we cant compete with because of the stupid wages! With regards to using the loan market , a) dont you think we are teetering on been a bit over reliant and b) Wagner has said he prefers his own players to work with. So your question although it eludes itself to been credible does not reflect the bigger picture of what was happening. So having been given a considerable war chest of funds to spend...which was reported to be the case, what would i have done? I would have done the right think and spent it and got the players we need a credible striker and a quality ctre back. The right thing not to put our season and our place in the Championship at risk. The right thing to ensure that the summer shopping list was not too large, that it signalled to other potential signings that we have ambition in this division and to give the fans further positivity to take into a new season and hopefully sell more ST. We wont know until the end of the season if we get away with what we have done. All transfer fees barring the odd exception are high Slapps its football these days, especially if we are talking quality players. As i said before on this one, at this time we needed to pay the going rate and do the right thing. We will also never know if we get those targets as they were unamed so if we do stay up and finish in our highest position and in the summer dw signs x and y and states these are who i wanted then i will apologise to you. But if this season turns to shit and we struggle and slip into the relegation fight then i hope you would recognise that perhaps it was a foolish gamble. Finally re DW. I truly believe he isnt daft enough to realise the defence needs sorting out. He might get a loan player in to help with that i would like to think so but there are things that he has said that do cause concern post the preston match. The answer isnt to blame the defence or the attack moreover its a combination of both that needs addressing.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 9, 2016 1:40:13 GMT 1
My question very accurately reflects what happened.
One option is exactly what happened. Not my account of it , but the manager's. He was very open and honest about it. He explained it very simply.You have the right to disagree with it if you want, but to question the integrity of it is absolute hogshit and unworthy of anyone who considers themselves a Town fan.
The other option is what you apparently would prefer to do.
Or in your words- 'I would have done the right think and spent it and got the players we need a credible striker and a quality ctre back.'
So its as simple as that? You have a very child-like appreciation of it all IMO.
Personally id rather appreciate that the money was there to spend ( so not spurt out melodramatic bullshit about 'being deceived', which our owner doesn't deserve in the slightest as its insulting to him as both an honourable man and as a club owner who's personally propped this club up financially for years and dragged it out of the shit heap it was in back in 2008 ) and id rather put my trust in wagner, who is in the process of transforming our side's standard of play in a positive way and has a lot of faith in the players he currently has this season and the confidence that he will get the players he ACTUALLY WANTS in a few months time.
Id rather do both those things than pay any credence to the infantile tantrums and demands of someone who spends his days endlessly slagging off my football club and its owner whilst its actually in one of its best spells of the last 40 odd years and thinks that somehow amounts to being a good supporter.
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