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Post by Melc on Feb 9, 2016 16:58:31 GMT 1
I personally would have uped the prices of season tickets as we will probably still sell around the same anyway. So if we say shift 15k season cards you honestly think we would sell that amount with another rise on top of this season's price? The whole idea is to get more fans in on a match day surely.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 9, 2016 19:14:08 GMT 1
One of Towns biggest problem is that it's been away from the top flight far far too long, people see the club as mediocre, with no ambition to get there, folk can trot out a load of things that Hoyle has done for the club but the success on the pitch is what will get people back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 19:45:23 GMT 1
Folk talk about burying bad news around a big story, if we are doing these tickets at £179 then we should be doing the opposite. Get it out there. Make it official. Walk outs. Demonstrations. Parliament discussing it. News channels. Radio stations. Get it bloody sorted and announce it if it's happening. The world and his bloody wife will know who Huddersfield Town are and what they are doing. Dean Hoyle, best chairman in the country. Money can't buy the sort of advertising we could get here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 19:48:11 GMT 1
One of Towns biggest problem is that it's been away from the top flight far far too long, people see the club as mediocre, with no ambition to get there, folk can trot out a load of things that Hoyle has done for the club but the success on the pitch is what will get people back. we need a stint in the premiership to get kids at school to notice us,a couple of seasons will do,that would set us up nicely as a good championship club with a reasonable fan base
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 9, 2016 20:11:06 GMT 1
One of Towns biggest problem is that it's been away from the top flight far far too long, people see the club as mediocre, with no ambition to get there, folk can trot out a load of things that Hoyle has done for the club but the success on the pitch is what will get people back. Did Bradford a world of good, didn't it? You make it out like Hoyle himself is actually happy with our league position.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 9, 2016 20:17:53 GMT 1
One of Towns biggest problem is that it's been away from the top flight far far too long, people see the club as mediocre, with no ambition to get there, folk can trot out a load of things that Hoyle has done for the club but the success on the pitch is what will get people back. Did Bradford a world of good, didn't it? You make it out like Hoyle himself is actually happy with our league position. Yes it did, just cos they tumbled back down the leagues, do you think their fans would change it? I never mentioned Hoyle, its not me you've got to convince I've been a season ticket holder for the last 25 plus years.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 9, 2016 20:23:41 GMT 1
Did Bradford a world of good, didn't it? You make it out like Hoyle himself is actually happy with our league position. Yes it did, just cos they tumbled back down the leagues, do you think their fans would change it? I never mentioned Hoyle, its not me you've got to convince I've been a season ticket holder for the last 25 plus years. You did mention Hoyle. How did it do them a load of good? They get crowds not too far off ours, they train at a private school, dossing about in the middle of league one and it wasn't long ago that they played first team football on a pitch that belonged in the 1950's.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 9, 2016 20:30:41 GMT 1
In the championship, we're now the 3rd worst supported club, so naming one won't be an issue. Preston, MK Dons, Bristol, Charlton, Fulham, Bolton Leeds cardiff- have those clubs been flush with success in this division? probably charge more than we do. Same issues with parking, food etc Now you name one other club who have had many seasons of improved finishes in a row, including a promotion, and have seen their crowds fall for the last 3 years. You can't keep moving the goalposts. It used to be cost, now when thats getting sorted its just the results ( ignoring the historical evidence against that) . What will it be if we start winning all the time? The weather? We don't have padded seats? Im not having a sweeping statement that the footballs been negative for the past 3 years, Thats rubbish. Theres been some cracking games since we got promoted. Loads of them. The dull negative games are a small minority, and this idea they don't happen at all clubs is also rubbish. Tell me of a time when we didn't have any dull games? The only team in that list i would expect us to have larger crowds than is MK. The only reason they are above us with crowds is that they got promoted by winning 9 out of 10 (and one draw) at the end of the season. This led to increased season ticket sales...watch next season what happens. I repeat that we have endured THREE years of dull, negative football. Last season i saw 3 home games in a row with just SIX shots!! If we were playing well, challenging for something and prices were fair i would expect 15/16 thousand, we are not far off that considering how shit it has been. Your "continued improvement" mantra does not wash with me Slapps...we were awful last season, its just there were others who were worse. 3 seasons of fighting relegation...you are polishing turds. As for "cracking games" since we got promoted...i might give you half-a-dozen from 120. Pitiful. Youre speaking as someone who didn't go to many games in that period though for a start. If you think theres only been half a dozen cracking games since we came up then nothing I say will have any sway with you because you've decided it was dull no matter whether it was or not. Neither were we 'fighting relegation last season or the season before to any great extent. Why exaggerate any negative to try to show you are right! And why would you expect preston to get bigger crowds than us? Hudds has a bigger population for one thing and has done better over recent seasons for another. You asked me to name one team that isn't up near the top but gets better support than we do- I named a few . Are you going to name another one who's finished in better positions for years on end and has seen its crowds fall? And Im still waiting for you to tell me about this glorious time when we didn't have dull games.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 9, 2016 20:43:23 GMT 1
Did Bradford a world of good, didn't it? You make it out like Hoyle himself is actually happy with our league position. Yes it did, just cos they tumbled back down the leagues, do you think their fans would change it? I never mentioned Hoyle, its not me you've got to convince I've been a season ticket holder for the last 25 plus years. Since 1972, we have had one chance of the top flight which ultimately put the club in debilitating financial problems. And provides a warning for those wanting to gamble (with someone else's money) DH has provided a platform which makes it conceivable we can challenge in the future - bar the disastrous Rubery era (if less than 12 months qualifies as an era) we have mainly scrabbled around the bottom 2 divisions. So, "trotting out" what DH has done for the club - so far, he has provided a base from which it is possible to get up without putting the club in peril (unlike Rubery and that fat slug at Bradford). That is far from an easy achievement in the prevailing football world. It isn't going to create 5/10,000 new fans - but if he overspent and didn't get promotion, the fair weather "supporters" won't care and they will be off again when it gets hard in the PL if we do go up. He's 3 months in to a new direction, including innovative coaching, developing a style and trying to attract support with a bloody good season ticket deal. It's boring but patience is the key - the core support hopefully understands this, though frustration is only human and inevitable.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 9, 2016 21:42:41 GMT 1
The only team in that list i would expect us to have larger crowds than is MK. The only reason they are above us with crowds is that they got promoted by winning 9 out of 10 (and one draw) at the end of the season. This led to increased season ticket sales...watch next season what happens. I repeat that we have endured THREE years of dull, negative football. Last season i saw 3 home games in a row with just SIX shots!! If we were playing well, challenging for something and prices were fair i would expect 15/16 thousand, we are not far off that considering how shit it has been. Your "continued improvement" mantra does not wash with me Slapps...we were awful last season, its just there were others who were worse. 3 seasons of fighting relegation...you are polishing turds. As for "cracking games" since we got promoted...i might give you half-a-dozen from 120. Pitiful. Youre speaking as someone who didn't go to many games in that period though for a start. If you think theres only been half a dozen cracking games since we came up then nothing I say will have any sway with you because you've decided it was dull no matter whether it was or not. Neither were we 'fighting relegation last season or the season before to any great extent. Why exaggerate any negative to try to show you are right! And why would you expect preston to get bigger crowds than us? Hudds has a bigger population for one thing and has done better over recent seasons for another. You asked me to name one team that isn't up near the top but gets better support than we do- I named a few . Are you going to name another one who's finished in better positions for years on end and has seen its crowds fall? And Im still waiting for you to tell me about this glorious time when we didn't have dull games. If 3 years of relegation battles (being surely the aggregate low scorer in the leagues in that time) with continually one striker and about 4 shots per game is not dull for you i suggest you also take up bus-spotting. No cup runs, defeats to local rivals, virtually no wins against big teams in 3 years, boring signings. No spin by you Slapps can show it was not DULL. Crowds are lower at the Mac because the product is rubbish, you are arguing against yourself. Preston has a bigger catchment area, they are doing better than us and our crowds will still finish bigger than theirs (in fact we are currently similar at 12.5k). "Better positions" is your continual smoke-screen, meaningless...and as for not being in a relegation battle last season...we were 18th with 6 matches to go and then went unbeaten. It was meltdown on here in April. Yes, continual improvement for 3 years you say..was it 19th, 17th, 16th? Actually wins went down each season 15, 14 and 13 and so did points totals. Great, completely random and marginal. No improvement at all...we got worse on the pitch.
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Post by thrice on Feb 9, 2016 22:47:09 GMT 1
No matter what the price for a ST folk will have plenty of legitimate "excuses" for not getting one. Cricket, golf, football, ferrying kids about, shopping, you name it.
This sounds like a fantastic initiative but it will need to be complimented by fantastic walk up prices (and good fortune on the park) to really entice the masses out of their usual routine. Then hopefully they might be buying ST themselves in years to come
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Post by Horny Horne on Feb 9, 2016 23:20:53 GMT 1
Sorry if this has been mentioned but I cannot be bothered reading all 6 pages...
Does anyone think Wagner will have had any influence in these ticket prices (should they be correct).
Maybe even in an indirect way - Don't Dortmund offer season tickets at something crazy like £150 for top level football?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 10, 2016 21:30:35 GMT 1
Youre speaking as someone who didn't go to many games in that period though for a start. If you think theres only been half a dozen cracking games since we came up then nothing I say will have any sway with you because you've decided it was dull no matter whether it was or not. Neither were we 'fighting relegation last season or the season before to any great extent. Why exaggerate any negative to try to show you are right! And why would you expect preston to get bigger crowds than us? Hudds has a bigger population for one thing and has done better over recent seasons for another. You asked me to name one team that isn't up near the top but gets better support than we do- I named a few . Are you going to name another one who's finished in better positions for years on end and has seen its crowds fall? And Im still waiting for you to tell me about this glorious time when we didn't have dull games. If 3 years of relegation battles (being surely the aggregate low scorer in the leagues in that time) with continually one striker and about 4 shots per game is not dull for you i suggest you also take up bus-spotting. No cup runs, defeats to local rivals, virtually no wins against big teams in 3 years, boring signings. No spin by you Slapps can show it was not DULL. Crowds are lower at the Mac because the product is rubbish, you are arguing against yourself. Preston has a bigger catchment area, they are doing better than us and our crowds will still finish bigger than theirs (in fact we are currently similar at 12.5k). "Better positions" is your continual smoke-screen, meaningless...and as for not being in a relegation battle last season...we were 18th with 6 matches to go and then went unbeaten. It was meltdown on here in April. Yes, continual improvement for 3 years you say..was it 19th, 17th, 16th? Actually wins went down each season 15, 14 and 13 and so did points totals. Great, completely random and marginal. No improvement at all...we got worse on the pitch. Interesting. So finishing higher is NOT a better position? It doesn't signify some progress? Now its about wins is it. I keep using this example cos it illustrates well why that mentality is utter garbage- Peterborough 2011/12- won 13 games and finished 18th Peterborough 2012/13- won 15 games and finished 22nd AND WENT DOWN! Great progress for them then with their extra wins! Continually one striker-- bullshit. not true- stop making shit up. 3 years of relegation 'battles'-- bullshit about 4 shots per game -- bullshit boring signings- bullshit product is rubbish-- bullshit better positions are meaningless--bullshit No improvement on pitch- bullshit Preston has bigger catchment area--bullshit Why are you making up crap? Putting as much negative spin on everything as you can? You didn't go to many games but insist they were all boring? Again, if you could stop ignoring my questions cos I answered yours- 1-name one other team who have had year after year of better finishes and have seen their crowds fall. 2-Tell me when this period was when we didn't have dull games.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 10, 2016 21:45:56 GMT 1
If 3 years of relegation battles (being surely the aggregate low scorer in the leagues in that time) with continually one striker and about 4 shots per game is not dull for you i suggest you also take up bus-spotting. No cup runs, defeats to local rivals, virtually no wins against big teams in 3 years, boring signings. No spin by you Slapps can show it was not DULL. Crowds are lower at the Mac because the product is rubbish, you are arguing against yourself. Preston has a bigger catchment area, they are doing better than us and our crowds will still finish bigger than theirs (in fact we are currently similar at 12.5k). "Better positions" is your continual smoke-screen, meaningless...and as for not being in a relegation battle last season...we were 18th with 6 matches to go and then went unbeaten. It was meltdown on here in April. Yes, continual improvement for 3 years you say..was it 19th, 17th, 16th? Actually wins went down each season 15, 14 and 13 and so did points totals. Great, completely random and marginal. No improvement at all...we got worse on the pitch. Interesting. So finishing higher is NOT a better position? It doesn't signify some progress? Now its about wins is it. I keep using this example cos it illustrates well why that mentality is utter garbage- Peterborough 2011/12- won 13 games and finished 18th Peterborough 2012/13- won 15 games and finished 22nd AND WENT DOWN! Great progress for them then with their extra wins! Continually one striker-- bullshit. not true- stop making shit up. 3 years of relegation 'battles'-- bullshit about 4 shots per game -- bullshit boring signings- bullshit product is rubbish-- bullshit better positions are meaningless--bullshit No improvement on pitch- bullshit Preston has bigger catchment area--bullshit Why are you making up crap? Putting as much negative spin on everything as you can? You didn't go to many games but insist they were all boring? Again, if you could stop ignoring my questions cos I answered yours- 1-name one other team who have had year after year of better finishes and have seen their crowds fall. 2-Tell me when this period was when we didn't have dull games. We are not going to agree. I can turn it around...name the games with 2 strikers...a handful in 3 years? 4 shots on target is fact...go back through the BBC stats. Boring signings...name an exciting one? Wells from Div 1...wow. I presume the last 3 seasons we were challenging for promotion then? Thats why the bookies at some point had us as favourites to go down. 19th to 16th in 3 seasons and you keep calling it progress. Had we not gone 7 unbeaten and the end of the season (against teams with largely nothing to play for) would that still be progress? Progress is challenging, not worrying about relegation in April, progress is youth coming through, progress is selling players for a huge amounts to top teams, progress is some of your players being capped, progress is financially being in the black for the year. There was NO progress in the last 3 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 22:05:07 GMT 1
Progress is whatever Otium tells us it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 22:06:46 GMT 1
Interesting. So finishing higher is NOT a better position? It doesn't signify some progress? Now its about wins is it. I keep using this example cos it illustrates well why that mentality is utter garbage- Peterborough 2011/12- won 13 games and finished 18th Peterborough 2012/13- won 15 games and finished 22nd AND WENT DOWN! Great progress for them then with their extra wins! Continually one striker-- bullshit. not true- stop making shit up. 3 years of relegation 'battles'-- bullshit about 4 shots per game -- bullshit boring signings- bullshit product is rubbish-- bullshit better positions are meaningless--bullshit No improvement on pitch- bullshit Preston has bigger catchment area--bullshit Why are you making up crap? Putting as much negative spin on everything as you can? You didn't go to many games but insist they were all boring? Again, if you could stop ignoring my questions cos I answered yours- 1-name one other team who have had year after year of better finishes and have seen their crowds fall. 2-Tell me when this period was when we didn't have dull games. We are not going to agree. I can turn it around...name the games with 2 strikers...a handful in 3 years? 4 shots on target is fact...go back through the BBC stats. Boring signings...name an exciting one? Wells from Div 1...wow. I presume the last 3 seasons we were challenging for promotion then? Thats why the bookies at some point had us as favourites to go down. 19th to 16th in 3 seasons and you keep calling it progress. Had we not gone 7 unbeaten and the end of the season (against teams with largely nothing to play for) would that still be progress? Progress is challenging, not worrying about relegation in April, progress is youth coming through, progress is selling players for a huge amounts to top teams, progress is some of your players being capped, progress is financially being in the black for the year. There was NO progress in the last 3 seasons. All been done in the last two seasons (granted I'm pushing it a bit with Wells for Bermuda and Davidson with Aus). Think you were massively struggling when you were asking to be in the black. We're never going to agree if you'd rather be winning tallest dwarf competitions in League One than competing in the Championship. That said, I bet I could search through your posts from those days and you'd be crying that you'd rather be in a league with proper teams than playing Port Vale and Stevenage.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 10, 2016 22:47:40 GMT 1
We are not going to agree. I can turn it around...name the games with 2 strikers...a handful in 3 years? 4 shots on target is fact...go back through the BBC stats. Boring signings...name an exciting one? Wells from Div 1...wow. I presume the last 3 seasons we were challenging for promotion then? Thats why the bookies at some point had us as favourites to go down. 19th to 16th in 3 seasons and you keep calling it progress. Had we not gone 7 unbeaten and the end of the season (against teams with largely nothing to play for) would that still be progress? Progress is challenging, not worrying about relegation in April, progress is youth coming through, progress is selling players for a huge amounts to top teams, progress is some of your players being capped, progress is financially being in the black for the year. There was NO progress in the last 3 seasons. All been done in the last two seasons (granted I'm pushing it a bit with Wells for Bermuda and Davidson with Aus). Think you were massively struggling when you were asking to be in the black. We're never going to agree if you'd rather be winning tallest dwarf competitions in League One than competing in the Championship. That said, I bet I could search through your posts from those days and you'd be crying that you'd rather be in a league with proper teams than playing Port Vale and Stevenage. Nope...i like lower league footy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 22:49:58 GMT 1
All been done in the last two seasons (granted I'm pushing it a bit with Wells for Bermuda and Davidson with Aus). Think you were massively struggling when you were asking to be in the black. We're never going to agree if you'd rather be winning tallest dwarf competitions in League One than competing in the Championship. That said, I bet I could search through your posts from those days and you'd be crying that you'd rather be in a league with proper teams than playing Port Vale and Stevenage. Nope...i like lower league footy :) Fair enough.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 11, 2016 0:21:44 GMT 1
Interesting. So finishing higher is NOT a better position? It doesn't signify some progress? Now its about wins is it. I keep using this example cos it illustrates well why that mentality is utter garbage- Peterborough 2011/12- won 13 games and finished 18th Peterborough 2012/13- won 15 games and finished 22nd AND WENT DOWN! Great progress for them then with their extra wins! Continually one striker-- bullshit. not true- stop making shit up. 3 years of relegation 'battles'-- bullshit about 4 shots per game -- bullshit boring signings- bullshit product is rubbish-- bullshit better positions are meaningless--bullshit No improvement on pitch- bullshit Preston has bigger catchment area--bullshit Why are you making up crap? Putting as much negative spin on everything as you can? You didn't go to many games but insist they were all boring? Again, if you could stop ignoring my questions cos I answered yours- 1-name one other team who have had year after year of better finishes and have seen their crowds fall. 2-Tell me when this period was when we didn't have dull games. We are not going to agree. I can turn it around...name the games with 2 strikers...a handful in 3 years? A handful? Well we had Beckford and vaughan alongside each other for a lot of the first season for example. Church was up there with vaughan a bit too as was Lee and Novak, who also partnered Rhodes early on. Danny ward played as a striker a lot of the season too. Then we usually had any two of vaughan stead paterson Ward for a while, then added Wells to the list. Holt, miller. Bunn and scannell sometimes. Not always 2 up front but usually. You idea thats its been a handfull of games shows you haven't a clue. Not that one of front isn't an attacking formation necessarily anyway. Its naive to make out it is.4 shots on target is fact...go back through the BBC stats. What are the stats on other sides? How does it compare? Boring signings...name an exciting one? Wells from Div 1...wow. Vaughan, Clayton, Butterfield, Scannell, Lynch, Hogg, beckford, hammill, Holt. Im not bored with any signings myself. theres always a sense of optimism about them. Many of the most dissapointing have been big name players id actually heard of. But seriously, which 'exciting signings do you think Huddersfield town will attract? I presume the last 3 seasons we were challenging for promotion then? Thats why the bookies at some point had us as favourites to go down. So youre either challenging for promotion or youre in a relegation battle? The first season up it was a battle, no doubt about that. the second much less so, and the third we were never in any real threat. Making out weve spent 3 years scrapping in a dog fight is just melodramatic bumph IMO. We haven't. 19th to 16th in 3 seasons and you keep calling it progress. Had we not gone 7 unbeaten and the end of the season (against teams with largely nothing to play for) would that still be progress? So if we hadn't won the games we won, we wouldn't have done so well? best ignore those games then as they don't count. Just concentrate on the games we didn't win- they count! Whjat a great way of looking at it. Progress is challenging, not worrying about relegation in April, progress is youth coming through, progress is selling players for a huge amounts to top teams, progress is some of your players being capped, progress is financially being in the black for the year. I thought progress was winning more games? make yer mind up, you'll eventually get it right!! Weve brought through a few young players but id agree it could be more, Sell players for big money- well weve certainly done that! Capped- well weve had that too but the vast majority of our players are english so its a tad unrealistic to expect us to have any england players isn't it! And being in the black- how many clubs do that in the championship? Answer-none. Its practically impossible without getting relegated. Again- very naive. There was NO progress in the last 3 seasons. again- bullshit.Before you answer my 2 questions ( or keep ignoring them) , also tell me how you judge all these games to be so dull when you haven't seen many of them? The fact you think weve only played with 2 strikers a handful of times since promotion kind of gives it away that you haven't seen us play much in that time, so why not stick to giving opinions on things you've seen or know about?
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 12, 2016 21:49:04 GMT 1
I have a question for you Captain.
If there had been real season on season progress why was there the need to sack CP install DW. The fact that DW has reignited the support and belief (although we need to halt the bad run sat) demonstrates itself that your progress is about stats and not what the fans have seen with their own eyes
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 12, 2016 21:55:19 GMT 1
What's with the infiltrating other threads with your bullshit parkie ? Tired of talking to the mirror on your grotty " you've been duped " thread ?
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Post by detox on Feb 12, 2016 21:56:00 GMT 1
I have a question for you Captain. If there had been real season on season progress why was there the need to sack CP install DW. The fact that DW has reignited the support and belief (although we need to halt the bad run sat) demonstrates itself that your progress is about stats and not what the fans have seen with their own eyes Anyone who thinks we've made progress by simply standing still is just silly. We've trodden water for 3 years, kept ourselves in the championship...flirted with relegation but never threatened the top half of the table...this has been 'achieved' with a good deal of dour (boring) football and such has been Dean's personal dissatisfaction with it he's sacked Grayson,Robins and Powell in successive years. I don't think Dean believes we have made progress at all...especially when he's seen the gates drop by 3,000 as fans have simply been bored stupid by it all and walked away.
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Post by shawsie on Feb 12, 2016 23:03:05 GMT 1
I have a question for you Captain. If there had been real season on season progress why was there the need to sack CP install DW. The fact that DW has reignited the support and belief (although we need to halt the bad run sat) demonstrates itself that your progress is about stats and not what the fans have seen with their own eyes Anyone who thinks we've made progress by simply standing still is just silly. We've trodden water for 3 years, kept ourselves in the championship...flirted with relegation but never threatened the top half of the table...this has been 'achieved' with a good deal of dour (boring) football and such has been Dean's personal dissatisfaction with it he's sacked Grayson,Robins and Powell in successive years. I don't think Dean believes we have made progress at all...especially when he's seen the gates drop by 3,000 as fans have simply been bored stupid by it all and walked away. that is way too harsh detox. lets just say we get lucky and go up next season but the year after we have to dig in to stop up. will folks stop turning up?! surely its called establishing yourself at a higher level and improving? the club have made some poor recruitment and pricing decisions but let no one under estimate how tough it is now at this level. this club was shite for years under davy.....no investment no ambition and an over reliance on ultimately over rated youth. we have come alot further than many realise and if the folk of kirklees get off their arses and buy cut price tickets we might just surprise a few!
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 13, 2016 1:37:34 GMT 1
I have a question for you Captain. If there had been real season on season progress why was there the need to sack CP install DW. The fact that DW has reignited the support and belief (although we need to halt the bad run sat) demonstrates itself that your progress is about stats and not what the fans have seen with their own eyes The progress Im talking about is league position , which is factual . Things like the entertainment value and quality of play and if theres been progress there are personal opinion. Deans was obviously that he wanted to see more than just steady if small progress in league position but progress in those other areas too. I strongly suspect- if we play better football but finish a place lower, you'd whinge about there being no progress in league position. If we play worse football but finish a place higher, you'd whinge about there being no progress in entertainment. If we play better football and finish a place higher, you'd whinge about something else.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 13, 2016 1:53:15 GMT 1
I have a question for you Captain. If there had been real season on season progress why was there the need to sack CP install DW. The fact that DW has reignited the support and belief (although we need to halt the bad run sat) demonstrates itself that your progress is about stats and not what the fans have seen with their own eyes Anyone who thinks we've made progress by simply standing still is just silly. We've trodden water for 3 years, kept ourselves in the championship...flirted with relegation but never threatened the top half of the table...this has been 'achieved' with a good deal of dour (boring) football and such has been Dean's personal dissatisfaction with it he's sacked Grayson,Robins and Powell in successive years. I don't think Dean believes we have made progress at all...especially when he's seen the gates drop by 3,000 as fans have simply been bored stupid by it all and walked away. Grayson was sacked not long after the team spent a a few months up at the top end of the division. He wasn't sacked because of boring football- he was sacked because it became losing football Robins wasn't sacked. The boring tag is rubbish. A couple of dreary games are exaggerated into ' all games are dull'. Like I keep asking Oti ( and he keeps ignoring) , when was this time that there weren't any dull games? From xmas onwards last season , the vast majority of home games were anything but dull. But then ST sales fall again for this season? 19th..17th...16th ( would probably have been 15th but for the Blackpool fiasco) - Being 10 minutes away from the drop...to securing enough points to stay up by late february. yup, anyone who might suggest some level of progress there is just plain silly, eh?.
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Post by ACW on Feb 13, 2016 3:43:56 GMT 1
We've definitely made progress since we came up. The standard of football we have played each season has got progressively better as we have found our feet in a tough, tough division. Ok, the football at times has been a struggle to watch, but there have been some cracking games (even under Powell) and the general standard at this level is so much better than in League One. Football can be dour at any level, but in general the footie is so much better to watch in the Championship. Even in the poorer games you will still see some decent skill and teams trying to play the right way. Much better than the head tennis we invariably saw at a lower level I would argue simply retaining our status in the Championship is progress. It gets tougher each year. The fact we have made small progress each year is something to be proud of. It may not be as exciting as challenging at the top of League One to some, but it's very real progress for a club our size. That's not to say we shouldn't be ambitious and seek to improve - something I believe Hoyle is passionate about - but we have to be realistic. How many seasons have we had in the lower divisions in the past 40 years? Most of them. This might be hard for some to believe, but this is one of my best times as a Town supporter. The proposed season ticket offer is a great move and I hope Hoyle is rewarded by higher crowds. His passion and Wagner's exciting brand of football - the like of which I've seen rarely in 30-odd years of support - deserve it.
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Post by zoso on Feb 13, 2016 9:34:43 GMT 1
I have a question for you Captain. If there had been real season on season progress why was there the need to sack CP install DW. The fact that DW has reignited the support and belief (although we need to halt the bad run sat) demonstrates itself that your progress is about stats and not what the fans have seen with their own eyes Suppose it's like if you had £10,000 to invest. Do you stick it in the building society & get a boring 0.25% interest, or invest in the risky stock market but with a potential of maybe a 20% gain? DH asked fans that were present at Canalside before the Brighton game if we wanted to see exciting attacking football, the answer was a resounding YES! So, this is where we are, just waiting for the stock market to pick up a bit and we'll be flying!! Utt.
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Post by bogart on Feb 13, 2016 12:01:14 GMT 1
Used to have a Britania Rescue ticket until I moved to France permanently when I bought a Take10 ticket. If the £179 ticket does come to fruition I will buy one for sure. One question though is I find it odd the same price is being touted for all parts of the ground. In my mind the obvious best place to see the game is the Revell Ward upper where I use my Take 10s. Will not one side of the ground be full whereas the Britannia side will empty out somewhat.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Feb 13, 2016 12:20:52 GMT 1
Used to have a Britania Rescue ticket until I moved to France permanently when I bought a Take10 ticket. If the £179 ticket does come to fruition I will buy one for sure. One question though is I find it odd the same price is being touted for all parts of the ground. In my mind the obvious best place to see the game is the Revell Ward upper where I use my Take 10s. Will not one side of the ground be full whereas the Britannia side will empty out somewhat. I would guess not. The view might be better but it's severely lacking in atmosphere. A few years back a group of us sat up there and tried to start some songs. All I will say is if looks could kill we would have been massacred. Not for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:30:02 GMT 1
Used to have a Britania Rescue ticket until I moved to France permanently when I bought a Take10 ticket. If the £179 ticket does come to fruition I will buy one for sure. One question though is I find it odd the same price is being touted for all parts of the ground. In my mind the obvious best place to see the game is the Revell Ward upper where I use my Take 10s. Will not one side of the ground be full whereas the Britannia side will empty out somewhat. I would guess not. The view might be better but it's severely lacking in atmosphere. A few years back a group of us sat up there and tried to start some songs. All I will say is if looks could kill we would have been massacred. Not for me. But in terms of view and if you're purely wanting to watch the game, it is easily the best part of the ground. Side on, good height, clear views of scoreboard (obstructed at back of Brittania). I remember watching Malvin Kamara tear Grimsby apart in the cup sat up there, those were the days
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