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Mar 8, 2016 16:06:48 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 16:06:48 GMT 1
stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games. Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. he makes a good foil for Nahki up front tho.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 18:47:33 GMT 1
stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games.Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. And would this include Wagner and his coaching staff?
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Hudson
Mar 9, 2016 12:21:26 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 12:21:26 GMT 1
Yes. I disagree with him totally.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 9, 2016 12:49:02 GMT 1
stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games. Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. That is such a jaundiced view capn....hudson played well again last night and regularly mops up in our penalty area with good interceptions and blocks. Also, you cant bemoan others using stats when you used to use them all the time in respect of your love child........! Nobody would disagree that hudson is past his best and not the quickest, but you seem to point out all his faults and not recognise some of the value he adds, not least of which has been the colossal improvement in lynch who now resembles a top defender at this level. Lynch hasnt had to up his game.....hudson has helped him, he says so himself! Would i offer him a new deal? Probably not, but we have seen with our own eyes over the last 2 yrs how we havent had anybody any better to come in. Wallace was truly dreadful and crainie ok but no more than that. A new cb and left back are massive priorities imho.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 9, 2016 13:08:01 GMT 1
Guy I went with put his finger on it for me last night (but that's another tale altogether!! ) when he said that Hudson can read the game well enough, but when he is in a position where he is exposed to pace he is regularly found out. He gets away with it on many occasions and seems to be able to fit in with Wagner's passing game, but it is only a matter of time before the gulf gets too big and he needs to be replaced. Thought Crainie looked the real deal last night!
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Mar 9, 2016 13:12:08 GMT 1
Post by kennyk2 on Mar 9, 2016 13:12:08 GMT 1
stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games. Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. That is such a jaundiced view capn....hudson played well again last night and regularly mops up in our penalty area with good interceptions and blocks. Also, you cant bemoan others using stats when you used to use them all the time in respect of your love child........! Nobody would disagree that hudson is past his best and not the quickest, but you seem to point out all his faults and not recognise some of the value he adds, not least of which has been the colossal improvement in lynch who now resembles a top defender at this level. Lynch hasnt had to up his game.....hudson has helped him, he says so himself! Would i offer him a new deal? Probably not, but we have seen with our own eyes over the last 2 yrs how we havent had anybody any better to come in. Wallace was truly dreadful and crainie ok but no more than that. A new cb and left back are massive priorities imho. The points per game "statistic" for Hudson is complete bollox. Anybody with a modicum of an understanding of statistics will point out its failings.
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Mar 9, 2016 14:50:45 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 14:50:45 GMT 1
stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games. Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. That is such a jaundiced view capn....hudson played well again last night and regularly mops up in our penalty area with good interceptions and blocks. Also, you cant bemoan others using stats when you used to use them all the time in respect of your love child........! Nobody would disagree that hudson is past his best and not the quickest, but you seem to point out all his faults and not recognise some of the value he adds, not least of which has been the colossal improvement in lynch who now resembles a top defender at this level. Lynch hasnt had to up his game.....hudson has helped him, he says so himself! Would i offer him a new deal? Probably not, but we have seen with our own eyes over the last 2 yrs how we havent had anybody any better to come in. Wallace was truly dreadful and crainie ok but no more than that. A new cb and left back are massive priorities imho. You'll have to remind me which is my latest love child ( or 'player i rate' to use an adult phrase) . What do you expect Lynch to say if hes asked a question? Interviewer- Joel, has playing alongside Hudson helped you develop your game? Joel Lynch- Yes, because hes so f*cking slow and past it Im having to carry him through every game and i feel its really improved my game as a result. Don't include me in your 'we have seen' claim. Both Wallace and especially Cranie are better than Hudson. Claiming Wallace was truly dreadful is a good example of a jaundiced view. He had some lousy games, but he also had some really good games too- more than Hudsons ever managed in a Town shirt. And he was improving, not getting gradually worse. Hudson did ok last night in a game he didn't have that much to do.
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Mar 9, 2016 15:00:11 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 9, 2016 15:00:11 GMT 1
To say that Lynch has played less than Hudson over the last 2 seasons I don't think it's a long shot to say that our 'top class defender' has been responsible for more individual mistakes that have led to goals than the 'liability' Hudson.
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Mar 9, 2016 16:22:42 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 16:22:42 GMT 1
To say that Lynch has played less than Hudson over the last 2 seasons I don't think it's a long shot to say that our 'top class defender' has been responsible for more individual mistakes that have led to goals than the 'liability' Hudson. ?? Hes been responsible for more costly mistakes because he's been out injured more?? Is that what the stats are saying now?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 9, 2016 16:30:00 GMT 1
To say that Lynch has played less than Hudson over the last 2 seasons I don't think it's a long shot to say that our 'top class defender' has been responsible for more individual mistakes that have led to goals than the 'liability' Hudson. ?? Hes been responsible for more costly mistakes because he's been out injured more?? Is that what the stats are saying now? Forgive my lack of punctuation on a forum. In simple terms - It wouldn't surprise me to find that mistakes by Lynch have directly led to more opposition goals, than mistakes by Hudson, despite Hudson playing more games in the last 2 seasons. But I can't be arsed checking and debating with someone whose eyes tell him that Hudson is the slowest professional footballer they have ever seen!
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Mar 9, 2016 16:43:21 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 16:43:21 GMT 1
Ok. But you expect me to be arsed to debate with someone who's eyes haven't seen what theyre giving opinions about? Statistically, who's likely to be nearer the mark? The bloke who's seen the player play or the guy who hasn't?
Slower player than hudson?... You'll have to help me out because I genuinely can't think of one.
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Mar 9, 2016 16:51:18 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 9, 2016 16:51:18 GMT 1
Ok. But you expect me to be arsed to debate with someone who's eyes haven't seen what theyre giving opinions about? Statistically, who's likely to be nearer the mark? The bloke who's seen the player play or the guy who hasn't? Slower player than hudson?... You'll have to help me out because I genuinely can't think of one. So, now you're telling me that I haven't seen Hudson play - Ok if you say so! Hell the warm ups these days have more intensity than some matches I saw in the 70's.
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Mar 9, 2016 17:00:08 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 17:00:08 GMT 1
How many games you been to though? I mean to come to the conclusion Lynch may have made more costly errors than Hudson these last 2 years?
And I didn't realise we were going as far back as the 70s to find a player slower than Hudson! Ok, who we having from back then?
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Mar 9, 2016 17:29:23 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 9, 2016 17:29:23 GMT 1
How many games you been to though? I mean to come to the conclusion Lynch may have made more costly errors than Hudson these last 2 years? And I didn't realise we were going as far back as the 70s to find a player slower than Hudson! Ok, who we having from back then? Folk are allowed trips back to the UK, you know I wasn't deported! Last season I went to around 10 games, saw about a dozen or more others streamed live and have seen the club player highlights of every match this season and last, including visiting the opposition sites that show a repeat the full game. Currently Brighton, Fulham, Cardiff, Derby, Burnley, L666s, Hull, Blackburn, QPR, Bolton and Sheff Wed provide the full match on their official sites. I certainly didn't do that before I emigrated, I probably see more Town minutes now than many seasons when I was based in Huddersfield with my season ticket. My 'player' subscription continues to be my best yearly investment, though the wife will hardly agree If pressed, I think the slowest Town player I ever saw would be Chris Topping. If you think that "Hudson is the slowest professional footballer you've ever seen" your words not mine, any debate is pointless because I think that statement on its own is ridiculous.
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Mar 9, 2016 18:11:04 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 18:11:04 GMT 1
Why is it ridiculous? I saw Topping play once or twice but can't really remember how slow he was. It was 36 years ago. Hudson IS the slowest player I can remember ever seeing. Im not exaggerating, he genuinely is. The Wednesday fan I took to the Wolves game said the same thing.
Youve surely seen enough games then to know better than to think Hudson has cost us fewer goals than Lynch!! Thing about Hudson is he doesn't make many obvious blunders that lead to goals- its just a steady stream of poor defending that costs- being beaten by pace, being beaten in the air, being turned easily, giving away silly free kicks in dangerous places because its all he can do to not be turned etc etc. And it really is a steady stream. Im sure he was a really good player in his day. But hes a liability now IMO.
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Hudson
Mar 9, 2016 19:07:48 GMT 1
Post by shawsie on Mar 9, 2016 19:07:48 GMT 1
That is such a jaundiced view capn....hudson played well again last night and regularly mops up in our penalty area with good interceptions and blocks. Also, you cant bemoan others using stats when you used to use them all the time in respect of your love child........! Nobody would disagree that hudson is past his best and not the quickest, but you seem to point out all his faults and not recognise some of the value he adds, not least of which has been the colossal improvement in lynch who now resembles a top defender at this level. Lynch hasnt had to up his game.....hudson has helped him, he says so himself! Would i offer him a new deal? Probably not, but we have seen with our own eyes over the last 2 yrs how we havent had anybody any better to come in. Wallace was truly dreadful and crainie ok but no more than that. A new cb and left back are massive priorities imho. You'll have to remind me which is my latest love child ( or 'player i rate' to use an adult phrase) . What do you expect Lynch to say if hes asked a question? Interviewer- Joel, has playing alongside Hudson helped you develop your game? Joel Lynch- Yes, because hes so f*cking slow and past it Im having to carry him through every game and i feel its really improved my game as a result. Don't include me in your 'we have seen' claim. Both Wallace and especially Cranie are better than Hudson. Claiming Wallace was truly dreadful is a good example of a jaundiced view. He had some lousy games, but he also had some really good games too- more than Hudsons ever managed in a Town shirt. And he was improving, not getting gradually worse. Hudson did ok last night in a game he didn't have that much to do. Well you've had a few love children to be honest.....and none of em were anything to write home about.....worthy, n Clarke, Gerrard to name but three. Ah, so Hudson did alright because he didn't have much to do?! Perhaps that's because he was in the right positions to deal with things efficiently. Are you really saying Wallace wasn't dreadful?! He left to go to a team threatened with relegation to league 2! He was simply not good enough at this level and to say Hudson was/is worse is simply ridiculous. Crainie was excellent last night I agree.......but he's not beckenbauer and has made some costly errors himself. For a free transfer though the lad has done really well.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:20:31 GMT 1
Post by 52bob on Mar 9, 2016 19:20:31 GMT 1
How many games you been to though? I mean to come to the conclusion Lynch may have made more costly errors than Hudson these last 2 years? And I didn't realise we were going as far back as the 70s to find a player slower than Hudson! Ok, who we having from back then? Curiously, two World Cup winners come to mind. Per Mertesacker and Bobby Moore.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:31:58 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 19:31:58 GMT 1
Why is any opposing view 'ridiculous' ? Do you really have such a high opinion of yourself mate?
And why is any player I like my 'love child'? All 3 of those were good players for this club- whether you want to write home about them or not, they were each amongst the best we had at the time. Im not going to apologies for liking our better players.
Wallace was faster than Hudson ( by a lot) , far more mobile, and stronger in the air than Hudson. He was very young and had plenty of time to improve with experience. He had some really good games for us, not just bad ones- so to suggest he was better option than a painfully slow player, who can't jump and is in the last throws of his career, is ridiculous? Don't be soft.
And yeah Hudson was ok last night. he didn't have much to do against a side not that interested in attacking us but what he had to he did ok.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:33:17 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 9, 2016 19:33:17 GMT 1
How many games you been to though? I mean to come to the conclusion Lynch may have made more costly errors than Hudson these last 2 years? And I didn't realise we were going as far back as the 70s to find a player slower than Hudson! Ok, who we having from back then? Curiously, two World Cup winners come to mind. Per Mertesacker and Bobby Moore. Moores a bit before my time, but my money would be on Mertesacker all day long in a race with hudson.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:38:07 GMT 1
Post by monkbar on Mar 9, 2016 19:38:07 GMT 1
Curiously, two World Cup winners come to mind. Per Mertesacker and Bobby Moore. Moores a bit before my time, but my money would be on Mertesacker all day long in a race with hudson. Lee Makel. Slowest footballer ever.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:52:03 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 9, 2016 19:52:03 GMT 1
stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games. Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. he makes a good foil for Nahki up front tho. Many of the above comments were highlighted on D A T M when town signed Hudson , and were highlighted weaknesses in Hudson's game they were mentioned by my Cardiff City supporting friends. . There is no doubt though that Hudson's performances have vastly improved under Wagner, but surely he needs replacing next season if town are to progress. Maybe a good idea to give him another season as back up , and later offered a role in providing vital knowledge and experience for the academy players. There is no doubt that Hudson was quality in his early days ,but similar can be said for my 1970s ford cortina.
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Mar 10, 2016 0:20:31 GMT 1
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 10, 2016 0:20:31 GMT 1
Bring back Gerrard!!!! An embarrassment to his profession!
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Mar 10, 2016 0:36:24 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 10, 2016 0:36:24 GMT 1
Get over it Pete. He was our best defender for a couple of years but hes gone. Move on lad.
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Mar 10, 2016 1:56:36 GMT 1
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stats stats stats doc. If you were able to actually watch the games you wouldn't rely on them the way you do IMO. Ive no idea how anyone can watch Hudson and think he is anything but a liability most games. Hudson is indeed the slowest player Ive ever seen. I genuinely can't think of another one whos been slower or less mobile and that includes Boothy is his last throws when he couldn't bend his knees! Its actually embarrassing how slow he is.. how he can't jump off the floor without a big run up.. how it takes him an age to turn around. Id be amazed if targeting him isn't a major part of every opposition side we plays tactics. On the floor, in the air... Hes one short of being the most booked player in the division and every one of them is the same- the ref finally loses patience with him rugby tackling his opponent to the floor after hes been spun for the umpteenth time. the only positives I can think of about this player is that he probably has a good effect off the pitch with his attitude and that Lynch has had to up his game to new levels to carry him, and weve ended up with one of the best CBs in the championship as a result. That is such a jaundiced view capn....hudson played well again last night and regularly mops up in our penalty area with good interceptions and blocks. Also, you cant bemoan others using stats when you used to use them all the time in respect of your love child........! Nobody would disagree that hudson is past his best and not the quickest, but you seem to point out all his faults and not recognise some of the value he adds, not least of which has been the colossal improvement in lynch who now resembles a top defender at this level. Lynch hasnt had to up his game.....hudson has helped him, he says so himself! Would i offer him a new deal? Probably not, but we have seen with our own eyes over the last 2 yrs how we havent had anybody any better to come in. Wallace was truly dreadful and crainie ok but no more than that. A new cb and left back are massive priorities imho. I think you've put that quite well shawsie. But my concern is that the club wants to keep him beyond this season. We must improve significantly on Hudson in order to progress. It sounds like he's a good captain, he usually reads the game well and does make some good interceptions. But I just don't think this can possibly compensate for his chronic lack of mobility, uselessness in the air and dire passing ability.
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Mar 10, 2016 19:07:27 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 10, 2016 19:07:27 GMT 1
Hang on! You've just agreed with shawsie who's arguing with me, and then pretty much repeated what Ive been saying!! Youre like a double agent!
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Mar 11, 2016 0:35:47 GMT 1
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 11, 2016 0:35:47 GMT 1
Get over it Pete. He was our best defender for a couple of years but hes gone. Move on lad. Better than Lynch, are you sure lad?
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Mar 11, 2016 0:46:05 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Mar 11, 2016 0:46:05 GMT 1
Well the first year Lynch barely played cos he couldn't get in the team, and the second year, yes he was. He came 2nd after Clayton in the POTS poll that year and was head and shoulders our best defender.
Lynch has moved onto a higher level now if that helps.
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Mar 11, 2016 12:08:35 GMT 1
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 11, 2016 12:08:35 GMT 1
Yeah it does, cheers.
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Mar 11, 2016 17:05:11 GMT 1
Post by doggusdave on Mar 11, 2016 17:05:11 GMT 1
I record all towns goals, for and against , from sky sports, and using slow motion facility watch to see who, if anyone was at fault. Also, I also look at each defender in turn and ask could they have done more, or something different, that may have prevented the goal Last season Smith and Hudson were the biggest culprits for what they did , or in some cases what they didn't do. This season the most regular culprits are Hudson and Davison/Chillwell/Husband. Smith has improved significantly since Wagners appointment, but as yet is not the finished article imo, but I am hoping he will continue to improve. There have been individual errors that have led to goals, Hogg and Lynch recent examples but they are not recurring offenders. Replacing Hudson this summer is the No1 priority in my opinion, but I think he should get a one year contract so we have back up. Also, because if we let him go we would need 2 centre backs, and that would kill our transfer budget. Captainslapper is not that far off the mark about how slow Hudson is now, and he is likely to get even slower over the next 12 months. His fellow defenders are not helped trying to cover his deficiencies, they need to concentrate on their own roles.
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Mar 12, 2016 18:05:12 GMT 1
Post by Torquayterrier on Mar 12, 2016 18:05:12 GMT 1
Stats probably didn't do Hudson any favours today either I expect.
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