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Post by JollyGreenGiant on Mar 6, 2016 11:18:58 GMT 1
I know we have had threads before and I know I have only watched the highlights but, apart from the second goal, every chance for Derby came through Hudson. He was either too slow, couldn't turn, couldn't jump or couldn't tackle.
Now I am sure he is a nice guy, and, was a good player. But surely he is now past it and isn't good enough for us. So why we are in contract talks I don't know.
His distribution is not good either and in the Brave New Wagner World he is not going to get a game.
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Mar 6, 2016 11:23:43 GMT 1
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Mar 6, 2016 11:32:20 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 6, 2016 11:32:20 GMT 1
Defending is a team game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 11:50:49 GMT 1
If we're to progress I think us fans have stop distinguishing between individual performances and team performances. Wagner has got the boys playing as more of a team than I've ever known, and so we should back this idea. If we can celebrate winning as a team, then we should at least afford our boys the opportunity to lose as a team. It's so much more constructive.
Get behind the boys, all goals conceded are in the name of Huddersfield Town. Not Hudson, Lynch, Smith or Steer. The goals we score are team goals.
Fan support in this new era is so important. Look at the patience of Leicester fans as their team slowly breaks down opposition. We'll experience that next season. Teams will have to sit back when we're at home. But those moments when the stadium erupts during the quiet periods can spur the boys on.
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Mar 6, 2016 11:55:19 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Mar 6, 2016 11:55:19 GMT 1
I want him to stop on. It's only my opinion but Clarke had another season in him here when we let him go.
I think the same goes for Hudson, if not two (and I was done with him under the last Manager!).
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Mar 6, 2016 12:13:18 GMT 1
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Mar 6, 2016 12:13:18 GMT 1
Well according to his interview pre-derby negotiations are going well for a new contract for him.. So you're going to be disappointed.
Wagner seems to trust him and sees him as a starter alongside Lynch, so wonder what will happen as most seem to think he's not up to it for where we want to be. Perhaps this contract is on reduced terms and we will hopefully get a new starter, Hudson would be a great option off the bench/for rotation IMO.
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Mar 6, 2016 12:18:48 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 12:18:48 GMT 1
My biggest issue with him is his lack of attempt at jumping for headers. Some on here say it is because he is clever and reads the flight better yet don't explain why he gets beaten way too often by smaller players.
The whole time I've been watching Town we've never had two quality centre halves together. At the moment we've one in Lynch and if we can find another to play alongside him then we could be on to something good. I'd keep Hudson on as back up and for his impact in the dressing room
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Mar 6, 2016 12:30:13 GMT 1
Post by softboy on Mar 6, 2016 12:30:13 GMT 1
One of the reasons he seems to get caught out (and Cranie yesterday) is that when we attack its all guns blazzing leave a huge gap between the forwards/attacking midfielders and back four - Lynch has a bit of pace and can take a chance on pushing up into the gap wheras Hudson tends to try & hold the attack up waiting for midfielders to come back. And therefore gets exposed.
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Mar 6, 2016 12:44:41 GMT 1
Post by captainblack on Mar 6, 2016 12:44:41 GMT 1
My biggest issue with him is his lack of attempt at jumping for headers. Some on here say it is because he is clever and reads the flight better yet don't explain why he gets beaten way too often by smaller players. The whole time I've been watching Town we've never had two quality centre halves together. At the moment we've one in Lynch and if we can find another to play alongside him then we could be on to something good. I'd keep Hudson on as back up and for his impact in the dressing room Hopefully Offtopic within a few weeks we will be safe from any fears of relegation and DW may be able to experiment with different formations and team selections. I would personally try pairing Smith with lynch in the centre of defence for a period of time and either get in a loan at right back who we could possibly purchase in the summer or give more game time to Dempsey. I am not saying that Hudson is finished at Town but like every professional footballer he would have to fight for a place in the team. I would not say offering Hudson another contract would be an altogether bad thing at all though he may not be a first choice in Town's side next season. I suppose we will find out Hudson's future in the close season.
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Mar 6, 2016 13:00:16 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 6, 2016 13:00:16 GMT 1
My biggest issue with him is his lack of attempt at jumping for headers. Some on here say it is because he is clever and reads the flight better yet don't explain why he gets beaten way too often by smaller players. The whole time I've been watching Town we've never had two quality centre halves together. At the moment we've one in Lynch and if we can find another to play alongside him then we could be on to something good. I'd keep Hudson on as back up and for his impact in the dressing room Hopefully Offtopic within a few weeks we will be safe from any fears of relegation and DW may be able to experiment with different formations and team selections. I would personally try pairing Smith with lynch in the centre of defence for a period of time and either get in a loan at right back who we could possibly purchase in the summer or give more game time to Dempsey. I am not saying that Hudson is finished at Town but like every professional footballer he would have to fight for a place in the team. I would not say offering Hudson another contract would be an altogether bad thing at all though he may not be a first choice in Town's side next season. I suppose we will find out Hudson's future in the close season. That's a good idea giving Smith and Lynch a go. Whatever anyone thinks of Hudson or defending as a team - its something we need to do better both individually and as a team! I'd be astonished if we didn't bring in at least 2 quality defenders in the summer. I think DW is always going to stick with the 4-2-3-1 though.
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Mar 6, 2016 14:12:26 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:12:26 GMT 1
My biggest issue with him is his lack of attempt at jumping for headers. Some on here say it is because he is clever and reads the flight better yet don't explain why he gets beaten way too often by smaller players. The whole time I've been watching Town we've never had two quality centre halves together. At the moment we've one in Lynch and if we can find another to play alongside him then we could be on to something good. I'd keep Hudson on as back up and for his impact in the dressing room
The last paragraph got me rattling my brain regarding having two really good centre halves playing together for us.
Am sorry to say it is probably over 30 years ago when we had Big Sam and Paul Jones.
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Mar 6, 2016 14:15:37 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Mar 6, 2016 14:15:37 GMT 1
My biggest issue with him is his lack of attempt at jumping for headers. Some on here say it is because he is clever and reads the flight better yet don't explain why he gets beaten way too often by smaller players. The whole time I've been watching Town we've never had two quality centre halves together. At the moment we've one in Lynch and if we can find another to play alongside him then we could be on to something good. I'd keep Hudson on as back up and for his impact in the dressing room
The last paragraph got me rattling my brain regarding having two really good centre halves playing together for us.
Am sorry to say it is probably over 30 years ago when we had Big Sam and Paul Jones.
Can you remember when somebody Hopkins, was it Jeff broke Burke's leg and big Sam lost it, big time. Awful challenge, you heard it snap in the big main terrace.
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Post by terrier10 on Mar 6, 2016 14:15:37 GMT 1
Although not for a very long period together, Monkou and Lucketti weren't a bad partnership.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 6, 2016 14:17:26 GMT 1
He might be worth another year but only as back up. We need better if we are to really progress.
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Mar 6, 2016 14:19:25 GMT 1
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Post by upthetown on Mar 6, 2016 14:19:25 GMT 1
My biggest issue with him is his lack of attempt at jumping for headers. Some on here say it is because he is clever and reads the flight better yet don't explain why he gets beaten way too often by smaller players. The whole time I've been watching Town we've never had two quality centre halves together. At the moment we've one in Lynch and if we can find another to play alongside him then we could be on to something good. I'd keep Hudson on as back up and for his impact in the dressing room
The last paragraph got me rattling my brain regarding having two really good centre halves playing together for us.
Am sorry to say it is probably over 30 years ago when we had Big Sam and Paul Jones.
Sinnott and Scully? Monkou and Lucketti? Morrison and Gray?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:20:33 GMT 1
Get rid. Too slow, poor in the air and a liability on the ball. Would be madness to give him another year. His wages would be best used elsewhere.
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Post by terrier17 on Mar 6, 2016 15:18:56 GMT 1
I want him to stop on. It's only my opinion but Clarke had another season in him here when we let him go. I think the same goes for Hudson, if not two (and I was done with him under the last Manager!). He's 34 next and you seriously think we should give him 2 more years?! He's slow, poor in the air, gets caught out too much on the break due to his mobility and his distribution is woeful to say the least. As well as that, the only leader I see on the pitch is dean whitehead. There has got to be better defenders out there, probably on less wages than Hudson!
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Mar 6, 2016 15:29:15 GMT 1
Post by zoso on Mar 6, 2016 15:29:15 GMT 1
If we're to progress I think us fans have stop distinguishing between individual performances and team performances. Wagner has got the boys playing as more of a team than I've ever known, and so we should back this idea. If we can celebrate winning as a team, then we should at least afford our boys the opportunity to lose as a team. It's so much more constructive. Get behind the boys, all goals conceded are in the name of Huddersfield Town. Not Hudson, Lynch, Smith or Steer. The goals we score are team goals. Fan support in this new era is so important. Look at the patience of Leicester fans as their team slowly breaks down opposition. We'll experience that next season. Teams will have to sit back when we're at home. But those moments when the stadium erupts during the quiet periods can spur the boys on. Good post Utt.
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Mar 6, 2016 15:44:38 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 15:44:38 GMT 1
The last paragraph got me rattling my brain regarding having two really good centre halves playing together for us.
Am sorry to say it is probably over 30 years ago when we had Big Sam and Paul Jones.
Sinnott and Scully? Monkou and Lucketti? Morrison and Gray?
I don't think I would ever have Sinnot, Scully and Gray down as quality centre halves, Average perhaps.
Monkou and Mad Morison always seemed to be injured and Lucketti tarnished my memories of him when he returned to toss it off and top his pension up.
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Mar 6, 2016 16:11:11 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 6, 2016 16:11:11 GMT 1
I wouldn't be giving him another year personally
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Mar 6, 2016 17:02:46 GMT 1
Post by terrierpark on Mar 6, 2016 17:02:46 GMT 1
I wouldnt either but still now we know why we apparently dont need a ctre back ( that many of us have felt was required for over a year).
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Mar 6, 2016 17:19:53 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 6, 2016 17:19:53 GMT 1
The problem we are witnessing at the moment is inconsistency in both player and team performance, and there can be little room for error at championship level if the club wants to progress to a higher level.
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Mar 6, 2016 17:51:38 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Mar 6, 2016 17:51:38 GMT 1
I want him to stop on. It's only my opinion but Clarke had another season in him here when we let him go. I think the same goes for Hudson, if not two (and I was done with him under the last Manager!). He's 34 next and you seriously think we should give him 2 more years?! He's slow, poor in the air, gets caught out too much on the break due to his mobility and his distribution is woeful to say the least. As well as that, the only leader I see on the pitch is dean whitehead. There has got to be better defenders out there, probably on less wages than Hudson! Fair point Terrier re two years. 12 months though definitely.
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Mar 6, 2016 18:05:30 GMT 1
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Post by leroy212 on Mar 6, 2016 18:05:30 GMT 1
Don't see any harm in giving him 12 more months. Can help bring on some of the youngsters
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Post by benhomly on Mar 6, 2016 18:06:02 GMT 1
I know we have had threads before and I know I have only watched the highlights but, apart from the second goal, every chance for Derby came through Hudson. He was either too slow, couldn't turn, couldn't jump or couldn't tackle. Now I am sure he is a nice guy, and, was a good player. But surely he is now past it and isn't good enough for us. So why we are in contract talks I don't know. His distribution is not good either and in the Brave New Wagner World he is not going to get a game. Discuss So just to be clear, the only chances created by a side with over £25m of talent on the pitch were down to Hudson and not Derby? Wow if only we could replace him we'd run away with this league next season.
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 6, 2016 18:20:36 GMT 1
I wouldnt either but still now we know why we apparently dont need a ctre back ( that many of us have felt was required for over a year). YAWN
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Mar 6, 2016 18:41:54 GMT 1
Post by y2troy on Mar 6, 2016 18:41:54 GMT 1
We cant keep pinning individual things on players , one thread its Wells and goals , then its Davidson and his side been weak and this thread Hudson at fault . I understand everyone deserves and opinion and that is what football is all about, but also a word support means , for the club and anyone who pulls on the shirt for our club if we like them or not we should always try encourage and cheer on .
The goals against Derby ,the 1st the cross could have been stopped at source as Martin is good in the air and a cross coming in against any defender if the cross is good enough and got half decent striker is gonna get an attempt on goal . The second goal there was about 3 defenders rushing out to block but problem there was he had so much space in the first place to get the shot off .
We win as a team we lose as a team ( when we win no scapegoats when we lose take ur pick .
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Mar 6, 2016 18:43:39 GMT 1
Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 6, 2016 18:43:39 GMT 1
If we want to move into this new era positively with a team that can really push us up the league Hudson can't be at the heart of the defence. We can't afford to have weak links
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Mar 6, 2016 18:58:42 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 6, 2016 18:58:42 GMT 1
we can play with Hudson in the heart of defence, dependant on where Hudson is in relation to everyone else trying to defend. Its not who we have playing a lot of the time, its where and how we try to play that is the problem..
when we drop a bollox, as everyone does from time to time, we drop a right big one far too close to our goal..thats all..
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Post by ACW on Mar 6, 2016 20:04:01 GMT 1
Although not for a very long period together, Monkou and Lucketti weren't a bad partnership. I was thinking of them too. And when we played that great football under Bruce we had Dyson and Gray at back. Think they came in when Lucketti was injured and despite both being limited players, particularly with the ball at their feet (and, as someone once said, I've seen milk turn quicker than Gray!), they were integral parts of the best team I've seen at Town.
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