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Post by Giggity on Mar 12, 2016 18:08:36 GMT 1
He played well on Tuesday night but today his 'defending' that led to the corner for their third goal was embarrassing. Played like he had sunk 12 pints the night before.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 12, 2016 18:15:46 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner.
But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently.
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Post by Giggity on Mar 12, 2016 18:22:19 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner. But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently. 1st goal - Burnley drop a corner into the 6 yard box which Mee heads back for Whitehead to clear for a corner underneath his crossbar. Burnley score from the resulting corner. 2nd goal - Burnley cross the ball into the 6 yard box for Vokes to tap in. 3rd goal - Burnley cross into the 6 yard box for Mee to head home (massive cock up by Hudson who twice had the chance to clear led to the corner). Bit of a common theme there. Steer was useless today. Rooted to his line and could not command his 6 yard box.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Mar 12, 2016 18:25:13 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner. But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently. Agree with this, watched the match on TV and Cranie was definately more of a liability. We looked like conceding from every set piece and the only reason we didn't is the law of averages that it didn't fall for them. It's been a long time since Boothy used to park himself at the front and block everything from getting anywhere near the danger area.
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Mar 12, 2016 18:26:11 GMT 1
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 12, 2016 18:26:11 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner. But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently. 1st goal - Burnley drop a corner into the 6 yard box which Mee heads back for Whitehead to clear for a corner underneath his crossbar. Burnley score from the resulting corner. 2nd goal - Burnley cross the ball into the 6 yard box for Vokes to tap in. 3rd goal - Burnley cross into the 6 yard box for Mee to head home (massive cock up by Hudson who twice had the chance to clear led to the corner). Bit of a common theme there. Steer was useless today. Rooted to his line and could not command his 6 yard box. I noticed after both the second and third goals Steer was laid on his back in the six yard box as the ball nestled into the net.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 18:28:31 GMT 1
If I were in charge (heaven forbid), Hudson wouldn't get a playing contract at the end of the season and Cranie would be 3rd choice centre back/2nd choice full back.
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Mar 12, 2016 18:29:30 GMT 1
Post by Giggity on Mar 12, 2016 18:29:30 GMT 1
1st goal - Burnley drop a corner into the 6 yard box which Mee heads back for Whitehead to clear for a corner underneath his crossbar. Burnley score from the resulting corner. 2nd goal - Burnley cross the ball into the 6 yard box for Vokes to tap in. 3rd goal - Burnley cross into the 6 yard box for Mee to head home (massive cock up by Hudson who twice had the chance to clear led to the corner). Bit of a common theme there. Steer was useless today. Rooted to his line and could not command his 6 yard box. I noticed after both the second and third goals Steer was laid on his back in the six yard box as the ball nestled into the net. Smithies would have got slated for that. We need a commanding keeper with a presence. Someone to take the pressure of the defence at corners and free kicks. Murphy would be my first choice for now. Not seen anything from Steer that has impressed me. Doesn't excel at anything.
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Post by impact on Mar 12, 2016 18:59:14 GMT 1
Hudson was poor today. Cranie was worse. The latter was at fault for the first 2 goals IMO and also had a chance to clear the ball before the 3rd before Hudson cocked ot up twice.
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 12, 2016 19:24:52 GMT 1
I would not lay the blame at any one defender as all four were abysmal today. What it should do is pose the question should we give Hudson another contract given that he is not better than average now and a year down the line he will be even slower than he is now. You can't really blame Steer as his defence did nothing to protect him today..
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Post by impact on Mar 12, 2016 19:25:38 GMT 1
I would not lay the blame at any one defender as all four were abysmal today. What it should do is pose the question should we give Hudson another contract given that he is not better than average now and a year down the line he will be even slower than he is now. You can't really blame Steer as his defence did nothing to protect him today.. I thought Smith had a decent game actually.
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 12, 2016 19:27:23 GMT 1
Smith ? Not from where I was sat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:49:09 GMT 1
Ok. But you expect me to be arsed to debate with someone who's eyes haven't seen what theyre giving opinions about? Statistically, who's likely to be nearer the mark? The bloke who's seen the player play or the guy who hasn't? Slower player than hudson?... You'll have to help me out because I genuinely can't think of one. Eddie Youds v Mark Hudson would be a close encounter. I can't think of anyone else on a par though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:51:43 GMT 1
Moores a bit before my time, but my money would be on Mertesacker all day long in a race with hudson. Lee Makel. Slowest footballer ever. But he never ran so how would you know?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:54:46 GMT 1
Hang on! You've just agreed with shawsie who's arguing with me, and then pretty much repeated what Ive been saying!! Youre like a double agent! Haha I though he made a convincing case - I was almost swayed but then I remembered how shit Hudson was and I recovered!
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Post by wtd on Mar 12, 2016 19:58:48 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner. But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently. Lot of truth in that. However, dress it up whichever way you like, Hudson's part in giving away the corner before half time was embarrassing. He is not the future (neither is Cranie) therefore let's address this problem sooner rather than later.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 12, 2016 20:05:20 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner. But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently. Lot of truth in that. However, dress it up whichever way you like, Hudson's part in giving away the corner before half time was embarrassing. He is not the future (neither is Cranie) therefore let's address this problem sooner rather than later. Cranie did start the embarrassing defending for the concession of the corner that led to the third, I just think that Hudson is an easy target and IMO he wasn't at fault for the concession of any of the goals. I totally agree with the sentiment of moving forward without today's CB pairing, I sincerely hope that one of the winter window four is a tough uncompromising German centre back who is comfortable on the ball to play alongside Lynch.
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Mar 12, 2016 20:06:26 GMT 1
Post by terrierpark on Mar 12, 2016 20:06:26 GMT 1
Yes lets offer him a new contract we dont need more quality than this absolute titan of a defender. Fetch me the rifle if he was a racehorse he'd have been shot
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Post by wtd on Mar 12, 2016 20:13:37 GMT 1
Lot of truth in that. However, dress it up whichever way you like, Hudson's part in giving away the corner before half time was embarrassing. He is not the future (neither is Cranie) therefore let's address this problem sooner rather than later. Cranie did start the embarrassing defending for the concession of the corner that led to the third, I just think that Hudson is an easy target and IMO he wasn't at fault for the concession of any of the goals.I totally agree with the sentiment of moving forward without today's CB pairing, I sincerely hope that one of the winter window four is a tough uncompromising German centre back who is comfortable on the ball to play alongside Lynch. He was. Giving away that stupid corner was part of the reason we conceded the third.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 12, 2016 20:13:55 GMT 1
Hudson had a shocker. Crainie had a shocker Steer had a shocker.
You can't have that playing the table toppers in any league. To be fair I don't think the full backs were too bad and lolley and Paterson tried hard. The rest were bang average and that doesn't get you results against Bolton never mind burnley.
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Post by impact on Mar 12, 2016 20:15:48 GMT 1
Cranie did start the embarrassing defending for the concession of the corner that led to the third, I just think that Hudson is an easy target and IMO he wasn't at fault for the concession of any of the goals.I totally agree with the sentiment of moving forward without today's CB pairing, I sincerely hope that one of the winter window four is a tough uncompromising German centre back who is comfortable on the ball to play alongside Lynch. He was. Giving away that stupid corner was part of the reason we conceded the third. Partly, yes. There is also the question of how they managed to get a free header 2 yards out with the front man missing his header and the keeper nowhere.
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Mar 12, 2016 20:15:54 GMT 1
Post by H7 on Mar 12, 2016 20:15:54 GMT 1
Hudson was poor today. Cranie was worse. The latter was at fault for the first 2 goals IMO and also had a chance to clear the ball before the 3rd before Hudson cocked ot up twice. Not sure how cranie is at fault for goal 2... He has gray tight against the touch line, Davidson then also decides to go to the ball and let's Boyd sail past him unmarked ...
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Post by wtd on Mar 12, 2016 20:19:54 GMT 1
He was. Giving away that stupid corner was part of the reason we conceded the third. Partly, yes. There is also the question of how they managed to get a free header 2 yards out with the front man missing his header and the keeper nowhere. Absolutely
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 12, 2016 20:26:00 GMT 1
Cranie did start the embarrassing defending for the concession of the corner that led to the third, I just think that Hudson is an easy target and IMO he wasn't at fault for the concession of any of the goals.I totally agree with the sentiment of moving forward without today's CB pairing, I sincerely hope that one of the winter window four is a tough uncompromising German centre back who is comfortable on the ball to play alongside Lynch. He was. Giving away that stupid corner was part of the reason we conceded the third. I can see your point but if we had done our jobs properly from the corner it would have been irrelevant. Giving away a corner should NEVER mean that you are giving away a goal. As embarrassing as the concession of the corner was, the shocking 'defending' from the corner was far more costly.
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Post by wtd on Mar 12, 2016 20:30:22 GMT 1
He was. Giving away that stupid corner was part of the reason we conceded the third. I can see your point but if we had done our jobs properly from the corner it would have been irrelevant. Giving away a corner should NEVER mean that you are giving away a goal. As embarrassing as the concession of the corner was, the shocking 'defending' from the corner was far more costly. Giving away a corner in that manner, at that late stage in the half, having just given ourselves a lifeline seconds previously, was criminal. I understand where you are coming fro re defending the corner, but make no mistake, we went in at half time 3-1 down because Cranie and Hudson f***** it up.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 12, 2016 20:37:09 GMT 1
Hudson seems to be the first name on the teamsheet and is in talks to extend his contract, so anyone expecting Wagner to start with Cranie and Lynch is going to be disappointed. A lot of scapegoating of Hudson, but despite Cranie looking better on the ball he is absoloutely as soft as shit against anyone with a bit of physical presence. Fear the worst next week against Antenucci and Doukara / Wood, despite none of them being great footballers they'll definitely be up for bullying our centre halves.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Mar 12, 2016 20:38:55 GMT 1
Hudsons defending for the second was awful. Instead of trying to tackle Boyd, stop the cross or get into a decent position to protect the front post he just saunters back into the box without achieving anything.
On the whole though he has not been too bad since Wagner came in.
Burnley knew what they were doing. Vokes went up against crainie and won every header and the fast grey went up against the slow Hudson.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 12, 2016 22:53:15 GMT 1
Cranie and Hudson were both crap first half. Thats unusual for Cranie, who's generally pretty good, but just standard stuff from Hudson.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 12, 2016 22:57:28 GMT 1
Cranie and Hudson were both crap first half. Thats unusual for Cranie, who's generally pretty good, but just standard stuff from Hudson. They were both crap, sadly for crainie its a common theme against physicality. He is a neat tidy ball player but struggles against strength and height rather than pace.
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Post by wtd on Mar 12, 2016 23:04:59 GMT 1
Cranie and Hudson were both crap first half. Thats unusual for Cranie, who's generally pretty good, but just standard stuff from Hudson. They were both crap, sadly for crainie its a common theme against physicality. He is a neat tidy ball player but struggles against strength and height rather than pace. Neither of them should be starters next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:05:16 GMT 1
1st goal - Cranie outjumped in the 6 yard box from a corner, Burnley scorer reacts quickest to loose ball. 2nd goal - Cranie and Davidson outnumber Gray on touchline who feeds unmarked Boyd who plays cross between defender and keeper for Vokes to score. 3rd goal Smith allows his marker to get in front of him and score with header inside the 6 yard box from a corner. But it's Hudson who is at fault apparently. Lot of truth in that. However, dress it up whichever way you like, Hudson's part in giving away the corner before half time was embarrassing. He is not the future (neither is Cranie) therefore let's address this problem sooner rather than later. Its not so much about the individual errors for me. Hypothetically if we said for arguments sake that none of the goals happened to be Hudson's fault (which isn't true); it still doesn't excuse the fact that he doesn't jump, challenge convincingly for headers or run. He isn't good enough and even if he was, he doesn't fit in with the way we want to play. Retaining him for next season would be a mistake.
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