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Post by hypotenuse on Mar 19, 2023 14:35:35 GMT 1
Isaac Mbenza scored a few in his last season with us. Remember one at Boro. Was that the last one?
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 23, 2023 10:47:56 GMT 1
I think 50 points would just do it.Any less and be touch and go. Had a look through fixtures and I can see us possibly getting to 48(4 wins and 5 draws) Not sure if that would be enough tbh. That is exactly what I came up with. 4 wins and 5 draws (being very optimistic) but I think it will be just short of the 49 pts required. It only dawned on me yesterday that, of our remaining 14 fixtures, 11 are against the current top 12. Don’t think even NW will be able to keep us up - I’d give us no better than a 15% chance of staying up but that was below 10% after Stoke.
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 20, 2023 20:55:48 GMT 1
Fingers crossed for a points deduction. Every little helps 🤣 don’t Wigan have on coming into place at the end of the season? Or is it at the start of next season? Wasn’t that in 2019/20? 😀
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 19, 2023 22:11:41 GMT 1
That first game of the season was a bit of an outlier in some respects. Both teams coming into it off the back of a disappointing end to the season before, new Mgrs and personnel changes. Although we didn’t play well, I didn’t think Burnley would have gone on to where they find themselves now. They’re obviously a good team, but once you get that belief in your system it also plays into the mindset of the opposition. I haven’t a clue how it’ll pan out of course, but if anyone can get our players to realise that they’re beatable, it’s Neil Warnock. As ever, it’ll be about the first goal. Even though Brum scored early on yesterday, we’d had the lions share of play up to that point, so there was no point in changing anything so early, we just kept on doing the same thing and the rewards came our way. A point would be a fantastic result for us, 3 points would be unbelievable… Burnley, even though we played appallingly, looked a superb team in that opening fixture - by a country mile the best team I’ve seen in the division this season.
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 19, 2023 22:03:04 GMT 1
Expected points from the below? Here’s my guess. Burnley Away - 0 Coventry home - 1 Bristol city home - 4 West Brom away - 4 Norwich home - 5 Millwall away - 6 Boro home - 7 warnock be up for that game for sure Watford away - 7 Blackburn home - 10 Swansea away - 11 Sunderland away - 12 Sheff united home - 13 Cardiff away - 16 Reading home - 19 Funnily enough takes us to the magic 50, the fixtures are brutal but there’s nobody better to get us there. With the possible exception of next week nothing unduly worrying there if we perform like we did yesterday. West Brom Norwich Millwall Boro Watford Blackburn Swansea Sunderland Sheff Utd 9 consecutive fixtures where we won’t pick up more than 5 points. Nothing to worry about there😂🤣 Yesterday’s xG was 1.13 to 2.24
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 19, 2023 11:43:51 GMT 1
Looking at the fixtures we have left, my personal opinion is this appointment is probably too little too late. I am however judging those fixtures based on how each team has looked so far, rather than maybe how things look going forward, and there's always a good smattering of shock results at the business end of any season. I do still firmly believe that, should we find ourselves safe after game 46, then this will rival any of the achievements that Warnock has had in his career. A good post. I tend to agree with you. I’m just hoping we give it a real go and don’t just roll over. I think we need at least 5 more wins but I can’t see us achieving that with the fixtures we have left. If Warnock kept us up, it would certainly rank as his greatest achievement and would be a greater achievement than our escapes in 1998 and 2020. (I still think nothing would beat our 12 wins in last 16 to stay up in 1993.)
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Post by hypotenuse on Feb 18, 2023 23:50:51 GMT 1
I’m delighted Forest got a point. There are very few teams I hate more than Forest but Man City are by a million miles my most hated team so I’m over the moon.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 20:51:54 GMT 1
Could/should have been 4 last night. A stat that interested me was zero corners or offsides for Town last night. It happens but interesting nonetheless. Interested to know how it might have been 4. Infogol had us on 0.43xG (the two goals were wonderful strikes rated as 5% and 3% respectively for 1st and 2nd goals) and I only remember one other half chance.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 17:03:57 GMT 1
10 points off a play off spot at the end of 12/13,,,11 when you factor in GD. Amazing when you think with 10 minutes of the season to go we were going down! It can be a chasm in terms of league position.. but its also only a short run of improved results... as Boro and WBA have demonstrated . Just noticed, if Luton had won their game in hand , they'd currently be 3rd. I agree with all you say but when you look at the squads Boro and WBA have, that was down to desperately poor managing rather than the ability of the squad. We have nothing like the strength or depth of squad to help us and I believe our manager is getting pretty close to the maximum out of the team at his disposal. If we stay up this season with the players we have available and the injuries we have suffered, it will rank as our greatest escape since the miracle of 1993.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 16:51:52 GMT 1
Always the crazy league , but this season is even crazier . 3 points separate Sunderland in 4th place and Preston in 14th. Still got my top half bet going at 25/1 , and noticed 250/1 for a top 6 finish (wonder how many Forest fans had that last season) ? I invested a 10p wager on top 6 finish , so the odds could have dropped considerably 😁 Though your optimism is commendable, I wouldn’t bet a penny that we’ll finish in the top 18 this season, never mind the top 12 or top 6.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 16:26:05 GMT 1
this time last season we were on 36 points and just in play offs.....exactly where we would be this year on exactly the same points. FYI. Another interesting stat, so basically from what was reported as a brilliant season against what’s is being reported as a shocking season (to date) is 11 points at the same stage. 3 wins and two draws. That right there is the Championship for you. 11 points is a chasm in the Championship. I think (though haven’t checked) that we were less than 11 points from the play offs when we nearly got relegated on the final day of the 2012/13 season
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 1:47:19 GMT 1
Gosh - strange how folk see things do differently from me. I hadn’t seen much of Boyle this season as I’ve missed quite a few games but I really don’t rate the lad. Plenty of heart and ok defensively but no idea what to do when the ball is at his feet and desperately lacking in pace. For anybody to say that (a fully fit) Pearson will find it hard to get back into this team is borderline insane. So would you play Pearson above Boyle on the left of a back three ? The other two aren’t going anywhere unless injured. I’d play Pearson (if fit) above any of our central defenders in any position. He’s a leader, can pass the ball better then any of our defenders, is a major threat from set pieces and has a heart like Peter Clarke.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 0:53:52 GMT 1
It was fairly obvious that he would have to have had a belting performance tonight to get some people off his back. He wasn’t great tonight, but he chose a couple of tough passes, and when they don’t come off it’s easy for some folk to say he’s shite. He’ll have a big part to play in 2023… I’m not generally critical of Thomas or any of the players generally but you are making excuses here. Shirking challenges, allowing opponents to go past him as if he weren’t there, offering nothing meaningful going forward is desperately poor. Just doing the basics or trying hard is all I ask but he was well short in every respect.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 0:48:54 GMT 1
I would never give any player stick during the match but Thomas was shocking this evening - hopefully just clearing some rust out of the system but he certainly wasn’t worth the jersey tonight. Was a massive down grade on Rudoni when he came on.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 0:41:55 GMT 1
I’m not really convinced he’s ready for the Championship- certainly not in a struggling side. I think he could benefit from some gym work- at the moment he’s too easily pushed off the ball. On the positive side I think he’s put in two improving performances over the last couple of games. A pretty fair assessment. He would look way better in a good side but may be a luxury in a struggling side. Thought some of his crosses this evening were superb but did seem to drift out of the game in the second half. On balance, a pretty impressive effort.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 0:36:17 GMT 1
Gosh - strange how folk see things do differently from me. I hadn’t seen much of Boyle this season as I’ve missed quite a few games but I really don’t rate the lad. Plenty of heart and ok defensively but no idea what to do when the ball is at his feet and desperately lacking in pace. For anybody to say that (a fully fit) Pearson will find it hard to get back into this team is borderline insane.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 0:32:24 GMT 1
Its another massive 3 points, and it just shows how far adrift we were getting that 2 wins on the bounce hasnt lifted us out of the bottom 3. It gives us a chance now, which a week ago we didnt look to have. It makes the Jan transfer window a big one, as I am not sure we have quite enough, especially in a couple of positions, but whether we strengthen or weaken the squad remains to be seen. Whatever happens though, we have to use the confidence from these 2 wins to push on. Its a bit ask for another 25 points, but they look a lot more attainable than they did at Christmas before we played Preston. Agree with all of this. We deserved the points tonight but I don’t believe our current squad is quite good enough to stay up. I know that there are all sorts of shenanigans going on in the background but if we could find a couple of good solid midfield players by freeing up some wages (Anjorin?) and get players like Turton and Pearson back, we might just do it. I’d say a 45% chance of staying up at this stage.
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 10, 2022 22:10:18 GMT 1
We played some brilliant football under Bruce during the first 2/3's of his first season. All went to sh*t when Stewart was sold, though. It'd have been interesting to see what Jacko could have achieved with the money Rubery splashed. Classic memory error made by many fans. We’d already gone downhill massively several weeks before that - I can well remember Charlton playing us off the park at the McAlpine in late December and being embarrassingly poor at Blackburn and Birmingham in January. We didn’t sell Stewart until February.
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 10, 2022 14:14:51 GMT 1
The narrative will always be the deluded and ungrateful Geordies giving him a hard time, as seen above, especially when he's 'statistically as good as Rafa', and some of the grief he gets from Newcastle fans, that you'll no doubt see on Twitter and other social media, may seem irrational to away fans, but he'll certainly go down as my least favourite manager ever. Always the victim, lies / exaggerations, shifting the blame, lowering expectations, trademark bingo cliche's, subtly criticising fans. I wrote this on another forum, so not wasting another 30 minutes of my life, but he really has been finished for a good few years now. Sacked at Villa for winning 3 of his first 11 matches of 2018/19 Championship season, and in the bottom half, despite having Abraham, Grealish, McGinn, and Bolasie at his disposal. Dean Smith comes in a week later and they get the promoted that same season :lol: www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/03-october-2018/Delays taking over at Sheff Wed so he can get watch some cricket, does OK there in his 18 matches there before leaving at the first opportunity for seemingly better things - a story of his managerial career. Takes over an improving Newcastle side who won 8 and drew 3 of their final 16 matches of the previous PL campaign, becoming hard to beat, creating an identity with a respected boss, finally a bit of togetherness, and then that's all thrown out of the window instantly. He spends over £60m that summer including ASM and Joelinton, and finishes 13th which was OK, if not meh, and a reasonably fair reflection on the season. The following season he adds Wilson, Fraser and 15m on Jamaal Lewis, so he's getting a fair bit of backing, certainly relatively in the Mike Ashley era, most Newcastle fans would say given to the wrong man, and that 2nd season was terrible. From the 5-2 defeat to Leeds on Dec 16th, Newcastle won 2, drew 6, and lost 11 of their 19 PL matches, a period which also included a first hurdle FA Cup exit, and a league cup defeat to 2nd tier Brentford who pretty much changed their entire team. They won 3 of their last 4 PL matches that season, including the final 2 against already relegated Sheff Utd and Fulham, to go from 17th on May 6th to 12th on the final day - papering over the crack if there ever was any, and this was a team back in the PL 4 years, and a bit more quality added to the squad in his 2 years www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/06-may-2021/The following season, Newcastle go out of the League Cup at home to Burnley and get 3 points, and no wins, out of their first 8 games and these games included Southampton, Leeds, Watford, Wolves, Villa, West Ham, and even a home match to Nuno's Spurs isn't the same as it is now - yet literally 3 points, and well on the way to relegation. A team with no tactics, no plan, no identity, no inspiration, no hope. Just pick your best 11 players, ask them to give it a go, and see if we can 'nick a result'. Pathetic. www.11v11.com/league-tables/premier-league/17-october-2021/Takes over at West Brom a few months later in 5th place, after his 8 MILLION pay off, with the one aim 'to get the Albion out of this league'. Ends up finishing 10th after winning only 6 of his 17 matches. The following season, they win literally one of their 13 league matches, into the bottom 3, with both teams below having games in hand (his one aim may well be coming true, just not the way he planned...) and this is a team who had never finished worse than 6th in the second tier since 1999, 'had' I say, because Brucie already spoiled that the season before, and they've got the 5th highest wage bill in the league. He's been finished for ages - his last 38 league games, including his final days at Newcastle, reads 7W 15D 16L which is awful when 30 of them were at a club who should be at the top end of the table. I could honestly go on and on for hours about my sheer disdain and contempt for the man, and some of it may seem irrational to away fans, but when it's your club and you see and hear his droning shite on a daily basis, to me, it's totally understandable. I've said it before, many times actually, Newcastle have statistically had worse managers in the Premier League era, and other unsavoury characters, but, taking everything into account, Stephen Roger Bruce will go down as the worst of the lot for the majority of Newcastle fans, and that includes Pardew, Allardyce, Souness, and Joe F'ing Kinnear, ha. Absolutely in agreement with all you say about him but the most pertinent bit is the ‘always the victim, lies/exaggerates…’ - the classic narcissistic gaslighter. Like the Tory party nowadays - always someone else’s fault like the ‘anti-growth coalition’. Before that it was immigrants, scroungers on benefits, the EU, …
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 8, 2022 14:58:57 GMT 1
Hoping someone can help me out here.... The lads playing football on Sunday morning so I doubt we'll be able to get there until HT. Anyone know if they'll still let you in if we arrive that late? I arrived for a fixture last season 73 minutes into the game as the M1 had been shut. Had to go round to main entrance and then was admitted in corner between main stand and north stand and walked round to Kilner Bank.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 19, 2022 21:37:47 GMT 1
I went to watch West Brom v Brum in midweek. In the match programme, which is generally pretty good at WBA, there were a whole load of statistics about the Championship this season. The one that really caught my eye (and surprised me) was: Most chances created: Sorba Thomas - 23
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 22, 2022 20:34:30 GMT 1
I went to skelmanthorpe secondary school late 60s to 71 mainly town fans and a few Man utd glory hunters as I recall you mean Scisset secondary modern - there isn't a secondary modern school in Skelmanthorpe There was definitely a Skelmanthorpe secondary modern school because my father taught there for many years.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 30, 2022 22:32:45 GMT 1
That's the bit I don't understand at all. Moss may have made the decisions that he thought were correct from the one viewing he had, in the position he was in. For the first he obviously thought that Toffolo 'performed an act of simulation', or dived as we all know it, and Moss booked him for it. The replays the the VAR refs (there are 2 of them!) had available to them clearly show that Toffolo was fouled, so that the ref should at least recind the yellow card even if he doesn't think there is enough contact for a penalty. The second one is just a foul and penalty no question about it, I presume the VAR refs had gone home at that point - if they were watching that and didn't bring it to the refs attention then there is no point in VAR at all. I think you would find if the truth be told was that Moss had told the VAR that he would not be countermanded on any big decisions. They were therefore impotent. They did tell him about the Toffolo incident but he refused the onfield check. They didnt even discuss the o brien incident given the 'theatrical' waving away by Moss the second it occurred. He was the ref, VAR were not required and his first decision was going to be final. That he is a fat, unfit, bastard also seems to have bypassed the footballing authorities when choosing a ref in his last game who they probably knew was going to make every decision and ignore any advice or help. VAR is there to assist 3 blokes doing their best under tough circumstances, we are humans and we err or we dont see something, apparently not if you are a fat, unfit, bastard.? The worst humans are those that are inept or useless but simply wont accept it. There was an article by Mark Clattenburg a week or so back expressing astonishment that any referee be given such a big game as their last as there is no way of taking any retrospective action against the ref. He mentioned that his last game in the UK was a meaningless mid-table game between Leicester and WBA.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 29, 2022 20:10:01 GMT 1
After a few dodgy decisions against us. I have a sneaky feeling VAR is going to play it’s part in a positive way for us today. We are due a decision or two!. Perhaps not your greatest prediction.😉 For anyone who still thinks VAR is the answer, please tell me what the question is.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 16, 2022 9:50:42 GMT 1
I've just read somewhere, we have played 9 home games in the play offs. Drawn 3 Lost 6.... 10th time lucky then? It’s 6 draws and 3 defeats
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Post by hypotenuse on May 14, 2022 11:24:39 GMT 1
I'll say it now I think we are out. We'll lose at home in 90 mins by one goal. I hope you are wrong but it does remind me of Peterborough 1992. We played them off the park in the away leg and somehow failed to win (2-2 draw) and then it all went pear-shaped in the return leg. I get the feeling we may come to regret not converting our undoubted dominance into goals in the second half.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 8, 2022 21:24:06 GMT 1
I think life must be so difficult for overly optimistic folk. They will think this has been an ok season as they believe that 3rd is about where we should expect to finish. We’re about 20 places higher up than I thought we’d be so I’m over the moon at the season we have just had (and are still continuing to have).
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Post by hypotenuse on May 5, 2022 10:50:04 GMT 1
I despise City and everything they stand for. Their money has corrupted the game so I really don’t care what level of cheating it takes as long as they lose. (I was even willing Leeds to beat them at the weekend!) Just City's money? Not Liverpool in the 80s and 90s, Blackburn's, Chelsea's, Man United's, soon to be Newcastle's....? Go to Clayton sometime. See what "their money" has done for the wider community there, what it continues to do for grass roots sport in the area and the continual stream of positive social impacts it has. As for wanting Leeds to beat them, grow up for fuck sake. Now, now, dear. Calm down. I may not like Leeds very much but they aren’t in my top 3 of disliked clubs.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 5, 2022 9:16:45 GMT 1
I hate city but I’m livid with the clear corruption in that game I despise City and everything they stand for. Their money has corrupted the game so I really don’t care what level of cheating it takes as long as they lose. (I was even willing Leeds to beat them at the weekend!)
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Post by hypotenuse on May 4, 2022 19:58:59 GMT 1
Town are currently top of the form table. Talk Shite spouting bollox again. Depends how many games you want to include in these stats doesn't it. Pundits like to take it from when Forest stopped losing back in September which is a bit of a fiddle tbh...The BBC Sport website shows the last 5 games (Town top), but Footstats website defaults to 6 (Town still top), but if you count 7, 8, 9, 10..20..25.. Forest are top [doesn't include last nights game]...Sheffield Utd struggle to make the top 10 form team... Stats eh... If you include the last 22 games (since the second half of the season started) we have 46 points and Forest have 45.
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