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Post by detox on Apr 3, 2016 14:27:58 GMT 1
Your piggy eyes must be bionic for you to see it clearer than everyone else You need some more straw ted. I played it back in slo-mo and definately looks like it hit his chest ... |
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Post by captainblack on Apr 3, 2016 14:34:12 GMT 1
You need some more straw ted. I played it back in slo-mo and definately looks like it hit his chest ... Oh Detox you are not supposed to admit it , you have spoilt the whole thread .  P.S. I said at the time it was a blatant penalty and I am sticking with my first opinion! |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Apr 3, 2016 17:17:25 GMT 1
I was right behind it and it was a penalty no doubt about it. I thought we deserved a point, but they clearly had some good players and one who is excellent at diving.
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Post by ACW on Apr 3, 2016 17:33:30 GMT 1
I was right behind it and it was a penalty no doubt about it. I thought we deserved a point, but they clearly had some good players and one who is excellent at diving. Thing is, I don't think he is that good at diving. His dives are so theatrical and obvious. How do officials keep being conned by him? |
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Apr 3, 2016 18:13:01 GMT 1
If that had been awarded against us then we would have been livid. As others say we had too many players having an off day and showed little ambition to get the ball forward quickly. There will have to be a big improvement in the next two games if we are to get anything from them given the standard of the opposition. Let's not blame the ref as we are work in progress and hopefully we get the missing pieces of the jigsaw in order for us to defend better and take our opportunities when they present. Well it was a blatant handball so the only complaints would've been with the player who'd actually done it if it had been given against us. Ref wasn't at fault for our lack of chances, but we were denied a clear opportunity to get a point which wouldn't have been completely undeserved (I'm not saying we deserved to win, as we clearly didn't, but I don't necessarily think we deserved to lose). |
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Post by buzz on Apr 3, 2016 20:27:52 GMT 1
I'm trying to get away from this site so stop winding me up! Clearly hit his chest, it was not a penalty, it did not hit his hand or arm......end of!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 20:35:50 GMT 1
I'm trying to get away from this site so stop winding me up! Clearly hit his chest, it was not a penalty, it did not hit his hand or arm......end of! You're obviously not trying hard enough. |
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Post by impact on Apr 3, 2016 20:55:36 GMT 1
Someone on facebook got a clearer still  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 3, 2016 21:18:41 GMT 1
That doesn't really prove anything , other than we came damned close to scoring and getting a deserved point.
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Post by softboy on Apr 3, 2016 22:49:31 GMT 1
you only have to look at the Leicester game as to how penalties are not given however clear they are - southampton player rounds the goalkeeper shoots for goal and the Leicester defender flicks his arm out deliberately hands the ball and no penalty given - how clear a penalty and a sending off you will never see
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 4, 2016 0:23:16 GMT 1
Flicked his arm out? he was sideways on to the ball and it hit his upper arm as it was planted against the side of his body. Would have been very harsh IMO as hed have had to remove his arm for the ball to not hit it.
It is a grey area though. Maybe the rule should be simply if it hits your hand or arm its handball and a pen, whether you meant it or not
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Post by stevvy on Apr 4, 2016 8:11:31 GMT 1
Forget giving a penalty, if it's handball on the line and there's nobody else to potentially stop the ball going in, a goal should be given and the player booked. Doesn't help us if we get a penalty and miss it rather than being given a goal that would've resulted had the ball not been stopped with his hand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 8:42:36 GMT 1
I take it once the video technology is introduced that we would be able to appeal a decision like that immediately?
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Post by detox on Apr 4, 2016 8:58:35 GMT 1
I take it once the video technology is introduced that we would be able to appeal a decision like that immediately? you might hope so....Rugby league and to some degree rugby union now have video technology to ensure decisions are right - so does cricket, and tennis... The opponents say this would 'ruin the continuity of football' ..but that's bollocks...is it too much to expect that the decisions made are correct ? For a multi billion £ sport, the refereeing of games in amateurish . No one can argue against a correct decision, but this festering grievance many clubs have over bad decisions by refs and lino's has got to be sorted. The only problem though is will a ref refer a decision he's made and is convinced is right...what then if afterwards he's proved wrong ? A 4th (or 5th) TV ref would be needed to over-rule the on field ref if he's checked the video and found an error... |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 4, 2016 9:09:10 GMT 1
I take it once the video technology is introduced that we would be able to appeal a decision like that immediately? you might hope so....Rugby league and to some degree rugby union now have video technology to ensure decisions are right - so does cricket, and tennis... The opponents say this would 'ruin the continuity of football' ..but that's bollocks...is it too much to expect that the decisions made are correct ? For a multi billion £ sport, the refereeing of games in amateurish . No one can argue against a correct decision, but this festering grievance many clubs have over bad decisions by refs and lino's has got to be sorted. The only problem though is will a ref refer a decision he's made and is convinced is right...what then if afterwards he's proved wrong ? A 4th (or 5th) TV ref would be needed to over-rule the on field ref if he's checked the video and found an error... rugby players and managers dont complain and argue about every bloody decision.. footballers and football managers do, we will have bleeding inquests into every decision.. Arsene will insist on having a video ref, ref and that it be passed onto a higher authority if he isnt happy with the 64 bloody angles that the ref made the decision from.. goal line tech fine.. the rest is still about an opinion near enough.. you can actually make an argument for everything else being an opinion if you try.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 9:09:39 GMT 1
I take it once the video technology is introduced that we would be able to appeal a decision like that immediately? you might hope so....Rugby league and to some degree rugby union now have video technology to ensure decisions are right - so does cricket, and tennis... The opponents say this would 'ruin the continuity of football' ..but that's bollocks...is it too much to expect that the decisions made are correct ? For a multi billion £ sport, the refereeing of games in amateurish . No one can argue against a correct decision, but this festering grievance many clubs have over bad decisions by refs and lino's has got to be sorted. The only problem though is will a ref refer a decision he's made and is convinced is right...what then if afterwards he's proved wrong ? A 4th (or 5th) TV ref would be needed to over-rule the on field ref if he's checked the video and found an error... We've been debating this for 2 days now and even with video evidence opinions are split. Just imagine for a moment how many cameras would be required to cover every angle. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 4, 2016 9:27:56 GMT 1
you might hope so....Rugby league and to some degree rugby union now have video technology to ensure decisions are right - so does cricket, and tennis... The opponents say this would 'ruin the continuity of football' ..but that's bollocks...is it too much to expect that the decisions made are correct ? For a multi billion £ sport, the refereeing of games in amateurish . No one can argue against a correct decision, but this festering grievance many clubs have over bad decisions by refs and lino's has got to be sorted. The only problem though is will a ref refer a decision he's made and is convinced is right...what then if afterwards he's proved wrong ? A 4th (or 5th) TV ref would be needed to over-rule the on field ref if he's checked the video and found an error... We've been debating this for 2 days now and even with video evidence opinions are split. Just imagine for a moment how many cameras would be required to cover every angle. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards still be a camera angle 'missing' for lots of managers..that would show him to be correct in that they have been 'robbed'... having seen gareth bale 'go over' due to the 'rush' of air catching his finely tuned athletic frame from his opponents attempt to tackle him, you could look at it all day but the 'experts' will tell you that you are wrong to say he was 'cheating'...he had been 'unbalanced' by the attempt?  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 9:41:46 GMT 1
you might hope so....Rugby league and to some degree rugby union now have video technology to ensure decisions are right - so does cricket, and tennis... The opponents say this would 'ruin the continuity of football' ..but that's bollocks...is it too much to expect that the decisions made are correct ? For a multi billion £ sport, the refereeing of games in amateurish . No one can argue against a correct decision, but this festering grievance many clubs have over bad decisions by refs and lino's has got to be sorted. The only problem though is will a ref refer a decision he's made and is convinced is right...what then if afterwards he's proved wrong ? A 4th (or 5th) TV ref would be needed to over-rule the on field ref if he's checked the video and found an error... We've been debating this for 2 days now and even with video evidence opinions are split. Just imagine for a moment how many cameras would be required to cover every angle. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards Exactly. The game would take 3 hours to play and it wouldn't resolve all the doubt around decisions. Fine for black and white decisions like goal line, but this is the perfect example of why it would not work wholesale. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 9:45:37 GMT 1
you might hope so....Rugby league and to some degree rugby union now have video technology to ensure decisions are right - so does cricket, and tennis... The opponents say this would 'ruin the continuity of football' ..but that's bollocks...is it too much to expect that the decisions made are correct ? For a multi billion £ sport, the refereeing of games in amateurish . No one can argue against a correct decision, but this festering grievance many clubs have over bad decisions by refs and lino's has got to be sorted. The only problem though is will a ref refer a decision he's made and is convinced is right...what then if afterwards he's proved wrong ? A 4th (or 5th) TV ref would be needed to over-rule the on field ref if he's checked the video and found an error... We've been debating this for 2 days now and even with video evidence opinions are split. Just imagine for a moment how many cameras would be required to cover every angle. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards The only reason we're struggling is because of the grainy poor footage. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 10:24:28 GMT 1
We've been debating this for 2 days now and even with video evidence opinions are split. Just imagine for a moment how many cameras would be required to cover every angle. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards The only reason we're struggling is because of the grainy poor footage. You would need enough HD quality cameras and operators (Sky use 24) covering 360 degrees to monitor all incidents, and that we won't get. My opinion was no penalty incidentally. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 4, 2016 10:28:44 GMT 1
There was a picture on FB yesterday that showed him leaning towards the ball with his arm away from his body and the ball hitting just above his elbow
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Post by detox on Apr 4, 2016 10:28:57 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 4, 2016 10:32:33 GMT 1
might have been a foul, might not..we were right next to it.. ref gave a foul and as hudson was on a yellow and didnt need to make the challenge anyway, lets just say it wasnt his most sensible decision... my kind head on today.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 10:33:07 GMT 1
The only reason we're struggling is because of the grainy poor footage. You would need enough HD quality cameras and operators (Sky use 24) covering 360 degrees to monitor all incidents, and that we won't get. My opinion was no penalty incidentally. The cost of HD cameras continues to drop, so it wouldn't be that big an investment. Probably what it costs us to pay one of our players for a week as a comparison. He leans in to it with his arm, how can that not be a penalty? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 10:37:11 GMT 1
There was a picture on FB yesterday that showed him leaning towards the ball with his arm away from his body and the ball hitting just above his elbow Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards That picture is further up this page. Take another look, the ball hasn't actually hit him at that point and could have hit him on the shoulder. |
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Post by rocky on Apr 4, 2016 10:52:18 GMT 1
'Hudson nearly broke my knee & should have been sent off, but I don't want to talk about it anymore!' Well shut the fuck up then, you cheating bastard. |
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Post by rocky on Apr 4, 2016 10:57:39 GMT 1
There was a picture on FB yesterday that showed him leaning towards the ball with his arm away from his body and the ball hitting just above his elbow Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards That picture is further up this page. Take another look, the ball hasn't actually hit him at that point and could have hit him on the shoulder. Bloody hell mate, the ball is only a few inches away & would have impacted him a fraction of a second later. No way could he react that quickly to change position. Definite pen for me. The sort we never get given though, but you can bet your life that if it was for Wednesday (especially at the other end) it would have been given. |
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Post by trailingleg on Apr 4, 2016 11:33:57 GMT 1
I'm trying to get away from this site so stop winding me up! Clearly hit his chest, it was not a penalty, it did not hit his hand or arm......end of! Buzz off then - it was a stonewall penalty for hand ball. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Apr 4, 2016 11:41:29 GMT 1
The highlights on TownPlayer clearly show that Hudson first wins the ball cleanly and then he takes the man with his momentum. In no way does it look dirty or threatening a knee break, not even a foul, just a strong, good challenge. It's also blatant handball. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 4, 2016 12:15:53 GMT 1
The highlights on TownPlayer clearly show that Hudson first wins the ball cleanly and then he takes the man with his momentum. In no way does it look dirty or threatening a knee break, not even a foul, just a strong, good challenge. It's also blatant handball. Exactly this! |
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