Terriers on tour

[towny4ever]

No it's not when people have already booked & are existing members....AWFUL TIMING & obviously a last minute thing!

Can't believe Deano would have signed this off....hope the club explsin themselves to the loyal ASAP 😡

[Deleted]

If this has been authorised by Dean Hoyle and administered by Mr Winter would the comments be quite so vitriolic.
Remember Dean Hoyle and Sue Beaumont were/are the only people who know the season ticket sales, even Sean Jarvis is outside that one.

It does seem to have devalued the B & W and Patrons position a little, one solution would have been to charge more for this membership say £40-£50 for non B & W and £20 to B& W members. This could then be used should we need it for Cup games. Its a commercial world - inspite of the £179 season tickets!
Town are moving into an era where non automatic entry into games ( sell outs in certain areas ) is approaching, this is the way of the world, have a look at some of the premier league ticket schemes.

[Deleted]

I can understand why some people might be annoyed, especially with the overlap with the b&w scheme, however, you all just need to calm down a bit. How much good has the club done in the past 12 months? Do you really think that they would push the scheme through if it doesn't work?

Instead of running on to the Internet and crying foul play in such a hyperbolic manner, simple list out the reasons that you think could improve the proposed scheme and email theme the club. I guarantee they will get back to you - they really do have our best interests at heart.

And to those moaning about the fee. It's twenty pounds. Twenty pounds. Hardly the "club lining their pockets" is it. It's a relatively nominal admin fee which covers off any additional work required by the club.

In summary, calm the fuck down and let's just enjoy the best period that the club has had since the 70s.

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 7:05:57 GMT 1 @superstevieharper said:

Club has been dealt a difficult hand here. The ticket stubs system worked well in the past, but has been made redundant by our 3 biggest away games being the first 3. This coincides with our number of season ticket holders pretty much doubling in size.

Clearly the club hadn't legislated for this, so they've had to put a system in place. All alternatives would also have pissed people off... Priority to all season ticket holders would lead to a long term ST holder missing out and kicking off, priority to renewing ST holders would go back on the agreement made with new ST holders and bringing in ticket stubs from last season would move the goalposts.

This system allows anyone who really wants a Newcastle ticket to get one, which none of the alternatives do. £20 is a fair amount; enough that people will consider whether to pay it, but not enough that anyone is actually priced out. It's not ideal that we've had to do this, but it's a decent system for the situation.

20 tax for one game is wrong,it wont affect any other,but when you go as a family of four,like me,its 80 quid
Not so cheap then,especially as we are in the bandw,have been for yrs,sc for yrs,on the move,replica kits for the young uns,yaa charity walks, raffle tickets sales,etc
I feel my loyalty has been taken for granted that little bit too much.

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 7:27:21 GMT 1 fnd said:

I can understand why some people might be annoyed, especially with the overlap with the b&w scheme, however, you all just need to calm down a bit. How much good has the club done in the past 12 months? Do you really think that they would push the scheme through if it doesn't work?

Instead of running on to the Internet and crying foul play in such a hyperbolic manner, simple list out the reasons that you think could improve the proposed scheme and email theme the club. I guarantee they will get back to you - they really do have our best interests at heart.

And to those moaning about the fee. It's twenty pounds. Twenty pounds. Hardly the "club lining their pockets" is it. It's a relatively nominal admin fee which covers off any additional work required by the club.

In summary, calm the fuck down and let's just enjoy the best period that the club has had since the 70s.

You calm the fuck down, its not twenty quid for a family of four;)

[mids]

Jul 15, 2016 7:29:30 GMT 1 terrierng said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:05:57 GMT 1 @superstevieharper said:

Club has been dealt a difficult hand here. The ticket stubs system worked well in the past, but has been made redundant by our 3 biggest away games being the first 3. This coincides with our number of season ticket holders pretty much doubling in size.

Clearly the club hadn't legislated for this, so they've had to put a system in place. All alternatives would also have pissed people off... Priority to all season ticket holders would lead to a long term ST holder missing out and kicking off, priority to renewing ST holders would go back on the agreement made with new ST holders and bringing in ticket stubs from last season would move the goalposts.

This system allows anyone who really wants a Newcastle ticket to get one, which none of the alternatives do. £20 is a fair amount; enough that people will consider whether to pay it, but not enough that anyone is actually priced out. It's not ideal that we've had to do this, but it's a decent system for the situation.

20 tax for one game is wrong,it wont affect any other,but when you go as a family of four,like me,its 80 quid
Not so cheap then,especially as we are in the bandw,have been for yrs,sc for yrs,on the move,replica kits for the young uns,yaa charity walks, raffle tickets sales,etc
I feel my loyalty has been taken for granted that little bit too much.

If only you'd done at least 8 Pedal For Pounds you'd have been fine

I'm confident this TOT situation will be revised very soon.

[El Mel]

The B&W and Patrons should have the option to sign up to TOT for free, don't sign up, your Category 2, do sign up Cat 1. They also have the option to cancel B&W / Patrons and save £84 a year to be in TOT if priority tickets is there sole driver.

This is actually a good scheme for many fans, cos it can save them money. Its ACTUALLY a bad scheme for the club because it can/will lose them money, I've already seen people joining B&W to get top priority ticketing prior to yesterdays announcement of this scheme.

We've got 15,000 SC holders. There HAS to be some way of prioritising that, and the scheme actually gives people a chance to step up the ladder without paying £104/£50 a year for B&W and Patrons.

Hopefully you can understand that, if you can't you're an idiot.

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 7:31:09 GMT 1 terrierng said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:27:21 GMT 1 fnd said:

I can understand why some people might be annoyed, especially with the overlap with the b&w scheme, however, you all just need to calm down a bit. How much good has the club done in the past 12 months? Do you really think that they would push the scheme through if it doesn't work?

Instead of running on to the Internet and crying foul play in such a hyperbolic manner, simple list out the reasons that you think could improve the proposed scheme and email theme the club. I guarantee they will get back to you - they really do have our best interests at heart.

And to those moaning about the fee. It's twenty pounds. Twenty pounds. Hardly the "club lining their pockets" is it. It's a relatively nominal admin fee which covers off any additional work required by the club.

In summary, calm the fuck down and let's just enjoy the best period that the club has had since the 70s.

You calm the fuck down, its not twenty quid for a family of four;)

Yeah, nah, I agree. And you have my sympathy when the tickets are released and you're paying £45 a seat, compared to our £179 season ticket.

In fairness though, this is exactly the kind of thing that feedback to the club could help sort. For example, there could be a way of linking season tickets together, so a family only has to get one priority membership which can buy tickets for family, or just simply allow the membership to be able to buy two tickets.

[thehitcher]

Couldn't they have created a points system and used the data over the last few seasons?

[midge]

Jul 15, 2016 7:29:30 GMT 1 terrierng said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:05:57 GMT 1 @superstevieharper said:

Club has been dealt a difficult hand here. The ticket stubs system worked well in the past, but has been made redundant by our 3 biggest away games being the first 3. This coincides with our number of season ticket holders pretty much doubling in size.

Clearly the club hadn't legislated for this, so they've had to put a system in place. All alternatives would also have pissed people off... Priority to all season ticket holders would lead to a long term ST holder missing out and kicking off, priority to renewing ST holders would go back on the agreement made with new ST holders and bringing in ticket stubs from last season would move the goalposts.

This system allows anyone who really wants a Newcastle ticket to get one, which none of the alternatives do. £20 is a fair amount; enough that people will consider whether to pay it, but not enough that anyone is actually priced out. It's not ideal that we've had to do this, but it's a decent system for the situation.

20 tax for one game is wrong,it wont affect any other,but when you go as a family of four,like me,its 80 quid
Not so cheap then,especially as we are in the bandw,have been for yrs,sc for yrs,on the move,replica kits for the young uns,yaa charity walks, raffle tickets sales,etc
I feel my loyalty has been taken for granted that little bit too much.

Have the club not rewarded your loyalty with cheap season tickets!?

As you keep pointing out, there's four of you! Must be a hell of saving!?

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 7:49:32 GMT 1 midge said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:29:30 GMT 1 terrierng said:

20 tax for one game is wrong,it wont affect any other,but when you go as a family of four,like me,its 80 quid
Not so cheap then,especially as we are in the bandw,have been for yrs,sc for yrs,on the move,replica kits for the young uns,yaa charity walks, raffle tickets sales,etc
I feel my loyalty has been taken for granted that little bit too much.

Have the club not rewarded your loyalty with cheap season tickets!?

As you keep pointing out, there's four of you! Must be a hell of saving!?

One week ago today I went down to the town ticket office and enquired about Blue and White membership. On looking at the advantages I, 'silly of me, I know' paid out £104 in cash to join. That's me sorted I thought, at least I get priority for the big games coming up. Less than a week later and before I have even got my confirmation of membership through the post I get what feels like a massive slap in the face! Where's the loyalty to me?

[ben1987]

I thought the whole point of the ATT panel was for the club to run things like this by the fans and gauge an opinion?

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 7:49:32 GMT 1 midge said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:29:30 GMT 1 terrierng said:

20 tax for one game is wrong,it wont affect any other,but when you go as a family of four,like me,its 80 quid
Not so cheap then,especially as we are in the bandw,have been for yrs,sc for yrs,on the move,replica kits for the young uns,yaa charity walks, raffle tickets sales,etc
I feel my loyalty has been taken for granted that little bit too much.

Have the club not rewarded your loyalty with cheap season tickets!?

As you keep pointing out, there's four of you! Must be a hell of saving!?

First time in yrs,so yes,
I've put a lot more into the club than four cheap tickets but I'm not gonna go into that.
You keep blowing smoke up their arse though
Also the cheap cards,rightly, were available to everyone, having one or four for yrs didnt entitle you any better than someone who never had one before so why are they repaying my loyalty?

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 8:03:22 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:49:32 GMT 1 midge said:

Have the club not rewarded your loyalty with cheap season tickets!?

As you keep pointing out, there's four of you! Must be a hell of saving!?

One week ago today I went down to the town ticket office and enquired about Blue and White membership. On looking at the advantages I, 'silly of me, I know' paid out £104 in cash to join. That's me sorted I thought, at least I get priority for the big games coming up. Less than a week later and before I have even got my confirmation of membership through the post I get what feels like a massive slap in the face! Where's the loyalty to me?

Dont you know, you got cheap season cards,ask midge;D

[kennyoldirons]

Did they need to introduce something? - yes.

Could it be fair on everyone? - unlikely.

Is the proposal as published fair on existing B&WF members? - definitely not!!

Why should I have paid for years into B&WF, have held season tickets for years and now potentially a scheme (that does have some validity) be introduced that allows anyone on the cheap season card bandwagon priority on Newcastle, Villa and Leeds tickets over me?

Don't mind paying another £20 at all given the cheap season card, but why am I SECOND in the priority and not FIRST as existing B&WF member?

The moral thing to do is to have people in my category, e.g. Season Card holder who is in B&WF and ToT as first priority. Maybe even add in Patrons as well above me if necessary, albeit I don't fully understand what the link is between the Patrons and the club, always saw it as a bit of a glorified supporters and travel club for old men... I could be wrong and there may be a more formal line into the club via the Patrons and happy to be corrected on this. Something at the back of my mind is telling me they arrange sponsorship for players etc.


Anyway - my point being: a necessary initiative, with slightly more careful thought and consideration around the priority crieteria could have been launched with little fuss.

As it stands B&WF members and presumably patrons are alienated. Yes some money goes to the academy and yes a weekly prize draw, but what have I had out of either of those to show for (on the first team pitch) for the last decade?...

A quick review and a hands up "we got it slightly wrong" and adjustment of the criteria and I think we can all get back to concentrating on the buzz around recognising any of the starting 11 on Weds night!

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 7:34:03 GMT 1 mids said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:29:30 GMT 1 terrierng said:

20 tax for one game is wrong,it wont affect any other,but when you go as a family of four,like me,its 80 quid
Not so cheap then,especially as we are in the bandw,have been for yrs,sc for yrs,on the move,replica kits for the young uns,yaa charity walks, raffle tickets sales,etc
I feel my loyalty has been taken for granted that little bit too much.

If only you'd done at least 8 Pedal For Pounds you'd have been fine

I'm confident this TOT situation will be revised very soon.

Step too far for this fat lad that ;D

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 8:11:45 GMT 1 terrierng said:

Jul 15, 2016 8:03:22 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

One week ago today I went down to the town ticket office and enquired about Blue and White membership. On looking at the advantages I, 'silly of me, I know' paid out £104 in cash to join. That's me sorted I thought, at least I get priority for the big games coming up. Less than a week later and before I have even got my confirmation of membership through the post I get what feels like a massive slap in the face! Where's the loyalty to me?

Dont you know, you got cheap season cards,ask midge;D

To be fair I should have known better than to pay cash. I recall the woman in reception rubbing her hands in glee "That's what we like" she said when I opted to pay up front in readys. Never again.

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 7:35:58 GMT 1 El Mel said:

The B&W and Patrons should have the option to sign up to TOT for free, don't sign up, your Category 2, do sign up Cat 1. They also have the option to cancel B&W / Patrons and save £84 a year to be in TOT if priority tickets is there sole driver.

This is actually a good scheme for many fans, cos it can save them money. Its ACTUALLY a bad scheme for the club because it can/will lose them money, I've already seen people joining B&W to get top priority ticketing prior to yesterdays announcement of this scheme.

We've got 15,000 SC holders. There HAS to be some way of prioritising that, and the scheme actually gives people a chance to step up the ladder without paying £104/£50 a year for B&W and Patrons.

Hopefully you can understand that, if you can't you're an idiot.

There has to be some way of prioritising you're right.

A queue generally works. First come first served.

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 8:24:16 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Jul 15, 2016 8:11:45 GMT 1 terrierng said:

Dont you know, you got cheap season cards,ask midge;D

To be fair I should have known better than to pay cash. I recall the woman in reception rubbing her hands in glee "That's what we like" she said when I opted to pay up front in readys. Never again.

When they start pissing loyal fans like you off then they have definitely dropped a bollock

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 8:46:43 GMT 1 terrierng said:

Jul 15, 2016 8:24:16 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

To be fair I should have known better than to pay cash. I recall the woman in reception rubbing her hands in glee "That's what we like" she said when I opted to pay up front in readys. Never again.

When they start pissing loyal fans like you off then they have definitely dropped a bollock

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what we have and the future is bright. This just appears to be ill thought out. Hopefully someone down there will realise that today and revise it before it's too late.

[terrierng]

Jul 15, 2016 9:04:01 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Jul 15, 2016 8:46:43 GMT 1 terrierng said:

When they start pissing loyal fans like you off then they have definitely dropped a bollock

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what we have and the future is bright. This just appears to be ill thought out. Hopefully someone down there will realise that today and revise it before it's too late.

Thats my feelings too mate, and I've been in the blue and white ten yrs;D
Added to the fact i have 4sc and booked a hotel for Newcastle i am feeling a bit pissed off
Nothing a signing or two wont change though.;D ;D ;D

[bluedogs, Esq.]

I thought fans joined the BWF to support our academy, seems main reason was priority ticketing.

[bogart]

Jul 15, 2016 7:27:17 GMT 1 SW6 said:

If this has been authorised by Dean Hoyle and administered by Mr Winter would the comments be quite so vitriolic.
Remember Dean Hoyle and Sue Beaumont were/are the only people who know the season ticket sales, even Sean Jarvis is outside that one.

It does seem to have devalued the B & W and Patrons position a little, one solution would have been to charge more for this membership say £40-£50 for non B & W and £20 to B& W members. This could then be used should we need it for Cup games. Its a commercial world - inspite of the £179 season tickets!
Town are moving into an era where non automatic entry into games ( sell outs in certain areas ) is approaching, this is the way of the world, have a look at some of the premier league ticket schemes.

Remember Dean Hoyle and Sue Beaumont were/are the only people who know the season ticket sales, even Sean Jarvis is outside that one.

Surely you do not believe that? The whole bloody ticket office must know for a starter or has Sue sold them all by herself.

[bogart]

Looks like a Jarvis and Winter, after a few beers too many, idea. And talking of Jarvis is anybody really interested in who is a new business partner?
Who gives a toss about knowing of a company you will never ever hear of never mind deal with!

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 9:19:35 GMT 1 bluedogs, Esq. said:

I thought fans joined the BWF to support our academy, seems main reason was priority ticketing.

Which is why I won't be demanding my money back today. However one of the boasts in the literature is you get an advantage with ticketing. Very, very misleading all of a sudden, don't you think?

[midge]

Jul 15, 2016 8:03:22 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:49:32 GMT 1 midge said:

Have the club not rewarded your loyalty with cheap season tickets!?

As you keep pointing out, there's four of you! Must be a hell of saving!?

One week ago today I went down to the town ticket office and enquired about Blue and White membership. On looking at the advantages I, 'silly of me, I know' paid out £104 in cash to join. That's me sorted I thought, at least I get priority for the big games coming up. Less than a week later and before I have even got my confirmation of membership through the post I get what feels like a massive slap in the face! Where's the loyalty to me?

If your main motive for joining was the priority tickets and you explained that then I would agree that you should have been advised that something was on the horizon!

I am also a member and can honestly say that the priority tickets has never really been a consideration for me, nor have I ever used it.

The problem is I would guess that the number of B and W members far out numbers the number of tickets we will get for some games.

The new scheme will be taken up by a few who see the benefit as I see it. Those who attend a lot of away matches and value the peace of mind knowing they will get a ticket- possibly less than 1000 fans!? And for those who attend a good number of games they will get back a good deal of the money off their ticket prices!

The irony here to me is all those complaining about the 20 quid probably won't think twice about putting around that in Newcastle/villa/ l**ds pockets in the amount they pay over and above the average ticket price!!

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

Jul 15, 2016 7:45:24 GMT 1 thehitcher said:

Couldn't they have created a points system and used the data over the last few seasons?

Would this points system be an 'Australian Style' points system?

[claytonwestblue]

Jul 15, 2016 10:03:52 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

Jul 15, 2016 7:45:24 GMT 1 thehitcher said:

Couldn't they have created a points system and used the data over the last few seasons?

Would this points system be an 'Australian Style' points system?

[claytonwestblue]

Just called Blue White foundation regards issue created expect another announcement soon was told

[Deleted]

Jul 15, 2016 9:56:03 GMT 1 midge said:

Jul 15, 2016 8:03:22 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

One week ago today I went down to the town ticket office and enquired about Blue and White membership. On looking at the advantages I, 'silly of me, I know' paid out £104 in cash to join. That's me sorted I thought, at least I get priority for the big games coming up. Less than a week later and before I have even got my confirmation of membership through the post I get what feels like a massive slap in the face! Where's the loyalty to me?

If your main motive for joining was the priority tickets and you explained that then I would agree that you should have been advised that something was on the horizon!

I am also a member and can honestly say that the priority tickets has never really been a consideration for me, nor have I ever used it.

The problem is I would guess that the number of B and W members far out numbers the number of tickets we will get for some games.

The new scheme will be taken up by a few who see the benefit as I see it. Those who attend a lot of away matches and value the peace of mind knowing they will get a ticket- possibly less than 1000 fans!? And for those who attend a good number of games they will get back a good deal of the money off their ticket prices!

The irony here to me is all those complaining about the 20 quid probably won't think twice about putting around that in Newcastle/villa/ l**ds pockets in the amount they pay over and above the average ticket price!!

Priority ticketing wasn't my initial reason for joining the B&W. My original venture down there was to enquire about renewing my Canalside membership.

Whilst there I made a spontaneous decision to sign up having looked at the benefits. This moving of the goalposts has come at a particularly bad time for me.

No doubt I will be coughing up another £20 it isn't the end of the world, however I still maintain this is an ill thought out move from the club.