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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 18, 2016 14:31:45 GMT 1
If you have played sport in a pair or doubles (Doubles tennis, badminton etc) you soon understand that your partner can make you a better player and you can make them a better player, (to some extent) regardless of your individual abilities. It is about how you both read the game, how you both move and which plays you feel natural playing. By working symbiotically, the whole becomes much better than the sum of it's parts. This our current centre half pairing. To some extent - yes Schindler has improved Hudson and the defence is stronger as a unit as a result. He still gets skinned when one on one outside the box. I guess Forestieri would do that to many of the centre backs in this division anyway. Think it would be difficult to argue that Hudson and Wells are not the weak links in our starting 11, or areas where we need to improve most. Don't believe any of this we are top of the league therefore everybody is doing good. We need to continually improve and I'm sure DW would be on the look out for where we can improve most....continuously!
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Post by terrierstalk on Oct 18, 2016 14:32:12 GMT 1
Time to start blooding Hefele/Stankovic in now, we've got what we can out of Hudson now which is a lot more than I first thought we would. He's far too slow and has the turning circle of Titanic as it showed on Sunday. It's going to start costing us games as he won't keep on getting away with it
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Post by crux on Oct 18, 2016 15:26:44 GMT 1
..... Think it would be difficult to argue that Hudson and Wells are not the weak links in our starting 11, or areas where we need to improve most. Don't believe any of this we are top of the league therefore everybody is doing good. We need to continually improve and I'm sure DW would be on the look out for where we can improve most....continuously! Not actually sure Wells would be in the starting 11 if Lolley wasn't injured. Interesting bit on MOTD 2 when they showed the difference between Sturridge and Firmino seemed to me a similar 'issue' we have with Wells and Katchunga. Wells (and Sturridge) would probably be the better goalscorer/finisher, however Katchunga (and Firmino) give the team a better option.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 18, 2016 16:03:05 GMT 1
..... Think it would be difficult to argue that Hudson and Wells are not the weak links in our starting 11, or areas where we need to improve most. Don't believe any of this we are top of the league therefore everybody is doing good. We need to continually improve and I'm sure DW would be on the look out for where we can improve most....continuously! Not actually sure Wells would be in the starting 11 if Lolley wasn't injured. Interesting bit on MOTD 2 when they showed the difference between Sturridge and Firmino seemed to me a similar 'issue' we have with Wells and Katchunga. Wells (and Sturridge) would probably be the better goalscorer/finisher, however Katchunga (and Firmino) give the team a better option. To some extent - Sturridge seems to create more problems for Liverpool & England than the opposition! I do like how DW has managed to get Kachunga and Wells in the same starting 11 - and I think that was our strongest starting 11 v Wendies. Not sure Lolley is up to replacing either Kachunga or Wells tbh although it would be good to have him as an option, and Scanz. It always seems to me that we need a bigger option than Nahki. The option Liverpool are taking though is to play without a big bloke! Guess that has seen us to the top of the table!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:21:31 GMT 1
Well he's been absolutely awful tonight.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 19, 2016 21:24:18 GMT 1
Well he's been absolutely awful tonight. And the rest of the Team on top of their game?.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:29:18 GMT 1
Well he's been absolutely awful tonight. It sounds like his mistakes have finally been punished. He's had a good start but he's been massively fortunate to have not been punished for his mistakes in most games
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:37:48 GMT 1
Well he's been absolutely awful tonight. And the rest of the Team on top of their game?. Nope. VLP was awful.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Oct 19, 2016 21:38:15 GMT 1
I like Hudson but really thought Heff would have started tonight. He can't do 2 games in 4 days...
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Post by BottomLip on Oct 19, 2016 21:38:30 GMT 1
Give Hef a go Saturday and I'd take VLP out too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:48:52 GMT 1
Well he's been absolutely awful tonight. It sounds like his mistakes have finally been punished. He's had a good start but he's been massively fortunate to have not been punished for his mistakes in most gamesWhat a load of old cobblers...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:51:53 GMT 1
It sounds like his mistakes have finally been punished. He's had a good start but he's been massively fortunate to have not been punished for his mistakes in most gamesWhat a load of old cobblers... Do you need me to go back and prove it? It isn't cobblers at all
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 19, 2016 21:54:50 GMT 1
It sounds like his mistakes have finally been punished. He's had a good start but he's been massively fortunate to have not been punished for his mistakes in most gamesWhat a load of old cobblers... Not at all, OT is spot on
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Post by Floyds on Oct 19, 2016 21:55:52 GMT 1
We were poor defensively, couldn't handle their height/direct play at all.
Not only Hudson though. Haven't seen the goals again but we were bullied for all three and the keeper never left his line.
Hefele doesn't inspire confidence either so not sure of the solution, other than sticking with it...
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 19, 2016 21:56:36 GMT 1
Not the time to scapegoat... poor performances all over the park tonight
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:57:39 GMT 1
We were poor defensively, couldn't handle their height/direct play at all. Not only Hudson though. Haven't seen the goals again but we were bullied for all three and the keeper never left his line. Hefele doesn't inspire confidence either so not sure of the solution, other than sticking with it... We've apparently got a future Champions League defender knocking about in the stiffs...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 22:03:09 GMT 1
As Matt Glennon as just said.... tonight was really that bad. Sounds like we've been found out with both full backs once again poor tonight.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 19, 2016 22:08:31 GMT 1
As Matt Glennon as just said.... tonight was really that bad. Sounds like we've been found out with both full backs once again poor tonight. Maybe we haven't been " found out " . Maybe we've just played shit... It happens... First time we've played shit since Shrewsbury .. If the next time we play shit is in 12 games time we will be doing ok
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Post by buzz on Oct 19, 2016 22:24:53 GMT 1
I hope he stays in the team till you play Wednesday again! Forestieri can then run rings around him for the 3rd game in a row! 😉😉😉😉
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Post by impact on Oct 19, 2016 22:27:55 GMT 1
Yeah lets blame Hudson despite it being Schindler's man for the 1st, a man completely free for the 2nd between Schindler and Mooy and went straight through Mooy for the 3rd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 22:29:17 GMT 1
I hope he stays in the team till you play Wednesday again! Forestieri can then run rings around him for the 3rd game in a row! 😉😉😉😉 Only if we play you again before January?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 22:31:38 GMT 1
Give Hef a go Saturday and I'd take VLP out too. All we are saying....is give Hef a chance....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 22:35:05 GMT 1
Give Hef a go Saturday and I'd take VLP out too. Wholeheartedly agree about VLP, he was dire tonight. As for comedy Hef? Best option if you're leaving Hudson out, Stankovic can't be far away though. Hopefully anyway.
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Post by upthetown on Oct 19, 2016 23:28:49 GMT 1
They all had an off game tonight, it happens.
Even the consistent ones struggled: Ward was poor as was his distribution. Mooy didn't really get the ball moving forwards until the game was lost. Kachunga didn't seem to have his usual energy.
Bunn looked bright when he came on, as did Palmer. Payne went close a couple of times.
The first true off day for a while, as i think we played well vs Sheffield Wednesday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 0:36:49 GMT 1
Yeah lets blame Hudson despite it being Schindler's man for the 1st, a man completely free for the 2nd between Schindler and Mooy and went straight through Mooy for the 3rd. I'm not convinced about Ward. He needs to get off his line more. Defending set pieces is a team game these days but it's still up your keeper and two centre halves to get it sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 0:40:19 GMT 1
I hope he stays in the team till you play Wednesday again! Forestieri can then run rings around him for the 3rd game in a row! 😉😉😉😉 Don't get too cocky Wednesday. The last time you were decent David Hirst was up front for ya. 😉
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 20, 2016 0:54:20 GMT 1
They all had an off game tonight, it happens. Even the consistent ones struggled: Ward was poor as was his distribution. Mooy didn't really get the ball moving forwards until the game was lost. Kachunga didn't seem to have his usual energy. Bunn looked bright when he came on, as did Palmer. Payne went close a couple of times. The first true off day for a while, as i think we played well vs Sheffield Wednesday. Yes don't really disagree with any of that other then the assessment of Ward's game. Distribution he was let down by the fact nobody was coming for the ball quick enough or moving into any space. Perhaps Preston knew what to expect and stayed switched on when he had the ball but he really had nothing to aim at all night. He saw alot of the ball tonight too because nobody else could pick out a free man so went back to the keeper. Fair play Preston but we have to come up with some other plan.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Oct 20, 2016 6:17:25 GMT 1
Michael Hefele certainly is not the Answer to our central defence crisis if we are saying there is one.
I want to know what the hell Jon Stankovic has done wrong to not have got a start yet. Would really like to see him get a run out or even a place on the bench would be nice.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 20, 2016 6:32:52 GMT 1
Everyone back on the let's blame Hudson band wagon after a couple of defeats, thought Ward was extremely poor tonight and at fault for the first two goals, he should be commanding his area and collecting those balls up.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 20, 2016 6:34:15 GMT 1
If Smithies had put in a performance like that last night there would be a thread on here absolutely fucking him.
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