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Post by spyinthesky on Dec 11, 2016 20:52:30 GMT 1
I didn't say that - just saying you'd feel very unlucky. The guy's turned sideways when the shot's come at him and his elbow has come out a gnat's cock and the ball's struck it. TV didn't think it was worth showing last night and Wagner didn't mention it either. VLP against Wednesday - he threw his arms up and the ball hit is elbow - protecting your face or not that's a penalty for me - or are you always allowed to throw your arms up if the ball might be going to hit you and it's okay because your just 'protecting your face'? For what it's worth I, along with everyone else, agree that the keeper should have walked and also that we've been on the wrong end of some poor decisions lately. But conspiracies? Writing to the FA? Think we need to shake our heads a bit. watching a great many games this season has proved to me that quite a few refs/linos have clearly never, ever played the game. some definitely want their 'afternoon in the sun' and some are just utterly useless at it.. their goal yesterday was allowed because the lino wasnt up with play and guessed in their favour..normally they guess and stick the flag up, which does lead me to believe we are not even getting the 'guesses' at the moment, which is worrying. The officials have not got a clue and we dont even get the 'homer' decisions? Never been a requirement and most haven't |
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Post by deepc on Dec 11, 2016 21:09:54 GMT 1
Thought it was offside at the time but watching it back on TV - Schindler took an age to get out playing him onside - so one of the few he got right IMO
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 11, 2016 21:54:31 GMT 1
I have posted previously and agree that we football fans do tend to see things in our favour as it were. What's going on with Refs and Town though even the 'Independants' are seeing it (pundits for Wigan game called two penalties not given, Curbishley, keeper should have walked) etc. Re the Billing one, I can't renember that?. Re the foul on Hefele, from the Kilner bank and camera side, I hear what you are saying. If though you were sat where I was right in front of it in the Riverside from the other angle, Abraham's foot was ridiculously high and he did catch him. Infact, he could have walked too, it would have been a bit harsh though. I still maintain that there is more to it than incompetence or we would get our fair share of incompetent decisions and we aren't. But as I posted it ain't conspiracy either so why, why does it keep happening to us?. I think perhaps as I posted previously we are just a nice Club with a nice Manager and it is easier to piss us off than some of the other Clubs and Managers in the League with that call the Ref is making at the time and what fall-out he may be subject to if he gets it wrong. So conspiracy?, no!, sub-conscious thought process influencing these decisions going against us?, possibly. I don't know. Look, I am trying to derive some logic from the illogical which ain't easy!. Either way, something ain't right here with the constant key decisions going against us. I don't know how we stop it though  I'm sorry Morley but that is just tosh or complete homerism! Hefele even had his back to the Riverside stand. Anyway those of us with a camera view also benefitted from a slow motion replay of the incident which showed Hefele's and Abraham's feet to be equally high but Abraham's foot cleanly contacted the ball and Hefele's foot contacted Abraham's foot after abraham had nicked the ball so if there was a foul it would have been in Bristol's favour but Abraham's first thought was that he was clean through so he naturally carried on and Hefele fell to the floor claiming a foul obviously knowing he was beaten. To say that Abraham "could have walked" is ridiculous having seen the slow motion replay. Check out the match thread comments on here and Bristol's site, made at the time by the camera viewing fans. From here... "Finally a bit of luck with a decision. No foul on the Hef." "My Town bias means I thought Ward would have got there before Abraham. "Well, he's not the quickest coming off his line so I'm not convinced. Just good to get a decision in our favour in any game at the moment." Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/102813/bristol-city-match-thread?page=4#ixzz4SX2WKNX8From their site a few more comments understandably ... "Shocking decision" "Tammy ripped off there. He was in the clear." "******* hell keith stroud" "Indeed.. Tammy was clean through there. Hudders got away with that one." "They are certainly good at the amateur dramatics" "Shit referee, how was that a foul by Abraham, both players foot was as high as the others and Tammy takes the ball cleanly" "Shocking decision by the ref." "Tammy wrongly accused of a foul." "1-1 HT, in many ways lucky for us, but then again if not for awful ref decision could have been 1-2 up" "how the """" was that a foul by Tammy" Their site seems on the whole to be very fair and nearly all said later that their keeper should have seen red. And they have a nice facepalm smiley too! I read their forum, amazed that they thought we were a cynical, dirty team who went down easil, compared to themselves. We normally complain the other way. |
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Post by delboy12 on Dec 11, 2016 22:13:17 GMT 1
my mate ref us on Tuesday he is one of the better ones !!!!!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 11, 2016 22:16:28 GMT 1
my mate ref us on Tuesday he is one of the better ones !!!!! Right. Now we know who to go to if he has a stinker!  |
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Post by upthetown on Dec 11, 2016 22:34:17 GMT 1
I know that nobody rates him, or values what he says, but after the match tonight I heard Matt Glennon's comments on the keeper's non-red card and he offered a goalkeeper's view on it. He also pointed out that the rules have changed this season, and he summed it up like this ... The goalkeeper certainly DID handle outside the area - yellow card. Why? Because the rules have changed and it WASN'T a goal-scoring opportunity because the keeper could have kicked it away; he made the wrong decision by handling it. But he could have cleared it, therefore he didn't deny a goal-scoring opportunity. It seems that the ref only consulted with the Lino about whether or not the keeper could have kicked it. Glennon is wrong, of course ...  I was listening to that too and couldn't believe the amount of bollox he was spouting. He gets paid to come out with that drivel too He was doing my head in with this nonsense too! |
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Post by calken on Dec 11, 2016 23:37:21 GMT 1
Never been a requirement and most haven't Which begs the question, why don't ex professionals referee games? The referee's salaries need to be proportional to the rest of the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 23:40:09 GMT 1
Just watching the highlights. 1. Their goal was miles offside. 2. Their keeper should have been red carded. We're owed a few decisions if things are going to even themselves up. Their goal was onside - Lino got that one spot on Their keeper should have 100% been sent off though, as Freeman should have been too |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 12, 2016 0:04:27 GMT 1
Thought it was offside at the time but watching it back on TV - Schindler took an age to get out playing him onside - so one of the few he got right IMO Smith was further back still. So in conclusion most of us got this badly wrong! We also seem spilt on the Abraham/Hef incident and the 'elbow' ball. About the only thing we seem certain on is the keeper should've been sent off and in this case Glennon was saying on the radio that a yellow was correct! We do seem to have had a lot of calls go against us at the mo, but I reckon any of us would find it far harder than we make out. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 12, 2016 0:07:59 GMT 1
Just watching the highlights. 1. Their goal was miles offside. 2. Their keeper should have been red carded. We're owed a few decisions if things are going to even themselves up. Their goal was onside - Lino got that one spot on Their keeper should have 100% been sent off though, as Freeman should have been too the lino was way behind the play..he actually made a great play of pretending to stick his neck out as if he was looking round something, it was quite odd.. he got almost in line as the ball hit the back of the net.. they usually pop the flag up if its a guess, oddly enough he didnt this time? |
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 12, 2016 7:58:26 GMT 1
It's one of the biggest problems in the sport yet the powers that be will not address it like they have in other sports..."because football is sacred" mantra. There's endless stoppages all the time anyway and every week points incorrectly distributed due to referee errors. Referees should all be ex pros and be accountable for their mistakes with fines, reprimands and ultimately demotion, just like in all other areas of elite sport. Then have the 2nd referees in front of tv screen to eradicate any howlers like in cricket. We could either give this power to refs or a review system to each captain. It's not hard to implement and everyone would get used to it soon enough and we can stop losing points like the 3 we should've had against Wigan. Why would ex-pros: A) want to be a ref when most will be loaded and not have the slightest interest in getting that amount of grief B) be any good as refs - most are thick as pig shit and barely understand the rules |
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Post by araucaria on Dec 12, 2016 15:20:13 GMT 1
Keith Stroud has only reffed 10 Town matches in 12 seasons, 3 at home and 7 away. We won 6, drew 1 and lost 3. He sent off 4 players, 3 from our opponents and gave two penalties that were converted, one for us, Theo at home v Colchester in April 2010 and a soft one for Reading in 2013-14: (there might, of course, have been one or two that were missed, though not for us, I suspect). I see that there were complaints about him on DATM in 2013-14 after the Grimsby cup tie, where we had three good shouts for a penalty and he didn't give us one, but I really don't remember any of them. He did our crucial 3-1 win at Wolves at the end of the 2012-13 season. I remember Keith Southern provoking Jamie O'Hara into retaliating and the latter being sent off, practically from the kick off after Beckford's second.
The one Town player that he sent off was at Brentford in January 2006, his first time reffing us. He'd already dismissed Newman of Brentford, after only 17 minutes, for supposedly stamping on Brandon's head, but it was later rescinded. Town, of course, screwed up against ten men, going 1-0 down after 25 minutes. Then, on 47 minutes, Rachubka came out of his area and wiped out DJ Campbell, and Stroud applied the rules that day at least. Our performance improved with 10 men each but we lost 2-0.
Just watched the club's video of that 2005-06 season in order to see what Rachubka had done. It's really enjoyable, right up to the last match. I won't spoil the ending for anyone who hasn't seen it.
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Post by BRW on Dec 12, 2016 17:07:58 GMT 1
After Bristol City I decided to turn our Player Rating widget into a Referee Rating one with the thinking of getting supporter feedback on referees so far this season as well as for the rest of the campaign. If we rate players we should, probably even more importantly, rate the man in the middle. Here's the link and as ever, any feedback let me know - be interesting to see who is the best/worst come the end of the season! www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/rate-ref--your-chance-12309143 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 17:31:30 GMT 1
Thats not actually a bad idea
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 12, 2016 17:37:21 GMT 1
After Bristol City I decided to turn our Player Rating widget into a Referee Rating one with the thinking of getting supporter feedback on referees so far this season as well as for the rest of the campaign. If we rate players we should, probably even more importantly, rate the man in the middle. Here's the link and as ever, any feedback let me know - be interesting to see who is the best/worst come the end of the season! www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/rate-ref--your-chance-12309143It is, however, hard to remember specific refereeing performances as far back as August, even with links to the match reports. I've rated only the reffing performances that I can clearly recall. |
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Post by BRW on Dec 12, 2016 18:02:30 GMT 1
After Bristol City I decided to turn our Player Rating widget into a Referee Rating one with the thinking of getting supporter feedback on referees so far this season as well as for the rest of the campaign. If we rate players we should, probably even more importantly, rate the man in the middle. Here's the link and as ever, any feedback let me know - be interesting to see who is the best/worst come the end of the season! www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/rate-ref--your-chance-12309143It is, however, hard to remember specific refereeing performances as far back as August, even with links to the match reports. I've rated only the reffing performances that I can clearly recall. I know what you mean - tried to make it as easy to remember as possible but still difficult and really people are only going to remember the diabolical ones more than the good ones (i.e. those who just go quietly about their business). It's something I couldn't start in August but certainly will be putting the Ref Rating in from now onwards alongside the Player Ratings. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 12, 2016 21:01:53 GMT 1
Can I rate the ref for the upcoming Norwich game - James "don't you give me any backchat lad" - Linington now?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 21:40:44 GMT 1
It's one of the biggest problems in the sport yet the powers that be will not address it like they have in other sports..."because football is sacred" mantra. There's endless stoppages all the time anyway and every week points incorrectly distributed due to referee errors. Referees should all be ex pros and be accountable for their mistakes with fines, reprimands and ultimately demotion, just like in all other areas of elite sport. Then have the 2nd referees in front of tv screen to eradicate any howlers like in cricket. We could either give this power to refs or a review system to each captain. It's not hard to implement and everyone would get used to it soon enough and we can stop losing points like the 3 we should've had against Wigan. Why would ex-pros: A) want to be a ref when most will be loaded and not have the slightest interest in getting that amount of grief B) be any good as refs - most are thick as pig shit and barely understand the rules Come on now they're not all idiots & there are thousands of profs who retire and get regular jobs to maintain a reasonable liftestyle. Guys who've played in the lower leagues. |
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Post by jimmymcgill on Dec 12, 2016 22:09:44 GMT 1
Hope DW has a word with VLP before Friday night if he plays him with Linington as the ref after the Reading farce with that guy! In fact all the squad will have to keep their mouths shut! With him reffing and it being on TV chances are it could all go badly but let's just go for it and sod 'em all.
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Post by terrier25 on Dec 12, 2016 22:19:10 GMT 1
Can I rate the ref for the upcoming Norwich game - James "don't you give me any backchat lad" - Linington now? Is this seriously true? So soon after his debacle at Reading? Ive checked his card-count since then and he seems to average about 6 cards per game, far more than other refs. He will love the limelight of a TV game. He needs reminding of his failure to send off the Reading player for a professional foul in that game, by our management team. Get in his head because he is a weak person. |
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Post by BRW on Dec 12, 2016 23:12:44 GMT 1
Can I rate the ref for the upcoming Norwich game - James "don't you give me any backchat lad" - Linington now? Is this seriously true? So soon after his debacle at Reading? Ive checked his card-count since then and he seems to average about 6 cards per game, far more than other refs. He will love the limelight of a TV game. He needs reminding of his failure to send off the Reading player for a professional foul in that game, by our management team. Get in his head because he is a weak person. Agree - best behaviour is the order of the day, could be another Steve Martin situation in front of the Sky Cameras otherwise. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 13, 2016 14:43:12 GMT 1
Can I rate the ref for the upcoming Norwich game - James "don't you give me any backchat lad" - Linington now? So soon after his debacle at Reading? Ive checked his card-count since then and he seems to average about 6 cards per game, far more than other refs. He will love the limelight of a TV game. He needs reminding of his failure to send off the Reading player for a professional foul in that game, by our management team. Get in his head because he is a weak person. It most seriously IS true. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Dec 13, 2016 14:59:15 GMT 1
Can we rate how soft Norwich's penalty will be? I'm going with: "Makes Snodgrass look innocent".
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Post by midge on Dec 13, 2016 22:58:02 GMT 1
Think our players need to go to the Charlie Taylor school of diving!!🙄
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 13, 2016 23:01:49 GMT 1
The ref that gave leeds their pen tonight should never be allowed to referee a game again at any level.
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Post by impact on Dec 13, 2016 23:14:11 GMT 1
Leeds penalty tonight. Another world class dive from Taylor. Particularly enjoyed how far wide his legs go.
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Post by midge on Dec 13, 2016 23:17:50 GMT 1
How can a ref get that so wrong- he's about 5 yards away!? Having said that, Reading can't moan!!!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 13, 2016 23:52:38 GMT 1
How can a ref get that so wrong- he's about 5 yards away!? Having said that, Reading can't moan!!! Yeah they've had nine already |
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Post by impact on Dec 13, 2016 23:58:48 GMT 1
Leeds can now be added to the list of more penalties this season than we've have in 21 months.
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Post by wtd on Dec 14, 2016 0:01:40 GMT 1
Nobody's talking about our ref tonight. Makes a nice change.
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