Referees

[herrphilly]

Total incompetent. Never a sending off and a foul on Wells. Total crap

[NumeroUno]

Probably need to accept that we'll get precisely zero good decisions going our way or even a fair referee at all this season.
We aren't going to get any penalties, and we'll always be up against 12. The team need to be prepared for it and make sure that it doesn't matter what that c*** in the middle does.

[aksaiblue]

Jan 14, 2017 18:54:12 GMT 1 NumeroUno said:

Probably need to accept that we'll get precisely zero good decisions going our way or even a fair referee at all this season.
We aren't going to get any penalties, and we'll always be up against 12. The team need to be prepared for it and make sure that it doesn't matter what that c*** in the middle does.

Karma might come into play, we may get SW in the playoffs and batter them

[Moooooy]

Genuinely wouldn't be surprise if a lot of these refs were taking back handers from the bigger teams. If that Jack Payne challenge had been the other way around it would never have been a red, we just don't get soft decisions like that. Other teams get away with niggly fouls, time wasting etc but the first challenge a Town player makes ends in a booking, it happens every f**king week. It can't just be a coincidence and it won't even itself out in the remainder of the season it's gone too far for that.

[loumacari]

Graham Scott is now up there with the worst of them. That's 3 times he's completely and utterly screwed us.

[wardylad]

It would appear that whenever Graham Scott referees Town games, theres controversy.

WE ONLY GET SHIT REFS.

[morleyterrier]

So we ge another shit ref, nobody is surprised.

I tried in vain to suggest the Club and fans need to contest this ongoing injustice.

Look, we have to just accept that it is so.

[bluebeard]

Yet again a joke of a referee ruins the game and this seems to be getting worse.

[specialun]

Shouldn't be able to referee the same game ie home and away fixtures between two teams in the same season

[impact]

Imagine where we'd be if we got the decisions Leeds or Reading get?

[hypotenuse]

I always try to defend refs but I'm afraid he got 2 big calls wrong today against Town and probably altered the likely outcome.

[hypotenuse]

Jan 14, 2017 19:16:38 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

So we ge another shit ref, nobody is surprised.

I tried in vain to suggest the Club and fans need to contest this ongoing injustice.

Look, we have to just accept that it is so.

Worcester rugby club did so last year, compiling a video of all the terrible decisions that went against them in the first 15 games and sending it to the RFU. Seemed to work as the reffing in the remaining games improved markedly.

[Porrohman]

Jan 14, 2017 20:50:32 GMT 1 hypotenuse said:

Jan 14, 2017 19:16:38 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

So we ge another shit ref, nobody is surprised.

I tried in vain to suggest the Club and fans need to contest this ongoing injustice.

Look, we have to just accept that it is so.

Worcester rugby club did so last year, compiling a video of all the terrible decisions that went against them in the first 15 games and sending it to the RFU. Seemed to work as the reffing in the remaining games improved markedly.

If we do that the season will be over before they've got to the end of the video

Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards

[morleyterrier]

Jan 14, 2017 20:08:58 GMT 1 specialun said:

Shouldn't be able to referee the same game ie home and away fixtures between two teams in the same season

He shouldn't referee anytime anywhere this fucking idiot.

[bizkit]

Jan 14, 2017 19:03:02 GMT 1 aksaiblue said:

Jan 14, 2017 18:54:12 GMT 1 NumeroUno said:

Probably need to accept that we'll get precisely zero good decisions going our way or even a fair referee at all this season.
We aren't going to get any penalties, and we'll always be up against 12. The team need to be prepared for it and make sure that it doesn't matter what that c*** in the middle does.

Karma might come into play, we may get SW in the playoffs and batter them  

With town's luck we'd get Graham Scott as ref for the day.

[hypotenuse]

Favourite comment today - heard as I was returning to my car after the game from a Neanderthal Wednesday fan: "that ref was terrible - a real Huddersfield fan"
Genuinely hard to believe!

[softboy]

the more you watch the first goal the clearer and clearer the foul on the town player was - the most worrying aspect is that the ref was only 5 yards away so could not have missed it - he just choose not to give it

[aksaiblue]

Jan 14, 2017 21:46:25 GMT 1 bizkit said:

Jan 14, 2017 19:03:02 GMT 1 aksaiblue said:

Karma might come into play, we may get SW in the playoffs and batter them  

With town's luck we'd get Graham Scott as ref for the day.

Most probably

[tockyterrier]

Got to question the lino today for the Wells Foul. He must of been close and looking at it from behind the players involved so it would have been even more obvious to spot.

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

I've waited a few hours today before confirming my thoughts

1 - what an incompetient crew all the officials were today.

2 - We have dominated the missive for the bulk of both games and that ref has twice screwed us.

3 - channel 5 highlights. fucking shit heads. Showed nothing we did.

4 - Even the questioning of David Wagner was insulting, it has been established and repeated a dozen times what Dean & Davids plan is. Fiucking hell its working. Get behind him.

We were screwed repeatedly today.

Sorry for the rant i felt a little ill

UTT.

[impact]

So I make it:

Decisions For
Mooy possible red v Leeds
Kachunga offside v Norwich

50/50s Against
Reading last man not sent off
VLP handball v Weds home
Wells penalty v Brum (I thought this was a clear penalty but other disagreed)
Blackurn penalty away

Definites Against
Wells penalty v Wigan home
Kachinga penalty v Wigan home
"Foul" for Brum's goal
Penalty for handball v Brum
Keeper not sent off v Bristol
Foul(push) for goal Blackburn home
1st goal foul v Weds away
2nd goal offside v Weds away
Red card v Weds away

Any others?

[morleyterrier]

Jan 15, 2017 0:34:54 GMT 1 impact said:

So I make it:

Decisions For
Mooy possible red v Leeds
Kachunga offside v Norwich

50/50s Against
Reading last man not sent off
VLP handball v Weds home
Wells penalty v Brum (I thought this was a clear penalty but other disagreed)
Blackurn penalty away

Definites Against
Wells penalty v Wigan home
Kachinga penalty v Wigan home
"Foul" for Brum's goal
Penalty for handball v Brum
Keeper not sent off v Bristol
1st goal foul v Weds away
2nd goal offside v Weds away
Red card v Weds away

Any others?

I am going 'against' VLP sending off at Reading. I see every single week on TV, live matches, highlights etc signs of petulance and the usual lip reading where you can clearly see a Player swearing at a Referee, the punishment?, usually a word, rarely a yellow.

The Ref at Reading couldn't wait to get his card out and send VLP off. Another result influencing decision.

It's not inconceivable that we could have another 10 points, easy if there was fairness in the decisions, not decisions in our favour, just fairness.

[y2troy]

Is there like an independant referee panel that monitors referee performance just like in the Premiership. These lower refs are terrible and spoil the game and the FA want fairness and eqaulity in football then they have to look at all aspects of the game, i agree with lots of posts on here regarding so called bigger teams getting decisions all the time. If for example yesterday we put complaint in about the referee about key decisions he should give an explanation not just to us but the FA why he didnt blow up for example blow up for the foul on Wells even though he was few yards away , then if independant panel will have some sort of marking system or even drop him lower in league where they belong, it may not help us short term but long term it would filter these clowns out of the league.

[Terriersmad]

Jan 15, 2017 2:26:00 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Jan 15, 2017 0:34:54 GMT 1 impact said:

So I make it:

Decisions For
Mooy possible red v Leeds
Kachunga offside v Norwich

50/50s Against
Reading last man not sent off
VLP handball v Weds home
Wells penalty v Brum (I thought this was a clear penalty but other disagreed)
Blackurn penalty away

Definites Against
Wells penalty v Wigan home
Kachinga penalty v Wigan home
"Foul" for Brum's goal
Penalty for handball v Brum
Keeper not sent off v Bristol
1st goal foul v Weds away
2nd goal offside v Weds away
Red card v Weds away

Any others?

I am going 'against' VLP sending off at Reading. I see every single week on TV, live matches, highlights etc signs of petulance and the usual lip reading where you can clearly see a Player swearing at a Referee, the punishment?, usually a word, rarely a yellow.

The Ref at Reading couldn't wait to get his card out and send VLP off. Another result influencing decision.

It's not inconceivable that we could have another 10 points, easy if there was fairness in the decisions, not decisions in our favour, just fairness.

VLP was daft at Reading, Morley. Wasn't a booking for the first one (wasn't even a foul, being quite honest), but I have no qualms about the second. He walked away from a referee trying to call him over for a quiet word. I thought the referee was wrong to be calling him over after he was fouled and visibly frustrated, but once he refused to go over to him the ref didn't have a choice. He hadn't reacted well to the foul, and to be fair to the ref in this case he was probably just going to tell him to calm down because his frustration was boiling over until he walked away. The issue at Reading was that he booked a number of other Town players for minimal dissent (Löwe shouting 'hey' in frustration at a throw-in going the wrong way, for example) while Reading players got away with haranguing him. If a Town player walks away from a referee, regardless of previous cock-ups, I have no problem with a referee taking action.

I did a quick mental tot up and refs have cost us around 6 points this season. Points against Sheffield Wednesday twice as well as Reading, along with two points against Birmingham and quite conceivably three against Wigan. We claw back a couple of points because Mooy probably shouldn't have been on the pitch against Leeds to score, even if there was consistency in that game with that foul on Schindler also getting only a yellow. Other decisions have ended up not mattering - the penalty at Newcastle, for example, didn't matter in the end and I'd be the first to admit there's a nudge by Palmer on their defender, and the non-sending-off against Bristol City ended up helping us although it should still count as a (very bad) decision going against us. Even at Wigan the other day the ref was very poor and nearly cost us Billing for two soft fouls while they were able to fling themselves to the floor with impunity.

I'd like to think it'll change soon. Days like yesterday do happen. When they happen in isolation it's possible to say that the ref had a bad day, yes he cost us, but it's only one game and it's possible to write it off. It's just so frustrating when it consistently goes against us without respite. All being well we'll see an upturn in fortune in the remaining games - we're certainly owed it, particularly against our top 6 rivals.

[4 pts]

SSN do a section called Ref Watch on Mondays. Dermot Gallagher goes through all the weekends sending offs. He normally sticks up for refs (obviously) and try's to explain the reasons behind their decisions. Going off past history though, Scott is one ref Gallagher doesn't seem to rate and was also dug out by Howard Webb on a live FA Cup game on BT. Certainly goes to show that as a profession, even if you are awful at it, it generally doesn't matter, the Refs Association will back you whatever.

[tockyterrier]

Jan 15, 2017 0:34:54 GMT 1 impact said:

So I make it:

Decisions For
Mooy possible red v Leeds
Kachunga offside v Norwich

50/50s Against
Reading last man not sent off
VLP handball v Weds home
Wells penalty v Brum (I thought this was a clear penalty but other disagreed)
Blackurn penalty away

Definites Against
Wells penalty v Wigan home
Kachinga penalty v Wigan home
"Foul" for Brum's goal
Penalty for handball v Brum
Keeper not sent off v Bristol
1st goal foul v Weds away
2nd goal offside v Weds away
Red card v Weds away

Any others?

Against. Push in the back on Lowe for Blackburn goal at home. Though chances are it didn't cost us any points

[dumbo]

Jan 14, 2017 19:08:04 GMT 1 Moooooy said:

Genuinely wouldn't be surprise if a lot of these refs were taking back handers from the bigger teams. If that Jack Payne challenge had been the other way around it would never have been a red, we just don't get soft decisions like that. Other teams get away with niggly fouls, time wasting etc but the first challenge a Town player makes ends in a booking, it happens every f**king week. It can't just be a coincidence and it won't even itself out in the remainder of the season it's gone too far for that.

Not saying it is the case for Town's results, but I would think it a near certainty that some refs are dodgy.

Just got to look at the numbers invovled. Prem refs avergae around £70,000 pa. A decent wage no doubt, but when clubs are paying £200,000 a week in wages, £80million in transfer fees and relegation costing clubs £100 million. Throw in a few shady owners with links to corrupt politicians or worse. In an environment where the worlds governing body is totally corupt and where even the England manager is suspect. Then finally you have a job where it is fairly easy to subtly influence a game and no real consistency or scrutiny of performance.

It was only 2006 when the teams like Juventus, Fiorentina and Milan were caught red handed bribing refs and they were largely exposed with off field evidence not on. Would not be surprised at all if another similar story broke in the next few years.

[artysid]

I see the young lad who does the blog thought it was a definite sending off

8:20

[dumbo]

Jan 15, 2017 12:34:22 GMT 1 artysid said:

I see the young lad who does the blog thought it was a definite sending off

8:20

It's very good that lad's video. Must film nearly the whole match as he seems to catch lots of chances, but he missed the Payne challenge.

[jimmymcgill]

Jan 15, 2017 10:08:59 GMT 1 y2troy said:

Is there like an independant referee panel that monitors referee performance just like in the Premiership. These lower refs are terrible and spoil the game and the FA want fairness and eqaulity in football then they have to look at all aspects of the game, i agree with lots of posts on here regarding so called bigger teams getting decisions all the time. If for example yesterday we put complaint in about the referee about key decisions he should give an explanation not just to us but the FA why he didnt blow up for example blow up for the foul on Wells even though he was few yards away , then if independant panel will have some sort of marking system or even drop him lower in league where they belong, it may not help us short term but long term it would filter these clowns out of the league.

The trouble is this guy Scott IS a Premier league listed referee and has done a number of PL games this season - what hope for any of them?
Who gave him this game after the our home game v Massive? just like to wind us up I think!