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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 15, 2017 13:01:16 GMT 1
fouls are an 'opinion'...
it would appear that back chat or dissent depends on wether the particular ref feels 'insulted' on that particular day or has a natural human reaction to certain players and how they say things.
payne? seen hundreds of worse fouls receive nothing or a yellow. depends often on the view/angle the ref sees it from? oddly if you miss the player totally, even if the obvious intent is there, you rarely if ever get sent off? If you are shit at fouling you stay on?
wells? opinion of the ref, because he must have seen it.. no foul...
I have no excuses for some decisions that have gone against us this season so far.. some have pushed the word 'odd' to the limit of teetering into cheating?
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Post by impact on Jan 15, 2017 13:15:18 GMT 1
So I make it: Decisions For Mooy possible red v Leeds Kachunga offside v Norwich 50/50s Against Reading last man not sent off VLP handball v Weds home Wells penalty v Brum (I thought this was a clear penalty but other disagreed) Blackurn penalty away Definites Against Wells penalty v Wigan home Kachinga penalty v Wigan home "Foul" for Brum's goal Penalty for handball v Brum Keeper not sent off v Bristol 1st goal foul v Weds away 2nd goal offside v Weds away Red card v Weds away Any others? Against. Push in the back on Lowe for Blackburn goal at home. Though chances are it didn't cost us any points Cheers forgot that. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 15, 2017 13:18:25 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion.  |
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Post by artysid on Jan 15, 2017 13:24:28 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion. On the whole I would agree, but it would be naive to believe there are not rogues in any profession. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 15, 2017 13:34:56 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion. Agree - only ever seen one ref who was definitely cheating (or consciously biased, if you prefer). That was Ray Lewis in Feb '87 at Reading. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 13:35:34 GMT 1
For those who have to undergo appraisals at work & 1-2-1's etc...
Maybe we should suggest the Refs have these & the appraisals done by the fans.
Fans of any club, particularly those of clubs in the same division, will find it hard to be objective. The Wed fans yesterday will say it was a bit 50-50 with Wells, as often they are.
As MT says, it's the players that are a big part of the problem for Refs.
Pulling of shirts has got to the point now, that it's almost seen as gamesmanship - yet it's clearly a pre-emptive decision by a player to try and gain an advantage. A hand doesn't naturally clamp a grip on a shirt, unlike some generally natural handball incidents where players don't have the time to get out of the way. Shirt pulling is dead easy to spot as well, just that it seems to be coming acceptable by the Refs to keep the game flowing...
With the money in the game nowadays, Refs need to be more accountable than they currently are. Clubs should be allowed to lodge complaints if they feel a performance was poor. Not to affect the outcome or gain points back, but to try and drive more consistency into the 23rd person on the pitch. Linesmen can be as bad, but I think their job can often be more difficult than the Ref as their decisions get measured almost by slide rule analysis by the TV pundits...
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 14:14:06 GMT 1
So I make it: Decisions For Mooy possible red v Leeds Kachunga offside v Norwich 50/50s Against Reading last man not sent off VLP handball v Weds home Wells penalty v Brum (I thought this was a clear penalty but other disagreed) Blackurn penalty away Definites Against Wells penalty v Wigan home Kachinga penalty v Wigan home "Foul" for Brum's goal Penalty for handball v Brum Keeper not sent off v Bristol Foul(push) for goal Blackburn home 1st goal foul v Weds away wrong 2nd goal offside v Weds away wrong again Red card v Weds away a hat trick of wrongs Any others? |
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Post by blueray4 on Jan 15, 2017 14:20:17 GMT 1
I can't believe Fulham got a penalty against Barnsley yesterday. So soft. & Barnsley didn't get one. Neither were for me. But no consistency from refs.
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Post by dumbo on Jan 15, 2017 14:23:06 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion. What do they stand to gain? Delroy and Sam Sodje were doing it for about £50,000. Referees in Italy, Germany and the NBA were doing it for around £30,000 a game. Referees at the world cup and in South Korea were doing it for a lot less. Cricketers, snooker players and F1 drivers were doing it for between £10,000 and £100,000. Think it is beyond naive to believe it doesn't go on. Will happen in any sport or even business environment. Why you need proper checks and safeguarding measures. UK refs seem to be hardly scrutinised at all, although I don't know what goes on outside of the public view. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2017 14:25:41 GMT 1
It looks like Forestieri is level with Loewe when the ball comes in & Smith is definitely in front of him. Wells was definitely fouled though & Payne's red was daft. A mistimed challenge maybe but nowt else - I'd have been pissed off if that was a yellow.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2017 14:28:42 GMT 1
I don't think they're necessarily deliberately corrupt, but there will inevitably be more pressure on refs to give decisions to the more fashionable, well supported, "bigger" clubs. That could work in our favour in the FA Cup game against Rochdale, if there's a contentious decision in that game it's more likely to go in our favour than against us.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 15, 2017 14:34:18 GMT 1
I don't think they're necessarily deliberately corrupt, but there will inevitably be more pressure on refs to give decisions to the more fashionable, well supported, "bigger" clubs. That could work in our favour in the FA Cup game against Rochdale, if there's a contentious decision in that game it's more likely to go in our favour than against us. Hopefully we won't be dependent upon 'dodgy' calls by the ref for this game. Without wishing to sound arrogant - and it probably does anyway - we should have more than enough to win this game fair and square. |
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Post by terrier25 on Jan 15, 2017 14:42:53 GMT 1
I don't think they're necessarily deliberately corrupt, but there will inevitably be more pressure on refs to give decisions to the more fashionable, well supported, "bigger" clubs. That could work in our favour in the FA Cup game against Rochdale, if there's a contentious decision in that game it's more likely to go in our favour than against us. A ref in that game is going to be under pressure to continue the 'romance of the cup' and thus Rochdale will get the rub of the green there. There's hardly any games where a ref would feel under pressure to give Town a decision. Which is why we don't get any. |
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Post by hdee on Jan 15, 2017 14:49:45 GMT 1
Jesus christ .......this thread is pathetic get a grip !
do you realise how sad it makes us look ?
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2017 15:58:00 GMT 1
I don't think they're necessarily deliberately corrupt, but there will inevitably be more pressure on refs to give decisions to the more fashionable, well supported, "bigger" clubs. That could work in our favour in the FA Cup game against Rochdale, if there's a contentious decision in that game it's more likely to go in our favour than against us. Hopefully we won't be dependent upon 'dodgy' calls by the ref for this game. Without wishing to sound arrogant - and it probably does anyway - we should have more than enough to win this game fair and square. True, but then just because you don't need a dodgy call, doesn't mean you won't get one. Port Vale are a crap side that's in turmoil, I expect Rochdale to provide a sterner test than PV did. I could equally have said the same for our game v Burton re ref calls. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2017 15:59:35 GMT 1
I don't think they're necessarily deliberately corrupt, but there will inevitably be more pressure on refs to give decisions to the more fashionable, well supported, "bigger" clubs. That could work in our favour in the FA Cup game against Rochdale, if there's a contentious decision in that game it's more likely to go in our favour than against us. A ref in that game is going to be under pressure to continue the 'romance of the cup' and thus Rochdale will get the rub of the green there. There's hardly any games where a ref would feel under pressure to give Town a decision. Which is why we don't get any. If that's true, then let's hope we beat Rochdale & get a glamour tie vs a Premier League giant. We'll get all our penalties for the season in that one game! |
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Post by ajwterrier on Jan 15, 2017 18:31:50 GMT 1
Can anyone find a clip from Leeds game last year at our place where the Leeds player on a yellow card "tackled" Billing (I think), was at least a yellow if not a straight red and the referee a certain Graham Scott did nothing but give a foul. The irony was the Leeds player then set the first goal up. Mr Scott is a Northern Premier official at best.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2017 18:37:35 GMT 1
Can anyone find a clip from Leeds game last year at our place where the Leeds player on a yellow card "tackled" Billing (I think), was at least a yellow if not a straight red and the referee a certain Graham Scott did nothing but give a foul. The irony was the Leeds player then set the first goal up. Mr Scott is a Northern Premier official at best. Wootton tackled Huws in the bollocks and the incompetent twat bottled it Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 15, 2017 18:38:27 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion. Agree - only ever seen one ref who was definitely cheating (or consciously biased, if you prefer). That was Ray Lewis in Feb '87 at Reading. You werent following us when Peter Willis was reffing then. Defo took brown envelopes that one |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 19:12:00 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion. I agree. We often go down way too easy, basically looking for the refs decisions. I think we may have possibly gained a bit of a reputation for 'looking for it'. Wells went down a bit easily before the first goal IMO. The 2 Wigan penalty shouts were stonewallers though... mistakes by the officials rather than a conspiracy though. |
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Post by bizkit on Jan 15, 2017 19:31:52 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion. You only have to read other teams threads to know they are incompetent. Most also seem to think some teams get more decisions then others. But do agree it's a bloody hard job and made harder by cheats. They get the one view in a split second and have to trust their instincts I suspect in some cases. Which leaves me to suggest that with the technological advancements we have, they should be used. The game can continue, but the camera ref would look at any debatable decision of a sending off at many angles or just a booking instead of a sending off and be able to overule any incorrect ones. I like looking at conspiracy theories, but suggest the bigger clubs wouldn't want that as I think they do get the better of the bad decisions. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 15, 2017 23:35:05 GMT 1
Can anyone find a clip from Leeds game last year at our place where the Leeds player on a yellow card "tackled" Billing (I think), was at least a yellow if not a straight red and the referee a certain Graham Scott did nothing but give a foul. The irony was the Leeds player then set the first goal up. Mr Scott is a Northern Premier official at best. He booked Crainie for a foul but then didn't book Wootton a couple of minutes later for a slightly worse (but very similar) challenge. The difference was that Wootton had already been booked and so would have been sent off. Scott bottled this as well - another decision which changed the course of the game because, as pointed out, Wootton then set the first goal up. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 16, 2017 1:16:35 GMT 1
Sheff Weds player who fouled Wells are end was a much worse foul than Payne's, but only got booked.
He gets sent off, he misses next game (like Payne) It's Like a double let off for Wednesday. Frustrating considering its against Brighton
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Jan 16, 2017 2:45:14 GMT 1
I think that referees have an extremely difficult job and are rarely thanked when they do it well but always abused when done badly, and always under pressure. However it is tiresome how often a result of a game seems to be directly effected by a poor refereeing decision. Are we the only team that feels hard done by? Probably not I'm sure all teams can think of times this season big decisions have gone against them.
How does this stop and how do refereeing mistakes stop having such a big say in results. Human error will always be there, and so the complaining and ridiculing that fans take a strange pleasure from will always continue.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 16, 2017 9:39:28 GMT 1
Sheff Weds player who fouled Wells are end was a much worse foul than Payne's, but only got booked. He gets sent off, he misses next game (like Payne) It's Like a double let off for Wednesday. Frustrating considering its against Brighton Except that Payne misses three games. Violent conduct. |
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Post by ram on Jan 16, 2017 10:55:11 GMT 1
I think football is played by 22 men attempting to win,and three twats determined to ruin it.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 16, 2017 10:59:27 GMT 1
Sheff Weds player who fouled Wells are end was a much worse foul than Payne's, but only got booked. He gets sent off, he misses next game (like Payne) It's Like a double let off for Wednesday. Frustrating considering its against Brighton As I've said before, I have a hunch that this is all about "big team subconcious bias" by officials, and there is some great research out there for someone with the inclination. |
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Post by huddshroom on Jan 16, 2017 13:47:16 GMT 1
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jan 16, 2017 14:13:13 GMT 1
What do we think the ref saw with the Payne challenge then? Because he certainly had no doubts and went straight for the red card but no matter how many times I view it I can't see anything that looks too bad. His feet stay low and flat, so no studs showing. He doesn't catch their guy anywhere dangerous and is only a fraction away from blocking the ball, which is clearly the only intention of Jacks after he has initially lost it.
If we're saying the refs aren't cheating then what on earth did he see to be so sure?
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