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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 16, 2017 14:19:59 GMT 1
What do we think the ref saw with the Payne challenge then? Because he certainly had no doubts and went straight for the red card but no matter how many times I view it I can't see anything that looks too bad. His feet stay low and flat, so no studs showing. He doesn't catch their guy anywhere dangerous and is only a fraction away from blocking the ball, which is clearly the only intention of Jacks after he has initially lost it. If we're saying the refs aren't cheating then what on earth did he see to be so sure? I have to also give credit to their Player who did not make a meal of it. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 16, 2017 14:20:13 GMT 1
Agree - only ever seen one ref who was definitely cheating (or consciously biased, if you prefer). That was Ray Lewis in Feb '87 at Reading. You werent following us when Peter Willis was reffing then. Defo took brown envelopes that one Definitely was following Town then and (after early awful stuff and becoming a figure of ridicule at Leeds Road) we won nearly all the home games he reffed! Strutted around and was incompetent but not a cheat. Perhaps favoured home teams? |
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Post by E4b on Jan 16, 2017 14:26:38 GMT 1
The standard of refereeing has reached a new low this season. I have not been to 1 match this season where the ref has not had a negative influence on the game. The ref on Saturday was a disgrace and I have seen another half a dozen at least as bad, if not worse, this season alone. For me they are getting mighty close to ruining the game of football.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 16, 2017 14:28:24 GMT 1
Are we not bothering to appeal it then ? It was a shite decision from an incompetent twat Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by realmadkid on Jan 16, 2017 14:34:35 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town @htafcdotcom · 2m2 minutes ago
CONFIRMED: #htafc has NOT appealed against @jackopayne1's red card at the weekend; he'll be suspended for the next three games (DTS)
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Post by royalflush on Jan 16, 2017 14:40:15 GMT 1
Let's hope this means Palmer is fit for Saturday. They only reserve three match bans for violent conduct...the camera angle MUST be hiding something??! Assume only not appealing as they know how FA will treat us with disdain anyway.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 16, 2017 14:42:56 GMT 1
You werent following us when Peter Willis was reffing then. Defo took brown envelopes that one Definitely was following Town then and (after early awful stuff and becoming a figure of ridicule at Leeds Road) we won nearly all the home games he reffed! Strutted around and was incompetent but not a cheat. Perhaps favoured home teams? Hard for a reffing thread to come up here without the spectre of Peter Willis looming. I had to check but he's still around, pushing 80 now. First ref to send off a player in an FA cup final. You could somehow tell he'd been a copper by the way he reffed. |
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Post by royalflush on Jan 16, 2017 15:05:42 GMT 1
Let's hope this means Palmer is fit for Saturday. They only reserve three match bans for violent conduct...the camera angle MUST be hiding something??! Assume only not appealing as they know how FA will treat us with disdain anyway.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 16, 2017 16:27:21 GMT 1
Let's hope this means Palmer is fit for Saturday. They only reserve three match bans for violent conduct...the camera angle MUST be hiding something??! Assume only not appealing as they know how FA will treat us with disdain anyway. Serious foul play is a 3 match ban too and that's what came up on Soccer Saturday when he got the red. Still a shit decision and another to not appeal Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by araucaria on Jan 16, 2017 16:39:58 GMT 1
You werent following us when Peter Willis was reffing then. Defo took brown envelopes that one Definitely was following Town then and (after early awful stuff and becoming a figure of ridicule at Leeds Road) we won nearly all the home games he reffed! Strutted around and was incompetent but not a cheat. Perhaps favoured home teams? Willis was, as Hypotenuse says, well behaved after those first three horror shows. He certainly reffed our 5-1 home win over Millwall, with highlights on the telly, the last time we went up automatically. I once had a meal in Newcastle where a football league linesman was present, more than 20 years ago. He was from Blyth and he had a fund of stories. He was quite proud of chalking off a goal that would have given Lee Chapman a hat-trick for Leeds at Elland Road. I found myself warming to him after that. I asked him if he knew Peter Willis. He said he heard him speak once at some function or other and he told a story about reffing Man Utd at Old Trafford, where he incurred Bryan Robson's displeasure for a decision he'd just made. Robson and his team-mates, including Gordon Strachan, surrounded him and Robson was shouting at Willis 'do you know who I am? Do you know who I am?' Willis said 'free kick to the yellows and, for fuck sake Gordon, tell him who he is.' I was delighted when the large pizza proved to be too much for my new acquaintance so that I could say 'the linesman's flagging'. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 16, 2017 16:56:55 GMT 1
Let's hope this means Palmer is fit for Saturday. They only reserve three match bans for violent conduct... the camera angle MUST be hiding something??! Assume only not appealing as they know how FA will treat us with disdain anyway. The video shown on SKY and C5 makes it hard to tell if the studs are up or otherwise, which probably accounts for Town's decision not to contest it. I thought at the time that it looked inconclusive and expected Town not to appeal. As for the " the camera angle MUST be hiding something??!" comment, I don't understand; the ref saw a reckless challenge and issued a straight red for violent conduct which carries an automatic three-match ban. The camera angle simply makes it unclear as to whether or not that could be disputed and Town, wisely, decided to agree. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Jan 16, 2017 17:25:52 GMT 1
Let's hope this means Palmer is fit for Saturday. They only reserve three match bans for violent conduct...the camera angle MUST be hiding something??! Assume only not appealing as they know how FA will treat us with disdain anyway. Serious foul play is a 3 match ban too and that's what came up on Soccer Saturday when he got the red. Still a shit decision and another to not appeal Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Don't blame us, to be honest. Although under a fair system we'd succeed, the FA appeals system is stacked against the appellant unless they play for Newcastle United and have obviously kicked someone in the head. All you need to know about it is that we've had one successful appeal in 25 years and our unsuccessful appeals include Jon Worthington at Accrington (I stand corrected by someone a while back, I always thought we hadn't appealed it until recently!) and Matt Glennon at Southend, despite their striker writing to the FA to say he wasn't touched and their striker also appealing to the ref at the time. |
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Post by detox on Jan 16, 2017 17:49:21 GMT 1
problem with Payne is he was trying to get his foot round the other side of the ball, to reclaim it - in doing that his foot is bound to be raised...we see this all the time but unfortunately for Payne their player was about to kick the ball away ...the result was Payne's raised foot..with studs showing, didn't quite make it behind the ball but made contact with their guys shins... That's how I saw it. It was an accident and not a deliberate foul but in making contact it is dangerous play, or serious foul play if you like and a compulsory red card. However , if you watched the Man Utd game on Sunday you'd see Rooney raise hit boot and catch Milner a lot worse than Payne did in his foul - did Rooney get a red card ? nope. That is the inconsistency of referees despite the fact they are full time refs, have all the time in the world to brush up on the rules and know how to interpret incidents and even watch replays...on that basis they should all make the same decisions but no, Payne off...Rooney stays on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 20:11:43 GMT 1
Refs are not cheats. What do they stand to gain? They're simply, to a greater or lesser degree, incompetent. They have a hard job to do, made more difficult by cheating players; yes, the players certainly DO cheat. Anyone who believes that that referees are consciously cheating is way wide of the mark. Just my opinion.  I agree. We often go down way too easy, basically looking for the refs decisions. I think we may have possibly gained a bit of a reputation for 'looking for it'. Wells went down a bit easily before the first goal IMO. The 2 Wigan penalty shouts were stonewallers though... mistakes by the officials rather than a conspiracy though. The Wed player had half a yard of shirt - think you could just shrug that off & get on with things - it was hardly a skirmish... |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 16, 2017 21:23:44 GMT 1
Serious foul play is a 3 match ban too and that's what came up on Soccer Saturday when he got the red. Still a shit decision and another to not appeal Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Don't blame us, to be honest. Although under a fair system we'd succeed, the FA appeals system is stacked against the appellant unless they play for Newcastle United and have obviously kicked someone in the head. All you need to know about it is that we've had one successful appeal in 25 years and our unsuccessful appeals include Jon Worthington at Accrington (I stand corrected by someone a while back, I always thought we hadn't appealed it until recently!) and Matt Glennon at Southend, despite their striker writing to the FA to say he wasn't touched and their striker also appealing to the ref at the time. Well remembered - 2 of the most ridiculous decisions ever not to overturn those |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jan 16, 2017 21:56:18 GMT 1
This is why there is no point in us appealing the red card, referees always side with each other, 4 minutes in. |
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Post by EatonRifles on Jan 16, 2017 23:05:59 GMT 1
This is why there is no point in us appealing the red card, referees always side with each other, 4 minutes in. Closed shop, how the blistering f*** can they say that the Wells aspect is a tussle?? It boils my piss the way they close ranks, I'm not going to slag off Hirst, he's an Owl through and through, he's bound to stick up for them the way Boothy would for us against nearly every opponent (excepting Wednesday, although I hope Boothy has a bit more honesty/integrity). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 23:52:09 GMT 1
As much as this riles me...
All this boils down to is the directives handed down by FIFA, the FA etc., to keep the game flowing.
In an outfield location (generally in the middle of the pitch), then 9 times out of 10 that foul on Wells wouldn't have ended up with a shot being in the back of the net 3 seconds later & this thread wouldn't have been extended by god knows how many pages.
In a penalty box scenario (typically at a corner), that same type of foul in the box would have ended up a penalty or a free kick to the defender.
That's the inconsistency - a foul is a foul, is a foul. Where on the pitch it's carried out is irrelevant, yet so many times we see a different outcome for the same offence, influenced by the location of the offence. It's a bloody nonsense really. In reality there should be about 6 penalties in every game if they just had a B&W rule book to refer to, instead of the meddling by FIFA...
A la Helan, though, some of those refs are just incompetent. no way in this day & age something like that should happen. But it also sums up the cheating bastards that take a right lump of cash out of the game and make the job of the Ref that little bit harder...
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Post by buzz on Jan 17, 2017 0:59:19 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!!
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 17, 2017 1:07:05 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!! I'd rather have a tin pot head than a fucking MASSIVE one. |
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Post by impact on Jan 17, 2017 1:14:59 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!! To say you don't care about us you seem to be on here an awful lot. |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jan 17, 2017 1:25:19 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!! You don't care about us, good, in that case FUCK OFF DATM and get back to Owls talk. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 17, 2017 7:44:59 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!! Strange that you've not been near here for months you prick Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 8:02:24 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!! What's a tin pit head? Is it a mining phrase? Or have you not yet mastered simple CVC words? Try watching Countdown, that might help with your work building. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 17, 2017 8:08:14 GMT 1
Tin pot town in "all the refs hate us shocker" get over your selves! Nobody cares about town! They really don't! Even Leeds don't care about you! It's all in your little tin pit heads!! He's back everybody!  |
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Post by ram on Jan 17, 2017 10:47:25 GMT 1
What do we think the ref saw with the Payne challenge then? Because he certainly had no doubts and went straight for the red card but no matter how many times I view it I can't see anything that looks too bad. His feet stay low and flat, so no studs showing. He doesn't catch their guy anywhere dangerous and is only a fraction away from blocking the ball, which is clearly the only intention of Jacks after he has initially lost it. If we're saying the refs aren't cheating then what on earth did he see to be so sure? He saw someone in a blue & white striped shirt with a Huddersfield Town badge on it..must be them 3 stars which we don,t deserve obviously!  |
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Post by ram on Jan 17, 2017 10:50:04 GMT 1
Definitely was following Town then and (after early awful stuff and becoming a figure of ridicule at Leeds Road) we won nearly all the home games he reffed! Strutted around and was incompetent but not a cheat. Perhaps favoured home teams? Hard for a reffing thread to come up here without the spectre of Peter Willis looming. I had to check but he's still around, pushing 80 now. First ref to send off a player in an FA cup final. You could somehow tell he'd been a copper by the way he reffed. For every peter Willis,I give you Roger Kirkpatrick!  |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 17, 2017 11:38:26 GMT 1
Trevor Kettle is another that seems to get stick from fans of many different clubs. Mike Jones will always be on our hit list for sending Worthington off at Accrington.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 17, 2017 12:23:54 GMT 1
Trevor Kettle is another that seems to get stick from fans of many different clubs. Mike Jones will always be on our hit list for sending Worthington off at Accrington. And Nakhi at Millwall Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by araucaria on Jan 18, 2017 11:03:37 GMT 1
Hard for a reffing thread to come up here without the spectre of Peter Willis looming. I had to check but he's still around, pushing 80 now. First ref to send off a player in an FA cup final. You could somehow tell he'd been a copper by the way he reffed. For every peter Willis,I give you Roger Kirkpatrick! Peter Willis's Mini Me. |
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