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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 30, 2021 12:07:50 GMT 1
Not mentioned in the match report, but if you read the comments in 'Have Your Say' it becomes apparent that the ball was deflected to him by a defender. Same comments say that he was still offside when the ball was played forward by his own player though, so not quite sure what to make of it all. I used to be au fait with all the rules of football, but these days I just can't get my head around many of them. Surely the touch from the opposition player indicates a new passage of play, making him onside? Does the touch by the opposition player have to be intentional, ie a misplaced pass? I assume contact with the ball from an opposition player rule still applies? The offside rule is terribly messy these days.If you're offside, you're offside. That's what it should be, but these days it never is. Bloody stupid rules nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 12:53:08 GMT 1
Always thought that Coventry were in a false position. Down to Carlos now to come up with a plan. Why in a false position they all could say that at this moment they are in the position they deserve
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 30, 2021 12:55:21 GMT 1
Always thought that Coventry were in a false position. Down to Carlos now to come up with a plan. Why in a false position they all could say that at this moment they are in the position they deserve False position based on the lack of quality in their squad in my opinion. I fully expect a bottom six position for Coventry and a great result for us on Saturday.
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Post by impact on Sept 30, 2021 14:19:22 GMT 1
Not mentioned in the match report, but if you read the comments in 'Have Your Say' it becomes apparent that the ball was deflected to him by a defender. Same comments say that he was still offside when the ball was played forward by his own player though, so not quite sure what to make of it all. I used to be au fait with all the rules of football, but these days I just can't get my head around many of them. Surely the touch from the opposition player indicates a new passage of play, making him onside? Does the touch by the opposition player have to be intentional, ie a misplaced pass? I assume contact with the ball from an opposition player rule still applies? The offside rule is terribly messy these days. I haven't seen the incident in question but the defender has to deliberately play the ball for it to be a new passage of play. The ball deflecting off him doesn't count. The only exception to this is a save by the keeper which would still be offside.
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Post by impact on Sept 30, 2021 14:26:06 GMT 1
I can't find a better video but this is the worst penalty call I think I've ever seen. The Sevilla player kicks the Wolfsberg players, and not only did Sevilla get a penalty, the defender got a 2nd yellow.
And what's worse is the ref saw a replay of this and gave it.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 30, 2021 14:38:39 GMT 1
Surely the touch from the opposition player indicates a new passage of play, making him onside? Does the touch by the opposition player have to be intentional, ie a misplaced pass? I assume contact with the ball from an opposition player rule still applies? The offside rule is terribly messy these days. I haven't seen the incident in question but the defender has to deliberately play the ball for it to be a new passage of play. The ball deflecting off him doesn't count. The only exception to this is a save by the keeper which would still be offside. Again that's open to interpretation, what constitutes a deliberate play of the ball? Does a defender sticking out a leg to direct a goal bound shot away from the ball count as deliberate play?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 30, 2021 14:38:48 GMT 1
Surely the touch from the opposition player indicates a new passage of play, making him onside? Does the touch by the opposition player have to be intentional, ie a misplaced pass? I assume contact with the ball from an opposition player rule still applies? The offside rule is terribly messy these days. I haven't seen the incident in question but the defender has to deliberately play the ball for it to be a new passage of play. The ball deflecting off him doesn't count. The only exception to this is a save by the keeper which would still be offside. I've looked again at the recorded highlights (only saw it the once earlier) - he's onside. Liner got it wrong. www.skysports.com/football/barnsley-vs-nottingham-forest/report/447452
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Post by impact on Sept 30, 2021 15:25:19 GMT 1
I haven't seen the incident in question but the defender has to deliberately play the ball for it to be a new passage of play. The ball deflecting off him doesn't count. The only exception to this is a save by the keeper which would still be offside. Again that's open to interpretation, what constitutes a deliberate play of the ball? Does a defender sticking out a leg to direct a goal bound shot away from the ball count as deliberate play? No that's not deliberate. The law itself is woolly but the refs are directed with what counts by their respective leagues and FIFA or the IFAB. This was released a bit ago by FIFA: To clarify the position, FIFA have also provided the following considerations for what constitutes a ‘deliberate’ play on the ball: A defender goes to play the ball – conscious action The defender has time and options The defender has control of his actions – not the outcome of the action There is distance and space between the pass and the defender playing the ball
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Post by impact on Sept 30, 2021 16:04:48 GMT 1
I haven't seen the incident in question but the defender has to deliberately play the ball for it to be a new passage of play. The ball deflecting off him doesn't count. The only exception to this is a save by the keeper which would still be offside. I've looked again at the recorded highlights (only saw it the once earlier) - he's onside. Liner got it wrong. www.skysports.com/football/barnsley-vs-nottingham-forest/report/447452It's a terrible decision. He's well on.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Sept 30, 2021 21:37:45 GMT 1
Just turned over to watch the last 25 minutes or so of the West Ham game. The referee has, quite rightly, overturned his decision to give a penalty to Rapid Vienna after watching the screen. But why hasn't he then booked the player for diving? The defender clearly didn't touch him and then the forward did that trick that some players have finessed (Jamie Vardy among them) of tripping himself up to throw himself to the ground.
It's cheating, nothing less, so why hasn't he been booked?
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 30, 2021 23:52:00 GMT 1
Just turned over to watch the last 25 minutes or so of the West Ham game. The referee has, quite rightly, overturned his decision to give a penalty to Rapid Vienna after watching the screen. But why hasn't he then booked the player for diving? The defender clearly didn't touch him and then the forward did that trick that some players have finessed (Jamie Vardy among them) of tripping himself up to throw himself to the ground. It's cheating, nothing less, so why hasn't he been booked? Same reason as the prick on Tuesday didn't book the Blackburn player for diving in injury time. Incompetence.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Oct 1, 2021 20:11:25 GMT 1
Tommy smith passes it back to the centre back when he can play a man clean through
Never change Tommy!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 1, 2021 20:15:46 GMT 1
Tommy smith passes it back to the centre back when he can play a man clean through Never change Tommy! The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?)
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Post by Detective Boyle on Oct 1, 2021 20:28:18 GMT 1
Tommy smith passes it back to the centre back when he can play a man clean through Never change Tommy! The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?) Bloody hell, calm down Mrs. Smith I thought he was a great player, and in fact his goal against Rotherham is one of my favourite memories as a town fan, but there’s no denying he had a habit of passing it backwards when the forward pass was on. Unquestionable imo
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Post by 28901 on Oct 1, 2021 20:31:45 GMT 1
Tommy smith passes it back to the centre back when he can play a man clean through Never change Tommy! The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?) Smith and Kachunga. I'll never understand how Wagner got that team promoted to the PL.
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Post by King Curtis on Oct 1, 2021 20:45:55 GMT 1
The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?) Bloody hell, calm down Mrs. Smith I thought he was a great player, and in fact his goal against Rotherham is one of my favourite memories as a town fan, but there’s no denying he had a habit of passing it backwards when the forward pass was on. Unquestionable imo But also had the habit of overlapping his winger at ANY opportunity. We are talking about a high quality Championship RB... he won't have it all. He's not Cafu, Dani Alves or Javier Zanetti... but he was bloody good for Town!
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Post by King Curtis on Oct 1, 2021 20:47:05 GMT 1
The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?) Smith and Kachunga. I'll never understand how Wagner got that team promoted to the PL. Why?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 1, 2021 20:51:04 GMT 1
The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?) Bloody hell, calm down Mrs. Smith :D I thought he was a great player, and in fact his goal against Rotherham is one of my favourite memories as a town fan, but there’s no denying he had a habit of passing it backwards when the forward pass was on. Unquestionable imo That response made me laugh when I look at your avatar thingumyjig...
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 1, 2021 20:51:16 GMT 1
The same Tommy Smith that seemed to provide a fair few assists to Kachunga, and also popped up with some goals himself (Rotherham away? Late 3-2 winner?) Smith and Kachunga. I'll never understand how Wagner got that team promoted to the PL. Because he was a genius.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 21:24:18 GMT 1
Tommy smith passes it back to the centre back when he can play a man clean through Never change Tommy! First time he passes it forward and he grabs an assist!
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Post by impact on Oct 1, 2021 21:28:20 GMT 1
2 years ago today it was us playing Stoke and finally getting our first win in 8 months.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 1, 2021 21:54:53 GMT 1
Smith and Kachunga. I'll never understand how Wagner got that team promoted to the PL. Why? Because they played way above their level and natural ability for a time under him.
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Post by paulsg on Oct 1, 2021 21:59:38 GMT 1
We’ll always have Rotherham…
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 2, 2021 2:59:04 GMT 1
Tommy Smith, playing for 3rd in table Stoke City? That Tommy Smith?
In a different stance, perhaps our performance at stoke may yet be viewed as not a bad performance?
Long way to go...starting today?
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Post by orinoco on Oct 2, 2021 9:37:58 GMT 1
Tommy Smith, playing for 3rd in table Stoke City? That Tommy Smith? In a different stance, perhaps our performance at stoke may yet be viewed as not a bad performance? Long way to go...starting today? Should have had a point at stoke
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 10:03:58 GMT 1
Tommy Smith, playing for 3rd in table Stoke City? That Tommy Smith? In a different stance, perhaps our performance at stoke may yet be viewed as not a bad performance? Long way to go...starting today? Actually I thought the performance at Stoke wasn't too bad, good away effort against a decent team, but for 2 instances of lack of focus, 1st that sucker moment of having just scored, the perception would be a lot better. And a minor influence of a Wanker in the crowd called Moaner shouting abuse & criticism at players, negatively affecting the perception of all those within earshot and distracting them from supporting the team (worst away experience I have had in 53 years) only after thinking about afterwards did I reassess my thoughts on the game & realise I had been sucked into his negativity.
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Post by durhamterrier on Oct 2, 2021 10:14:44 GMT 1
Free hit for me today . Ground we are notoriously poor at, bar Junior Mendes back in 2004…
3 points would be a miracle , 1 point would suffice , 0 points isn’t the end of the world .
Come on Town - give us something to cheer about for the next fortnight
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Post by detox on Oct 2, 2021 12:22:35 GMT 1
Coventry v Fulham this lunchtime.. Coventry won all 5 home games so far, conceding just 2 goals...but that thumping at Luton midweek might have an effect.
probably a draw best for us to keep everyone still within reach...assuming we get something from Luton
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Post by 28901 on Oct 2, 2021 12:52:18 GMT 1
Always thought that Coventry were in a false position. Down to Carlos now to come up with a plan. Why in a false position they all could say that at this moment they are in the position they deserve So if you play all the shit teams first and win then lose to all the decent teams you wouldnt have been in a false position after the first few games? Are you as old and miserable in real life, or is it just a character you have invented for this board?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Oct 2, 2021 12:59:13 GMT 1
Due to our pattern of up/down results I’m expecting a loss today (which wouldn’t be the end of the world), but a win coupled with a good performance would be fantastic and maybe even a statement of intention…
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