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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2017 19:09:58 GMT 1
For almost the first time, what Wagner is saying about strikers and defenders in this interview makes NO sense. How bizarre. He seems to be saying we don't need another striker because our two defenders had goal scoring chances (that they didn't score from)? Talking rubbish. And that's from an expert on the subject Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 14, 2017 19:14:14 GMT 1
Wagner got his Team selection wrong today. We move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 19:15:22 GMT 1
Look boys and girls. You need effective strikers to win games, regardless of whether they come from the academy, Bradford, Brentford or Mars. We don't have enough of them. It's not Deans fault they cost a lot of money, and are hard to come by, it's the same for every other football club. If we can't address the problem, then we need to look at why we can't address the problem, not just the problem itself. You either spend the money on buying the player, or you spend the money on finding the player.
Or don't release Ishmail Miller, if you can't replace him. He's not the answer, but he's closer to it than Mark Hudson. I'm certainly not demanding a 3m striker to be signed. I'm just frustrated that we don't even have an average/decent one as an option. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 14, 2017 19:15:59 GMT 1
Don't think we played so badly today but there are a few things that concern me. In tight games when we dominated and play well like we did today in the first half, we don't take the lead and it bites uso on the arse. Secondly, when we do go behind we don't seem to know what to do about it, which what it looked like today. We had one or two half chances after we went behind but never really looked like scoring if I'm honest.
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Post by explorer on Jan 14, 2017 19:21:19 GMT 1
Fulham loanee .. if you are talking about Chris Martin (he didn't score the winner today btw as it ended 2-0) Hate to tell you this but the first goal in a 2-0 win is the winner btw Show me a single match report ever written that says "xxxxx scored the winner in a 2-0 victory" and I'll let you have that;-) |
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Post by Fantoolong on Jan 14, 2017 19:30:25 GMT 1
Just back. A game of two halves, we did our usual dominance of play, but seemed to lack any real imagination. Billing played reasonably well, we kept punting balls down the left, at pace , to the new boy Isiah, all to no avail, that needs some work.Hef missed a more than decent chance with his head, on target it would certainly have gone in. Second half we just seemed to be against a different team. Later Lowe narrowly missed a very well taken free kick from the edge of the area, but there was no disputing the quality of their opener. In the second half our defence seemed to be in dissaray, Moy was off form with the ball being take from his feet whilst he was napping on at least two occasions. Our heads went down, but when they got their second we rallied for a while, but they were the better side by far in the second half. Good Town following, Wednesday fans were fairly quiet, that is until they scored. Jack being sent off, it didnt look like a red card from where I was but hey ho.We are 5th, we move on, but we were, overall, pretty poor.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 14, 2017 19:33:46 GMT 1
we have 1 point from games where we went behind..hefs arse got us that point..
20 odd games shows us how hard this system is...we go behind, we continue with it until the dying minutes and we get 1 point..
we have huge periods of possession but dont produce much in attacking moves/chances..
you have to be able to mix up what you do and not just for the cavalry charge, which merely cost us another one today..
we must get some variation throughout the games..
our system will work in games but the 'game or the state of the game' sometimes does not suit it at all and all that happens is we continue on struggling and doing little..
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Post by mrg on Jan 14, 2017 19:36:19 GMT 1
The club haven't fucked up though have they. They put a plan in place last season to change the way approach we had to games and the way we play. They spent the money they could afford on players that they had scouted and could afford and we now have a squad which has taken us from potential relegation every season to play-off contenders in half a season. I'm well happy at that and think that the future is bright. But now we get people like you that get greedy/impatient about lack of strikers. Maybe our choice in summer was palmer, schindler and Mooy OR a striker? What a ridiculous speech. A) yes, on this issue they have fucked up, quite clearly. B) what has the "plan in place" got to do with anything!? C) Greedy? Am I being greedy suggesting that Hudson is inadequate as a striker? Am I? Has Hudson ever done anything when he's gone up front? D) Clearly we can afford another striker. Don't be so naive. Mate, dw and Dean attempted to sign at least 2 bundeslega (sp) strikers terrode and ute I believe on top of the 5.5m we have already spent. While I'm a bit annoyed town have seemingly allowed winnall to go to Wednesday on wages I guess we need to face the fact that we have a structure and that is that. We buy young players cheaply and sell, across the board at a profit while paying no-one more than 750k a year until further notice. It's a tough market. There will be highs and lows. Of one thing I am sure though, the guy who earns the most money needs to push himself a bit harder and focus on the campaign starting in August. Hopefully he gets to one in 2 |
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Post by hdee on Jan 14, 2017 19:36:44 GMT 1
never do nothing with no strikers look at wednesday they have foresterie, gary hooper, steven fletcher, sam winnall then players like jaoa nuhui and david hirsts lad who cant even get in the team compare that to town and we cant compete with that kind of talent.
having more posession means nothing if you dont score or win games
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 14, 2017 19:38:29 GMT 1
Hate to tell you this but the first goal in a 2-0 win is the winner btw Show me a single match report ever written that says "xxxxx scored the winner in a 2-0 victory" and I'll let you have that;-) I see your point and it's unlikely to be phrased like that but its the winning goal. |
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Post by midlander on Jan 14, 2017 19:46:07 GMT 1
we have 1 point from games where we went behind..hefs arse got us that point.. 20 odd games shows us how hard this system is...we go behind, we continue with it until the dying minutes and we get 1 point.. we have huge periods of possession but dont produce much in attacking moves/chances.. you have to be able to mix up what you do and not just for the cavalry charge, which merely cost us another one today.. we must get some variation throughout the games.. our system will work in games but the 'game or the state of the game' sometimes does not suit it at all and all that happens is we continue on struggling and doing little.. Does the comeback win against Forest not suit the argument or had you just forgotten that one? How about the point vs Blackburn. Granted, both of those games were a long time ago. Last year infact! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 19:46:11 GMT 1
For almost the first time, what Wagner is saying about strikers and defenders in this interview makes NO sense. How bizarre. He seems to be saying we don't need another striker because our two defenders had goal scoring chances (that they didn't score from)? Talking rubbish. Who, Wagner, or me? If it's me can you explain what he was on about, I suspect it's a translation thing. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 14, 2017 19:53:38 GMT 1
Who, Wagner, or me? If it's me can you explain what he was on about, I suspect it's a translation thing. Wagner, not you. Just listened to interview and he gets annoyed saying we don't need a striker, Fifs, He's wrong IMO. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 14, 2017 19:58:27 GMT 1
Don't think we played so badly today but there are a few things that concern me. In tight games when we dominated and play well like we did today in the first half, we don't take the lead and it bites uso on the arse. Secondly, when we do go behind we don't seem to know what to do about it, which what it looked like today. We had one or two half chances after we went behind but never really looked like scoring if I'm honest. Don't agree with that, one thing we are is consistent and unflappable in our approach, far as I can see it doesn't make any difference whether we're in front or behind. |
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jan 14, 2017 20:08:23 GMT 1
Who, Wagner, or me? If it's me can you explain what he was on about, I suspect it's a translation thing. Wagner, not you. Just listened to interview and he gets annoyed saying we don't need a striker, Fifs, He's wrong IMO. On that basis lets sack Wagner and get you in as the manager!!! (sorry Head Coach) |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 14, 2017 20:11:52 GMT 1
Don't think we played so badly today but there are a few things that concern me. In tight games when we dominated and play well like we did today in the first half, we don't take the lead and it bites uso on the arse. Secondly, when we do go behind we don't seem to know what to do about it, which what it looked like today. We had one or two half chances after we went behind but never really looked like scoring if I'm honest. Don't agree with that, one thing we are is consistent and unflappable in our approach, far as I can see it doesn't make any difference whether we're in front or behind. How many times have we come from being behind to win this season? |
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Post by terrierpark on Jan 14, 2017 20:23:11 GMT 1
and in my opinion 68 % possession in first half should land us a goal or two
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Post by explorer on Jan 14, 2017 20:24:12 GMT 1
Show me a single match report ever written that says "xxxxx scored the winner in a 2-0 victory" and I'll let you have that;-) I see your point and it's unlikely to be phrased like that but its the winning goal. And I see your point too, but I'll stick with "first goal in a 2-0 win" rather than "winner". Gotta love semantics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 20:25:26 GMT 1
Just heard Wagner to Oggy re the striker position. Spot on. We are competing above our comfort level by making the best of our resources. Now everyone criticises the club for not having more resources. However, I am sure behind the scenes, if the right type of player becomes available that we can afford he will arrive before February I'm sure you are right |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 14, 2017 20:36:27 GMT 1
we have 1 point from games where we went behind..hefs arse got us that point.. 20 odd games shows us how hard this system is...we go behind, we continue with it until the dying minutes and we get 1 point.. we have huge periods of possession but dont produce much in attacking moves/chances.. you have to be able to mix up what you do and not just for the cavalry charge, which merely cost us another one today.. we must get some variation throughout the games.. our system will work in games but the 'game or the state of the game' sometimes does not suit it at all and all that happens is we continue on struggling and doing little.. Does the comeback win against Forest not suit the argument or had you just forgotten that one? How about the point vs Blackburn. Granted, both of those games were a long time ago. Last year infact! sorry forgot forest.. probably best too given the winner.. blackburn was again another eminently forgetable game.. 5 points it is then.. eminently forgetable.. if we go behind we win one game so far.. a ludicrous own goal and hefs arse seem to add to the mirth of it all... clearly no problems to speak of then.. remember when we were really poor etc, would have taken this if offered etc etc.. I dont need an argument really, we dont score enough and we dont make enough chances.. If the team was poor and we really couldnt defend to save our lives its a whole lot less frustrating..I know I have 50 odd years watching us have no chance whatsoever in about 40 of them.. Im struggling to remember a time when we actually looked less like scoring as often as we do at the moment.. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 14, 2017 20:39:11 GMT 1
Don't agree with that, one thing we are is consistent and unflappable in our approach, far as I can see it doesn't make any difference whether we're in front or behind. How many times have we come from being behind to win this season? Once? My point is you're suggesting we don't know what to do when it happens and I disagree, we continue to dominate procession and create chances. The fact that we haven't come back in many games has nothing to do with not knowing what to do, it's the same issue we've had all season we don't convert the chances we get. Your post suggests we shit it when we go behind which just isnt true as far as I can see. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 14, 2017 21:07:21 GMT 1
How many times have we come from being behind to win this season? Once? My point is you're suggesting we don't know what to do when it happens and I disagree, we continue to dominate procession and create chances. The fact that we haven't come back in many games has nothing to do with not knowing what to do, it's the same issue we've had all season we don't convert the chances we get. Your post suggests we shit it when we go behind which just isnt true as far as I can see. The one victory after going behind suggests we don't know what to do after going behind. All in all we didn't play so bad today and think we probably deserved a point as Wednesday weren't better than us in no way shape or form. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 14, 2017 21:57:24 GMT 1
I didn't go to game today due to the price of an away ticket, well done to Shffield Wed, we live to fight another day. Regardless of the result today I've had a read through various forums and have to say me personally the teams I have any rivalry towards are only locally based I don't like Bradford city and Leeds are a close 2nd. I genuinely don't mind the rest bar maybe Peterborough. But I've got to say Sheffield Wednesday fans that frequent forums are probably some of the most deluded self promoting idiots I've come across. If htfc fail in promotion this year, all I care about is that Leeds don't make it, nobody bar Sheffield Utd really care about Sheffield we'd, you may think this is me being bitter because we just lost but go through my previous posts And you will appreciate I don't post comments like this your club is full of moron deluded supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 22:03:51 GMT 1
Don't agree with that, one thing we are is consistent and unflappable in our approach, far as I can see it doesn't make any difference whether we're in front or behind. How many times have we come from being behind to win this season? How many times have we turned a lead into a defeat? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 14, 2017 22:05:40 GMT 1
How many times have we got to mid january and spent the whole season in the top 4 or 5 ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 22:06:25 GMT 1
Once? My point is you're suggesting we don't know what to do when it happens and I disagree, we continue to dominate procession and create chances. The fact that we haven't come back in many games has nothing to do with not knowing what to do, it's the same issue we've had all season we don't convert the chances we get. Your post suggests we shit it when we go behind which just isnt true as far as I can see. The one victory after going behind suggests we don't know what to do after going behind. All in all we didn't play so bad today and think we probably deserved a point as Wednesday weren't better than us in no way shape or form. It's a spurious stat. We don't go behind very often. Turning defeat into victory only matters when you're losing more games than you "should". We aren't. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 14, 2017 22:11:44 GMT 1
How many times have we come from being behind to win this season? How many times have we turned a lead into a defeat? That would suggest the total opposite. Like I said we played okish today but failed to turn our possession dominance into goals. |
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Post by athelwulf on Jan 14, 2017 22:19:30 GMT 1
I'm a curly-tailed one, and I went to Hillsborough today. I thought that Huddersfield were the best side in the first half, and had some good chances. In fact Wednesday were booed off by a sector of the crowd at half-time (or half-tide, as Wagner would say. German Halbzeit) I can't remember a shot on goal from the Owls in the first 45, to be honest. It was a different game in the second half, but Wednesday's opener was a screamer from distance, the type of shot which usually knocks some pensioner's false teeth out in the crowd. Winalot's introduction did add verve up front, but really I just thought Wednesday introduced some impulsion into their game. Forestieri's goal made no difference to the final result, so can be discounted from the analysis. There was no red card in that game for me, and refereeing seems to get worse by the season. Town need a striker. What about Ward at Rotherham?
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Post by E4b on Jan 14, 2017 22:20:24 GMT 1
Wagner got his Team selection wrong today. We move on. We go again. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 14, 2017 22:29:19 GMT 1
The one victory after going behind suggests we don't know what to do after going behind. All in all we didn't play so bad today and think we probably deserved a point as Wednesday weren't better than us in no way shape or form. It's a spurious stat. We don't go behind very often.Turning defeat into victory only matters when you're losing more games than you "should". We aren't. 11 times out of 26 league games we have. |
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