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Post by richhtfc on Jan 14, 2017 22:43:48 GMT 1
It's a spurious stat. We don't go behind very often.Turning defeat into victory only matters when you're losing more games than you "should". We aren't. 11 times out of 26 league games we have. Which considering we're 4th suggests we don't have a specific issue with how we play when we go behind. I rest my case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 22:56:12 GMT 1
In the 12 games we've not won, how many of those did we deserve to lose due to an abject performance?
Pretty sure the more rational Wed fans will realise they got lucky today with the run up to the first goal...
Win next week, Wed lose, we're back to where we started at 3PM today...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 23:12:43 GMT 1
It's a spurious stat. We don't go behind very often.Turning defeat into victory only matters when you're losing more games than you "should". We aren't. 11 times out of 26 league games we have. And 18 times out of 26 we either didn't, or having gone behind, recovered some points. A total non issue. It's a smoke screen that has taken over from the non existent inability to defend corners. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jan 14, 2017 23:33:13 GMT 1
In the 12 games we've not won, how many of those did we deserve to lose due to an abject performance? Pretty sure the more rational Wed fans will realise they got lucky today with the run up to the first goal... Win next week, Wed lose, we're back to where we started at 3PM today... Listened to Radio Sheffield all the way home. Alot of Wednesday fans were ringing in and full of praise for Town for Town's performance and side. They know they were given a good game today, could really have gone either way. Sheff Wed manager gave a good interview too. Basically said they had to change game plan at HT but to be honest he seems to have us marked and knows how to get his side to bear us. Tip them for the playoffs. |
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Post by wtd on Jan 14, 2017 23:52:35 GMT 1
How bored is Mooy with the inane nature of this interview?  Hard to blame him. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........! |
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Post by mrg on Jan 15, 2017 0:06:43 GMT 1
Who, Wagner, or me? If it's me can you explain what he was on about, I suspect it's a translation thing. Wagner, not you. Just listened to interview and he gets annoyed saying we don't need a striker, Fifs, He's wrong IMO. I think he likes to make sure the lads who are in the team feel important to get the best out of them. He's not likely to say yes we need a striker because that nearly doubles the price and might upset the squad. Although upsetting nakki hopefully isn't too much of a concern to him, whatever is happening that guy needs to have a word with himself. 1 in 2.6, all he needs to do is set a target of scoring 5 more goals a season and he might get a wage rise of about 70%. |
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Post by Giggity on Jan 15, 2017 1:25:07 GMT 1
It's taken a few dodgy decisions for big spending Sheffield Wednesday to beat us. We go again against Ipswich.
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Post by Terriersmad on Jan 15, 2017 2:17:50 GMT 1
It's taken a few dodgy decisions for big spending Sheffield Wednesday to beat us. We go again against Ipswich. It takes a few dodgy decisions for Wednesday to beat anyone at the moment. They seem to have profited from a fair few bad ones of late - against us, Rotherham, us again, etc. Reading and Wednesday seem to have the lucky decision down to an art form this season, been a key part in keeping their pushes going. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2017 2:30:53 GMT 1
It's taken a few dodgy decisions for big spending Sheffield Wednesday to beat us. We go again against Ipswich. It takes a few dodgy decisions for Wednesday to beat anyone at the moment. They seem to have profited from a fair few bad ones of late - against us, Rotherham, us again, etc. Reading and Wednesday seem to have the lucky decision down to an art form this season, been a key part in keeping their pushes going. That disallowed goal Rotherham had at Wednesday was an outrageous decision, right up there with the worst you will see. I would like to think these things are cyclical and even themselves out, that quite simply is not the case though. I can see it now, we are due a few decisions against this lot yet still, they will be the ones to get a dodgy penalty in a play-off semi-final that will do us. It's gone way beyond a joke has this now. |
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Post by ldotm on Jan 15, 2017 3:08:45 GMT 1
Frustrating today, up until their wonder goal we had every chance to win it (arguably the better team). We have weaknesses but I'm very confident we will sign a striker we are crying out for this week with the hope of another addition to strengthen the squad. As disappointing as today was, lets not forget how far we've come and what a great footballing side we are (one of, if not the best in the league). Whatever happens come the end of the season we've stretched anyone's imagination and it's been a blast. But let's not be down hearted about some dodgy decisions or poor result. I'm still confident we will be knocking on that door come the end of the season, UTT
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2017 3:13:41 GMT 1
Frustrating today, up until their wonder goal we had every chance to win it (arguably the better team). We have weaknesses but I'm very confident we will sign a striker we are crying out for this week with the hope of another addition to strengthen the squad. As disappointing as today was, lets not forget how far we've come and what a great footballing side we are (one of, if not the best in the league). Whatever happens come the end of the season we've stretched anyone's imagination and it's been a blast. But let's not be down hearted about some dodgy decisions or poor result. I'm still confident we will be knocking on that door come the end of the season, UTT I think the masses will agree with you here, I do. Chances as the one we have this season to get to the top flight are rare though, let's not assume next season if we don't go up will be more of the same (potentially no Mooy, Palmer etc). I just hope that the elephant in the room doesn't come back and haunt us and on reflection cost us what should or could have been a promotion season. That elephant being the proper out and out lethal goal scorer the Team has been crying out for, for way too long now. |
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Post by athelwulf on Jan 15, 2017 4:17:58 GMT 1
Most Wednesday fans I know, myself included, rate Wagner highly. An increasing number don't rate Carvalhal, though. I'd say Wagner is getting more out of his players than Carlos is out of ours. Wednesday's wage bill is staggering. Hooper, Forestieri, Reach, Fletcher and Abdi alone are grossing the best part of £180 000 a week between them, and the club has a 30+ man squad. I guess things need to be put into perspective.
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Post by impact on Jan 15, 2017 4:21:29 GMT 1
In the 12 games we've not won, how many of those did we deserve to lose due to an abject performance? Pretty sure the more rational Wed fans will realise they got lucky today with the run up to the first goal...Win next week, Wed lose, we're back to where we started at 3PM today... They don't exist. Despite seeing screen grabs on twitter of Wells shirt clearly being pulled they are saying it was actually Wells who made the foul. |
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Post by OperationPig on Jan 15, 2017 6:57:33 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became  after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too . |
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Post by wtd on Jan 15, 2017 7:18:31 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too .  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 7:56:26 GMT 1
Wednesday lacked any creativity in the first half and Huddersfield had plenty of the ball ...but we let you. Carlos changes his tactics in the second and you simply couldn't handle us...it became after of attacks. You do have lots of possession but you didn't hurt us...and that's what you have to do as we were patient and pounced in the second half. Twice now this season and twice last Carlos as outwitted wagners tactics and it's nothing about luck...the red card was 100 per cent red even your manager was shaking his head at his own player going off too . Think you might scrape it in the top six ...gunna be interesting with Leeds too . you got lucky. no way a red card. a fluke of a goal. a blatantly offside goal. fair play to you on your well deserved and thoroughly merited tactic of getting the same ref for the same game twice in a season. brown envelope sales must be up in your locale. i always thought that was leeds's thing, but you look to have have learned well. joking aside congrats.. |
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Post by thenuggett on Jan 15, 2017 8:34:31 GMT 1
I am afraid the referee left me very frustrated . I felt sorry for Wells he was kicked from pillar to post and received no protection similar with Payne. The tackle on the touch line near the end on Wells was disgraceful worse than any foul Payne committed and he only showed Yellow. Foul on Wells before it broke for Wallace.
We just don't seem to get the rub of the green against Sheffield Wednesday especially when Scott is in the middle !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 9:00:19 GMT 1
I'd take Wednesday in the play off final every day of the week. They have a lot of match winners but overall play is nothing to fear.
People need to remember that we had no Hogg today and Mooy without Hogg is Mooy lite.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2017 9:07:55 GMT 1
I'd take Wednesday in the play off final every day of the week. They have a lot of match winners but overall play is nothing to fear. People need to remember that we had no Hogg today and Mooy without Hogg is Mooy lite. I agree Joe, it's the officials we need to worry about not the opposition. Leeds United are way better than Wednesday and would want to avoid them in the play-offs if possible (if we get there which I expect we will). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 9:13:34 GMT 1
I'd take Wednesday in the play off final every day of the week. They have a lot of match winners but overall play is nothing to fear. People need to remember that we had no Hogg today and Mooy without Hogg is Mooy lite. I agree Joe, it's the officials we need to worry about not the opposition. Leeds United are way better than Wednesday and would want to avoid them in the play-offs if possible (if we get there which I expect we will). Wednesday are a bought team and as such lack heart. We tend to beat those sides. Leeds I have to say are showing more heart than since they have since the 90's...statistically they seem v reliant on wood though. |
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Post by dronnyowl on Jan 15, 2017 9:19:38 GMT 1
For what it's worth i thought you were the better side in the first half without causing too many problems for us.
We stepped it up in the second half and played with more tempo. The ref could have given a foul in the build up to the first goal but I felt both players were at it and there was no complaints from your players.
The red card was a very rash challenge from your player and you can't go flying in like that now.
Not sure what your manager was watching after hearing him say the second was off side. You had 2 players closer to the net than Forestieri so he couldn't have been offside. He was the big difference today as much as you all hate him. He never stopped running and showed some great skill at times. It's about time he started playing like that again as he's been poor this season.
Over all it was a close game and could have gone either way. Personally I felt you lacked a cutting edge which I expect normally comes from Wells. You looked a decent side though and have improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and I don't think many sides will enjoy playing against you.
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 15, 2017 9:25:54 GMT 1
For what it's worth i thought you were the better side in the first half without causing too many problems for us. We stepped it up in the second half and played with more tempo. The ref could have given a foul in the build up to the first goal but I felt both players were at it and there was no complaints from your players. The red card was a very rash challenge from your player and you can't go flying in like that now. Not sure what your manager was watching after hearing him say the second was off side. You had 2 players closer to the net than Forestieri so he couldn't have been offside. He was the big difference today as much as you all hate him. He never stopped running and showed some great skill at times. It's about time he started playing like that again as he's been poor this season. Over all it was a close game and could have gone either way. Personally I felt you lacked a cutting edge which I expect normally comes from Wells. You looked a decent side though and have improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and I don't think many sides will enjoy playing against you.[/quote For the third goal look on the highlights thread you'll find Wagner was right about every goal and the decision for the red card. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2017 9:27:31 GMT 1
For what it's worth i thought you were the better side in the first half without causing too many problems for us. We stepped it up in the second half and played with more tempo. The ref could have given a foul in the build up to the first goal but I felt both players were at it and there was no complaints from your players. The red card was a very rash challenge from your player and you can't go flying in like that now. Not sure what your manager was watching after hearing him say the second was off side. You had 2 players closer to the net than Forestieri so he couldn't have been offside. He was the big difference today as much as you all hate him. He never stopped running and showed some great skill at times. It's about time he started playing like that again as he's been poor this season. Over all it was a close game and could have gone either way. Personally I felt you lacked a cutting edge which I expect normally comes from Wells. You looked a decent side though and have improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and I don't think many sides will enjoy playing against you. Dronny, every key contentious match decision is going your way against us at the moment such as the ball blasted point blank at our place for your penalty (when we had battered you for large parts of the match). I think if your Club were on the consistent receiving end of the same decisions, your post would be somewhat different. Easy though isn't it when the key decisions are always going in your favour. |
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Post by buzz on Jan 15, 2017 9:36:55 GMT 1
Oh Morley! Such what a jealous, bitter person you are,! Both were penalties, in both games the manager with the better tactical acumen won the day! Your one trick pony manager is very good but has found himself wanting against carvalhal twice in a row now! Hopefully when your chairman stops buying you lots cheap tickets most of yer will crawl back to where you've been hiding for years!
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Post by shawsie on Jan 15, 2017 9:50:40 GMT 1
Oh Morley! Such what a jealous, bitter person you are,! Both were penalties, in both games the manager with the better tactical acumen won the day! Your one trick pony manager is very good but has found himself wanting against carvalhal twice in a row now! Hopefully when your chairman stops buying you lots cheap tickets most of yer will crawl back to where you've been hiding for years! Not bitter and certainly not jealous.........all those millions spent and you are still a point behind little old us!!! You lot make me laugh - if the decisions were reversed you would have gone mad!!!!There was one horrid tackle in the game....and it got a yellow. Hey ho though....onwards and upwards. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 15, 2017 9:59:54 GMT 1
For what it's worth i thought you were the better side in the first half without causing too many problems for us. We stepped it up in the second half and played with more tempo. The ref could have given a foul in the build up to the first goal but I felt both players were at it and there was no complaints from your players. The red card was a very rash challenge from your player and you can't go flying in like that now. Not sure what your manager was watching after hearing him say the second was off side. You had 2 players closer to the net than Forestieri so he couldn't have been offside. He was the big difference today as much as you all hate him. He never stopped running and showed some great skill at times. It's about time he started playing like that again as he's been poor this season. Over all it was a close game and could have gone either way. Personally I felt you lacked a cutting edge which I expect normally comes from Wells. You looked a decent side though and have improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and I don't think many sides will enjoy playing against you. That's a pretty fair assessment on the game overall with the main exception of the foul on Wells for the first goal. Unfortunatley (for us) the turning point was not giving the foul because it leads to the opening goal. If given who knows what happens after that, we might go up the field and score from the freekick. If we get the first goal I think we go on to win but based on the first 50 minutes it didn't look like either team was going to score. The Payne red won't get overturned but football is in a sorry state when that's a red. I think Forrestieri has got to get the benefit of the doubt on your second, it's marginal. We have seen our first half performance several times this season, mostly at home but I can assure you Wells hasnt provided the cutting edge. It's normally come from Kachunga who looked rather disinterested yesterday, looked like he'd been given a much more defensive role and rarely got into your box. We also seen the start to second half many times where teams come at much more from the kickoff. We've weathered the storm most times but not yesterday.... thanks to the ref. We are definitley improving and that is clear from our previous visit to your spot (Wagner's first ever match) 15 months ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 10:00:09 GMT 1
Oh Morley! Such what a jealous, bitter person you are,! Both were penalties, in both games the manager with the better tactical acumen won the day! Your one trick pony manager is very good but has found himself wanting against carvalhal twice in a row now! Hopefully when your chairman stops buying you lots cheap tickets most of yer will crawl back to where you've been hiding for years! Would that be the same Carvahal that you all booed off at half time? Whether they were right or wrong decisions, the referee has massively influenced the last 3 games between us. It would be nice to just have a fair fight for once |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 15, 2017 10:01:11 GMT 1
For what it's worth i thought you were the better side in the first half without causing too many problems for us. We stepped it up in the second half and played with more tempo. The ref could have given a foul in the build up to the first goal but I felt both players were at it and there was no complaints from your players. The red card was a very rash challenge from your player and you can't go flying in like that now. Not sure what your manager was watching after hearing him say the second was off side. You had 2 players closer to the net than Forestieri so he couldn't have been offside. He was the big difference today as much as you all hate him. He never stopped running and showed some great skill at times. It's about time he started playing like that again as he's been poor this season. Over all it was a close game and could have gone either way. Personally I felt you lacked a cutting edge which I expect normally comes from Wells. You looked a decent side though and have improved a lot over the last 2 seasons and I don't think many sides will enjoy playing against you. The foul on Wells for the first is as clear as the day is long. It's a foul before Wells goes down, and as he goes down your lad nearly has the shirt off his back. That's rank incompetence from the referee. Payne is fouled in the build up to his red, which isn't a red for me as there's minimal contact, but if the ref does his job properly for the first goal the red doesn't happen anyway. Poor decisions from a ref have decided a match in your favour again. Ever since the two yellows and no red for Helan you seem to be getting contentious decisions against us, like the handball on the line that wasn't given against you last year (or the year before) at our place against the far softer one you got at our place this season. I wasn't there yesterday but sounds like we did well first half with 3 key players out, however you do have a bit of a hoodoo over us and that is a bit worrying. Although your wage bill will be 3/4 times more than ours. |
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Post by El Mel on Jan 15, 2017 10:05:29 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry about Sheffield Wednesday in the play offs, they were abysmal last year, completely bottled it.
Beaten by a team who's name begins with "H" in the final again, yes please.
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Post by H7 on Jan 15, 2017 10:12:15 GMT 1
I've been resigned to the fact Wednesday will always receive every single decision when they play against us since Helan was shown 9 yellow cards in a single game without getting sent off.
Have to agree though our constant bad luck is getting frustrating now. The only decision that's gone our way this season that I can think of is the offside goal against Norwich. Even wagner had a laugh about finally getting a refereeing decision in our favour live on sky after!
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