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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 2, 2017 21:42:17 GMT 1
In terms of quality Bournemouth have 6 first team regulars who played for them in League One: Arter, Pugh, Daniels, Cook, Francis and Fraser. Not counting Ritchie at Newcastle or Elphick who played their first premier season before a £3m move to Villa Boruc, Smith, Gosling, Surnam, Stanislas, Wilson signed in the Championship They've stayed up comfortably for two seasons despite a Championship looking squad "on paper" Point is, team spirit and understanding the tactics (roles, positions, discipline) shouldn't be underestimated Town need to add some quality but a lot of our lads will be fine in the Prem We need to score more goals. That wells, rvlp and palmer.... or their replacements. Fully agree we need to spend big on a striker (Afobe was a marquee signing for Bournemouth). At the same time Bournemouth got King pretty cheap - another that spent years in the Championship without really showing too much |
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Post by townrwe on Jun 2, 2017 21:44:53 GMT 1
We need to score more goals. That wells, rvlp and palmer.... or their replacements. Fully agree we need to spend big on a striker (Afobe was a marquee signing for Bournemouth). At the same time Bournemouth got King pretty cheap - another that spent years in the Championship without really showing too much 10 to 15 wouldnt be bad from nahki.... if rvlp, palmer and kachunga got 10+ as well. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 2, 2017 21:50:30 GMT 1
Fully agree we need to spend big on a striker (Afobe was a marquee signing for Bournemouth). At the same time Bournemouth got King pretty cheap - another that spent years in the Championship without really showing too much 10 to 15 wouldnt be bad from nahki.... if rvlp, palmer and kachunga got 10+ as well. Nakhi deserves a crack at the Prem but he's a one goal in four chances kinda striker We really need a couple of top strikers as well (loan or lower half bundesliga) to share the goal scoring duties. I think if we really push the boat out on one player (after Mooy) it should be a striker |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 2, 2017 22:01:39 GMT 1
Part of what has worked so well this year is the fact we have had some young and fresh new players who played fearlessly with 'no limits' These lads will be on a  of a  so we need to give them a chance to carry on We need some experience but i feel as if we are to survive we need to do it our way and the lack of prem experience is part of this as its all new and they can embrace it Fair point, most of our first team regulars arguably had little or no Championship level experience. The only players in our first choice 11 who hadn't played regularly at 2nd tier standard or higher in either England or Germany were Brown, Ward, Mooy and the latter 2 had represented their country as full internationals. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 2, 2017 22:17:07 GMT 1
Fair point, most of our first team regulars arguably had little or no Championship level experience. The only players in our first choice 11 who hadn't played regularly at 2nd tier standard or higher in either England or Germany were Brown, Ward, Mooy and the latter 2 had represented their country as full internationals. Heff was from the third, we got Nakhi from the third and Smith before he had played league football. Of the regulars, only Schindler, Lowe, VLP and Hogg were purchased as regulars at second tier or above |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 2, 2017 22:20:25 GMT 1
Will we have enough ££ left over to build another promotion charge should we be relegated? 1) How much did this seasons "promotion charge" cost? 2) How much is the parachute payment worth for the 2018/19 season. The club is in a new reality, and likely will behave for a number of years just like it has this year. There WILL be enough money to do whatever we want to do for the next six to ten years even if we're relegated with 0 points next season. Hudds Town aren't suddenly going to start splashing £10m+ on players. 1) Not much, but this season's promotion charge was unexpected. We've got a one-off manager who won't stay here forever. Most promotion charges cost a bloody fortune. 2) It's £85m spread over 4 years, although I don't know how much in each year. Point is, how often do teams come down & bounce straight back? OK, Newcastle did (just) with a colossal budget but many teams don't. Bolton dropped like a stone because they overstretched themselves. Most teams in the Championship have been in the premier league before & failed to get back. I was merely questioning how much we should spend in trying to stay up (knowing that we have the smallest budget in the Premiership) vs how much we should spend on the club's infrastructure, how much on actually keeping something back. Especially in the light of the suggestion that we need to sign quite a few prem quality players. I get the point that we'll need that if we're going to establish ourselves in the PL, but proven premiership quality doesn't come cheap. Establishing ourselves at that level will take years & expecting it in our first season seems fanciful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 0:36:11 GMT 1
1) How much did this seasons "promotion charge" cost? 2) How much is the parachute payment worth for the 2018/19 season. The club is in a new reality, and likely will behave for a number of years just like it has this year. There WILL be enough money to do whatever we want to do for the next six to ten years even if we're relegated with 0 points next season. Hudds Town aren't suddenly going to start splashing £10m+ on players. 1) Not much, but this season's promotion charge was unexpected. We've got a one-off manager who won't stay here forever. Most promotion charges cost a bloody fortune. 2) It's £85m spread over 4 years, although I don't know how much in each year. Point is, how often do teams come down & bounce straight back? OK, Newcastle did (just) with a colossal budget but many teams don't. Bolton dropped like a stone because they overstretched themselves. Most teams in the Championship have been in the premier league before & failed to get back. I was merely questioning how much we should spend in trying to stay up (knowing that we have the smallest budget in the Premiership) vs how much we should spend on the club's infrastructure, how much on actually keeping something back. Especially in the light of the suggestion that we need to sign quite a few prem quality players. I get the point that we'll need that if we're going to establish ourselves in the PL, but proven premiership quality doesn't come cheap. Establishing ourselves at that level will take years & expecting it in our first season seems fanciful. Fanciful <> #nolimits We got promoted in a different way. We will become established in a different way. I do t think there's any danger whatsoever that there "isn't enough" money to do so, or to refresh and reenergise if required after a relegation. |
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Post by sniper63 on Jun 3, 2017 1:03:15 GMT 1
There's a massive point that has been overlooked here in this thread.
Peeps are assuming time is running out to sign.
We were visited early in the year about the ground improvements should we get promoted, so don't you really think, the scouts would have been out there, and talks already taken place with players and agents.
I think there will be some announcements pretty soon about new signings.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 3, 2017 1:18:34 GMT 1
1) Not much, but this season's promotion charge was unexpected. We've got a one-off manager who won't stay here forever. Most promotion charges cost a bloody fortune. 2) It's £85m spread over 4 years, although I don't know how much in each year. Point is, how often do teams come down & bounce straight back? OK, Newcastle did (just) with a colossal budget but many teams don't. Bolton dropped like a stone because they overstretched themselves. Most teams in the Championship have been in the premier league before & failed to get back. I was merely questioning how much we should spend in trying to stay up (knowing that we have the smallest budget in the Premiership) vs how much we should spend on the club's infrastructure, how much on actually keeping something back. Especially in the light of the suggestion that we need to sign quite a few prem quality players. I get the point that we'll need that if we're going to establish ourselves in the PL, but proven premiership quality doesn't come cheap. Establishing ourselves at that level will take years & expecting it in our first season seems fanciful. Fanciful <> #nolimits We got promoted in a different way. We will become established in a different way. I do t think there's any danger whatsoever that there "isn't enough" money to do so, or to refresh and reenergise if required after a relegation. Loving your energy and enthusiasm, but, and its a big but, there is a limit when it comes to money. we cant go spending what we want, although i think the club is going to have to take its time and realise - this is the big league - nothing is cheap. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 3, 2017 1:18:42 GMT 1
There's a massive point that has been overlooked here in this thread. Peeps are assuming time is running out to sign. We were visited early in the year about the ground improvements should we get promoted, so don't you really think, the scouts would have been out there, and talks already taken place with players and agents. I think there will be some announcements pretty soon about new signings. I agree with this and we will have had two plans Player wise for some time. One Championship and one Premier League. My worry was the fact that Webber the weasel will be targeting the same Players for Norwich (I think it's underestimated the potential impact of Webber being at another Club with a big chunk of our plans now being available in the Norwich City boardroom). I am certain had we not gone up, this would have been a problem for us. However!, we have gone up and whilst Norwich may be in for some of the same Players as we are. Our Premier League status and capability now to pay a bit more wage wise will I am sure serve us well. I also think that playing for Wagner will be an attractive choice for Players we are in for. Wagner also likes to get the transfers sorted out and his Players in early as was the case last close-season. |
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Post by Grizz on Jun 3, 2017 1:30:38 GMT 1
If we could theoretically get Palmer for under 5 mill sure. Just like if we could get Chris Wood for anything under 10 mill it would be a brilliant deal. Izzy Brown also for 5 mill. Less sure on Mooy's value, 40k week wages, center mid who's 26 and jaded at the end of last year? Can't really pay 10 mill for someone like that imo.
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Post by sniper63 on Jun 3, 2017 2:11:54 GMT 1
There's a massive point that has been overlooked here in this thread. Peeps are assuming time is running out to sign. We were visited early in the year about the ground improvements should we get promoted, so don't you really think, the scouts would have been out there, and talks already taken place with players and agents. I think there will be some announcements pretty soon about new signings. I agree with this and we will have had two plans Player wise for some time. One Championship and one Premier League. My worry was the fact that Webber the weasel will be targeting the same Players for Norwich (I think it's underestimated the potential impact of Webber being at another Club with a big chunk of our plans now being available in the Norwich City boardroom). I am certain had we not gone up, this would have been a problem for us. However!, we have gone up and whilst Norwich may be in for some of the same Players as we are. Our Premier League status and capability now to pay a bit more wage wise will I am sure serve us well. I also think that playing for Wagner will be an attractive choice for Players we are in for. Wagner also likes to get the transfers sorted out and his Players in early as was the case last close-season. |
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Jun 3, 2017 2:23:47 GMT 1
1) How much did this seasons "promotion charge" cost? 2) How much is the parachute payment worth for the 2018/19 season. The club is in a new reality, and likely will behave for a number of years just like it has this year. There WILL be enough money to do whatever we want to do for the next six to ten years even if we're relegated with 0 points next season. Hudds Town aren't suddenly going to start splashing £10m+ on players. 1) Not much, but this season's promotion charge was unexpected. We've got a one-off manager who won't stay here forever. Most promotion charges cost a bloody fortune. 2) It's £85m spread over 4 years, although I don't know how much in each year. Point is, how often do teams come down & bounce straight back? OK, Newcastle did (just) with a colossal budget but many teams don't. Bolton dropped like a stone because they overstretched themselves. Most teams in the Championship have been in the premier league before & failed to get back. I was merely questioning how much we should spend in trying to stay up (knowing that we have the smallest budget in the Premiership) vs how much we should spend on the club's infrastructure, how much on actually keeping something back. Especially in the light of the suggestion that we need to sign quite a few prem quality players. I get the point that we'll need that if we're going to establish ourselves in the PL, but proven premiership quality doesn't come cheap. Establishing ourselves at that level will take years & expecting it in our first season seems fanciful. The £85m is paid over 2years for teams that survive for just one season;£48m then £37m. An extra £17m is paid in year3 for 2years+ of Premier League survival. |
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Post by Melc on Jun 3, 2017 6:15:28 GMT 1
We need more than 4 to add to the so called starting 11. Wagner will only bring players in to fit into our identity so we must trust his judgment. This league is a big difference to any other and quality has got to be brought in all over the pitch to give us a fighting chance! Possibly.... but who do you not think will cut it in the prem... i.e who are the 5+ you are replacing? I see the likes of Lolley, Bunn, and possibility Payne, going out on loans next season, plus maybe only a couple at most of the Four loans being here next season. After that we need to build our squad up with some numbers that can cut it at this new level imo of course! |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jun 3, 2017 7:34:35 GMT 1
If we could theoretically get Palmer for under 5 mill sure. Just like if we could get Chris Wood for anything under 10 mill it would be a brilliant deal. Izzy Brown also for 5 mill. Less sure on Mooy's value, 40k week wages, center mid who's 26 and jaded at the end of last year? Can't really pay 10 mill for someone like that imo. We will be playing less games next year. 49 in the league is a lot plus the 5 cup games. It all but removes the Saturday Tuesday schedule which will make a big difference to Mooy. Also we need a 25 man squad by the end of August so hopefully there will be more scope to rotate. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 3, 2017 9:21:57 GMT 1
1) Not much, but this season's promotion charge was unexpected. We've got a one-off manager who won't stay here forever. Most promotion charges cost a bloody fortune. 2) It's £85m spread over 4 years, although I don't know how much in each year. Point is, how often do teams come down & bounce straight back? OK, Newcastle did (just) with a colossal budget but many teams don't. Bolton dropped like a stone because they overstretched themselves. Most teams in the Championship have been in the premier league before & failed to get back. I was merely questioning how much we should spend in trying to stay up (knowing that we have the smallest budget in the Premiership) vs how much we should spend on the club's infrastructure, how much on actually keeping something back. Especially in the light of the suggestion that we need to sign quite a few prem quality players. I get the point that we'll need that if we're going to establish ourselves in the PL, but proven premiership quality doesn't come cheap. Establishing ourselves at that level will take years & expecting it in our first season seems fanciful. Fanciful <> #nolimits We got promoted in a different way. We will become established in a different way. I do t think there's any danger whatsoever that there "isn't enough" money to do so, or to refresh and reenergise if required after a relegation. I didn't say that staying up next season was fanciful. Just that establishing ourselves at that level in just 1 year was. "We got promoted in a different way. We will become established in a different way." The way we got promoted was by having a great team spirit & unbelievable work ethic. We didn't do it by throwing money at it. We couldn't throw money at it then & (by Premier League standards) we can't now. |
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Post by ram on Jun 3, 2017 9:41:59 GMT 1
The 3 players we had last season,Palmer Brown and Mooy would probably cost around £20 million.Based on that plus extra wages for those 3 who would not be additions to the squad,would leave us needing to spend more money on the additions we need, that's a hell of a chunk out of our promotion money.Would Dean Hoyle want to spend that amount this summer?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 3, 2017 10:27:00 GMT 1
The 3 players we had last season,Palmer Brown and Mooy would probably cost around £20 million.Based on that plus extra wages for those 3 who would not be additions to the squad,would leave us needing to spend more money on the additions we need, that's a hell of a chunk out of our promotion money.Would Dean Hoyle want to spend that amount this summer? That £20m would not be sunk but rather invested in assets. Also Hoyle will consider the potential resale value - in a year those players could be worth £30m |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 3, 2017 10:47:54 GMT 1
buying quality at the tight age is an investment, the 3 mentioned i would buy on "good" wages but great bonuses.
Loan some more good young talent and on it goes. It was our team spirit that won for us not huge talent or massive wages, we should continue as previously but at higher values.
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I would like Dean to recover some of his investment and plan for the future.
- perhaps create a supporters trust? German model
- minority shareholder(s)
- gain full control of all revenue streams, when concessions come up etc
- gain control of the ground.
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Post by Big Ern on Jun 3, 2017 11:04:31 GMT 1
In terms of quality Bournemouth have 6 first team regulars who played for them in League One: Arter, Pugh, Daniels, Cook, Francis and Fraser. Not counting Ritchie at Newcastle or Elphick who played their first premier season before a £3m move to Villa Boruc, Smith, Gosling, Surnam, Stanislas, Wilson signed in the Championship They've stayed up comfortably for two seasons despite a Championship looking squad "on paper" Point is, team spirit and understanding the tactics (roles, positions, discipline) shouldn't be underestimated Town need to add some quality but a lot of our lads will be fine in the Prem The difference is that Bournemouth were promoted in style, regularly scoring 4 or 5 goals a game and above. We have won almost every game by a narrow margin and almost totally reliant on the loan players. Failing to score in I think 4 of our last 5 games...wow Our situation is completely different to Bournemouths. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 3, 2017 11:25:10 GMT 1
In terms of quality Bournemouth have 6 first team regulars who played for them in League One: Arter, Pugh, Daniels, Cook, Francis and Fraser. Not counting Ritchie at Newcastle or Elphick who played their first premier season before a £3m move to Villa Boruc, Smith, Gosling, Surnam, Stanislas, Wilson signed in the Championship They've stayed up comfortably for two seasons despite a Championship looking squad "on paper" Point is, team spirit and understanding the tactics (roles, positions, discipline) shouldn't be underestimated Town need to add some quality but a lot of our lads will be fine in the Prem The difference is that Bournemouth were promoted in style, regularly scoring 4 or 5 goals a game and above. We have won almost every game by a narrow margin and almost totally reliant on the loan players. Failing to score in I think 4 of our last 5 games...wow Our situation is completely different to Bournemouths. Fair point but if we had a 23 goal a season striker like Wilson we'd have won a lot more games more comfortably. Then tactically we rarely went for a killer second or won a lot of games late Smith, Lowe, Schindler, Heff, Hogg, Kachunga are IMO similarly in quality to those Bournemouth players I listed (especially the league one list) Undoubtedly we need more quality but I have faith that a lot of the lads can step up |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 11:37:06 GMT 1
Fanciful <> #nolimits We got promoted in a different way. We will become established in a different way. I do t think there's any danger whatsoever that there "isn't enough" money to do so, or to refresh and reenergise if required after a relegation. I didn't say that staying up next season was fanciful. Just that establishing ourselves at that level in just 1 year was. "We got promoted in a different way. We will become established in a different way." The way we got promoted was by having a great team spirit & unbelievable work ethic. We didn't do it by throwing money at it. We couldn't throw money at it then & (by Premier League standards) we can't now. You're saying exactly the same as I am. When I suggest there's no danger of there not being enough money, what I mean is we aren't going to throw money at it now, just like we haven't done before, EVEN THOUGH the money is there. |
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Post by k1man999 on Jun 3, 2017 12:27:46 GMT 1
I am correct in believing at beginning of season chelski wanted Palmer t go to Bristol rovers as didn't think he was champ standard.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 3, 2017 13:06:59 GMT 1
In terms of quality Bournemouth have 6 first team regulars who played for them in League One: Arter, Pugh, Daniels, Cook, Francis and Fraser. Not counting Ritchie at Newcastle or Elphick who played their first premier season before a £3m move to Villa Boruc, Smith, Gosling, Surnam, Stanislas, Wilson signed in the Championship They've stayed up comfortably for two seasons despite a Championship looking squad "on paper" Point is, team spirit and understanding the tactics (roles, positions, discipline) shouldn't be underestimated Town need to add some quality but a lot of our lads will be fine in the Prem The difference is that Bournemouth were promoted in style, regularly scoring 4 or 5 goals a game and above. We have won almost every game by a narrow margin and almost totally reliant on the loan players. Failing to score in I think 4 of our last 5 games...wow Our situation is completely different to Bournemouths. Absolutely right - don't compare us to a club who steamrollered the Championship by breaking FFP rules and by being backed by Maxim Demim a Russian living in Switzerland who has never spoken to the media in this country. If you want, compare us to Burnley, slightly smaller town and slightly lower gates though had a stronger squad (IMHO) both the last two occasionst they went up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 13:07:17 GMT 1
Given that we have relatively limited resources compared to the rest of the division, with the possible exception of Brighton, why Palmer AND Brown. One or the other surely?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jun 3, 2017 13:10:48 GMT 1
10 to 15 wouldnt be bad from nahki.... if rvlp, palmer and kachunga got 10+ as well. Nakhi deserves a crack at the Prem but he's a one goal in four chances kinda striker We really need a couple of top strikers as well (loan or lower half bundesliga) to share the goal scoring duties. I think if we really push the boat out on one player (after Mooy) it should be a striker If either Hef or Schindler are out for a period next season we will be stuffed. A high priority is another centre half at least of their standard or above to add depth to the squad, even with Stankovic back around Christmas. We don't even know how Hef and Schindler will do. Look at Hull with Maguire, Dawson and Curtis Davies. Three very decent centre halves via our historical standards - one of those would do nicely. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jun 3, 2017 13:14:22 GMT 1
Given that we have relatively limited resources compared to the rest of the division, with the possible exception of Brighton, why Palmer AND Brown. One or the other surely? We need strength in depth. If we hadn't got Brown on the books at Christmas the loss of Palmer would have totally derailed our system. Ditto - we got Brown back just in time. |
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Post by alexdire on Jun 3, 2017 14:27:58 GMT 1
If we could theoretically get Palmer for under 5 mill sure. Just like if we could get Chris Wood for anything under 10 mill it would be a brilliant deal. Izzy Brown also for 5 mill. Less sure on Mooy's value, 40k week wages, center mid who's 26 and jaded at the end of last year? Can't really pay 10 mill for someone like that imo. So you don't see value in Mooy, but do in Wood?  ? Chris Wood is not a premier league quality player and wouldn't suit our playing style. |
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Post by Grizz on Jun 3, 2017 15:25:27 GMT 1
If we could theoretically get Palmer for under 5 mill sure. Just like if we could get Chris Wood for anything under 10 mill it would be a brilliant deal. Izzy Brown also for 5 mill. Less sure on Mooy's value, 40k week wages, center mid who's 26 and jaded at the end of last year? Can't really pay 10 mill for someone like that imo. So you don't see value in Mooy, but do in Wood? ? Chris Wood is not a premier league quality player and wouldn't suit our playing style. I'm saying if we could have Mooy or Wood, Wood would be far more important too us staying up. We've lacked goals this season. A lot of our goals came from the wings crossing the ball in. Imagine Wood in the box getting his head on things rather than Nahki. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Jun 3, 2017 15:41:55 GMT 1
So you don't see value in Mooy, but do in Wood? ? Chris Wood is not a premier league quality player and wouldn't suit our playing style. I'm saying if we could have Mooy or Wood, Wood would be far more important too us staying up. We've lacked goals this season. A lot of our goals came from the wings crossing the ball in. Imagine Wood in the box getting his head on things rather than Nahki. Almost all those goals came from someone arriving at the back post; not crosses to someone like Wood. |
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