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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jun 19, 2018 0:03:29 GMT 1
Sterling is obviously a good player but a striker he is not. Id play him in a front three definitely but we have better options if we're going to play two up top. We play Panama next, we can leave a few out here to get game time so for me I'd play Alexander-Arnold for 'caught in the headlights' Walker. Rashford for 'I can still miss from 3 yards if you fogot' Sterling Rose for 'Too old school' Young Loftus-Cheek in for'I need 4 chances a game to maybe score once' Lingard If Deli-Ali is injured just play Vardy And go for it, nothing to lose then pick a side to draw with Belgium and come second in the group ! Can't grumble about the number of chances created by the starting 11. I'd rather see Loftus-Cheek fitted in though as well. Alli was not the same after the first 20 minutes so maybe he needs a break. Don't think they would swap A-A for Walker and Trippier did plenty to hold his place. Think we are going for it by only playing one holding midfield player! Expect will do the same for Panama, but use Henderson and Dier for Belgium and the better teams. |
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Post by arry11 on Jun 19, 2018 0:04:54 GMT 1
Have i got the wrong match. Think so - we (me anyway) were talking about the free kicks v Tunisia tonight just outside the box that Young and Trippier took. Sorry not with it old age lol. But we could try him out in the next game playing 3 at the back should give him licence to get those crosses in. On paper it should be our easiest game and let Trippier take a breather. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jun 19, 2018 0:06:41 GMT 1
Think so - we (me anyway) were talking about the free kicks v Tunisia tonight just outside the box that Young and Trippier took. Sorry not with it old age lol. But we could try him out in the next game playing 3 at the back should give him licence to get those crosses in. On paper it should be our easiest game and let Trippier take a breather. We are fortunate in that A-A, Trippier and Walker could all easily do that role well. |
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Jun 19, 2018 0:11:59 GMT 1
We play Panama next, we can leave a few out here to get game time so for me I'd play Alexander-Arnold for 'caught in the headlights' Walker. Rashford for 'I can still miss from 3 yards if you fogot' Sterling Rose for 'Too old school' Young Loftus-Cheek in for'I need 4 chances a game to maybe score once' Lingard If Deli-Ali is injured just play Vardy And go for it, nothing to lose then pick a side to draw with Belgium and come second in the group ! Can't grumble about the number of chances created by the starting 11. I'd rather see Loftus-Cheek fitted in though as well. Alli was not the same after the first 20 minutes so maybe he needs a break. Don't think they would swap A-A for Walker and Trippier did plenty to hold his place. Think we are going for it by only playing one holding midfield player! Expect will do the same for Panama, but use Henderson and Dier for Belgium and the better teams. Walker just seems to shit himself for no reason, the lad Trippier has taken to playing for England like a Duck to water. Perhaps A-A and Trippier down the right might be worth a run out again Panama. I doubt it will happen though |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 19, 2018 9:13:34 GMT 1
Only Spain and Argentina 😂😂 Argentina's defence too vulnerable and Spain are a team of sprightly codgers (codgers never win at owt on this level). Just done a quick probability calculation and seen that Spain and Argentina will more than likely meet in the Quarter-finals, meaning that to get to the final, England will only have Poland, Mexico and one of Spain/Argentina standing in their way. Has to be the easiest route to the final - how England make sure they come second in Group G to do all this will be the difficult part. Did initially go for a Brazil v Argentina final, but it's easy to see how it could be a Brazil v England final now. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 19, 2018 9:28:05 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final  Seriously...i ran out of time and missed a biggie. 5. No central play-maker. So slow and ponderous in the middle. Henderson would struggle in Towns team...Dier is slower still. You cannot win the world cup with water carriers (actually hod-carriers). You need a Messi, a Pirlo, a Platini or a Xavi. Point 5 is the most significant- it was so glaringly obvious last night how badly we miss a playmaker in centre midfield. Haven’t had one since Gazza. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 13:10:46 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final Seriously...i ran out of time and missed a biggie. 5. No central play-maker. So slow and ponderous in the middle. Henderson would struggle in Towns team...Dier is slower still. You cannot win the world cup with water carriers (actually hod-carriers). You need a Messi, a Pirlo, a Platini or a Xavi. This is the key for me. We’ve got an ok set of players who are slightly more than the sum of their parts...BUT...there’s no magic at all from that key position. This team with a Beckham at his prime, or Hoddle etc, would be much much improved. I think however, we’ve just got to roll with it. The failings of England teams past has been that we have had the so-called talismanic players in that key game changing role, the players who were big stars in their club teams, like Gerrard etc, but the reality, when we’ve turned to them for some hope, is that they’re not really all that special when elevated to be compared to the world stage alongside Messi, Pirlo, Zidane etc. So...forget the big hitting game changing stars, this England team is more like Huddersfield Town than Man City. And as such, it will LIKELY over perform...which would mean getting to the quarter finals which would be a decent result and earn Southgate the chance of a run to E2020. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 19, 2018 17:46:20 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final Oh dear, all this guff you have been feeding us about Poland. Turns out they are just a bunch of cloggers. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 19, 2018 18:45:33 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final Oh dear, all this guff you have been feeding us about Poland. Turns out they are just a bunch of cloggers. A very poor performance...they thought they were better and strolled. Paid the price for complacency. Too many off days. Krakowiak is rubbish and they missed the injured Glik. Lewandowski was isolated. Senegal are a machine though, great athletes. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 22, 2018 8:58:29 GMT 1
Finishing 2nd in England's group is becoming increasingly more attractive with the runner-up now likely to be avoiding the likes of Brazil, Germany (quite likely), France and Argentina. You as a betting man, Oti, are you going to be sticking a cheeky tenner on England now? :-)
Another general point I'm raising is this: By the time England v Belgium comes round on the 28th June, with this current pre-defined draw system, both teams will quite likely be thinking about what side of the draw they'd feel most comfortable with. Is this really a good thing? Or will the healthy ethos prevail in wanting to win all games, regardless?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 22, 2018 9:56:43 GMT 1
Finishing 2nd in England's group is becoming increasingly more attractive with the runner-up now likely to be avoiding the likes of Brazil, Germany (quite likely), France and Argentina. You as a betting man, Oti, are you going to be sticking a cheeky tenner on England now? :-) Another general point I'm raising is this: By the time England v Belgium comes round on the 28th June, with this current pre-defined draw system, both teams will quite likely be thinking about what side of the draw they'd feel most comfortable with. Is this really a good thing? Or will the healthy ethos prevail in wanting to win all games, regardless? Interesting dilema. Do you want to play a big name who's out of form, or a lesser name who's bang on it? I think we should just aim to win whichever game we're in myself. Trying to manufacture a path you think could be easier seems a good way to end up with egg on your face to me. Id be very surprised in Southgate or Martinez think any different. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 22, 2018 10:00:31 GMT 1
finishing second might be a good idea to be honest (if we don't completely blow it on sunday)
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 22, 2018 10:19:27 GMT 1
might be best avoiding croatia till their good period passes and they get a few suspensions? they do blow hot and very cold..
anyway its time to start getting excited and cream ones self as the Brazilians will be 'on show' later..!!!!!!
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 22, 2018 10:39:06 GMT 1
Watched a rerun of Mike bassett on you tube last night..
Total comedy genius.
It never gets old..
Particularly funny at world cup time..
The greatest football movie ever made(datm fact)
4 more years!🤣🤣🤣
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Post by stevvy on Jun 22, 2018 11:10:44 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final Don't always agree with you but I can't argue with the points you made, especially point 1 (it's true, the players aren't good enough, especially when you see some of the players for bigger better teams who didn't even make it into their teams final 23 man squad, most of which are better than the players we have) and point 3. Yes we always qualify but we do it playing against poor teams. It's no good beating the likes of Andorra, Scotland, Hungary etc as none of them are really any good. Everyone gets excited when we qualify with 8-10 wins out of 10, yet we don't play anyone decent. It's only at the tournaments that we do, and that's when we get found out. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 22, 2018 11:26:32 GMT 1
Finishing 2nd in England's group is becoming increasingly more attractive with the runner-up now likely to be avoiding the likes of Brazil, Germany (quite likely), France and Argentina. You as a betting man, Oti, are you going to be sticking a cheeky tenner on England now? :-) Another general point I'm raising is this: By the time England v Belgium comes round on the 28th June, with this current pre-defined draw system, both teams will quite likely be thinking about what side of the draw they'd feel most comfortable with. Is this really a good thing? Or will the healthy ethos prevail in wanting to win all games, regardless? Interesting dilema. Do you want to play a big name who's out of form, or a lesser name who's bang on it? I think we should just aim to win whichever game we're in myself. Trying to manufacture a path you think could be easier seems a good way to end up with egg on your face to me. Id be very surprised in Southgate or Martinez think any different. Aye, I don’t think either of them are that sort to plan for the perceived easier route – might be wrong though. I must admit I’d be thinking about it, especially as the runner-up in Group G gets an extra day’s rest for the last 16 tie. If England do win the group, I still think it would be a treat seeing Southgate’s face, trying to enjoy the result and relish the prospect of massively reduced chances in any great progression through the tournament In 2002, Germany’s route to the final after the group stage was: Last 16 Paraguay, QF USA, SF South Korea! Though that was their reward for winning the group you could argue (think there were a couple of surprises with the big boys getting knocked out early, too, to facilitate that). Anyway, can’t say I’d be too disappointed with a similarly “easy” route – we’d just have to go one better in the final! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 22, 2018 11:34:54 GMT 1
2002 is a good example of how a path to the final can work in a sides favour. Germany were bang average, probably the worst team to ever reach a final.
If we'd have beaten Brazil in the QF ( remember Owen putting us 1-0 up and them being down to 10 men? ) then we'd have won it as they only had Turkey and Germany to beat to lift the trophy.
We had the players, just not the manager that year.
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Post by sabailand on Jun 22, 2018 11:45:01 GMT 1
Watched a rerun of Mike bassett on you tube last night.. Total comedy genius. It never gets old.. Particularly funny at world cup time.. The greatest football movie ever made(datm fact) 4 more years!🤣🤣🤣 Scotland 1 Ethiopia 2  |
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 22, 2018 11:58:23 GMT 1
Watched a rerun of Mike bassett on you tube last night.. Total comedy genius. It never gets old.. Particularly funny at world cup time.. The greatest football movie ever made(datm fact) 4 more years!🤣🤣🤣 Scotland 1 Ethiopia 2 I like it when Mike gives em a half time roasting..smashed tea cups and expletives etc. Then the voice over comes in.. "England go on to lose the match 3-0" Priceless 😆😆😆 |
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Post by sabailand on Jun 22, 2018 12:13:37 GMT 1
Scotland 1 Ethiopia 2 I like it when Mike gives em a half time roasting..smashed tea cups and expletives etc. Then the voice over comes in.. "England go on to lose the match 3-0" Priceless 😆😆😆 Ages since i watched it, so cant remember all the good bits, that scotland score on the tv screen in the pub was classic though, might have to give it another viewing!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 12:37:52 GMT 1
Watched a rerun of Mike bassett on you tube last night.. Total comedy genius. It never gets old.. Particularly funny at world cup time.. The greatest football movie ever made(datm fact) 4 more years!🤣🤣🤣 We are playing 4-4 fucking 2! |
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Post by froggyterrier on Jun 22, 2018 12:49:18 GMT 1
The only changes I would make for the next game are Ruben Loftus-Cheek in for Dele Ali and Marcus Rashford in for Raheem Sterling. Dropping those two and telling them they have something to prove to earn their starting places back might just drive them forward to big performances in the knockout stages.
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Post by froggyterrier on Jun 22, 2018 12:50:29 GMT 1
Also, Marcus Rashford in bloody brilliant and could score in the desert.
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Post by ponteterrier on Jun 22, 2018 15:02:49 GMT 1
In response to the title.
Isn't it abit obvious? It's like saying why the sun will rise in the morning.
Our short comings are fairly obvious to see. We have promise, but we require a lot more improvement.
Maybe in a few years...
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 22, 2018 15:35:34 GMT 1
2002 is a good example of how a path to the final can work in a sides favour. Germany were bang average, probably the worst team to ever reach a final. If we'd have beaten Brazil in the QF ( remember Owen putting us 1-0 up and them being down to 10 men? ) then we'd have won it as they only had Turkey and Germany to beat to lift the trophy. We had the players, just not the manager that year. Italy 1994 would run Germany 2002 close for that contender. |
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Post by softboy on Jun 23, 2018 15:45:55 GMT 1
and Germany will go outta the group stage
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Post by htfctx on Jun 23, 2018 16:49:07 GMT 1
I shall begin with the most relevant reasons. 1. Not enough world-class players. England cannot win it in the same way that Libya cannot win it...the players are not good enough. How many of the current squad play at PSG, Barca, Real Madrid or Juventus? Who is world-class? Kane or Sterling on an exceptional day? You need 4 or 5 top,top players at the very least. 2. Mental strength and attitude. The least passionate and most self-absorbed squad. Cossetted from youth..its about the money, headphones and roasting women. They always come home saying it was too long or they are retiring or they were bored in the hotel. Chicarito came off blubbing yesterday simply because they had won the opening match...what would he have done had they qualified! 3. Ranking and form. Ranked below the Swiss, Poland, Chile, Peru and Denmark....for good reason. These teams are at least England's equal. Weight of money with British bookmakers always shortens them. They are 15/1 and i would not back them at treble that with Southgate's money. In just over two years they have beaten one decent team (Holland), who were in free-fall. 4. Southgate. I do not rate him. Been groomed for the job by the FA since he captained England. A "Yes" man. They always speak of him as calm, intelligent, considered. I have never heard a profound or erudite word from him...even when i was in his company privately...in fact i think he is none too sharp. His management record is not exactly glowing either. Simply not the man for the job. England to beat Belgium in the final Seriously...i ran out of time and missed a biggie. 5. No central play-maker. So slow and ponderous in the middle. Henderson would struggle in Towns team...Dier is slower still. You cannot win the world cup with water carriers (actually hod-carriers). You need a Messi, a Pirlo, a Platini or a Xavi. 1. BELIEF - it's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog. Walker, personified this failing. He shouted "Pickford", on a play before the penalty. Blaming a team mate for HIS lack of belief. Just take charge of the situation and become the solution. Ooo to be Ahhh.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 23:54:16 GMT 1
Tell you who has a Messi...Argentina. And they're fucking shite. You don't need a Messi to be successful, you need a team, work ethic, organisation and some ability.
We've had superstars in the team before and done bugger all. We now appear to have a team, let's see where that takes us.
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Post by philincalifornia on Jun 24, 2018 3:08:58 GMT 1
I hope you're right. I think I've overdone my San Francisco baseball team analogy but yeah, superstars can't do it all on their own - although Beckham did once.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Jun 24, 2018 8:23:25 GMT 1
2002 is a good example of how a path to the final can work in a sides favour. Germany were bang average, probably the worst team to ever reach a final. If we'd have beaten Brazil in the QF ( remember Owen putting us 1-0 up and them being down to 10 men? ) then we'd have won it as they only had Turkey and Germany to beat to lift the trophy. We had the players, just not the manager that year. Argentina 1990 must run them close. Only lifted by Maradona who was mediocre by his own high standards. |
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