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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 24, 2018 8:51:45 GMT 1
Not sure whether we'll win it or not, but can certainly start to see the media hype rising after just 1 group game...
English football at a mahor tournament is following a familiar pattern...
Hardly surprising (some of) the Scots revel in our failure...
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 24, 2018 10:38:47 GMT 1
Not sure whether we'll win it or not, but can certainly start to see the media hype rising after just 1 group game... English football at a mahor tournament is following a familiar pattern... Hardly surprising (some of) the Scots revel in our failure... The Scots revel in our failure because they have fuck all to cheer about themselves. Same as the Irish. Also the little matter of hundreds of years of rivalry and subjugation. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 24, 2018 11:10:11 GMT 1
I doubt england are the only nation who will have gone there with a lack of genuine hope of winning it... but will have seen how all the usual trophy contenders have struggled so far and thought they might actually have a chance afterall.
Mexico, Belgium, Croatia, Uruguay, even Russia with home advantage and one or tow others, will all be looking at the form or the Germans, Argies, Brazil, Spain and France and thinking it isn;t an impossibility.
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Post by pixie on Jun 24, 2018 19:08:59 GMT 1
Because we have a left back who hasn't got the ability to use his left foot. How he is an international continues to amaze me. I wouldn't want him at Town even if he was on a free. Every single time he is in a position to cross the ball he has to stop and play the ball with his right foot to someone level or behind him. It's frankly embarrassing: what is Southgate thinking? We would be a much better team using Sessegnon in that position. And don't get me going about Sterling ...
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Post by mightytj on Jun 24, 2018 19:10:26 GMT 1
Because we have a left back who hasn't got the ability to use his left foot. How he is an international continues to amaze me. I wouldn't want him at Town even if he was on a free. Every single time he is in a position to cross the ball he has to stop and play the ball with his right foot to someone level or behind him. It's frankly embarrassing: what is Southgate thinking? We would be a much better team using Sessegnon in that position. And don't get me going about Sterling ... Serious question, do you honestly think a right footed left back will prevent us winning the World Cup? |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 24, 2018 19:12:58 GMT 1
Because we have a left back who hasn't got the ability to use his left foot. How he is an international continues to amaze me. I wouldn't want him at Town even if he was on a free. Every single time he is in a position to cross the ball he has to stop and play the ball with his right foot to someone level or behind him. It's frankly embarrassing: what is Southgate thinking? We would be a much better team using Sessegnon in that position. And don't get me going about Sterling ... The alternative is Danny Rose and he was very poor when he came on |
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Post by space hardware on Jun 24, 2018 19:18:03 GMT 1
Our defence is the biggest reason why we probably won't win it.
I'm enjoying it though.
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Post by alexdire on Jun 24, 2018 19:20:11 GMT 1
Our defence is the biggest reason why we probably won't win it. I'm enjoying it though. Yes they try and play it out from the back and can't. Belgium will have a field day. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 24, 2018 19:31:00 GMT 1
Because England will eventually play a non pub league Team and lose.
England breeze though easy qualifying and tournament groups that are full of League 1 and 2 Teams then eventually have to play a Professional Team that can play a bit.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 24, 2018 19:43:25 GMT 1
So effing what..
England will probably not win the world cup and Town will probably not win the Premier league.
Neither of these probabilities diminish my support one iota.
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Post by mightytj on Jun 24, 2018 19:53:00 GMT 1
Because England will eventually play a non pub league Team and lose. England breeze though easy qualifying and tournament groups that are full of League 1 and 2 Teams then eventually have to play a Professional Team that can play a bit. Why the complete anti England sentiment Morley? I mean by all means show little or no interest but you’re almost willing us to lose, which is really quite bizarre |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 24, 2018 20:00:14 GMT 1
Because we have a left back who hasn't got the ability to use his left foot. How he is an international continues to amaze me. I wouldn't want him at Town even if he was on a free. Every single time he is in a position to cross the ball he has to stop and play the ball with his right foot to someone level or behind him. It's frankly embarrassing: what is Southgate thinking? We would be a much better team using Sessegnon in that position. And don't get me going about Sterling ... Err...ok then. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 24, 2018 20:12:02 GMT 1
Because England will eventually play a non pub league Team and lose. England breeze though easy qualifying and tournament groups that are full of League 1 and 2 Teams then eventually have to play a Professional Team that can play a bit. Why the complete anti England sentiment Morley? I mean by all means show little or no interest but you’re almost willing us to lose, which is really quite bizarre The Tournament is a joke. Hype, hype and more hype. Oh and then you have to watch the best that World football has to offer. Like today......... Supposed to be a competition this World Cup lark and there is that one sided debacle?. You will see more tough competition in Asda on Black Friday. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 24, 2018 20:16:19 GMT 1
Why the complete anti England sentiment Morley? I mean by all means show little or no interest but you’re almost willing us to lose, which is really quite bizarre The Tournament is a joke. Hype, hype and more hype. Oh and then you have to watch the best that World football has to offer. Like today......... Supposed to be a competition this World Cup lark and there is that one sided debacle?. You will see more tough competition in Asda on Black Friday. Who will win it then o' wise one? Personally, think it's wide open. Not been impressed with any of the favourites so far. Brazil, Germany, France all lucky, Argentina shite, Spain and Portugal average. Belgium and Croatia the pick so far. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 24, 2018 20:18:58 GMT 1
The Tournament is a joke. Hype, hype and more hype. Oh and then you have to watch the best that World football has to offer. Like today......... Supposed to be a competition this World Cup lark and there is that one sided debacle?. You will see more tough competition in Asda on Black Friday. Who will win it then o' wise one? Personally, think it's wide open. Not been impressed with any of the favourites so far. Brazil, Germany, France all lucky, Argentina shite, Spain and Portugal average. Belgium and Croatia the pick so far. Who could win?. It will be the Team that has had to play competitive matches in both qualifying and group stages. That rules England out I am afraid. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 24, 2018 20:34:45 GMT 1
Who will win it then o' wise one? Personally, think it's wide open. Not been impressed with any of the favourites so far. Brazil, Germany, France all lucky, Argentina shite, Spain and Portugal average. Belgium and Croatia the pick so far. Who could win?. It will be the Team that has had to play competitive matches in both qualifying and group stages. That rules England out I am afraid. Name names and we can all lump on! Cheers. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 24, 2018 20:37:18 GMT 1
Just hit the cash out button on Poland and it wasn't really offering much ... cheers Oti!  |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 24, 2018 20:39:15 GMT 1
Who could win?. It will be the Team that has had to play competitive matches in both qualifying and group stages. That rules England out I am afraid. Name names and we can all lump on! Cheers. It's laughable this, Panama, Panama!!!! oh and em, Tunisia, yes Tunisia. And it's all 'football's coming home' etc etc. The only thing coming home is realism when England have to play the first competitive match for years which will be the Quarter finals. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 24, 2018 20:43:00 GMT 1
Name names and we can all lump on! Cheers. It's laughable this, Panama, Panama!!!! oh and em, Tunisia, yes Tunisia. And it's all 'football's coming home' etc etc. The only thing coming home is realism when England have to play the first competitive match for years which will be the Quarter finals. I'm not getting carried away after those results and don't think England are great by any stretch. I'm just interested in who will win and the cold hard cash that comes with such superior football knowledge ... pray tell! |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 24, 2018 20:43:55 GMT 1
It's laughable this, Panama, Panama!!!! oh and em, Tunisia, yes Tunisia. And it's all 'football's coming home' etc etc. The only thing coming home is realism when England have to play the first competitive match for years which will be the Quarter finals. I'm not getting carried away after those results and don't think England are great by any stretch. I'm just interested in who will win and the cold hard cash that comes with such superior football knowledge ... pray tell! It's open this tournament. I am going for Germany. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 24, 2018 21:01:26 GMT 1
I'm not getting carried away after those results and don't think England are great by any stretch. I'm just interested in who will win and the cold hard cash that comes with such superior football knowledge ... pray tell! It's open this tournament. I am going for Germany. Fair enough. Would've been my pick too but a bit underwhelmed by them and the other favourites, so not a clue now. Doesn't admitting it's open ruin your argument a bit though? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:28:23 GMT 1
Columbia look good going forward.
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Post by yorik on Jun 24, 2018 21:41:55 GMT 1
What a load of moaning shit on here just have a few beers and enjoy the world cup Brazil and Spain best so far as for England you can only trounce the cheating baatards in front of you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 22:23:22 GMT 1
Currently 5 in front of us in betting odds. Spain, Brazil, Germany, Belgium and France. If we beat Belgium next week I assume those will change. I have said this before, and our draws at Chelsea and Man City kind of support this, sometimes it is the best team that wins, not the best bunch of players. I'm not saying we will win but I would not write us off.
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Post by The-Crab on Jun 24, 2018 23:19:33 GMT 1
Great result today but they were gash, result and performance was average in the first game.
Love the spirit in the camp, but we are yet to be tested, fingers crossed we go far but I just don't think we have the squad to win it, hope I'm proved wrong.
Not sure if spurs will be happy or not with Kane scoring so many, adding more noughts on his value, but also more chance they lose him.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jun 25, 2018 7:57:06 GMT 1
It's open this tournament. I am going for Germany. Fair enough. Would've been my pick too but a bit underwhelmed by them and the other favourites, so not a clue now. Doesn't admitting it's open ruin your argument a bit though? The reality is I think England are good enough to win it and as I said in my previous post. This tournament is wide open. There is no stand-out Team, Germany included. It isn't England's fault but the reality is they only ever get to play competitive matches at the rate of about 4 every two years. Those being the one decent side in the Group stages of a Tournament (Euros and World Cup) so that's two matches. The other two being the Quarter finals (usually) in each of the same Tournaments which is the other two. It just isn't enough to gain the know-how and experience / knowledge to win big games against quality International opposition. The ridiculously easy qualifying groups England get for every tournament (and breeze though) is not helping England one bit, They don't play anybody then find it tough when eventually they do. It will never happen because of seeding (and let's face it, seeding is only in place because of money and sponsors. Seeding looking to ensure the Countries that tournaments want there, get there). But if England could get a tough qualifying group with other quality International Teams that they have to play twice each. And then come through it to qualify. They would be so much better prepared for the tough matches at knock-out stage at tournaments. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 25, 2018 8:06:54 GMT 1
Just hit the cash out button on Poland and it wasn't really offering much ... cheers Oti! 6 competitive defeats in 5 years and then they serve up that bilge. OK, they were 120/1 but i expected a lot, lot more. Apologies. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 25, 2018 8:10:23 GMT 1
Fair enough. Would've been my pick too but a bit underwhelmed by them and the other favourites, so not a clue now. Doesn't admitting it's open ruin your argument a bit though? The reality is I think England are good enough to win it and as I said in my previous post. This tournament is wide open. There is no stand-out Team, Germany included. It isn't England's fault but the reality is they only ever get to play competitive matches at the rate of about 4 every two years. Those being the one decent side in the Group stages of a Tournament (Euros and World Cup) so that's two matches. The other two being the Quarter finals (usually) in each of the same Tournaments which is the other two. It just isn't enough to gain the know-how and experience / knowledge to win big games against quality International opposition. The ridiculously easy qualifying groups England get for every tournament (and breeze though) is not helping England one bit, They don't play anybody then find it tough when eventually they do. It will never happen because of seeding (and let's face it, seeding is only in place because of money and sponsors. Seeding looking to ensure the Countries that tournaments want there, get there). But if England could get a tough qualifying group with other quality International Teams that they have to play twice each. And then come through it to qualify. They would be so much better prepared for the tough matches at knock-out stage at tournaments. That sounds really sensible on face value, but the winners (and finalists for that matter) are nearly always a top seed or even the host who had no qualifying games, so I'm struggling with the logic you propose. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 25, 2018 8:10:25 GMT 1
Just hit the cash out button on Poland and it wasn't really offering much ... cheers Oti! 6 competitive defeats in 5 years and then they serve up that bilge. OK, they were 120/1 but i expected a lot, lot more. Apologies. Only messing, I thought they'd do much better too. Lewandowski alone usually ensures they get through the group. My one bet looking healthy at the moment is Croatia. If they get to the quarters that'll do me nicely and anything beyond is a bonus. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 25, 2018 8:13:19 GMT 1
Fair enough. Would've been my pick too but a bit underwhelmed by them and the other favourites, so not a clue now. Doesn't admitting it's open ruin your argument a bit though? The reality is I think England are good enough to win it and as I said in my previous post. This tournament is wide open. There is no stand-out Team, Germany included. It isn't England's fault but the reality is they only ever get to play competitive matches at the rate of about 4 every two years. Those being the one decent side in the Group stages of a Tournament (Euros and World Cup) so that's two matches. The other two being the Quarter finals (usually) in each of the same Tournaments which is the other two. It just isn't enough to gain the know-how and experience / knowledge to win big games against quality International opposition. The ridiculously easy qualifying groups England get for every tournament (and breeze though) is not helping England one bit, They don't play anybody then find it tough when eventually they do. It will never happen because of seeding (and let's face it, seeding is only in place because of money and sponsors. Seeding looking to ensure the Countries that tournaments want there, get there). But if England could get a tough qualifying group with other quality International Teams that they have to play twice each. And then come through it to qualify. They would be so much better prepared for the tough matches at knock-out stage at tournaments. Morley i agree to some extent regarding the lack of quality England play during qualification but it is the same for most teams. Belgium played Gibraltar, Cyprus, Estonia, Greece. Spain played Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Israel, Albania. Poland played Kazakhstan, Armenia, Montenegro. Germany played San Marino, Azerbaijan, Norway. It is not just us that breezes through a low standard qualification group so we are all in the same boat. Just because we coast through to a knockout, along with the other decent teams, that should not be a negative, which it always seems to be with most English fans. All we can do is beat who is in front of us and then hope we turn over one of the better teams, which we are more than capable of doing. Many people seem to have the same thinking, once we play a decent team we will get knocked out. Maybe so, but that is because most of the teams who get to the knockout stages are good teams and it is a pretty level playing field so anything can happen, doesn't mean we are crap if we get turned over by a decent team, same as it doesn't mean we are world beaters if we beat a decent team. We have a very good team that is worth, in my opinion, a quarter final place at least. That is good enough for me. I don't expect to win anything nor do i expect us to roll over easily. I have enjoyed watching us this time, it is a shame others can't just enjoy it for what it is. |
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