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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 12, 2018 21:50:21 GMT 1
The reason we didn't win last night was we were beaten by a side that were pretty much better in every department, and they simply wanted it more.No shame in goin out at the semi final stage. Let's hope the FA now build on what the England team actually achieved otherwise they will have missed an opportunity to produce a team of tournament winners. No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 22:34:13 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. Yes it is and no they didn't. If the Croatians do have an edge the English don't it will probably stem from something more serious than jingoistic English newspapers. |
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Post by taskmaster on Jul 12, 2018 22:54:59 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. How do you know that it's a fact? Do you know the players of both teams? Of course saying they wanted it more is lazy. Plenty of people want to be professional footballers more so than some professional footballers, so why don't they become footballers? Talent. |
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Post by ozterrier on Jul 12, 2018 23:30:58 GMT 1
Facts are quantifiable. Measurable. Provable. Not just something you really, really, really believe!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 12, 2018 23:38:52 GMT 1
Facts are quantifiable. Measurable. Provable. Not just something you really, really, really believe! Fact |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 13, 2018 0:05:37 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. How does whatever our media said effect how much our team wanted to win? It doesn;t in the slightest. Fuck me its a world cup semi final! Do you seriously think the croatians heard about something a journalist wrote and thought " Well I was only wanting this 95%, but ooooo thats made me cross, so now I want it 100%!! " Their edge was a bit more quality in the middle, a lot more experience and our inability to take the game away from them when we were dominant in the first half hour. The idea we didn;t want it as much as them is bollocks. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Jul 13, 2018 2:22:49 GMT 1
I'm hoping the lucky waistcoat is in the dumpster by now.
I know it's a bit narcissistic of me, but I was thinking he was personally taking the piss out of me and a couple of others on here by dressing like we used to dress on a Saturday night out at Bradford Mecca in 1971.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 8:24:18 GMT 1
I'm hoping the lucky waistcoat is in the dumpster by now. I know it's a bit narcissistic of me, but I was thinking he was personally taking the piss out of me and a couple of others on here by dressing like we used to dress on a Saturday night out at Bradford Mecca in 1971. And anyone who starts wearing one because he wants to follow fashion tips from the England football manager is a complete dick. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2018 9:43:13 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. The idea that we lost because the players lacked desire seems to me a strange claim to make. Croatia's players have said the English media did their team talk? I'm sure it gave them confidence - took a bit of pressure off, gave them an edge etc. - but whilst you can doubt the quality of some of England's players (particularly vs Croatia's midfield), for the first time in many years I'm not questioning their desire one bit. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2018 9:50:18 GMT 1
I'm hoping the lucky waistcoat is in the dumpster by now. I know it's a bit narcissistic of me, but I was thinking he was personally taking the piss out of me and a couple of others on here by dressing like we used to dress on a Saturday night out at Bradford Mecca in 1971. And anyone who starts wearing one because he wants to follow fashion tips from the England football manager is a complete dick. Remember when red & blue umbrellas were all the rage 11 years ago? |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 13, 2018 9:55:05 GMT 1
It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. Croatia's players have said the English media did their team talk? I'm sure it gave them confidence - took a bit of pressure off, gave them an edge etc. - but whilst you can doubt the quality of some of England's players (particularly vs Croatia's midfield), for the first time in many years I'm not questioning their desire one bit. oh no. They didn't lack desire. The Croatians just wanted it a bit more. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 13, 2018 9:59:20 GMT 1
So if our lads wanted it 100% , the Croations wanted it more ? More than 100% ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 10:03:00 GMT 1
And anyone who starts wearing one because he wants to follow fashion tips from the England football manager is a complete dick. Remember when red & blue umbrellas were all the rage 11 years ago? No but I am pretty crap at this sort of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 10:10:42 GMT 1
The idea that we lost because the players lacked desire seems to me a strange claim to make.Croatia's players have said the English media did their team talk? I'm sure it gave them confidence - took a bit of pressure off, gave them an edge etc. - but whilst you can doubt the quality of some of England's players (particularly vs Croatia's midfield), for the first time in many years I'm not questioning their desire one bit. oh no. They didn't lack desire. The Croatians just wanted it a bit more. or maybe they just had the most influential player. Or maybe our manager was that other 'phone in experts' favourite cliché 'tactically naïve'? |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2018 11:05:07 GMT 1
The idea that we lost because the players lacked desire seems to me a strange claim to make.Croatia's players have said the English media did their team talk? I'm sure it gave them confidence - took a bit of pressure off, gave them an edge etc. - but whilst you can doubt the quality of some of England's players (particularly vs Croatia's midfield), for the first time in many years I'm not questioning their desire one bit. oh no. They didn't lack desire. The Croatians just wanted it a bit more. If the reason that we lost was that the other side wanted it more, then by definition we lacked desire. I think we lacked cutting edge and a bit of luck. I think we lacked a midfielder as good as Modric. Their RHS was better than our left and they exploited that. They didn't "want it more". |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2018 12:20:50 GMT 1
Ever noticed none of them go to Barca...Juve...Athletico...Porto...PSG? We create robots. Maguire can head it...he is like a 1980's centre half...he ball control is poor. 20 backpasses to Pickford in the tournament. Croatia passed to the keeper once yesterday...England 8 or 9 times. If you think Maguire is a good footballer i suggest you go watch Weeds. Clown... But as we know with your MO you'll just keep responding until people give up and don't respond - tedious you are when you're on a topic that you know you've a very thin argument to work with... Always the contrary one...have you ever agreed with a post of mine? We meet a half decent team and get outplayed....not enough quality players, nothing to do with bad luck or a bad day. Their midfield tore at us every time they got it. We might have dominated the first 30 minutes but it was head-tennis and hoof-ball. We had 3 x 60 yard hoofs from right back to left forward with Sterling going like the clappers...that is not football. Jog on. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 13, 2018 12:36:30 GMT 1
Its funny how you registered those 3 long balls from right back but somehow missed every time Maguire brought the ball out of defence and started an attack! Something he did 4 or 5 times in each game!
Deciding what happened in a game BEFORE kick off isn;t going to give you an opinion worth having Oti.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 13, 2018 12:46:28 GMT 1
No they didn't. Thats a really lazy kind of statement that doesn't have anything to back it up at all. It's not a lazy statement it is a bloody fact. Ask a certain Mr Modric or any Croatian why and they'll tell you. Because our media did their team talk for them. Gave them an edge we simply did not have, so yes they wanted it more than us. Afraid that's just a load of hogwash - they didn't show any edge for 60 minutes. Fair enough they outdid us in the end but that was due to the extra bit of quality they had in midfield that we didn't have the answer to when they pushed forward in the second half. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 13, 2018 14:01:26 GMT 1
Clown... But as we know with your MO you'll just keep responding until people give up and don't respond - tedious you are when you're on a topic that you know you've a very thin argument to work with... Always the contrary one...have you ever agreed with a post of mine? We meet a half decent team and get outplayed....not enough quality players, nothing to do with bad luck or a bad day. Their midfield tore at us every time they got it. We might have dominated the first 30 minutes but it was head-tennis and hoof-ball. We had 3 x 60 yard hoofs from right back to left forward with Sterling going like the clappers...that is not football. Jog on. Thanks for proving my point... |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2018 20:41:12 GMT 1
Always the contrary one...have you ever agreed with a post of mine? We meet a half decent team and get outplayed....not enough quality players, nothing to do with bad luck or a bad day. Their midfield tore at us every time they got it. We might have dominated the first 30 minutes but it was head-tennis and hoof-ball. We had 3 x 60 yard hoofs from right back to left forward with Sterling going like the clappers...that is not football. Jog on. Thanks for proving my point... Never let it rest do you Fishy? Go pull the legs from some spiders. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 6, 2019 22:19:51 GMT 1
Its funny how you registered those 3 long balls from right back but somehow missed every time Maguire brought the ball out of defence and started an attack! Something he did 4 or 5 times in each game! Deciding what happened in a game BEFORE kick off isn;t going to give you an opinion worth having Oti. Here we go...Maguire bringing the ball from defence. He is RUBBISH. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 6, 2019 22:30:51 GMT 1
Its funny how you registered those 3 long balls from right back but somehow missed every time Maguire brought the ball out of defence and started an attack! Something he did 4 or 5 times in each game! Deciding what happened in a game BEFORE kick off isn;t going to give you an opinion worth having Oti. Here we go...Maguire bringing the ball from defence. He is RUBBISH. Give us your alternate XI then Oti. Who would you choose in Southgates shoes? |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 6, 2019 22:46:52 GMT 1
Here we go...Maguire bringing the ball from defence. He is RUBBISH. Give us your alternate XI then Oti. Who would you choose in Southgates shoes? OK...not Maguire, Stones, Henderson, Barkley, Dier or Alli. They are all so predictable and average. England will never be a powerhouse again. 100 Spanish coaches in Qatar. 50 in India. English? It is, and will always be, about the ball. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 6, 2019 22:57:06 GMT 1
Give us your alternate XI then Oti. Who would you choose in Southgates shoes? OK...not Maguire, Stones, Henderson, Barkley, Dier or Alli. They are all so predictable and average. England will never be a powerhouse again. 100 Spanish coaches in Qatar. 50 in India. English? It is, and will always be, about the ball. Smashing, so you don't have some alternative suggestions then? The majority of these players are wiped out. As were the Dutch, but you'll see that I said they deserved the win anyway. The over hyping of the PL is partly to blame, a long season to a degree & then the fact that football in general, is reaching saturation level. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 6, 2019 23:28:54 GMT 1
OK...not Maguire, Stones, Henderson, Barkley, Dier or Alli. They are all so predictable and average. England will never be a powerhouse again. 100 Spanish coaches in Qatar. 50 in India. English? It is, and will always be, about the ball. Smashing, so you don't have some alternative suggestions then? The majority of these players are wiped out. As were the Dutch, but you'll see that I said they deserved the win anyway. The over hyping of the PL is partly to blame, a long season to a degree & then the fact that football in general, is reaching saturation level. Not when i am pissed and flying in the morning.I ALWAYS have suggestions. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 6, 2019 23:33:19 GMT 1
Smashing, so you don't have some alternative suggestions then? The majority of these players are wiped out. As were the Dutch, but you'll see that I said they deserved the win anyway. The over hyping of the PL is partly to blame, a long season to a degree & then the fact that football in general, is reaching saturation level. Not when i am pissed and flying in the morning. I ALWAYS have suggestions.We know... |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 6, 2019 23:41:46 GMT 1
If Southgate wants to play out from the back he has to find the players who can do it. Stones simply can't. Tonight isn't the first time he's fucked up, he does it regularly but has often got away with it in the past. Maquire likes to carry the ball forward but rarely produces a killer pass, however when we have a midfield as poor as ours then its no wonder he runs down a blind alley.
Its time we ditched Stones and replaced him with Gomez and tell Maquire, when in doubt hoof the bloody thing.
There's a meaningless game on Saturday but it will be a chance to ditch all but Chilwell from that defence (he was poor tonight but is usually good) and lets see what the likes of Trent- Arnold, Gomez & A.N.Other can do.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 7, 2019 1:11:56 GMT 1
Stones has always been a walking fuck up waiting to happen. Was when he first broke through and still is.
He cost us the game tonight but that hadn;t been the first time hed been caught out even in that game.
Maguires usually good at that, but ( much to Otis delight no doubt ) he had a shocker tonight too. Walker too.
The only one to have a good game was the keeper IMO.
Probably as bad as England have played for a long time.
A 10 minute spell at 1-1 at the end of normal time was good, but that apart we never looked ourselves.
Some players looked jaded, some looked like theyre lacking game time. Better side won.
The missing piece of the jigsaw is that central midfielder we lack. Theres a lot of excellent youngsters coming through so hopefully one will be in place for the Euros. Maddison perhaps.. can see him getting a big move this summer.
But 2 semi finals in a year with a very young group of players ( which seems to get even younger as games go by ) so all in all we've made a lot of progress over the past 2 or 3 years and are firmly established as one of the top sides in international football just now.
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