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Post by 28901 on Nov 1, 2020 1:57:56 GMT 1
What must it have been like for these two young players to arrive in Huddersfield from the South of France, having been sold the dream of Premier League football, only to discover that: a) the manager was playing a brand of defensive football completely ill-suited to your style of play b) that the club you had signed for couldn't win a game or score a goal, and c) then to be outcasts from a team battling Championship relegation under the Cowleys? Their renaissance under Carlos is not just a tribute to Carlos. It's a tribute to the characters of Adama and Isaac, who are showing character and humility to emerge from a nightmare couple of years. Time to get behind them. Careful now. You're looking at things from a different perspective and point of view. That's frowned upon on DATM.
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Post by captainblack on Nov 1, 2020 8:22:40 GMT 1
Lots of people have forgotten that Diakhaby looked electric a few games last year. Most of the time he was just shocking. That's a bit harsh , I thought you may give him a decent plug.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 8:48:27 GMT 1
Wingers, more than anyone, are confidence players. Take that away from any sideman and they’ll be a shadow of themselves at their peak.
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Post by haskins on Nov 1, 2020 8:51:49 GMT 1
Diakhaby was The Sunday Times MoM.
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 1, 2020 8:54:16 GMT 1
Perhaps because he was brought in to improve the team in our second season on the prem. ffs. Worst £ for £ signing on our history. Hull mom and another couple of half decent performances doesn’t hide anything I’m still keeping my fingers crossed that Carlos can do something with the twins , if only to try and get some type of value out of them before their contracts expire Bollocks. If it's pound for pound that's Pritchard I’m not having that it’s bollocks. I’d say it’s touch and go. In Pritchards defence he can at least trap a ball lol
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 1, 2020 8:56:31 GMT 1
Diakhaby was The Sunday Times MoM. Ridiculous. The millwall commentary was taking the piss about how bad he was first half. I didn’t see the second half as I had to go out. But surely he’d have needed to have a worldy in the second half to be mom
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Post by shawsie on Nov 1, 2020 9:05:21 GMT 1
What must it have been like for these two young players to arrive in Huddersfield from the South of France, having been sold the dream of Premier League football, only to discover that: a) the manager was playing a brand of defensive football completely ill-suited to your style of play b) that the club you had signed for couldn't win a game or score a goal, and c) then to be outcasts from a team battling Championship relegation under the Cowleys? Their renaissance under Carlos is not just a tribute to Carlos. It's a tribute to the characters of Adama and Isaac, who are showing character and humility to emerge from a nightmare couple of years. Time to get behind them. Sold a dream of prem league?! I think somebody should have told them that to live the dream you have to contribute to it! Character and humility or a realisation they’ve done square root of feck all in 2 yrs plus and couldn’t get a game in a poor championship team.......and they’re out of contract soon?! Carlos is doing a fine job.......and the players deserve credit for improvement, but they remain hugely in debit for me.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 1, 2020 9:11:23 GMT 1
What must it have been like for these two young players to arrive in Huddersfield from the South of France, having been sold the dream of Premier League football, only to discover that: a) the manager was playing a brand of defensive football completely ill-suited to your style of play b) that the club you had signed for couldn't win a game or score a goal, and c) then to be outcasts from a team battling Championship relegation under the Cowleys? Their renaissance under Carlos is not just a tribute to Carlos. It's a tribute to the characters of Adama and Isaac, who are showing character and humility to emerge from a nightmare couple of years. Time to get behind them. Important to look at both sides of the story but unfortunately this is a sob story I’m struggling to buy into. A few minutes due diligence about your future employer could have solved a and b.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 9:34:41 GMT 1
What must it have been like for these two young players to arrive in Huddersfield from the South of France, having been sold the dream of Premier League football, only to discover that: a) the manager was playing a brand of defensive football completely ill-suited to your style of play b) that the club you had signed for couldn't win a game or score a goal, and c) then to be outcasts from a team battling Championship relegation under the Cowleys? Their renaissance under Carlos is not just a tribute to Carlos. It's a tribute to the characters of Adama and Isaac, who are showing character and humility to emerge from a nightmare couple of years. Time to get behind them. Important to look at both sides of the story but unfortunately this is a sob story I’m struggling to buy into. A few minutes due diligence about your future employer could have solved a and b. If we're talking due diligence, why wasn't that for the Town hierarchy not to spend millions on players who had no place in Wagner's new system? If Town couldn't work that out, how were Adama and Isaac meant to know? Presumably they were told that they WOULD fit the style of play.
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Post by bigtruck on Nov 1, 2020 9:57:14 GMT 1
Important to look at both sides of the story but unfortunately this is a sob story I’m struggling to buy into. A few minutes due diligence about your future employer could have solved a and b. If we're talking due diligence, why wasn't that for the Town hierarchy not to spend millions on players who had no place in Wagner's new system? If Town couldn't work that out, how were Adama and Isaac meant to know? Presumably they were told that they WOULD fit the style of play. It’s not due diligence that hits the corner flag from a shot or whose first touch on the half way line puts it out for a dead ball.
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Post by softboy on Nov 1, 2020 10:41:26 GMT 1
Cannot we just cut these guys some slack. They joined us for big fees which at the time the club were happy to pay (for potential I guess). They were frozen out by the previous manager but as far as I can see kept their heads down and didn't cause any trouble. They have both contributed to a reasonable start to the season. They both started at Millwall were we won 3 0 !
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 1, 2020 12:00:58 GMT 1
Important to look at both sides of the story but unfortunately this is a sob story I’m struggling to buy into. A few minutes due diligence about your future employer could have solved a and b. If we're talking due diligence, why wasn't that for the Town hierarchy not to spend millions on players who had no place in Wagner's new system? If Town couldn't work that out, how were Adama and Isaac meant to know? Presumably they were told that they WOULD fit the style of play. Couldn’t agree more. We massively screwed up but that’s not what we’re talking about here. They didn’t have to join us and as I say a and b are easily solved. The transfer fee is not the players fault. But return on investment on large salaries is and I’m not buying that these guys have tried their hardest since being here to make an impact for the club they were happy to join. That being said more of yesterday will hopefully soften the cost of the last 2 years they’ve given us
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 13:51:21 GMT 1
If we're talking due diligence, why wasn't that for the Town hierarchy not to spend millions on players who had no place in Wagner's new system? If Town couldn't work that out, how were Adama and Isaac meant to know? Presumably they were told that they WOULD fit the style of play. Couldn’t agree more. We massively screwed up but that’s not what we’re talking about here. They didn’t have to join us and as I say a and b are easily solved. The transfer fee is not the players fault. But return on investment on large salaries is and I’m not buying that these guys have tried their hardest since being here to make an impact for the club they were happy to join. That being said more of yesterday will hopefully soften the cost of the last 2 years they’ve given us There are plenty of young footballers who take things for granted. But what did Carlos Corberan have to say about Mbenza? "I asked him to come back to training early and tried to help him improve his physical levels. He accepted and when a player is willing to give up holiday time it tells you they want to work hard and it was an opportunity for him to take advantage of. We always want our players to give us facts, not words, and he is one player who did that. He's self-demanding and is trying to improve and give something to the Huddersfield fans."
In other words, according to the manager, who works with him on a day-to-day basis, he's the very opposite of the characterisation that some have presented. Both he and Diakhaby are working hard to take their opportunity, and that's all we can ask.
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 1, 2020 14:14:40 GMT 1
For some people I don't think they even bother watching the games and just have it in their heads that them 2 must have been crap today or everytime they have a decent game it's a one off. Yes, but some people have trouble operating a light switch. We're not going to change the fact that some fans have rocks for brains, but I can recommend judicious use of the "Block" feature, which makes matchdays all the sweeter.
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 1, 2020 14:18:41 GMT 1
What must it have been like for these two young players to arrive in Huddersfield from the South of France, having been sold the dream of Premier League football, only to discover that: a) the manager was playing a brand of defensive football completely ill-suited to your style of play b) that the club you had signed for couldn't win a game or score a goal, and c) then to be outcasts from a team battling Championship relegation under the Cowleys? Their renaissance under Carlos is not just a tribute to Carlos. It's a tribute to the characters of Adama and Isaac, who are showing character and humility to emerge from a nightmare couple of years. Time to get behind them. Careful now. You're looking at things from a different perspective and point of view. That's frowned upon on DATM. Agree: brave, bermuda. Spot on btw, but brave. It's easier to just dismiss them as dogshit and feel good about yourself.
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 1, 2020 14:20:23 GMT 1
they remain hugely in debit for me. They'll be losing tons of sleep over that, you withholding your praise. I know I would be.
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 1, 2020 14:21:38 GMT 1
If we're talking due diligence, why wasn't that for the Town hierarchy not to spend millions on players who had no place in Wagner's new system? If Town couldn't work that out, how were Adama and Isaac meant to know? Presumably they were told that they WOULD fit the style of play. It’s not due diligence that hits the corner flag from a shot or whose first touch on the half way line puts it out for a dead ball. It's confidence.
You're contributing massively to this - keep it up.
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Post by daftmidge on Nov 1, 2020 14:38:59 GMT 1
Haha. They are coming good that's all that matters now. Also stop being miserable at games when we are allowed back please. Stupid whinging fans don't help the team play better so stop it. You have several months to work out how to do that. Good luck
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 1, 2020 15:47:53 GMT 1
Couldn’t agree more. We massively screwed up but that’s not what we’re talking about here. They didn’t have to join us and as I say a and b are easily solved. The transfer fee is not the players fault. But return on investment on large salaries is and I’m not buying that these guys have tried their hardest since being here to make an impact for the club they were happy to join. That being said more of yesterday will hopefully soften the cost of the last 2 years they’ve given us There are plenty of young footballers who take things for granted. But what did Carlos Corberan have to say about Mbenza? "I asked him to come back to training early and tried to help him improve his physical levels. He accepted and when a player is willing to give up holiday time it tells you they want to work hard and it was an opportunity for him to take advantage of. We always want our players to give us facts, not words, and he is one player who did that. He's self-demanding and is trying to improve and give something to the Huddersfield fans."
In other words, according to the manager, who works with him on a day-to-day basis, he's the very opposite of the characterisation that some have presented. Both he and Diakhaby are working hard to take their opportunity, and that's all we can ask. I’m delighted to hear they’re prepared to buckle down and hopefully contribute more consistently to the side this season. I don’t think I even doubted that was the case at this moment in time. Maybe the reality of having to think about the next big contract or how short the career of a footballer really is has finally dawned on them. Credit to CC for achieving this and of course credit to them for deciding to do the right thing. Whatever the reason I sincerely hope we benefit from a good season out of the pair of them. Going back to my answer on your original point though, it still doesn’t warrant the sob story. They’ve an opportunity to draw a line under the last couple of seasons and If they both continue to feature in the side all season and put in shifts like yesterday consistently, then great, We’ll have seen a shift in attitude and I’ll continue to support them.
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Post by NumeroUno on Nov 1, 2020 16:02:34 GMT 1
No doubt they've been shit signings so far and there's probably regrets and poor decisions made on both sides, with mitigating circumstances on both sides too.
Quite simply though now that we have a manager that has given them some attention and an opportunity, and they've decided to get stuck in and put in effort, we should all be drawing a line in the sand and giving them a chance to prove themselves.
It's clear something (or a few things) has changed so to keep harping on about the past decisions and their perceived failings helps nobody. Hopefully they keep it up and we can all start to look forward.
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 1, 2020 16:22:21 GMT 1
Haha. They are coming good that's all that matters now. Also stop being miserable at games when we are allowed back please. Stupid whinging fans don't help the team play better so stop it. You have several months to work out how to do that. Good luck Could not agree more daft. Fan, or grumbling whinger in the corner, sucking all the joy and positivity out the place? Seems straightforward to me. UTT
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Post by evidentlychickentown on Nov 1, 2020 17:17:26 GMT 1
Remember watching Diakhaby last season in the 2-2 draw at Blackburn and thought he had talent and certainly potential. However, it’s been down hill all the way since then culminating in the Cowleys showing him the door. He by all accounts was no better at Forest and after dejectedly walking off against Birmingham after a shocking performance, he looked a broken man. For Carlos to keep the faith, against every fans wish, and not only select him for Millwall, but restore his confidence and get that performance from him, speaks volumes for him as a manager and coach. I doff my cap in admiration good sir !!
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 1, 2020 17:31:58 GMT 1
Haha. They are coming good that's all that matters now. Also stop being miserable at games when we are allowed back please. Stupid whinging fans don't help the team play better so stop it. You have several months to work out how to do that. Good luck Could not agree more daft. Fan or grumbling whinger in the corner, sucking all the joy and positivity out the place? Seems straightforward to me. UTT We’ve had to endure two terrible seasons on the bounce yet the vast majority of that time the fans have stuck with the players. It’s time for them to start paying back that support
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 1, 2020 18:00:15 GMT 1
Could not agree more daft. Fan or grumbling whinger in the corner, sucking all the joy and positivity out the place? Seems straightforward to me. UTT We’ve had to endure two terrible seasons on the bounce yet the vast majority of that time the fans have stuck with the players. It’s time for them to start paying back that support Agree, but much more likely to happen if we get behind them rather than standing over them telling them they're shit night and day. UTT.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Nov 1, 2020 18:21:20 GMT 1
Could not agree more daft. Fan or grumbling whinger in the corner, sucking all the joy and positivity out the place? Seems straightforward to me. UTT We’ve had to endure two terrible seasons on the bounce yet the vast majority of that time the fans have stuck with the players. It’s time for them to start paying back that support Our fans have endured some real shit and in the main have shown unbelievable tolerance. At the same time, that support has not been universally applied. Either way, it's time to move on.
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Post by daftmidge on Nov 1, 2020 18:50:24 GMT 1
Totally agree with all the sentiments above we are all in the same boat, us the players the coach and the board. After the last few years we all deserve a smile. So, let's buy into it now and see where we go. I am already happier than I've been in two seasons. After the disappointment of the previous two games, Saturday was for me at least an unexpected joy. And joy is what it's all about yea. UTT
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 1, 2020 19:17:39 GMT 1
It's like having two new players. Carlos has recycled them from the scrapheap. More games, more confidence and hopefully there's more improvement to come
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Post by Amigo on Nov 1, 2020 19:27:52 GMT 1
Remember watching Diakhaby last season in the 2-2 draw at Blackburn and thought he had talent and certainly potential. However, it’s been down hill all the way since then culminating in the Cowleys showing him the door. He by all accounts was no better at Forest and after dejectedly walking off against Birmingham after a shocking performance, he looked a broken man. For Carlos to keep the faith, against every fans wish, and not only select him for Millwall, but restore his confidence and get that performance from him, speaks volumes for him as a manager and coach. I doff my cap in admiration good sir !! Credit to Carlos yes but I think Diakhaby deserves a bit of credit as well for such a quick turn around. He'll have known himself he had a bit of a shocker so rather than sulk he's obviously shown Carlos in training he's willing to work and that Carlos can put his faith in him.
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Post by Jack on Nov 1, 2020 19:30:19 GMT 1
It's like having two new players. Carlos has recycled them from the scrapheap. More games, more confidence and hopefully there's more improvement to come More interest from other clubs too hopefully.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Nov 1, 2020 19:44:11 GMT 1
It's about time they both showed something but let's not go overboard, they're hardly bursting the net or assisting week in week out. What we paid in transfers & wages for these lads mean they are 2 of the worst value deals we've ever done. Diakhaby may have improved yesterday but he was pathetic midweek.
I hope they both prove me wrong but the cynic in me says their agents have said come on fellas, your contract is up in summer, you've got to do summat to get new clubs.
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