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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 1, 2020 20:32:43 GMT 1
It's about time they both showed something but let's not go overboard, they're hardly bursting the net or assisting week in week out. What we paid in transfers & wages for these lads mean they are 2 of the worst value deals we've ever done. Diakhaby may have improved yesterday but he was pathetic midweek. I hope they both prove me wrong but the cynic in me says their agents have said come on fellas, your contract is up in summer, you've got to do summat to get new clubs. Pritchard has been worse value for £11 million considering his contributions relative to his playtime, the fact he was meant to be the finished article, etc. How about Kongolo, the club's £18 million record signing who contributed to a grand total of 4 clean sheets in his 40 odd appearances, was a shadow of the player we had on loan, and then actively stopped trying when picked last season! |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Nov 1, 2020 20:45:57 GMT 1
It's about time they both showed something but let's not go overboard, they're hardly bursting the net or assisting week in week out. What we paid in transfers & wages for these lads mean they are 2 of the worst value deals we've ever done. Diakhaby may have improved yesterday but he was pathetic midweek. I hope they both prove me wrong but the cynic in me says their agents have said come on fellas, your contract is up in summer, you've got to do summat to get new clubs. Pritchard has been worse value for £11 million considering his contributions relative to his playtime, the fact he was meant to be the finished article, etc. How about Kongolo, the club's £18 million record signing who contributed to a grand total of 4 clean sheets in his 40 odd appearances, was a shadow of the player we had on loan, and then actively stopped trying when picked last season! Couldn't agree more, they are both up there too |
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Post by 28901 on Nov 1, 2020 23:02:25 GMT 1
Diakhaby was The Sunday Times MoM. Ridiculous. The millwall commentary was taking the piss about how bad he was first half. I didn’t see the second half as I had to go out. But surely he’d have needed to have a worldy in the second half to be mom Millwall commentators were a set of c**** so let's leave them out of the equation. |
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 1, 2020 23:04:59 GMT 1
Ridiculous. The millwall commentary was taking the piss about how bad he was first half. I didn’t see the second half as I had to go out. But surely he’d have needed to have a worldy in the second half to be mom Millwall commentators were a set of c**** so let's leave them out of the equation. You’re not wrong. Dreadful. But just like the Brentford away game , both the home commentators continued to call diakhaby out as a poor player. |
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 1, 2020 23:07:24 GMT 1
Pritchard has been worse value for £11 million considering his contributions relative to his playtime, the fact he was meant to be the finished article, etc. How about Kongolo, the club's £18 million record signing who contributed to a grand total of 4 clean sheets in his 40 odd appearances, was a shadow of the player we had on loan, and then actively stopped trying when picked last season! Couldn't agree more, they are both up there too Good god. Depressing when you think about it |
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Post by mids on Nov 1, 2020 23:10:12 GMT 1
Millwall commentators were a set of c**** so let's leave them out of the equation. You’re not wrong. Dreadful. But just like the Brentford away game , both the home commentators continued to call diakhaby out as a poor player. He makes Yoghurt Taylor look like Ronaldo sometimes:) |
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Post by 28901 on Nov 1, 2020 23:11:36 GMT 1
Millwall commentators were a set of c**** so let's leave them out of the equation. You’re not wrong. Dreadful. But just like the Brentford away game , both the home commentators continued to call diakhaby out as a poor player. Thing is we all know they and Pritchard have been way below the standards we needed at the time. I remember Diakhaby v Hull and He destroyed their full back. You just dont get to the level he is by being shit. You just can't. There is something there and hopefully CC can bring it out |
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 1, 2020 23:25:39 GMT 1
You’re not wrong. Dreadful. But just like the Brentford away game , both the home commentators continued to call diakhaby out as a poor player. Thing is we all know they and Pritchard have been way below the standards we needed at the time. I remember Diakhaby v Hull and He destroyed their full back. You just dont get to the level he is by being shit. You just can't. There is something there and hopefully CC can bring it out Hardly miss a game home or away yet I missed the hull game. A great win and ADs best game. For me if Carlos can get a tune out of any of them 3 he’s doing well. If he gets all 3 up and running it’s a chuffing miracle of biblical proportions |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 1:01:29 GMT 1
Thing is we all know they and Pritchard have been way below the standards we needed at the time. I remember Diakhaby v Hull and He destroyed their full back. You just dont get to the level he is by being shit. You just can't. There is something there and hopefully CC can bring it out Hardly miss a game home or away yet I missed the hull game. A great win and ADs best game. For me if Carlos can get a tune out of any of them 3 he’s doing well. If he gets all 3 up and running it’s a chuffing miracle of biblical proportions I reckon all 3 will be contributing regularly soon. They’ve all got pace or ability or a bit of both. Carlos is a great coach. They’re listening to him. We’re seeing it happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 1:27:39 GMT 1
You’re not wrong. Dreadful. But just like the Brentford away game , both the home commentators continued to call diakhaby out as a poor player. Thing is we all know they and Pritchard have been way below the standards we needed at the time. I remember Diakhaby v Hull and He destroyed their full back. You just dont get to the level he is by being shit. You just can't. There is something there and hopefully CC can bring it out I also remember him coming off the bench against Liverpool in the Prem and having Joe Gomez on toast. |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Nov 2, 2020 4:08:12 GMT 1
Pritchard has been very disappointing. I was so excited when he joined but he’s just never got going. However in terms of value for money, he did slip Mounie in against West Brom to get us a vital 3 points, and scored the opener against Bournemouth that year.
Those moments got us vital points that kept us up. I really can't call any of that squad a waste of money (maybe Malone). But right now he would be the one i’d be moat relieved to get off the books.
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 2, 2020 11:17:59 GMT 1
Thing is we all know they and Pritchard have been way below the standards we needed at the time. I remember Diakhaby v Hull and He destroyed their full back. You just dont get to the level he is by being shit. You just can't. There is something there and hopefully CC can bring it out I also remember him coming off the bench against Liverpool in the Prem and having Joe Gomez on toast. yep. was excellent in the home game against arsenal as well. |
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Post by golcarexile on Nov 2, 2020 11:30:48 GMT 1
Pritchard has been very disappointing. I was so excited when he joined but he’s just never got going. However in terms of value for money, he did slip Mounie in against West Brom to get us a vital 3 points, and scored the opener against Bournemouth that year. Those moments got us vital points that kept us up. I really can't call any of that squad a waste of money (maybe Malone). But right now he would be the one i’d be moat relieved to get off the books. Malone was great value - comedy value. Him smashing the ball into his own face is one of the funniest things I've seen on a football pitch. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 2, 2020 14:26:31 GMT 1
Thing is we all know they and Pritchard have been way below the standards we needed at the time. I remember Diakhaby v Hull and He destroyed their full back. You just dont get to the level he is by being shit. You just can't. There is something there and hopefully CC can bring it out I also remember him coming off the bench against Liverpool in the Prem and having Joe Gomez on toast. I remember that, and also remember wondering why we never saw him again for weeks. That cant have done his confidence any good at all. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 2, 2020 14:57:38 GMT 1
Pritchard has been very disappointing. I was so excited when he joined but he’s just never got going. However in terms of value for money, he did slip Mounie in against West Brom to get us a vital 3 points, and scored the opener against Bournemouth that year. Those moments got us vital points that kept us up. I really can't call any of that squad a waste of money (maybe Malone). But right now he would be the one i’d be moat relieved to get off the books. Exactly, Pritchard's been very disappointing, especially since relegation in a league we know he can do well in but he's different league to these two. Very nice to be finally seeing some sort of return on them though even if in Diakhabys case it's mostly comedy value. |
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Post by schindlersmissed on Nov 2, 2020 14:59:34 GMT 1
I also remember him coming off the bench against Liverpool in the Prem and having Joe Gomez on toast. yep. was excellent in the home game against arsenal as well. First half at Stamford bridge he was excellent also |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 2, 2020 17:29:20 GMT 1
Pritchard has been very disappointing. I was so excited when he joined but he’s just never got going. However in terms of value for money, he did slip Mounie in against West Brom to get us a vital 3 points, and scored the opener against Bournemouth that year. Those moments got us vital points that kept us up. I really can't call any of that squad a waste of money (maybe Malone). But right now he would be the one i’d be moat relieved to get off the books. Exactly, Pritchard's been very disappointing, especially since relegation in a league we know he can do well in but he's different league to these two. Very nice to be finally seeing some sort of return on them though even if in Diakhabys case it's mostly comedy value. There's absolutely no evidence in what he's shown for us either through his play and certainly not statically that Pritchard is in a different league to these 2. Pritchard has had 2 good seasons in his career, the 14/15 season with Brentford and the 16/17 season with Norwich (he did only make 19 starts that season), he's 27. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 2, 2020 19:45:44 GMT 1
yep. was excellent in the home game against arsenal as well. First half at Stamford bridge he was excellent also forgot about that one. mbenza looked alright as well and then both got medium term injuries and were subbed off from what I remember? would've been generous to call it a revolving door moment for siewert though |
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Post by royrace on Nov 2, 2020 20:25:00 GMT 1
Exactly, Pritchard's been very disappointing, especially since relegation in a league we know he can do well in but he's different league to these two. Very nice to be finally seeing some sort of return on them though even if in Diakhabys case it's mostly comedy value. There's absolutely no evidence in what he's shown for us either through his play and certainly not statically that Pritchard is in a different league to these 2. Pritchard has had 2 good seasons in his career, the 14/15 season with Brentford and the 16/17 season with Norwich (he did only make 19 starts that season), he's 27. If you want evidence how about the fact the he’s probably started double the games that either of them has, probably more. Don’t get me wrong he’s been a huge disappointment but like I said different league to those two. You quote two good seasons, I’ll take your word for it but it’s still two more than d and m plus what he’s done whilst he’s been here whilst it’s been bang average at best it’s still eclipses what those two have delivered. Seems a long long time ago but he was often one of our best players in the PL, doesn’t say much granted but he was and is a level above Diakbenza. Also, very importantly and backing up my point, he still has some residual value, we can’t give those two away unfortunately. That’s why, like I said, they are different leagues of shitness  |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 2, 2020 20:58:00 GMT 1
There's absolutely no evidence in what he's shown for us either through his play and certainly not statically that Pritchard is in a different league to these 2. Pritchard has had 2 good seasons in his career, the 14/15 season with Brentford and the 16/17 season with Norwich (he did only make 19 starts that season), he's 27. If you want evidence how about the fact the he’s probably started double the games that either of them has, probably more. Don’t get me wrong he’s been a huge disappointment but like I said different league to those two. You quote two good seasons, I’ll take your word for it but it’s still two more than d and m plus what he’s done whilst he’s been here whilst it’s been bang average at best it’s still eclipses what those two have delivered. Seems a long long time ago but he was often one of our best players in the PL, doesn’t say much granted but he was and is a level above Diakbenza. Also, very importantly and backing up my point, he still has some residual value, we can’t give those two away unfortunately. That’s why, like I said, they are different leagues of shitness I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! In terms of what he's delivered since he's been here in terms of goals contributions a game he's worse. I don't know if he does have any value does he? I can't remember teams lining up to take when I'm pretty sure we'd have let go if possible considering his ridiculous wages. Pretty sure he's in his last year as well so there's no value in him. All in all there's nothing to say he's in a different league, he's been on a downward spiral for 4 years, them 2 meanwhile have got plenty of time to get better. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 2, 2020 22:25:37 GMT 1
If you want evidence how about the fact the he’s probably started double the games that either of them has, probably more. Don’t get me wrong he’s been a huge disappointment but like I said different league to those two. You quote two good seasons, I’ll take your word for it but it’s still two more than d and m plus what he’s done whilst he’s been here whilst it’s been bang average at best it’s still eclipses what those two have delivered. Seems a long long time ago but he was often one of our best players in the PL, doesn’t say much granted but he was and is a level above Diakbenza. Also, very importantly and backing up my point, he still has some residual value, we can’t give those two away unfortunately. That’s why, like I said, they are different leagues of shitness I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! In terms of what he's delivered since he's been here in terms of goals contributions a game he's worse. I don't know if he does have any value does he? I can't remember teams lining up to take when I'm pretty sure we'd have let go if possible considering his ridiculous wages. Pretty sure he's in his last year as well so there's no value in him. All in all there's nothing to say he's in a different league, he's been on a downward spiral for 4 years, them 2 meanwhile have got plenty of time to get better. If you honestly think Pritchard is only on the same level as Diakhaby, maybe forget this forum and start attending Trump rallies. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 2, 2020 22:27:48 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! In terms of what he's delivered since he's been here in terms of goals contributions a game he's worse. I don't know if he does have any value does he? I can't remember teams lining up to take when I'm pretty sure we'd have let go if possible considering his ridiculous wages. Pretty sure he's in his last year as well so there's no value in him. All in all there's nothing to say he's in a different league, he's been on a downward spiral for 4 years, them 2 meanwhile have got plenty of time to get better. If you honestly think Pritchard is only on the same level as Diakhaby, maybe forget this forum and start attending Trump rallies. Fake news😚 perhaps a vote? |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 2, 2020 22:56:43 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! In terms of what he's delivered since he's been here in terms of goals contributions a game he's worse. I don't know if he does have any value does he? I can't remember teams lining up to take when I'm pretty sure we'd have let go if possible considering his ridiculous wages. Pretty sure he's in his last year as well so there's no value in him. All in all there's nothing to say he's in a different league, he's been on a downward spiral for 4 years, them 2 meanwhile have got plenty of time to get better. If you honestly think Pritchard is only on the same level as Diakhaby, maybe forget this forum and start attending Trump rallies. Makes no sense. What have Trump rallies got to do with this forum, Pritchard and Diakhaby? Pritchard WAS a far better footballer, but it's 4 years since he had a good season and even that season he started 19 games, his last full good season was when he was at Brentford. He's been awful since he got here. Do I think either have been anywhere near good enough since they got here? No. Do I have any hope Pritchard is going to suddenly rediscover the form from 4 and 6 years ago or even get a bit better than he has since he got here? No. Do I think Diakhaby can get better than he's been since he got here? Yes. Do I think Diakhaby can contribute more goals/assists this season than Pritchard? Yes. I don't know where Pritchard gets his pedestal from, it can only be youtube because it's not from anything he's shown for us. |
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Post by leedsroadrob on Nov 2, 2020 22:56:53 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
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Post by royrace on Nov 2, 2020 23:20:56 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 2, 2020 23:28:38 GMT 1
First half at Stamford bridge he was excellent also forgot about that one. mbenza looked alright as well and then both got medium term injuries and were subbed off from what I remember? would've been generous to call it a revolving door moment for siewert thoughOnly if the door you're talking about revolved once more before he flew out of it 😁😁 |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 3, 2020 6:39:18 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
So going by that logic, you and Roy are saying that Diakhaby is as good as Pritchard this season but Mbenza is twice as good as Pritchard? |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2020 7:04:33 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
And constantly, season after season he's been shit and provided nothing except a massive drain on the finances |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Nov 3, 2020 8:15:24 GMT 1
Sometimes as fans we are guilty at looking at things one dimensionally - and treating football different to other industries.
In any line of work - you can be in the same job over a period of time but the environment and culture might be different, your own personal circumstances could fluctuate and you could have change in peers and managers.
Have you performed to the same standard and had the same level of happiness every day in your job in your career so far? Throw in to the mix being young and moving to a foreign country?
They might make lots of money but they are human beings not robots. They are susceptible to the human elements like the rest of us, loss of confidence, homesick, mental health challenges etc etc.
As someone said, clearly all have ability and talent - it’s the job of a good coach and manager to get the best out of them. I have faith CC will achieve this.
On the pitch is very positive at the moment - let’s enjoy it and back the team and all the players.
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2020 8:50:20 GMT 1
No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
So going by that logic, you and Roy are saying that Diakhaby is as good as Pritchard this season but Mbenza is twice as good as Pritchard? That's not what's being said and you know it but forget the logic for a moment. If you can't see with your own eyes that Pritchard is a far better footballer than m and d then we must be watching different games. Huge disappointment yes and I hope we can get rid but there are levels. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards |
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