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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:22:16 GMT 1
I'm not sure starting twice as many games is evidence of him being in a different league? Doesn't it just prove that he's been shit twice as much?! No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
I’m not sure being picked whilst here is a particular good judge, given the stubborn managers we’ve had and the situations that’s happened with players frozen out for non footballing reasons etc, or due to incompetent managers being put in charge, Before this season....their respective entire first team careers looked like >> Pritchard 208 first team appearances in 8 seasons = 26 games per season. Diakhaby 104 first team appearances in 4 seasons = 26 games per season. Mbenza 150 first team appearances in 6 seasons = 25 games per season. So...Pritchard has been picked as constantly throughout his career at pretty much exactly the same ratio as Diakhaby and Mbenza have. What conclusion do you draw from that?? 😂 |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 3, 2020 11:07:34 GMT 1
So going by that logic, you and Roy are saying that Diakhaby is as good as Pritchard this season but Mbenza is twice as good as Pritchard? That's not what's being said and you know it but forget the logic for a moment. If you can't see with your own eyes that Pritchard is a far better footballer than m and d then we must be watching different games. Huge disappointment yes and I hope we can get rid but there are levels. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards I'm not talking about their past though. Based on them now, you've got one player who will get the ball and run away from a defender either in circles and eventually lose it or backwards and end up in defence and 2 players that will get the ball and run forward and more often than not lose it but every once in a while create something. People said Pritchard had a good game at Birmingham, only Diakhaby lost the ball more frequently from both sides. I suppose it depends on the perception of what a good footballer is, from an attacking player I'd think a good footballer is one that creates chances and scores goals or at least gets in scoring positions. At the moment Diakhaby and Mbenza as proved in the last couple of games are more likely to do that. A good attacking player for me doesn't keep the ball an extra 3 seconds before losing it or constantly has to go backwards to keep it doing nothing creative. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 3, 2020 11:41:06 GMT 1
Realistically I doubt any of the three will get a new contract so it's just a matter of getting the best out of them until the contracts expire or someone comes in with an offer we can't refuse in January (unlikely).
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2020 12:04:12 GMT 1
That's not what's being said and you know it but forget the logic for a moment. If you can't see with your own eyes that Pritchard is a far better footballer than m and d then we must be watching different games. Huge disappointment yes and I hope we can get rid but there are levels. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards I'm not talking about their past though. Based on them now, you've got one player who will get the ball and run away from a defender either in circles and eventually lose it or backwards and end up in defence and 2 players that will get the ball and run forward and more often than not lose it but every once in a while create something. People said Pritchard had a good game at Birmingham, only Diakhaby lost the ball more frequently from both sides. I suppose it depends on the perception of what a good footballer is, from an attacking player I'd think a good footballer is one that creates chances and scores goals or at least gets in scoring positions. At the moment Diakhaby and Mbenza as proved in the last couple of games are more likely to do that. A good attacking player for me doesn't keep the ball an extra 3 seconds before losing it or constantly has to go backwards to keep it doing nothing creative. Agreed  |
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2020 12:13:15 GMT 1
No, it proves his manager has picked him almost constantly throughout his time here doesn't it? This might suggest that he's not, as some here term him, "shit", though who knows what insights they have.
However, I wonder if the managers may also have insights, perhaps derived from seeing him in training, and knowing a bit about football players, that sort of thing, which made them pick him pretty constantly for season after season? I'm torn, tbh, as to whose opinion to follow.
I’m not sure being picked whilst here is a particular good judge, given the stubborn managers we’ve had and the situations that’s happened with players frozen out for non footballing reasons etc, or due to incompetent managers being put in charge, Before this season....their respective entire first team careers looked like >> Pritchard 208 first team appearances in 8 seasons = 26 games per season. Diakhaby 104 first team appearances in 4 seasons = 26 games per season. Mbenza 150 first team appearances in 6 seasons = 25 games per season. So...Pritchard has been picked as constantly throughout his career at pretty much exactly the same ratio as Diakhaby and Mbenza have. What conclusion do you draw from that?? 😂 I conclude that your comparison is quite ridiculous and bares no resemblance to the one made by the other poster It's almost like you're just saying anything to try and back up your argument that Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballers as Pritchard. That's clearly not the case and anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge that is prepared to be objective would agree. I think someone once said its like comparing dog shit with cat shit, I'd say it's more like comparing cat shit with horse shit buy there you go. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 12:33:29 GMT 1
I’m not sure being picked whilst here is a particular good judge, given the stubborn managers we’ve had and the situations that’s happened with players frozen out for non footballing reasons etc, or due to incompetent managers being put in charge, Before this season....their respective entire first team careers looked like >> Pritchard 208 first team appearances in 8 seasons = 26 games per season. Diakhaby 104 first team appearances in 4 seasons = 26 games per season. Mbenza 150 first team appearances in 6 seasons = 25 games per season. So...Pritchard has been picked as constantly throughout his career at pretty much exactly the same ratio as Diakhaby and Mbenza have. What conclusion do you draw from that?? 😂 I conclude that your comparison is quite ridiculous and bares no resemblance to the one made by the other poster It's almost like you're just saying anything to try and back up your argument that Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballers as Pritchard. That's clearly not the case and anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge that is prepared to be objective would agree. I think someone once said its like comparing dog shit with cat shit, I'd say it's more like comparing cat shit with horse shit buy there you go. What are you on about?! Where have I suggested Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballer as Pritchard?! All I saw was someone saying, "Pritchard has been picked more regularly at Town therefore he must be a better footballer" - and pointed out that he's actually been picked pretty much as often as both Diakhaby and Mbenza when measured across their careers and questioned whether the stat was therefore an indication of who was 'better' than the other! For what its worth if you want my actual opinion I can't really compare who is better as they're very different - right here right now with this manager, system and the rest of the squad, I'd rather have Mbenza available than the other two, and rather have Pritchard than Diakhaby if that was a choice - even though there's every chance that Diakhaby could end up with most actual impact, he's also most likely to have more erratic performances in between. Additionally none of them have been particularly good value for the fees paid if we want to go down that route, but arguably Pritchard has been the LEAST value. What I like to do is judge on what I see in the here and now rather than worry about who was shit last season or earlier, and the here and now is suggesting that Mbenza and Diakhaby are more valuable to CC than Pritchard - who is a bit like a powderpuff backup version of Eiting to allow him to recover and be eased into mens football. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Nov 3, 2020 13:01:07 GMT 1
It's almost like you're just saying anything to try and back up your argument that Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballers as Pritchard. That's clearly not the case and anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge that is prepared to be objective would agree. You clearly don't rate our coach then because he's given Mbenza far more game time than Pritchard. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2020 13:30:14 GMT 1
I conclude that your comparison is quite ridiculous and bares no resemblance to the one made by the other poster It's almost like you're just saying anything to try and back up your argument that Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballers as Pritchard. That's clearly not the case and anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge that is prepared to be objective would agree. I think someone once said its like comparing dog shit with cat shit, I'd say it's more like comparing cat shit with horse shit buy there you go. What are you on about?! Where have I suggested Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballer as Pritchard?! All I saw was someone saying, "Pritchard has been picked more regularly at Town therefore he must be a better footballer" - and pointed out that he's actually been picked pretty much as often as both Diakhaby and Mbenza when measured across their careers and questioned whether the stat was therefore an indication of who was 'better' than the other! For what its worth if you want my actual opinion I can't really compare who is better as they're very different - right here right now with this manager, system and the rest of the squad, I'd rather have Mbenza available than the other two, and rather have Pritchard than Diakhaby if that was a choice - even though there's every chance that Diakhaby could end up with most actual impact, he's also most likely to have more erratic performances in between. Additionally none of them have been particularly good value for the fees paid if we want to go down that route, but arguably Pritchard has been the LEAST value. What I like to do is judge on what I see in the here and now rather than worry about who was shit last season or earlier, and the here and now is suggesting that Mbenza and Diakhaby are more valuable to CC than Pritchard - who is a bit like a powderpuff backup version of Eiting to allow him to recover and be eased into mens football. Ok, put very simply. Pritchard has been of much greater value to Huddersfield Town than tother two. Whether previous managers, at other clubs, in other leagues picked them or not is irrelevant. The previous posters point about several other town managers not fancying them IS relevant. You inferred that it wasn't, which was wrong imo, hence my reply. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 3, 2020 13:59:56 GMT 1
What are you on about?! Where have I suggested Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballer as Pritchard?! All I saw was someone saying, "Pritchard has been picked more regularly at Town therefore he must be a better footballer" - and pointed out that he's actually been picked pretty much as often as both Diakhaby and Mbenza when measured across their careers and questioned whether the stat was therefore an indication of who was 'better' than the other! For what its worth if you want my actual opinion I can't really compare who is better as they're very different - right here right now with this manager, system and the rest of the squad, I'd rather have Mbenza available than the other two, and rather have Pritchard than Diakhaby if that was a choice - even though there's every chance that Diakhaby could end up with most actual impact, he's also most likely to have more erratic performances in between. Additionally none of them have been particularly good value for the fees paid if we want to go down that route, but arguably Pritchard has been the LEAST value. What I like to do is judge on what I see in the here and now rather than worry about who was shit last season or earlier, and the here and now is suggesting that Mbenza and Diakhaby are more valuable to CC than Pritchard - who is a bit like a powderpuff backup version of Eiting to allow him to recover and be eased into mens football. Ok, put very simply. Pritchard has been of much greater value to Huddersfield Town than tother two. Whether previous managers, at other clubs, in other leagues picked them or not is irrelevant. The previous posters point about several other town managers not fancying them IS relevant. You inferred that it wasn't, which was wrong imo, hence my reply. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards Statistically considering output, no he hasn't. I'd be amazed if his wages weren't much higher as well, so value is a very poor argument. All 3 can go for nothing soon, 2 have contributed directly to more goals per game and he has cost us more so to say he's been much greater value is ridiculous. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2020 14:43:39 GMT 1
What are you on about?! Where have I suggested Diakhaby and Mbenza are as good a footballer as Pritchard?! All I saw was someone saying, "Pritchard has been picked more regularly at Town therefore he must be a better footballer" - and pointed out that he's actually been picked pretty much as often as both Diakhaby and Mbenza when measured across their careers and questioned whether the stat was therefore an indication of who was 'better' than the other! For what its worth if you want my actual opinion I can't really compare who is better as they're very different - right here right now with this manager, system and the rest of the squad, I'd rather have Mbenza available than the other two, and rather have Pritchard than Diakhaby if that was a choice - even though there's every chance that Diakhaby could end up with most actual impact, he's also most likely to have more erratic performances in between. Additionally none of them have been particularly good value for the fees paid if we want to go down that route, but arguably Pritchard has been the LEAST value. What I like to do is judge on what I see in the here and now rather than worry about who was shit last season or earlier, and the here and now is suggesting that Mbenza and Diakhaby are more valuable to CC than Pritchard - who is a bit like a powderpuff backup version of Eiting to allow him to recover and be eased into mens football. Ok, put very simply. Pritchard has been of much greater value to Huddersfield Town than tother two. Whether previous managers, at other clubs, in other leagues picked them or not is irrelevant. The previous posters point about several other town managers not fancying them IS relevant. You inferred that it wasn't, which was wrong imo, hence my reply. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards Pritchard has been of no value, pound for pound the worst transfer we've ever done and still on too much money for anyone else to want to take him off our hands. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2020 15:29:50 GMT 1
Ok, put very simply. Pritchard has been of much greater value to Huddersfield Town than tother two. Whether previous managers, at other clubs, in other leagues picked them or not is irrelevant. The previous posters point about several other town managers not fancying them IS relevant. You inferred that it wasn't, which was wrong imo, hence my reply. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards Pritchard has been of no value, pound for pound the worst transfer we've ever done and still on too much money for anyone else to want to take him off our hands. Worse than Mbenza? Sorry but that's complete bollocks ... and quite clearly dwarfist. Seriously getting bored of the same old argument but anyone who cant see that Pritchard has contributed more than those two needs to pick a different sport. |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 3, 2020 15:40:50 GMT 1
Pritchard has been of no value, pound for pound the worst transfer we've ever done and still on too much money for anyone else to want to take him off our hands. Worse than Mbenza? Sorry but that's complete bollocks ... and quite clearly dwarfist. Seriously getting bored of the same old argument but anyone who cant see that Pritchard has contributed more than those two needs to pick a different sport. Sorry Mrs Pritchard. When the biggest thing he's contributed to a club is the most bizarre long term injury excuse in their history and contributed absolutely nothing on the pitch he isn't going to be fondly remembered when he finally leaves. You keep throwing out he's obviously a better footballer or that he's contributed more, for us he hasn't, it's in black and white, you're just going off his previous reputation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 17:58:58 GMT 1
Pritchard has been of no value, pound for pound the worst transfer we've ever done and still on too much money for anyone else to want to take him off our hands. Worse than Mbenza? Sorry but that's complete bollocks ... and quite clearly dwarfist. Seriously getting bored of the same old argument but anyone who cant see that Pritchard has contributed more than those two needs to pick a different sport. Do you think Pritchard has contributed 3x what Mbenza has in absolute terms, as thats about what he should have in order to be considered better 'value'. Considering 2018 season onwards, Pritchard has scored 2 goals and 1 assist (56 games) So has Mbenza (39 games) Diakhaby has 3 assists (38 games) So they're all pretty much the same in real contribution terms, except Pritchard has taken considerably longer to be involved in three goals than Isaac and Adama have, anyone blindly suggesting he's contributed more has clearly lost their marbles - and you don't need the stats to back that up, its obvious by simply WATCHING us play. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 18:10:57 GMT 1
Realistically I doubt any of the three will get a new contract so it's just a matter of getting the best out of them until the contracts expire or someone comes in with an offer we can't refuse in January (unlikely).
Sadly true,, and I can see both Diakhaby and Mbenza improving under CC and getting good contracts and going elsewhere even if we wanted to keep them.
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2020 18:21:39 GMT 1
Worse than Mbenza? Sorry but that's complete bollocks ... and quite clearly dwarfist. Seriously getting bored of the same old argument but anyone who cant see that Pritchard has contributed more than those two needs to pick a different sport. Do you think Pritchard has contributed 3x what Mbenza has in absolute terms, as thats about what he should have in order to be considered better 'value'. Considering 2018 season onwards, Pritchard has scored 2 goals and 1 assist (56 games) So has Mbenza (39 games) Diakhaby has 3 assists (38 games) So they're all pretty much the same in real contribution terms, except Pritchard has taken considerably longer to be involved in three goals than Isaac and Adama have, anyone blindly suggesting he's contributed more has clearly lost their marbles - and you don't need the stats to back that up, its obvious by simply WATCHING us play. Ah, the old goals and assists argument Your stats are again meaningless but you're right you don't need stats anyway. It's obvious by watching us play as you say. You must be a much better judge of player than Wagner, Siewart, Cowley and Corberan not to mention the football professionals that were involved in making moves to sign him in the last window. I could list reasons why Pritchard is the better player and has brought more to the party than those two all day long but to highlight it in simple terms there are a number of championship teams that would be happy to take Pritchard (ignoring his ridiculous wage). No championship team would touch D and M with a barge pole. All those other coaches and scouts must be as misguided as me I guess. Anyway I'm bored of talking about Pritchard now (injured yet again  ), I'm far from a fan myself but he's a class above the speed twins. Lets just agree to disagree Hopefully they can continue their rich vein of form tonight and we might see a cross or two or some good tracking back. |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 3, 2020 18:33:55 GMT 1
Do you think Pritchard has contributed 3x what Mbenza has in absolute terms, as thats about what he should have in order to be considered better 'value'. Considering 2018 season onwards, Pritchard has scored 2 goals and 1 assist (56 games) So has Mbenza (39 games) Diakhaby has 3 assists (38 games) So they're all pretty much the same in real contribution terms, except Pritchard has taken considerably longer to be involved in three goals than Isaac and Adama have, anyone blindly suggesting he's contributed more has clearly lost their marbles - and you don't need the stats to back that up, its obvious by simply WATCHING us play. Ah, the old goals and assists argument Your stats are again meaningless but you're right you don't need stats anyway. It's obvious by watching us play as you say. You must be a much better judge of player than Wagner, Siewart, Cowley and Corberan not to mention the football professionals that were involved in making moves to sign him in the last window. I could list reasons why Pritchard is the better player and has brought more to the party than those two all day long but to highlight it in simple terms there are a number of championship teams that would be happy to take Pritchard (ignoring his ridiculous wage). No championship team would touch D and M with a barge pole. All those other coaches and scouts must be as misguided as me I guess. Anyway I'm bored of talking about Pritchard now (injured yet again ), I'm far from a fan myself but he's a class above the speed twins. Lets just agree to disagree Hopefully they can continue their rich vein of form tonight and we might see a cross or two or some good tracking back. Absolutely no evidence there's a "number of Championship teams" that would take Pritchard. If there was he'd have been gone in the window to get him off the wage bill. Even Forest, who of course did take one of the "twins" as you put them. |
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Post by sheps on Nov 3, 2020 20:45:12 GMT 1
great assist that....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 20:59:05 GMT 1
If Mbenza were a car, he'd be a Mercedes Benz
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 21:00:31 GMT 1
Benny starting to show what he can do now. Class touch from Campbell
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Post by zoso on Nov 3, 2020 21:01:20 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2020 22:23:14 GMT 1
Honestly, the leaving them dead for pace and the inch perfect cross, I almost thought it was Pritchard 😉
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2020 13:54:40 GMT 1
And the mistake for the goal? How did Diakhaby get on?
I'm pleased he got an assist, has a good cross on him. Still irrelevant to the Pritchard comparison though.
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Post by Amigo on Nov 4, 2020 14:26:23 GMT 1
And the mistake for the goal? How did Diakhaby get on? I'm pleased he got an assist, has a good cross on him. Still irrelevant to the Pritchard comparison though. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards Of course it's irrelevant because it doesn't suit your "argument". |
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2020 15:10:42 GMT 1
And the mistake for the goal? How did Diakhaby get on? I'm pleased he got an assist, has a good cross on him. Still irrelevant to the Pritchard comparison though. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards Of course it's irrelevant because it doesn't suit your "argument". LOL. So Mbenza getting an assist in a game we lose and he also makes a mistake costing a goal IS relevant to the debate?! Just a reminder that the debate is that Pritchard has contributed more to HTAFC than D+M, he is a better player and he has more monetary value. How the fk is one good cross relevant?! If he sets the division alight, scores 10 and gets 10 assists it might become relevant but we know that aint gonna happen (well some of us do). Anyway this shit vs shit debate is getting very boring |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 4, 2020 15:43:51 GMT 1
Of course it's irrelevant because it doesn't suit your "argument". LOL. So Mbenza getting an assist in a game we lose and he also makes a mistake costing a goal IS relevant to the debate?! Just a reminder that the debate is that Pritchard has contributed more to HTAFC than D+M, he is a better player and he has more monetary value. How the fk is one good cross relevant?! If he sets the division alight, scores 10 and gets 10 assists it might become relevant but we know that aint gonna happen (well some of us do). Anyway this shit vs shit debate is getting very boring He hasn't shown us that he's a better player. He doesn't have more monetary value at all. I can't remember a good cross from Pritchard so yes it is relevant. Why does he need to score 10 and assist 10 when Pritchard hasn't done a fifth of that since he got here years ago? Makes no sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 11:14:58 GMT 1
This is all rapidly heading towards Phil Billing territory where someone has decided something that is patently incorrect and stubbornly sticks with it despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary!
Happens all the time, for some inexplicable reason we get stuck hard black or white when discussing football, when it rarely is.
Reference historic discussion where Sean Scannell and Donal McDermott were instantly declared as the best thing since sliced bread, before they'd even been seen in a Town shirt...within 3 games you could see both were decidedly average (worse than that with Donal!) and would never really shine, but lines had been drawn and posters simply wouldn't change their view despite the obvious evidence available to anyone who actually watched them play!
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Post by schindlersmissed on Nov 5, 2020 13:21:24 GMT 1
Pritchard has been of no value, pound for pound the worst transfer we've ever done and still on too much money for anyone else to want to take him off our hands. Worse than Mbenza? Sorry but that's complete bollocks ... and quite clearly dwarfist. Seriously getting bored of the same old argument but anyone who cant see that Pritchard has contributed more than those two needs to pick a different sport. Agreed that Pritch is significantly better than Diambenza |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 5, 2020 13:36:47 GMT 1
Worse than Mbenza? Sorry but that's complete bollocks ... and quite clearly dwarfist. Seriously getting bored of the same old argument but anyone who cant see that Pritchard has contributed more than those two needs to pick a different sport. Agreed that Pritch is significantly better than Diambenza 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Ross83 on Nov 5, 2020 13:51:27 GMT 1
Unfair to even associate Mbenza with Diakhaby now for me.
Having seen what we have of all three and IF it meant we'd have replacements this time I'd happily see Diakhaby and Pritchard leave.
Mbenza has knuckled down incredibly, that vibe was evident from the recent press conference. Sounds like CC really rates him too.
Its been great to see him prove us all wrong. He's never tracked back, even under Wagner. He'd now look comfortable at RWB. Tireless performances lately, some good crosses coming in from him and looks like he's reaped the benefits and confidence with his goal and assist. Different player.
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Post by dm on Nov 5, 2020 14:18:16 GMT 1
Unfair to even associate Mbenza with Diakhaby now for me.Having seen what we have of all three and IF it meant we'd have replacements this time I'd happily see Diakhaby and Pritchard leave. Mbenza has knuckled down incredibly, that vibe was evident from the recent press conference. Sounds like CC really rates him too. Its been great to see him prove us all wrong. He's never tracked back, even under Wagner. He'd now look comfortable at RWB. Tireless performances lately, some good crosses coming in from him and looks like he's reaped the benefits and confidence with his goal and assist. Different player. I always thought so tbf. You can see a player is lurking within IM and he is starting to show that now. He definitely has always had crossing ability, just no teammates in the box. In Diakhaby's time at Town however, he has often looked like his legs are on back-to-front. |
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