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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 17:59:08 GMT 1
It wouldn't survive and wont happen for the reasons you've outlined. The elite clubs love having at as a bargaining chip to negotiate more money and power for themselves within the existing structure though.They will be delighted it's getting debated again. Not sure it is a bargaining chip though. Most Clubs (particularly those who might replace them as the "new elite" are probably happy to see them go. Certainly fans would be if the comments on here are representative of other forums. Most fans don’t own football clubs that would collapse under a devalued TV deal. Would be amazed if a Premier League without the top six was able to attract and pay out more than £50m per team (which is loads, but not when you’re entire viability has been built on making not much profit off the back of an annual £100m giveaway) |
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 4, 2018 19:03:49 GMT 1
Not sure why AC Milan are in there they have been a mid table side for years now. Me, too. Wish they would bugger off. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 19:24:47 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 6, 2018 10:43:02 GMT 1
That's a shame - I thought we might have got rid of this lot. Tweet from Henry Winter:  |
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Post by philincalifornia on Nov 6, 2018 13:35:38 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 14:25:01 GMT 1
Yeah, whilst I am sure English football could cope without the big 5/6 teams, it would never be the same and would never attract the foreign stars or big money TV contracts. It would be less Premier League and more a Championship + league.
Do you think when the FA Cup 3rd round draw comes around, those teams in League 1/2 will be hoping for trips to Bournemouth, West Ham or Leicester, no chance. We need the United's, Liverpool's and Arsenal's.
I think it is inevitable that some sort of closed shop European competition will happen, but never at the expense of our National Leagues. Maybe a 16 team Super League where they all play each other once, like the Rugby Six Nations (United play Juventus at home one season and away the next etc). The big teams come out of the League cup, no more FA Cup replays and that frees up enough midweek matchdays for it to happen.
On the City thing, is anyone surprised at what they did to get around FFP. Was just a daft idea to start with when it comes to teams like City and PSG.
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Post by yappledapple on Nov 6, 2018 18:49:24 GMT 1
Couple of articles from today’s Telegraph. One is the follow up of City’s FFP shenanigans but the second one takes a slightly different tack and looks at the disparity in the PL between the big 6 and their manipulation of the system to ensure another Leicester never happens...   |
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Post by faffa on Nov 8, 2018 1:15:02 GMT 1
Just reading the figures really puts things into perspective over 1 billion spent in just over 10 years. How on earth are we expected to compete.
But we do UTT
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Post by snoopy on Nov 8, 2018 2:13:51 GMT 1
Just reading the figures really puts things into perspective over 1 billion spent in just over 10 years. How on earth are we expected to compete. But we do UTT You make it sound a lot, but at current tv prize money, we would have spent £1 billion in 10 years (assuming we stay in the premier league of course) |
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Post by faffa on Nov 8, 2018 3:58:02 GMT 1
Just reading the figures really puts things into perspective over 1 billion spent in just over 10 years. How on earth are we expected to compete. But we do UTT You make it sound a lot, but at current tv prize money, we would have spent £1 billion in 10 years (assuming we stay in the premier league of course) My apologies I hadn’t anticipated us spending 1000 million to be honest over the next 10 years but figures are getting out of hand. DH won’t be at the helm if we are |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Nov 8, 2018 7:42:17 GMT 1
It'll be to replace the current champions league format. Who wants to watch dross like CSKA Moscow vs Viktoria Pilzen.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 8, 2018 7:47:29 GMT 1
Not sure it is a bargaining chip though. Most Clubs (particularly those who might replace them as the "new elite" are probably happy to see them go. Certainly fans would be if the comments on here are representative of other forums. Most fans don’t own football clubs that would collapse under a devalued TV deal. Would be amazed if a Premier League without the top six was able to attract and pay out more than £50m per team (which is loads, but not when you’re entire viability has been built on making not much profit off the back of an annual £100m giveaway) I expect the clubs would adjust. Player contracts would be renegotiated, which would of course flush out the mercenaries in the game. Agents would fuck off because they can't make easy money on the coat tails of the talent. Some clubs would readjust quicker, Town probably in that bracket. As for losing the glamour fixtures? Well, for seasoned PL supporters maybe, but for us lot, it's still just a moment in the sunshine. I think we'd still get good crowds and have some good rivalries with what are still big clubs. We've been dazzled by the marketing and the merchandise for too long... |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Nov 8, 2018 8:01:23 GMT 1
Leeds and Villa set to miss out.
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Post by k1man999 on Nov 8, 2018 8:15:33 GMT 1
For me if the greedy clubs want to leave the domestic league then goodbye.
The big 6 have ruined football anyway.
I think the domestic league would flourish better and as for the super league first couple of seasons might interest some but it will soon loose it's appeal.
It's just a money making exercise no thought for the good of the overall game.
I'd have no interest I don't watch champions league it's mostly boring.
Once the domestic leagues re ajust it could be back to football as we used to know it competitive throughout the competitions
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 8, 2018 8:25:30 GMT 1
A super league wouldn't be very attractive if you are not in the top 3 of 4. Imagine being a club who every season have nothing to play for.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 8, 2018 8:28:21 GMT 1
Couple of articles from today’s Telegraph. One is the follow up of City’s FFP shenanigans but the second one takes a slightly different tack and looks at the disparity in the PL between the big 6 and their manipulation of the system to ensure another Leicester never happens... The PL's attempts (& relative successes) in controlling the FL is the one thing that I despise the FA for. They cite grass roots football but let these clubs make up the rules in their favour. The PL is an autocracy in reality. |
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Post by pdhtafc on Nov 8, 2018 13:22:24 GMT 1
It'll be to replace the current champions league format. Who wants to watch dross like CSKA Moscow vs Viktoria Pilzen. That, my friend, is a very dangerous statement. It's just like these "fans" who say, "Who wants to watch dross like Huddersfield vs Cardiff....... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 13:40:56 GMT 1
A super league wouldn't be very attractive if you are not in the top 3 of 4. Imagine being a club who every season have nothing to play for. They would break away and form a galaxy league.
Either that or form an elite super duper league of the top 6 in Europe, then 4 then just end up with 2 clubs constantly playing each other in a purpose built stadium in the middle east consisting of nothing but executive boxes
They are slowly killing themselves with their wish to buy every player and eliminate competition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 13:44:11 GMT 1
Most fans don’t own football clubs that would collapse under a devalued TV deal. Would be amazed if a Premier League without the top six was able to attract and pay out more than £50m per team (which is loads, but not when you’re entire viability has been built on making not much profit off the back of an annual £100m giveaway) I expect the clubs would adjust. Player contracts would be renegotiated, which would of course flush out the mercenaries in the game. Agents would fuck off because they can't make easy money on the coat tails of the talent. Some clubs would readjust quicker, Town probably in that bracket. As for losing the glamour fixtures? Well, for seasoned PL supporters maybe, but for us lot, it's still just a moment in the sunshine. I think we'd still get good crowds and have some good rivalries with what are still big clubs. We've been dazzled by the marketing and the merchandise for too long... I personally look forward to the games within the relegation mini league more than the games v top six. |
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Post by snoopy on Nov 8, 2018 13:47:25 GMT 1
You make it sound a lot, but at current tv prize money, we would have spent £1 billion in 10 years (assuming we stay in the premier league of course) My apologies I hadn’t anticipated us spending 1000 million to be honest over the next 10 years but figures are getting out of hand. DH won’t be at the helm if we are By the end of this season we would have spent at least £200 million in the last 2 seasons, on tread that would be £1000 million in 10 years. Why wouldn't DH be around? |
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Post by Galpharmer on Nov 8, 2018 14:04:47 GMT 1
It's fuck all to do with us,were light years from it,at least we might score the odd goal if the top 6 or 15 fucked off Mr negative. Imagine the Millbridge plane to Milan. Take off from Yeadon, stop at Lutterworth, then on to Italy. Captain moaning about the young kids leaving shit under their seats. Yellow bird at 30,000ft, landing at Rotherham on the way back even though nobody wants to go. What's not to like. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Nov 8, 2018 14:19:34 GMT 1
You really think they will give a shit about away fans? Our leagues are the only leagues where decent away following travel. And maybe in Germany. La liga other week 50 real Madrid fans at Barcelona shocking turn out.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 8, 2018 14:55:20 GMT 1
A super league wouldn't be very attractive if you are not in the top 3 of 4. Imagine being a club who every season have nothing to play for. They would break away and form a galaxy league.
Either that or form an elite super duper league of the top 6 in Europe, then 4 then just end up with 2 clubs constantly playing each other in a purpose built stadium in the middle east consisting of nothing but executive boxes
They are slowly killing themselves with their wish to buy every player and eliminate competition.
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Post by impact on Nov 8, 2018 15:17:23 GMT 1
My apologies I hadn’t anticipated us spending 1000 million to be honest over the next 10 years but figures are getting out of hand. DH won’t be at the helm if we are By the end of this season we would have spent at least £200 million in the last 2 seasons, on tread that would be £1000 million in 10 years. Why wouldn't DH be around? I think your figures are a fair bit out. |
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Post by woodyaus on Nov 8, 2018 15:32:51 GMT 1
Having a top level euro wide league makes a lot of sense. But no relegation is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. The last half of the season would be filled with pointless matches. But a league of the best teams playing each other week in week out, more even top divisions across Europe and the chance to see a team like Man U relegated has my full support. What's not to like?
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Post by snoopy on Nov 8, 2018 16:23:01 GMT 1
By the end of this season we would have spent at least £200 million in the last 2 seasons, on tread that would be £1000 million in 10 years. Why wouldn't DH be around? I think your figures are a fair bit out. last season was £50/£60m on players, £30/40m on wages, £5/10m on developments to ground |
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Post by impact on Nov 8, 2018 16:32:08 GMT 1
I think your figures are a fair bit out. last season was £50/£60m on players, £30/40m on wages, £5/10m on developments to ground Pretty sure he was on about transfers. The figure will be well over that with extras added. |
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Post by townrwe on Nov 8, 2018 16:41:19 GMT 1
To get this through, You would have to take all the premier leagues across Europe and make them a closed shop, first and foremost. Then make an amalgamated pyramid league based on current fifa co-ifficents. Then populate 10+ leagues based on those. Split the TV money so that league 10 clubs make considerably more money than a bottom end premier league club..... Then and only then would a european superleague work, proper promotions and relegation. Bottom say 5 club has to re-aply for its position in the league, which can be given to anyone making waves in their home nation leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 17:21:15 GMT 1
Having a top level euro wide league makes a lot of sense. But no relegation is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. The last half of the season would be filled with pointless matches. But a league of the best teams playing each other week in week out, more even top divisions across Europe and the chance to see a team like Man U relegated has my full support. What's not to like? Relegation couldn't work. If Man u were relegated Bournemouth could be in because they were top of the rest in England. or would Lokomotiv Plovdiv or whichever country came last. It would be a closed shop, possibly with application for re-election, and replacement chosen by UEFA committee
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Post by Headless Chicken on Nov 9, 2018 8:20:23 GMT 1
It'll be to replace the current champions league format. Who wants to watch dross like CSKA Moscow vs Viktoria Pilzen. Hope you don't complain if anyone outside Huddersfield moans about Huddersfield v Fulham, etc. being an EPL fixture. |
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