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Post by terriers321 on Nov 6, 2018 22:18:20 GMT 1
Billing has been a revelation this season... imagine being Otium and refusing to enjoy this young player’s breakthrough season. A joy to watch at times, and maturing in to the role. Imagine we paid 20 million for him in the summer i think we might have all thought money well spent? I wouldn’t. He is an interesting talking point. I have often said I probably do use him as a bit of a scapegoat at times. Il pick up on his mistakes where as some other players I’m not so harsh on. That’s more so in reaction to people who think he’s a lot better than he actually is. But come on. If we signed a random 20 million central midfielder from the French league for instance. And he had put in like for like performances that Billing has done you would honestly think that would of been money well spent? Pull the other one.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 6, 2018 22:19:34 GMT 1
Big example last night of how much stronger he looks for me, last season he would of gone off after that knock he got. Has impressed even Nick this season.
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Post by ritchie on Nov 6, 2018 22:22:20 GMT 1
It has been a long time since I have posted but feel I want to add to this. Me and 4 of my best friends have a whatsapp group and all 4 of them say Billing is our best player this season, I always go back with the what does he do to affect the outcome of the game in a struggling team I think this could be said for our entire team but I really don’t see what all the fuss is about and I would always pick Danny Williams in front of him. He reminds me of Tom Huddlestone who flattered to deceive and I think because you are naturally drawn to him and he is in the main neat and tidy but he certainly doesn’t deserve the lofty praise. It appears I am very much in the minority. No, you are just not in the "Emperors new clothes" camp. Perhaps he is not as bad as i make out...but i am 100% certain he is nowhere near as good as the blue-blinkered crowd on here make out. He played in 16 matches last season and i recall one decent performance. 27 matches and been on the winning side twice. Always shagged at the end of games...always way out of position when the opposition score or sometimes at fault. Booked regularly as he is so clumsy. Falls over a lot, poor at heading. Yes, there is the great backlift that scored two screamers and once a match maybe a 40 yard pass but where is he bombing back, bombing forward, where are the goals? Wonder why he is not in the Denmark team? No one is calling him laudrup. Most folk are just happy to see a youngster coming through, developing and playing well at the top level of english football. Yes some of it is ott, and hes got plenty to improve, but he looks to have it in him. You made yourself look a bit daft and are now backpeddling. Lets not just suddenly raise the bar of what is expected of him. If you expect him to be constantly bombing forward and backwards knocking goals in as a 22year old playing in a ridged lower PL team then you are asking a lot
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Post by shatterrier on Nov 6, 2018 22:23:12 GMT 1
Imagine we paid 20 million for him in the summer i think we might have all thought money well spent? This is one post i am going to save!!!!! James (Otium) Bond v Phil (Marmite) Billing. Think I'll save it too
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Nov 6, 2018 22:23:18 GMT 1
Big example last night of how much stronger he looks for me, last season he would of gone off after that knock he got. Has impressed even Nick this season. I was surprised he stayed on. A couple of players gave him a friendly pat as though they were expecting him to go off. Glad he battled through the injury and pain though as he is a very important player in the town team these days.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 6, 2018 22:23:22 GMT 1
Imagine we paid 20 million for him in the summer i think we might have all thought money well spent? I wouldn’t. He is an interesting talking point. I have often said I probably do use him as a bit of a scapegoat at times. Il pick up on his mistakes where as some other players I’m not so harsh on. That’s more so in reaction to people who think he’s a lot better than he actually is. But come on. If we signed a random 20 million central midfielder from the French league for instance. And he had put in like for like performances that Billing has done you would honestly think that would of been money well spent? Pull the other one. Values of players is ridiculous . Look at how much In pound sterling terms the Fulham midfield is worth . Although I can scarcely believe I’m saying this , at current market values Billing will be worth into the teens of millions if he sustains his current level of performance . Look at what 10m buys you these days ( using Town as an example ) not very much
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 6, 2018 22:31:37 GMT 1
Imagine we paid 20 million for him in the summer i think we might have all thought money well spent? This is one post i am going to save!!! Yep its a lossl
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 6, 2018 22:34:27 GMT 1
Imagine we paid 20 million for him in the summer i think we might have all thought money well spent? I wouldn’t. He is an interesting talking point. I have often said I probably do use him as a bit of a scapegoat at times. Il pick up on his mistakes where as some other players I’m not so harsh on. That’s more so in reaction to people who think he’s a lot better than he actually is. But come on. If we signed a random 20 million central midfielder from the French league for instance. And he had put in like for like performances that Billing has done you would honestly think that would of been money well spent? Pull the other one. I understand your reservations, but hes young and developing with every game, in the toughest league in the world. Which Fulham player played better?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 23:28:24 GMT 1
It has been a long time since I have posted but feel I want to add to this. Me and 4 of my best friends have a whatsapp group and all 4 of them say Billing is our best player this season, I always go back with the what does he do to affect the outcome of the game in a struggling team I think this could be said for our entire team but I really don’t see what all the fuss is about and I would always pick Danny Williams in front of him. He reminds me of Tom Huddlestone who flattered to deceive and I think because you are naturally drawn to him and he is in the main neat and tidy but he certainly doesn’t deserve the lofty praise. It appears I am very much in the minority. No, you are just not in the "Emperors new clothes" camp. Perhaps he is not as bad as i make out...but i am 100% certain he is nowhere near as good as the blue-blinkered crowd on here make out. He played in 16 matches last season and i recall one decent performance. 27 matches and been on the winning side twice. Always shagged at the end of games...always way out of position when the opposition score or sometimes at fault. Booked regularly as he is so clumsy. Falls over a lot, poor at heading. Yes, there is the great backlift that scored two screamers and once a match maybe a 40 yard pass but where is he bombing back, bombing forward, where are the goals? Wonder why he is not in the Denmark team? See this is your problem, there's no issue with not rating Billing at all, its the fact that you back it up with stats that are factually incorrect. According to premierleague.com Billing has played 27 premier league games and been on the winning side 5 times. That's half of our total wins in the premier league by the way. Poor at heading - in his 27 matches premierleague.com have him winning 55 out of 78 aerial duels. As a "maths man" you'll realise this equates to 70.5% in his favour.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Nov 6, 2018 23:43:11 GMT 1
It has been a long time since I have posted but feel I want to add to this. Me and 4 of my best friends have a whatsapp group and all 4 of them say Billing is our best player this season, I always go back with the what does he do to affect the outcome of the game in a struggling team I think this could be said for our entire team but I really don’t see what all the fuss is about and I would always pick Danny Williams in front of him. He reminds me of Tom Huddlestone who flattered to deceive and I think because you are naturally drawn to him and he is in the main neat and tidy but he certainly doesn’t deserve the lofty praise. It appears I am very much in the minority. Williams would challenge him for a place, but he keeps tripping over his massive wang and getting injured.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 6, 2018 23:46:58 GMT 1
No, you are just not in the "Emperors new clothes" camp. Perhaps he is not as bad as i make out...but i am 100% certain he is nowhere near as good as the blue-blinkered crowd on here make out. He played in 16 matches last season and i recall one decent performance. 27 matches and been on the winning side twice. Always shagged at the end of games...always way out of position when the opposition score or sometimes at fault. Booked regularly as he is so clumsy. Falls over a lot, poor at heading. Yes, there is the great backlift that scored two screamers and once a match maybe a 40 yard pass but where is he bombing back, bombing forward, where are the goals? Wonder why he is not in the Denmark team? See this is your problem, there's no issue with not rating Billing at all, its the fact that you back it up with stats that are factually incorrect. According to premierleague.com Billing has played 27 premier league games and been on the winning side 5 times. That's half of our total wins in the premier league by the way. Poor at heading - in his 27 matches premierleague.com have him winning 55 out of 78 aerial duels. As a "maths man" you'll realise this equates to 70.5% in his favour. Yeah, but Oti's a pragmatist & a mathematician, which I guess in his world means only his stats and maths count? Facts are just so off trend...
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 6, 2018 23:52:54 GMT 1
No, you are just not in the "Emperors new clothes" camp. Perhaps he is not as bad as i make out...but i am 100% certain he is nowhere near as good as the blue-blinkered crowd on here make out. He played in 16 matches last season and i recall one decent performance. 27 matches and been on the winning side twice. Always shagged at the end of games...always way out of position when the opposition score or sometimes at fault. Booked regularly as he is so clumsy. Falls over a lot, poor at heading. Yes, there is the great backlift that scored two screamers and once a match maybe a 40 yard pass but where is he bombing back, bombing forward, where are the goals? Wonder why he is not in the Denmark team? See this is your problem, there's no issue with not rating Billing at all, its the fact that you back it up with stats that are factually incorrect. According to premierleague.com Billing has played 27 premier league games and been on the winning side 5 times. That's half of our total wins in the premier league by the way. Poor at heading - in his 27 matches premierleague.com have him winning 55 out of 78 aerial duels. As a "maths man" you'll realise this equates to 70.5% in his favour. The stats are wrong. Are they counting when he should be in an aerial duel but does nothing? Find a guy who has won 30% of his aerial duels...you wont.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 0:15:42 GMT 1
See this is your problem, there's no issue with not rating Billing at all, its the fact that you back it up with stats that are factually incorrect. According to premierleague.com Billing has played 27 premier league games and been on the winning side 5 times. That's half of our total wins in the premier league by the way. Poor at heading - in his 27 matches premierleague.com have him winning 55 out of 78 aerial duels. As a "maths man" you'll realise this equates to 70.5% in his favour. The stats are wrong. Are they counting when he should be in an aerial duel but does nothing? Find a guy who has won 30% of his aerial duels...you wont. The stats are wrong, so has he been on the winning side 2 times or 5?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 7, 2018 0:26:27 GMT 1
The stats are wrong. Are they counting when he should be in an aerial duel but does nothing? Find a guy who has won 30% of his aerial duels...you wont. The stats are wrong, so has he been on the winning side 2 times or 5? Which 5 wiener?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 0:32:13 GMT 1
The stats are wrong, so has he been on the winning side 2 times or 5? Which 5 wiener? Well let's see off the top off the top of my head he started our first two matches last season, of which we won both, add that to last night, does that equal two? Or does that equal more than two? You tell me Mr Maths...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 2:58:08 GMT 1
Even if Danny Williams was (ever) fit there’s no way he’d take PB’s shirt. Why would we put a proven championship midfielder in ahead of a proven premier league one?
He’d be back up for Hogg if anyone but on Mondays form he won’t be getting replaced anytime either.
Williams had one great game for us against United. Case of a player being better when out of the team, or maybe some people just can’t see Phil Bill’s blatant class. Didn’t anyone see his run at Burnley? Or last night? This guy glides away from defenders. He instinctively knows where to run and beats people with his body feints.The more he plays the better he gets. He is now starting to turn his talent, physique and understanding of the game into significant impact on the pitch-goals, assists and defence- the complete modern premier league midfielder. I think he will continue to do this even more in our great escape season. Beat flaky West Ham on Saturday and we’re seriously on our way to another glorious season at the top.
And if all that does happen we’ll be turning down £20M bids for PB in the summer.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 7, 2018 7:32:50 GMT 1
At the rate he's improving we will have no chance of keeping hold of him next summer whether we stay up or not
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Post by Metch on Nov 7, 2018 8:15:57 GMT 1
At the rate he's improving we will have no chance of keeping hold of him next summer whether we stay up or not If we put him up for sale in Jan with a 20M price tag, i'm pretty confident we'd find a few buyers willing to pay it despite what our resident knob says.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 7, 2018 9:21:48 GMT 1
At the rate he's improving we will have no chance of keeping hold of him next summer whether we stay up or not If we put him up for sale in Jan with a 20M price tag, i'm pretty confident we'd find a few buyers willing to pay it despite what our resident knob says. Must be worth that, he will only improve, thats nothing these days.
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Post by herby57 on Nov 7, 2018 10:23:43 GMT 1
The stats are wrong, so has he been on the winning side 2 times or 5? Which 5 wiener? Often quotes stats to support his arguments but when they don't they're wrong or irrelevant. Like arguing with an 8yr old.
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 7, 2018 10:33:18 GMT 1
His influence is often overlooked because the lack of end result is down to other player's failures.
He's put some of the best crosses in to the box and played two fantastic through balls to Flo and Isaacs on Monday.
He is also one of very few in our side who had the vision and ability to switch play from one side of the field to the other and find his man.
And I think he's hit the woodwork twice this season as well as his goal.
I often look at opposition forums after a game and very rarely do they fail to mention how impressed they were with him. Was certain head and shoulders above Fulham's multi £M midfielders (in more ways than one)
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 7, 2018 11:08:58 GMT 1
Well let's see off the top off the top of my head he started our first two matches last season, of which we won both, add that to last night, does that equal two? Or does that equal more than two? You tell me Mr Maths... Give us the five...dont be a spoilsport.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 15:03:59 GMT 1
Well let's see off the top off the top of my head he started our first two matches last season, of which we won both, add that to last night, does that equal two? Or does that equal more than two? You tell me Mr Maths... Give us the five...dont be a spoilsport. Palace away Newcastle home Bournemouth home Watford home Fulham home
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 7, 2018 15:08:23 GMT 1
Give us the five...dont be a spoilsport. Palace away Newcastle home Bournemouth home Watford home Fulham home Ah, the big matches then.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 7, 2018 15:19:32 GMT 1
Palace we caught cold....they were worth a draw and did not score for 7 matches. Billing average. Newcastle were worth a draw...another early game with nothing in it. Billing bang average. Bournemouth...deserved but never a 4-1. Billing came on for Mooy 11 minutes left to defend the lead. Watford ...a deserved win with a 96th min goal. Billing on for 13 minutes at the end...another top show that no-one saw. Fulham. You wont see a poorer permforance away this season. Billing less than average. So he has started in 3 wins. I was at 4 of those games. One sometimes has to look a little more closely. When we beat Man Utd 3-0 on Boxing Day and Billing is man-of-the-match with a brace i might take note......until then he is dead weight.
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Post by k1man999 on Nov 7, 2018 15:27:24 GMT 1
His influence is often overlooked because the lack of end result is down to other player's failures. He's put some of the best crosses in to the box and played two fantastic through balls to Flo and Isaacs on Monday. He is also one of very few in our side who had the vision and ability to switch play from one side of the field to the other and find his man. And I think he's hit the woodwork twice this season as well as his goal. I often look at opposition forums after a game and very rarely do they fail to mention how impressed they were with him. Was certain head and shoulders above Fulham's multi £M midfielders (in more ways than one) I think that's a fair and balanced way of rating players by what the opposition say they don't have the blue n white specs on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 15:31:52 GMT 1
Palace we caught cold....they were worth a draw and did not score for 7 matches. Billing average. Newcastle were worth a draw...another early game with nothing in it. Billing bang average. Bournemouth...deserved but never a 4-1. Billing came on for Mooy 11 minutes left to defend the lead. Watford ...a deserved win with a 96th min goal. Billing on for 13 minutes at the end...another top show that no-one saw. Fulham. You wont see a poorer permforance away this season. Billing less than average. So he has started in 3 wins. I was at 4 of those games. One sometimes has to look a little more closely. When we beat Man Utd 3-0 on Boxing Day and Billing is man-of-the-match with a brace i might take note......until then he is dead weight. If you're going to quote 27 appearances then victories coming off then bench would also count. So let's look at it this way. 19 starts, 3 wins. Those 19 starts include the following games so this may skew the lack of victories somewhat. Liverpool Man Utd Chelsea Chelsea Man City Spurs Liverpool In starts not including the elite of European football his record is as follows Starts 12 Wins 3 Draws 4 Losses 5 Points 13
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 7, 2018 19:13:48 GMT 1
Palace we caught cold....they were worth a draw and did not score for 7 matches. Billing average. Newcastle were worth a draw...another early game with nothing in it. Billing bang average. Bournemouth...deserved but never a 4-1. Billing came on for Mooy 11 minutes left to defend the lead. Watford ...a deserved win with a 96th min goal. Billing on for 13 minutes at the end...another top show that no-one saw. Fulham. You wont see a poorer permforance away this season. Billing less than average. So he has started in 3 wins. I was at 4 of those games. One sometimes has to look a little more closely. When we beat Man Utd 3-0 on Boxing Day and Billing is man-of-the-match with a brace i might take note......until then he is dead weight. You're always undermining ANY Town success - What, if anything, do you enjoy about supporting Town? And I guarantee they'll be worse away performances this season, ours at Man City for example.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 7, 2018 19:27:41 GMT 1
Palace we caught cold....they were worth a draw and did not score for 7 matches. Billing average. Newcastle were worth a draw...another early game with nothing in it. Billing bang average. Bournemouth...deserved but never a 4-1. Billing came on for Mooy 11 minutes left to defend the lead. Watford ...a deserved win with a 96th min goal. Billing on for 13 minutes at the end...another top show that no-one saw. Fulham. You wont see a poorer permforance away this season. Billing less than average. So he has started in 3 wins. I was at 4 of those games. One sometimes has to look a little more closely. When we beat Man Utd 3-0 on Boxing Day and Billing is man-of-the-match with a brace i might take note......until then he is dead weight. No you won't, you'll still manage to get a dig in somehow. This is becoming quite entertaining now - eventually when he's mid 30's, playing out the twilight of his career and he's heading for somewhere like Bury you can claim some sort of hollow victory... Alternatively you could start becoming the all seeing eye, pragmatist, big picture sort of bloke you claim to be and admit on this one you might have gone a little over the top? At present your dogmatic position on Billing just gets funnier game by game... I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Bury now, what did they ever do to you BTW?
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