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Post by space hardware on Dec 5, 2018 18:28:22 GMT 1
For the avoidance of doubt, the punishment for breach of rules is as follows: "DATM DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES: We operate a YELLOW and RED CARD disciplinary system - posters who are in contravention of the rules for a minor offence will receive a YELLOW CARD (a warning level of 33%). TWO YELLOW CARD offences (a MINOR RED CARD offence and a warning level of 66%) will result in a ban of one week. A further TWO YELLOW CARDS (a second MINOR RED CARD OFFENCE) will result in a one month ban. Finally, TWO more YELLOW CARDS (a third MINOR RED CARD) on top of this (6 in total) will result in a lifetime ban. If you commit a MAJOR offence, you will receive a straight RED card - resulting in a ban of ONE CALENDAR MONTH. Any infringement following a MAJOR RED CARD will result in a lifetime ban." Otium had recently been banned for 1 week following two yellow card offences. The "Action Log" shows that we have taken some sort of action on around 25 occasions since June 2018 (around 1 per week). This ranges from deleting posts to permanent bans, but most are either yellow cards or deleting accounts of people who have already been banned and have tried to make duplicate accounts. For context, this week, we have had 16 posts reported to us. The reason why so little action is taken, is because we appreciate that there are some topics stir emotions, that it is an emotional sport, and that things need to be taken in context and in the spirit that they are intended. We also give significant leeway on the OT board, where the topics can be even more emotive and contentious, and where people enter knowing that fact. Taking things in context goes both ways. Of the 6 Otium posts reported, we collectively decided that, taken in context, 2 were a breach of the rules and 4 were not. That means that Otium should get at least 2 yellow cards. The discussion was whether one or both of those posts should result in red or yellow cards, but having regard to the fact that Otium had already been banned for a week (and so the result of either would be a month ban) it was a bit of a moot point. As for the rules, whenever something like this happens there is a brief hubbub where a minority (not realising they are a minority) pick up arms and demand that the rules be changed or a ban overturned. A poll is often then started which (subject to a few suggestions for minor changes, such as implementing an "Action Log") overwhelmingly decides that the rules should not be changed and the ban not overturned. In any event, Otium's attempt to rapidly distance himself from his comments, then to make a martyrdom post in an attempt to deflect attention onto the issue of "free speech", shows clearly (to me anyway) that he knew he had overstepped the mark. We didn't prompt him, and hadn't told him that he had been reported, or that we were discussing taking action. He knew he had gone too far. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of speech. When you join a foonly 3 out rum, you agree to abide by the forum rules. A breach of those rules has consequences. We have been accused of being fascists, doling out unequal treatment to people. If we didn't apply the rules to posters, however popular they are, then we would be treating them unequally. The vast majority of people are able to use this forum, and engage in heated discussions, without falling foul of the rules. Just because you are a self-proclaimed intellectual, and you attempt to couch what you say in terms akin to "I'm only giving my theory", doesn't mean that what you say isn't subject to the forum rules. In any event, for every person we have saying that we are too harsh on people, we have at least as many, often more, saying that we are too lenient. The fact that we get both sides suggests (in my view) that we are just about finding the balance. Interesting that only 3 out 5 admins agreed with the course of action. Maybe you should say which admins voted for the ban and which are a bit more tolerant of peoples views. I think I can hazard an educated guess at which ones voted for the ban 😁. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Dec 5, 2018 18:51:50 GMT 1
Walter will have a direct line to somebody at the European Court of Human Rights, if it’s a woman then she will be drop dead gorgeous. Nobody needs to fight his corner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 7:56:36 GMT 1
Well i think the admins behaviour has been absolutely abhorrent and if they had the common decency to offer a reasonable answer as to why he was banned i would be able to 'dismantle' their arguments with ease. Im guessing the three culprits were kennyk2, cheesy and grim. I cant see good blokes like phil and oz resorting to such measures.
We will never know though because its a closed shop. Theyve lost all credibility. Its time for a change within this admin circle as its slowly turning into a DICKtatorship.
If the rumours are true that straightalker was infact a then admin it just goes to show.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 6, 2018 8:18:38 GMT 1
Ok. I've watched long enough. In reality all four of the five admins available were in favour of a ban, and the only debate was whether it should be a month or for life. At the time Kenny updated the log 3 of 5 agreed on a month. Since then a fourth has agreed with that action. The fifth has, as far as I am aware, not been online for a few days so has not updated their initial decision.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 8:52:54 GMT 1
Ok. I've watched long enough. In reality all four of the five admins available were in favour of a ban, and the only debate was whether it should be a month or for life. At the time Kenny updated the log 3 of 5 agreed on a month. Since then a fourth has agreed with that action. The fifth has, as far as I am aware, not been online for a few days so has not updated their initial decision. on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 8:58:58 GMT 1
Ok. I've watched long enough. In reality all four of the five admins available were in favour of a ban, and the only debate was whether it should be a month or for life. At the time Kenny updated the log 3 of 5 agreed on a month. Since then a fourth has agreed with that action. The fifth has, as far as I am aware, not been online for a few days so has not updated their initial decision. on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? and what i mean by offending someone through opinion is the fact one person could be offended by a remark that to many is harmless. Stating he can see why homosexuality was criminalized and stating homosexuality could be a mental disorder does not mean he wholeheartedly hates that group. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 9:02:18 GMT 1
Your rule about hatred contains the word construed. Otiums posts have been interpreted wrongly because of over sensitivity. Surely we cant ban people because of that. Ive read his posts multiple times, i simply cannot see a justified reason for a ban. Please can we have a explanation as to which posts were acted on and why.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 9:19:32 GMT 1
Even more alarming the rules further down read posts or images that show OVERT hatred towards a particular group. So which is it, construed or overt. If its the latter i find it even more alarming that otiums posts have been acted on.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 6, 2018 9:36:10 GMT 1
Ok. I've watched long enough. In reality all four of the five admins available were in favour of a ban, and the only debate was whether it should be a month or for life. At the time Kenny updated the log 3 of 5 agreed on a month. Since then a fourth has agreed with that action. The fifth has, as far as I am aware, not been online for a few days so has not updated their initial decision. on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? We collectively all felt these posts were unacceptable and contravened the rules. Sharing those posts here now would defeat the object. Move on Enoch. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 9:42:50 GMT 1
on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? We collectively all felt these posts were unacceptable and contravened the rules. Sharing those posts here now would defeat the object. Move on Enoch. which rule? Showing overt hatred towards a particular group? He didnt do that. Overt means obvious, apparent, in your face. Not one of his posts on this matter showed overt hatred, not one. What his posts did do were upset and offend because of his opinion. A opinion he has a right to share and express. He DID NOT show hatred and i very much doubt in reality he holds any hatred whatsoever to homosexuals, even if he questions it. There is a difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 9:48:07 GMT 1
Give it a rest .He Will survive and be back.
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Post by artysid on Dec 6, 2018 10:44:36 GMT 1
on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? We collectively all felt these posts were unacceptable and contravened the rules. Sharing those posts here now would defeat the object. Move on Enoch. He wont move on if you keep responding to him. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 6, 2018 10:57:00 GMT 1
We collectively all felt these posts were unacceptable and contravened the rules. Sharing those posts here now would defeat the object. Move on Enoch. He wont move on if you keep responding to him. Fair comment. He's persona non grata now. |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Dec 6, 2018 11:26:39 GMT 1
Ok. I've watched long enough. In reality all four of the five admins available were in favour of a ban, and the only debate was whether it should be a month or for life. At the time Kenny updated the log 3 of 5 agreed on a month. Since then a fourth has agreed with that action. The fifth has, as far as I am aware, not been online for a few days so has not updated their initial decision. on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? I made a comment saying that the chanting against Brighton mocked gay people, but wasn't serious enough to warrant banning orders. His direct response to that was that he would criminalise homosexuality. If you don't think that immediately jumping to that kind of response (and then doubling down on it in another post) comes from a place of hatred, I don't really know what to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 12:10:45 GMT 1
on what grounds though grim? I understand the suggestion gays have mental illness, and the flipant remark about criminalization is perhaps quite shocking to some, but does that mean otium has posted a post that is hateful towards a particular group? It may offend people but it doesnt show hatred, and what i can see in the there isnt a rule stating if you offend someone through opinion you will be banned. Also is it okay for you to show the particular post or posts in question? I made a comment saying that the chanting against Brighton mocked gay people, but wasn't serious enough to warrant banning orders. His direct response to that was that he would criminalise homosexuality. If you don't think that immediately jumping to that kind of response (and then doubling down on it in another post) comes from a place of hatred, I don't really know what to say. he didnt say that, he said the outcry from the gay community (such as lgbt parades) should be criminalized. He then went onto say why do you think its been criminalized in the past and maybe theres good reason for it. Its called tongue in cheek. Clearly some people cant differentiate which is worrying |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 12:16:22 GMT 1
Nobody has explained why his comments were deemed unacceptable and given a valid thoughtful analysis of it. Therfore i can only conclude this forum is corrupt, as previously suggested to me through a outside source, and that it has a agenda to rid any persons whom do not fit into the admins ideals.
This is a complete disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 12:27:54 GMT 1
A few years back - think it was away at Crewe - a lad started a chant of "I hate Jevons. I hate Jevons."
The police construed this not as anger towards our ineffectual strike (sound familiar?) but as "I hate Germans. I hate Germans" (strange what was to happen with the club a few years down the line, innit?). By incredible good fortune, this kid actually was actually from German stock and even had a tattoo of the flag on his body. The police soon saw the error of their ways and everyone went home happy.
Would he have got a one month of lifetime ban from DATM?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 6, 2018 13:01:34 GMT 1
On the upside, by the time he comes back Billing will be worth another £5m! Bizarre that he's also serving a ban the same time as Oti... I imagine Oti is chuckling away to himself reading this shit as a guest - attention seeking when he's on here, gets the attention when he's banned, it's like he's reached the pinnacle of WUMery... We're all mad!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 15:02:06 GMT 1
Lift the mans ban and have the courage to admit you got this one wrong, so we can all go to bed and sleep soundly for once.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 15:05:49 GMT 1
Ill make a deal, pardon otium and i will commit forum suicide, and vanish from this satanic place for etnernity, never to return.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 6, 2018 17:31:20 GMT 1
Ill make a deal, pardon otium and i will commit forum suicide, and vanish from this satanic place for etnernity, never to return. Thought you were doing that when Tog rejected your half time bird of prey show. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:24:47 GMT 1
Ill make a deal, pardon otium and i will commit forum suicide, and vanish from this satanic place for etnernity, never to return. Thought you were doing that when Tog rejected your half time bird of prey show. indeed i did, howether i had no option to return in order to save my reputation which at the time was been slandered. I am though, a man of my word, a man of honour and if the admins choose to accept my proposal i will 100 percent, destroy myself in the name of justice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:32:12 GMT 1
Pardon otium
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:32:33 GMT 1
Free otium
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 6, 2018 19:33:29 GMT 1
Nobody has explained why his comments were deemed unacceptable and given a valid thoughtful analysis of it. Therfore i can only conclude this forum is corrupt, as previously suggested to me through a outside source, and that it has a agenda to rid any persons whom do not fit into the admins ideals. This is a complete disgrace. Other forums are available. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:37:19 GMT 1
Nobody has explained why his comments were deemed unacceptable and given a valid thoughtful analysis of it. Therfore i can only conclude this forum is corrupt, as previously suggested to me through a outside source, and that it has a agenda to rid any persons whom do not fit into the admins ideals. This is a complete disgrace. Other forums are available. stop been stubborn grim. Does otium hate homosexuals? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:41:47 GMT 1
Put it to a fucking poll, not 5 admins all with axes to grind. Poll it
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 6, 2018 21:08:58 GMT 1
This is such a shame ... on the day The Sun has announced Huddersfield as the worst town in Britain!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 22:15:24 GMT 1
I know why youve done this now, because you know otium hates christmas, so your kicking him out on his arse with no outlet to escape from it. Very clever. Well when a polish dog walker finds otium facedown in the snow with a bottle of scotch and a six empty saches of lemsip itll be you to blame. Hope your fucking happy. Monsters
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Post by leedsroadrob on Dec 7, 2018 0:33:09 GMT 1
Yeah, real pity this. Having blocked him a year or so ago I'm really missing missing his posts. But you felt the need to post a comment on a thread with otium in the title. Was just hoping that humanity had arrived on the forum, and it looks as if it has for a few weeks. Get in. |
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