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Post by mids on Dec 29, 2018 22:50:04 GMT 1
He would be a very decent player for us in the championship. For now tho, in the premier league, he’s a passenger. Would have VLP over him any day. At right wing back or central midfield? Give over, you wouldn't. |
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Dec 29, 2018 22:50:26 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 22:50:26 GMT 1
Any chance of getting him to try and beat a man once in a while then? So you accept though he is actually fairly pacey In terms of beating a man I think he does okay. He normally gets his cross away - which suggests he can beat a man and find a yard Only 22 players have hit more crosses than him this season www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_crossSo he’s rapid and gets crosses off ...and when two of those 22 are called Chris Lowe and Aaron Mooy you know it’s an utter codswallop of a stat. Look on SofaScore or similar that gives you the detail on accurate crosses, and pass completions..he’s regularly in low 30% for passes, and generally needs to hit ten crosses to get anywhere near a man...which probably means we need about 100 crosses typically to score a goal, which probably means we should be looking for a better route to goal. |
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Dec 29, 2018 22:59:53 GMT 1
Post by Town Duppy on Dec 29, 2018 22:59:53 GMT 1
Any chance of getting him to try and beat a man once in a while then? So you accept though he is actually fairly pacey In terms of beating a man I think he does okay. He normally gets his cross away - which suggests he can beat a man and find a yard Only 22 players have hit more crosses than him this season www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_crossSo he’s rapid and gets crosses off Is he better than Lowe? |
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Dec 29, 2018 23:00:37 GMT 1
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Incisive passer ?? I honestly don't know where you get this from richhtfc. Today was a typical performance - genuinely nearly every pass he did was either sideways or straight back to the man who'd passed it to him and then he scampered off up the field. He is not comfortable on the ball - it's like a hot potato. As is often said he cannot tackle and is scared stiff of physical contact. Just watch how many times he avoids tackling, or turns his back if a player is about to shoot. As ever (I was watching on stream) he went down needing treatment (twice today) and I think that even you may have to admit that the second time he eventually got up and sprinted off fresh as a daisy. As a Town supporter I was embarrassed. Apart from anything else it was counter-productive as it got the Fulham crown incensed and up for it - quite rightly. I accept that my posts would show that I don't rate him and it's because in the end I want any player who represents my team to give me the impression that they are desperate to win and will give their all for 90 minutes. They might not actually give a monkeys and may just be interested in picking up a weekly wage that I can only dream of, but when I watch Schindler,Durm, Hogg, Lowe, Kongolo etc I think that they are as hurt/delighted by results and performances as I am. I may be doing him an injustice but for me Flo flatters to deceive and is not the type of player we need when the going gets tough. I watched the stream too and considering he’s filling in for Mooy I thought he did ok. I agree he doesn’t go forward enough but his passing is incisive, he’s tidy and doesn’t give away possession often which is the bare minimum in that position. Got to be honest i was much more worried when Hoggy was in possession than Flo and I love him. I really don’t think this is the time for scapegoats, we are under resourced across the team and it was always likely to be this way. The problem is he isn’t filling in for Mooy, he’s doing his normal job and then drifting off to the middle to hide from the action when it’s all passing him by...whilst Zanka gets on with doing Flo’s normal job more effectively than him.....leaving Schindler exposed in the middle.  Drop Flo, get Zanka back playing WITH Schindler and use Durm or Kachunga in that position...absolutely no need to double team with Flossy just doing what others are doing...it means we’re playing with 10 men (or actually 9 since we do similar on the other side)...you can’t win a game with 9 men, especially if you make a sub that effectively turns that into 8 (arguably 7)). It’s a wonder we don’t win heavier, more often. |
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Dec 29, 2018 23:03:51 GMT 1
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Post by shawsie on Dec 29, 2018 23:03:51 GMT 1
I will give you most of the upsides. But you omitted from the down the following 1. Soft and weak generally. 2. Often out of position. 3. Woeful one on one defending. 4. For all his decent pace....when has he used it going forward - He turns back every time. Very lucky to keep his place given we have durm imo who is a lot better - and most definitely not a CDM. 5. You and your mates have decided you don’t like him 6. Not at all.....I liked him when he first came. A definite improvement on Tommy Smith, but imho has regressed this season. I hope he proves me wrong as loewe has this season. |
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Post by captainjack on Dec 29, 2018 23:04:02 GMT 1
I’m mising something which many here are seeing, but I’m not. Flo has real pace and crosses well. Sometimes he get tripped or stumbles because of his pace. Sometimes his crosses are off target. Regardless, he generally takes us further forward than VLP. What am I missing? He now a midfielder, apparently. I must be missing something.🤔 |
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 29, 2018 23:04:39 GMT 1
I watched the stream too and considering he’s filling in for Mooy I thought he did ok. I agree he doesn’t go forward enough but his passing is incisive, he’s tidy and doesn’t give away possession often which is the bare minimum in that position. Got to be honest i was much more worried when Hoggy was in possession than Flo and I love him. I really don’t think this is the time for scapegoats, we are under resourced across the team and it was always likely to be this way. The problem is he isn’t filling in for Mooy, he’s doing his normal job and then drifting off to the middle to hide from the action when it’s all passing him by...whilst Zanka gets on with doing Flo’s normal job more effectively than him.....leaving Schindler exposed in the middle. Drop Flo, get Zanka back playing WITH Schindler and use Durm or Kachunga in that position...absolutely no need to double team with Flossy just doing what others are doing...it means we’re playing with 10 men (or actually 9 since we do similar on the other side)...you can’t win a game with 9 men, especially if you make a sub that effectively turns that into 8 (arguably 7)). It’s a wonder we don’t win heavier, more often. Not sure I follow, Flo wasn’t playing right wing so the heat map shows he was doing his job? |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 29, 2018 23:04:50 GMT 1
So you accept though he is actually fairly pacey In terms of beating a man I think he does okay. He normally gets his cross away - which suggests he can beat a man and find a yard Only 22 players have hit more crosses than him this season www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_crossSo he’s rapid and gets crosses off ...and when two of those 22 are called Chris Lowe and Aaron Mooy you know it’s an utter codswallop of a stat. Look on SofaScore or similar that gives you the detail on accurate crosses, and pass completions..he’s regularly in low 30% for passes, and generally needs to hit ten crosses to get anywhere near a man...which probably means we need about 100 crosses typically to score a goal, which probably means we should be looking for a better route to goal. So it’s gone from Slow - not true Learn to beat a man - not relevant due to getting crosses off Now pass accuracy ... his passing accuracy today was 85%! www.whoscored.com/Players/136896/MatchStatistics/Florent-HadergjonajBefore this moves to tackles he’s made more tackles this year than dunk, maguire or van dijk I’m not making out he’s a world beater but he’s not a bad player either and doesn’t deserve getting singled out! |
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Dec 29, 2018 23:08:42 GMT 1
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Post by Giggity on Dec 29, 2018 23:08:42 GMT 1
Same default settings as Hogg when playing in CM. Receive the ball and pass straight back to the defender. Not Premier League quality unfortunately.
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Post by mickydombat on Dec 29, 2018 23:16:14 GMT 1
Sorry I feel that I must respond about Flo. He is soft and awful at defending.He can't head a ball tackle cross to our man and has given away at least 4 goals. He is not the only player I'd lambast, but if Wagner rates this pussy, then it's time for him to go. A lot of people aren't being kneejerk about today's performance, Wagner could have played more offensively, but he has persistently stuck to a rigid boring plan that is failing week by week. We all accept what he did for us, but that doesn't give him immunity forever!
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Dec 29, 2018 23:17:56 GMT 1
Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 29, 2018 23:17:56 GMT 1
So you accept though he is actually fairly pacey In terms of beating a man I think he does okay. He normally gets his cross away - which suggests he can beat a man and find a yard Only 22 players have hit more crosses than him this season www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_crossSo he’s rapid and gets crosses off Is he better than Lowe? No I actually prefer Loewe but flo’s not a bad player either in my view |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2018 0:56:12 GMT 1
Apart from not being that quick, not being able to cross and not being able to take us further forward than VLP, I think you're spot on. Not being that quick? He was the 8th fastest player in the bundesligua in the year we signed him en.onefootball.com/ten-fastest-players-bundesliga/The bundesliga must be a carthorse convention then! Don;t think Ive ever seen him beat a full back with pace. Not once. He doesn;t have a trick to get past one either. He works hard to get in promising positions but hasn;t got any where the quality needed to make use of them. When he is able to put a ball in his crossing is generally crap, either not beating the first man or just lofted in to no one in particluar. Hes consistently our worst starting player IMO. Seriously no idea how the hell he has had so many games. Added to all that hes as soft as shit. Not just in his defending , which is extremely poor, but as a player in general. Hes not even good at pretending to be hurt- all the refs have long since wised up to him. Im not surprised were bottom of the league if a player as crap as him is starting every game! |
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Post by royrace on Dec 30, 2018 2:10:26 GMT 1
One in a long line of players brought in to improve the team that have made it worse imo, every move breaks down with him because he does not have the quality to beat a man or pick a pass. I don’t need to mention his other faults which are well documented on this thread already. He is sub standard like many of our other recent recruits. Give me tommy smith any day of the week.
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Dec 30, 2018 2:38:37 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 2:38:37 GMT 1
...and when two of those 22 are called Chris Lowe and Aaron Mooy you know it’s an utter codswallop of a stat. Look on SofaScore or similar that gives you the detail on accurate crosses, and pass completions..he’s regularly in low 30% for passes, and generally needs to hit ten crosses to get anywhere near a man...which probably means we need about 100 crosses typically to score a goal, which probably means we should be looking for a better route to goal. So it’s gone from Slow - not true Learn to beat a man - not relevant due to getting crosses off Now pass accuracy ... his passing accuracy today was 85%! www.whoscored.com/Players/136896/MatchStatistics/Florent-HadergjonajBefore this moves to tackles he’s made more tackles this year than dunk, maguire or van dijk I’m not making out he’s a world beater but he’s not a bad player either and doesn’t deserve getting singled out! Of course he’s a bad player and of course he DESERVES being singled out more than any other supposed scapegoat. He’s a total bottler, which makes his histrionics even more embarrassing...this season he’s played increasingly like a scared schoolboy with every game. I support all players who pull on the shirt, but when he goes down and stays down he’s the first Town player ever that I’ve genuinely hoped is ACTUALLY injured so we have to get him off the pitch. |
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Dec 30, 2018 8:17:55 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 30, 2018 8:17:55 GMT 1
The bundesliga must be a carthorse convention then! Don;t think Ive ever seen him beat a full back with pace. Not once. He doesn;t have a trick to get past one either. He works hard to get in promising positions but hasn;t got any where the quality needed to make use of them. When he is able to put a ball in his crossing is generally crap, either not beating the first man or just lofted in to no one in particluar. Hes consistently our worst starting player IMO. Seriously no idea how the hell he has had so many games. Added to all that hes as soft as shit. Not just in his defending , which is extremely poor, but as a player in general. Hes not even good at pretending to be hurt- all the refs have long since wised up to him. Im not surprised were bottom of the league if a player as crap as him is starting every game! Capt we agree on 99% of things but I just don’t think Flo is that bad - I do hate the way he rolls around with the slightest contact but also I don’t see him pulling out of his tackles so rather than being soft he’s snide in terms of trying to get opponents booked, like I say I don’t like it but a lot of players do it I would argue your view is the minority though. Last season he came third in the player of the year poll and won young player of the year (over mounie). These awards were decided by fan votes on the examiner www.htafc.com/news/2018/april/schindler-named-towns-player-of-the-year/ |
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Dec 30, 2018 8:23:11 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 30, 2018 8:23:11 GMT 1
So it’s gone from Slow - not true Learn to beat a man - not relevant due to getting crosses off Now pass accuracy ... his passing accuracy today was 85%! www.whoscored.com/Players/136896/MatchStatistics/Florent-HadergjonajBefore this moves to tackles he’s made more tackles this year than dunk, maguire or van dijk I’m not making out he’s a world beater but he’s not a bad player either and doesn’t deserve getting singled out! Of course he’s a bad player and of course he DESERVES being singled out more than any other supposed scapegoat. He’s a total bottler, which makes his histrionics even more embarrassing...this season he’s played increasingly like a scared schoolboy with every game. I support all players who pull on the shirt, but when he goes down and stays down he’s the first Town player ever that I’ve genuinely hoped is ACTUALLY injured so we have to get him off the pitch. He’s the first player you’ve wished injured - I wouldn’t wish any player serious injury and certainly not one of our own |
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Of course he’s a bad player and of course he DESERVES being singled out more than any other supposed scapegoat. He’s a total bottler, which makes his histrionics even more embarrassing...this season he’s played increasingly like a scared schoolboy with every game. I support all players who pull on the shirt, but when he goes down and stays down he’s the first Town player ever that I’ve genuinely hoped is ACTUALLY injured so we have to get him off the pitch. He’s the first player you’ve wished injured - I wouldn’t wish any player serious injury and certainly not one of our own I wouldn’t wish any player serious injury either. What I said is when he goes down I hope he’s injured enough that it forces the decision to get him off the pitch and that Wagner tries someone else. He’s a total liability and his almost complete lack of impact or influence on the game is one of the major reasons we’re bottom of the league. |
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Dec 30, 2018 9:56:31 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 9:56:31 GMT 1
The bundesliga must be a carthorse convention then! Don;t think Ive ever seen him beat a full back with pace. Not once. He doesn;t have a trick to get past one either. He works hard to get in promising positions but hasn;t got any where the quality needed to make use of them. When he is able to put a ball in his crossing is generally crap, either not beating the first man or just lofted in to no one in particluar. Hes consistently our worst starting player IMO. Seriously no idea how the hell he has had so many games. Added to all that hes as soft as shit. Not just in his defending , which is extremely poor, but as a player in general. Hes not even good at pretending to be hurt- all the refs have long since wised up to him. Im not surprised were bottom of the league if a player as crap as him is starting every game! Capt we agree on 99% of things but I just don’t think Flo is that bad - I do hate the way he rolls around with the slightest contact but also I don’t see him pulling out of his tackles so rather than being soft he’s snide in terms of trying to get opponents booked, like I say I don’t like it but a lot of players do it I would argue your view is the minority though. Last season he came third in the player of the year poll and won young player of the year (over mounie). These awards were decided by fan votes on the examiner www.htafc.com/news/2018/april/schindler-named-towns-player-of-the-year/You’re not watching if you don’t see him pull out of challenges...it happens multiple times every game, even when he is favourite to get the ball. Last season is not this season, he’s regressed (maybe because of those around him and maybe because there’s a far better player available to play in his position now). By the way...the young player award was voted for by the PLAYERS...I suspect he’s a good pro...like a Nathan Clarke or similar, trains hard and incredibly glad to be there, probably a really nice lad, but just not really got the balls to play competitively at the highest level. The player of the year award, he collected 5% of the public vote. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 30, 2018 10:04:40 GMT 1
Capt we agree on 99% of things but I just don’t think Flo is that bad - I do hate the way he rolls around with the slightest contact but also I don’t see him pulling out of his tackles so rather than being soft he’s snide in terms of trying to get opponents booked, like I say I don’t like it but a lot of players do it I would argue your view is the minority though. Last season he came third in the player of the year poll and won young player of the year (over mounie). These awards were decided by fan votes on the examiner www.htafc.com/news/2018/april/schindler-named-towns-player-of-the-year/You’re not watching if you don’t see him pull out of challenges...it happens multiple times every game, even when he is favourite to get the ball. Last season is not this season, he’s regressed (maybe because of those around him and maybe because there’s a far better player available to play in his position now). By the way...the young player award was voted for by the PLAYERS...I suspect he’s a good pro...like a Nathan Clarke or similar, trains hard and incredibly glad to be there, probably a really nice lad, but just not really got the balls to play competitively at the highest level. The player of the year award, he collected 5% of the public vote. I agree he’s regressed from last year- along with others - but I diasagree he’s this liability that he’s being made out to be If young player is voted by the players then that means not just Wagner but also his team mates appreciate what he does. In terms of the vote only Hogg and Schindler got more votes ... which if Flo was that useless he wouldn’t have figured |
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Dec 30, 2018 10:11:33 GMT 1
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Post by DuncanShearer on Dec 30, 2018 10:11:33 GMT 1
A mate of mine can't stand Flo, for the reasons many have stated. I'm more on the fence but yesterday I thought he was anonymous in the second half. His play acting, and generally shirking big tackles also winds me up. Sometimes he offers an outball option down the right and is regularly involved in our build up play, I'd guess we attack more down his side than the left. But as others have said it often fizzles out with a shit cross or safe conservative pass backwards. As I type I'm slowly falling off the fence on the side of Not good enough. He seems to be a mainstay for DW, but I'm not sure why. Maybe Flo told DW about VLP and his daughter?😉 Yesterday, as someone said in another thread, Bacuna must have been thinking  if Flo starts in midfield in front of him. Away from home, 6pointer, Hogg back, and Flo gets the nod over a true CM who could if picked have allowed Billing to play more in the Mooy role. Still love DW to bits, but when the losses are dissected, some of the decisions are odd, and Flo is perhaps one of the main examples of that. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2018 11:04:23 GMT 1
The bundesliga must be a carthorse convention then! Don;t think Ive ever seen him beat a full back with pace. Not once. He doesn;t have a trick to get past one either. He works hard to get in promising positions but hasn;t got any where the quality needed to make use of them. When he is able to put a ball in his crossing is generally crap, either not beating the first man or just lofted in to no one in particluar. Hes consistently our worst starting player IMO. Seriously no idea how the hell he has had so many games. Added to all that hes as soft as shit. Not just in his defending , which is extremely poor, but as a player in general. Hes not even good at pretending to be hurt- all the refs have long since wised up to him. Im not surprised were bottom of the league if a player as crap as him is starting every game! Capt we agree on 99% of things but I just don’t think Flo is that bad - I do hate the way he rolls around with the slightest contact but also I don’t see him pulling out of his tackles so rather than being soft he’s snide in terms of trying to get opponents booked, like I say I don’t like it but a lot of players do it I would argue your view is the minority though. Last season he came third in the player of the year poll and won young player of the year (over mounie). These awards were decided by fan votes on the examiner www.htafc.com/news/2018/april/schindler-named-towns-player-of-the-year/I don;t know a Town fan who doesn;t think hes shit. Might not be reflective of our support but there you go. Hes weak. Weak defensively ( one of the weakest ive seen in a LONG time ) and offers very little going forward, unless going down the wing, then slowly working it back into the middle is what we're about. We're in a real scrap and you need players who are man enough for the fight. Look at Flos pathetic challenge at Wolves in the incident where Billing cleared it off the line. He looks like a weak schoolboy in a mans game. Look at the way he turned his back on Pogba's shot for Man utds second- didn;t want to get hurt more than he didn;t want Pogba to score. His defending is AWFUL- a stand out weak link that any other manager is obviously going to target. YET HE STARTS EVERY FUCKING GAME!!!!!!! Does he have photos of wagner up to no good or something?? I could put up with his general softness if he was a good player- but hes nowhere near good enough to play at this level. He wouldn;t get anywhere near any other team or even their bench. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 30, 2018 11:05:57 GMT 1
Seems to contribute absolutely nothing but still gets picked.
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Post by terrierbite on Dec 30, 2018 11:18:08 GMT 1
One in a long line of players brought in to improve the team that have made it worse imo, every move breaks down with him because he does not have the quality to beat a man or pick a pass. I don’t need to mention his other faults which are well documented on this thread already. He is sub standard like many of our other recent recruits. Give me tommy smith any day of the week. Got to agree with this and a pity Tommy Smith was injured very early and when coming back seemed to be not at match fitness even though the injury had gone ,Smith needs a good pre season ,my main issue with Flo is his play acting which he now has a bad reputation with the refs for ,yet another negative for the refs to have in there mind when reffing a game Myself I am now confused as to what role Flo is best at ,seems he played well against Man Utd in FA cup and DW sees him as strong there ,myself I would have played Bacuna as it is a more natural position for him |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 30, 2018 11:28:12 GMT 1
Even if Smith was fit Wagner would still pick Flo.
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Post by Stiggy on Dec 30, 2018 11:37:07 GMT 1
He isn’t that quick, his crosses are terrible and he often gets caught out of position at the back...
In fact what has flo done that’s benefited us? What are his assist/goal stats?
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Dec 30, 2018 11:49:33 GMT 1
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 30, 2018 11:49:33 GMT 1
Yesterday I travelled 200 miles to London without a coat yet flo wears a pair of gloves. Sums him up
Needs to grow a pair
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Post by villageidiot on Aug 6, 2019 12:00:11 GMT 1
Imperious yesterday. On the odd occasion he ventured back into our defense he was rinsed or found out of position.
His ability to pick out an opposition player with his crosses in unerring
His workrate is shambolic. When Our keeper and centre half collided he had not yet reached the halfway line having lost the ball in the last third. minutes later he outdid himself by feigning injury rather than have to get off his arse and run/jog back into position.
If you aren't fit enough to bomb forward and get back then be more selective on how often you get upfield
Well done sir - A stand out shit performance within a shower of shite
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 6, 2019 12:04:17 GMT 1
He's crap. Honestly why is he still at the club when Smith gets let go? Surely bockhorn has to be a better option.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 12:08:52 GMT 1
Imperious yesterday. On the odd occasion he ventured back into our defense he was rinsed or found out of position. His ability to pick out an opposition player with his crosses in unerring His workrate is shambolic. When Our keeper and centre half collided he had not yet reached the halfway line having lost the ball in the last third. minutes later he outdid himself by feigning injury rather than have to get off his arse and run/jog back into position. If you aren't fit enough to bomb forward and get back then be more selective on how often you get upfield Well done sir - A stand out shit performance within a shower of shite I could name 8 or 9 worse than him last night but it's been decided he's shit and nothing will change that. As for crossing we had one man in the box against 4,5 or 6 defenders. |
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Post by shatterrier on Aug 6, 2019 12:24:33 GMT 1
Imperious yesterday. On the odd occasion he ventured back into our defense he was rinsed or found out of position. His ability to pick out an opposition player with his crosses in unerring His workrate is shambolic. When Our keeper and centre half collided he had not yet reached the halfway line having lost the ball in the last third. minutes later he outdid himself by feigning injury rather than have to get off his arse and run/jog back into position. If you aren't fit enough to bomb forward and get back then be more selective on how often you get upfield Well done sir - A stand out shit performance within a shower of shite I could name 8 or 9 worse than him last night but it's been decided he's shit and nothing will change that. As for crossing we had one man in the box against 4,5 or 6 defenders. Quite agree, one in particular springs to mind when he got forward well, was the most advanced player and everyone else took a gentle stroll forward. He fizzed in a cross for one of their 4 or 5 defenders to control comfortably and play out. Next most advanced town player was peddling his Zimmer Frame just past half way.
Ok, odd that he fizzed it to no one but he'd have got pelters if he'd have gone backwards anyway.
I thought he had a decent game but as you say he's been shit so that's that then
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if Flo starts in midfield in front of him. Away from home, 6pointer, Hogg back, and Flo gets the nod over a true CM who could if picked have allowed Billing to play more in the Mooy role. 
