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Post by artysid on Jan 6, 2019 12:35:56 GMT 1
Going to be a big effort to move these.
Wonder what the incentives will be for early purchasers, if any?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 12:38:00 GMT 1
Who knows? Maybe the chance to see the team we love for a fraction of the fee fans of our rivals pay and supporting the club in the process?!?
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Post by space hardware on Jan 6, 2019 12:39:00 GMT 1
Going to be a big effort to move these. Wonder what the incentives will be for early purchasers, if any? Very likely to be a tough sell for the club, given the current situation. I think we know which division we'll be operating in so a fair few of the newer fans won't buy, whatever price they are (within reason). |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jan 6, 2019 12:47:43 GMT 1
Going to be a big effort to move these. Wonder what the incentives will be for early purchasers, if any? I disagree I think you will find the majority of town fans are more loyal than you think |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 6, 2019 12:55:44 GMT 1
Not sleepwalking into relegation; it's a headlong charge! Expect us to lose the next five games and that will coincide with release of new season cards. With relegation almost certain, the demand will naturally drop off. Couple that with the loss in expected revenue due to tumbling out of the EPL and DH will therefore be unable to subsidise the cost. The number of home games will rise from 19 to 23 and even though it will be a poorer standard of football on view (if that is at all possible!) the price will have to go up, thereby driving even more fans away.
All of which points to very lean times ahead. 🤔
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Post by H7 on Jan 6, 2019 12:57:47 GMT 1
Fans that were happy to buy a Championship season ticket previously now won't be because we are struggling in the Premier League. Football fans, eh?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 6, 2019 13:00:43 GMT 1
Not sleepwalking into relegation; it's a headlong charge! Expect us to lose the next five games and that will coincide with release of new season cards. With relegation almost certain, the demand will naturally drop off. Couple that with the loss in expected revenue due to tumbling out of the EPL and DH will therefore be unable to subsidise the cost. The number of home games will rise from 19 to 23 and even though it will be a poorer standard of football on view (if that is at all possible!) the price will have to go up, thereby driving even more fans away. All of which points to very lean times ahead. 🤔 We've got a 40 million parachute payment to subsidise them. If they're more expensive than our last season in the Championship then it doesn't make much sense |
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Post by space hardware on Jan 6, 2019 13:00:59 GMT 1
Fans that were happy to buy a Championship season ticket previously now won't be because we are struggling in the Premier League. Football fans, eh? Weren't the last lot of Championship season tickets £100? They won't be anywhere near that next season, I wouldn't have thought. That alone will put a good few off. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 6, 2019 13:02:19 GMT 1
Not sleepwalking into relegation; it's a headlong charge! Expect us to lose the next five games and that will coincide with release of new season cards. With relegation almost certain, the demand will naturally drop off. Couple that with the loss in expected revenue due to tumbling out of the EPL and DH will therefore be unable to subsidise the cost. The number of home games will rise from 19 to 23 and even though it will be a poorer standard of football on view (if that is at all possible!) the price will have to go up, thereby driving even more fans away. All of which points to very lean times ahead. 🤔 We've got a 40 million parachute payment to subsidise them. If they're more expensive than our last season in the Championship then it doesn't make much sense A huge percentage of the parachute payments will go to offsetting the stupid wages that these clowns are being paid. That's what they're there for, not to subsidise season cards. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jan 6, 2019 13:03:04 GMT 1
We'll sell about 13,000 id have guessed, so long as prices are frozen.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 6, 2019 13:03:33 GMT 1
Fans that were happy to buy a Championship season ticket previously now won't be because we are struggling in the Premier League. Football fans, eh? They won't be anywhere near that next season, I wouldn't have thought. That alone will put a good few off. No, nothing like. That was the price paid by some of us for last season's first go at the Greedy League. |
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Post by impact on Jan 6, 2019 13:03:50 GMT 1
We've got a 40 million parachute payment to subsidise them. If they're more expensive than our last season in the Championship then it doesn't make much sense A huge percentage of the parachute payments will go to offsetting the stupid wages that these clowns are being paid. That's what they're there for, not to subsidise season cards. No, that's what relegation clauses in contracts are about. We do things sensibly. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 6, 2019 13:06:04 GMT 1
A huge percentage of the parachute payments will go to offsetting the stupid wages that these clowns are being paid. That's what they're there for, not to subsidise season cards. No, that's what relegation clauses in contracts are about. We do things sensibly. Not disagreeing with you, but even with 50% cuts in wages these blokes will still be earning more per week than the vast majority of players outside the obvious "big fish" clubs in the Championship; that is why we get parachute payments, as per the FA's official line on it. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 6, 2019 13:06:42 GMT 1
A huge percentage of the parachute payments will go to offsetting the stupid wages that these clowns are being paid. That's what they're there for, not to subsidise season cards. No, that's what relegation clauses in contracts are about. We do things sensibly. Exactly. The wage bill will be 20-25 million tops next season I'd have thought. Factor in the big sums we're likely to get for Billing, Kongolo and Mooy and there is absolutely no logical reason that season ticket prices should rise |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 6, 2019 13:10:32 GMT 1
It's people's own choice, just as I may not go to the Man City game, as I won't have a pillow to hide behind 😉
If people start expecting incentives or lower prices though, they can sod right off. We've had it really good in this respect, which instead of being appreciated, some have just shifted what they see as the norm.
Cheaper walk in prices wouldn't be a bad thing though.
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Post by impact on Jan 6, 2019 13:20:41 GMT 1
No, that's what relegation clauses in contracts are about. We do things sensibly. Not disagreeing with you, but even with 50% cuts in wages these blokes will still be earning more per week than the vast majority of players outside the obvious "big fish" clubs in the Championship; that is why we get parachute payments, as per the FA's official line on it. I'm not sure they will. Say our wage bill is the same as Burnley at 60m. A 50% reduction would leave us around 18m higher in wages than in 16/17 (this excludes the promotion bonuses). We will get rid of some of the higher wages as well, and we get 30-40m in parachute payments. That easily covers the difference, even before thinking about increased sponsorship revenues etc. Some clubs like Villa will be paying more than that out. I can't find the figures atm though. |
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Jan 6, 2019 13:21:50 GMT 1
Going to be a big effort to move these. Wonder what the incentives will be for early purchasers, if any? Are they out yet? I'll be getting ours sorted toot sweet. They'll probably still be significantly cheaper than most other clubs to boot, get in! |
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Post by artysid on Jan 6, 2019 13:23:29 GMT 1
Not disagreeing with you, but even with 50% cuts in wages these blokes will still be earning more per week than the vast majority of players outside the obvious "big fish" clubs in the Championship; that is why we get parachute payments, as per the FA's official line on it. I'm not sure they will. Say our wage bill is the same as Burnley at 60m. A 50% reduction would leave us around 18m higher in wages than in 16/17 (this excludes the promotion bonuses). We will get rid of some of the higher wages as well, and we get 30-40m in parachute payments. That easily covers the difference, even before thinking about increased sponsorship revenues etc. Some clubs like Villa will be paying more than that out. I can't find the figures atm though. A lot of this makes sense apart from this bit. You don't really expect increased sponsorship revenues do you? |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 6, 2019 13:23:31 GMT 1
Not disagreeing with you, but even with 50% cuts in wages these blokes will still be earning more per week than the vast majority of players outside the obvious "big fish" clubs in the Championship; that is why we get parachute payments, as per the FA's official line on it. I'm not sure they will. Say our wage bill is the same as Burnley at 60m. A 50% reduction would leave us around 18m higher in wages than in 16/17 (this excludes the promotion bonuses). We will get rid of some of the higher wages as well, and we get 30-40m in parachute payments. That easily covers the difference, even before thinking about increased sponsorship revenues etc. Some clubs like Villa will be paying more than that out. I can't find the figures atm though. Well, I just hope that you're right. I can only see a lot of cash being swallowed up by the current squad and there not being a lot left for incoming players, and certainly not for subsidising the fans (again). |
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Post by johnr on Jan 6, 2019 13:29:13 GMT 1
Who knows? Maybe the chance to see the team we love for a fraction of the fee fans of our rivals pay and supporting the club in the process?!? Should be all that s needed. But it s not as simple as that, is it ? Most finance into clubs comes from sponsorships,advertising and from rich directors and not from fans but having as much as you can get from fans helps too, and it will need some new ideas to keep hold of a lot of the new fans, nothing gets improved if you just sit there and do nothing. |
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Post by impact on Jan 6, 2019 13:29:19 GMT 1
I'm not sure they will. Say our wage bill is the same as Burnley at 60m. A 50% reduction would leave us around 18m higher in wages than in 16/17 (this excludes the promotion bonuses). We will get rid of some of the higher wages as well, and we get 30-40m in parachute payments. That easily covers the difference, even before thinking about increased sponsorship revenues etc. Some clubs like Villa will be paying more than that out. I can't find the figures atm though. A lot of this makes sense apart from this bit. You don't really expect increased sponsorship revenues do you? From the last time we were in the championship, yes. We will have signed deals longer than a year this year, for example, which will be greater than what we got before. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jan 6, 2019 13:29:23 GMT 1
What’s to stop you getting one:
- more games to go and see down at the JSS
- hopefully we’re more competitive and may actually win games
- more night games (just love walking down to the JSS with the floodlights streaming down; call me an old sentimentalist)
- DH won’t fleece the fans and they’ll be reasonably priced
And let’s be honest, you’d just miss it, regardless of the current situation.
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Post by artysid on Jan 6, 2019 13:29:41 GMT 1
Going to be a big effort to move these. Wonder what the incentives will be for early purchasers, if any? Are they out yet? I'll be getting ours sorted toot sweet. They'll probably still be significantly cheaper than most other clubs to boot, get in! Problem is there are many on here who do not appreciate how spoilt we are compared to fans of other Clubs with regard to season ticket prices. I recall lots moaning on here this year and a few high profile (pardon the pun cissystrutts ) from a few claiming they will refuse to buy. I dread to imagine how much the likes of riptide will have to pay in the unlikely event their team gets promoted. |
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Post by capitalterrier on Jan 6, 2019 13:31:37 GMT 1
I'd imagine prices will be around the 250-300 mark again.
I'd also like to see the first parachute payment primarily used to retain players rather than sign new ones.
I'd be absolutely gutted to see Mooy leave but I think that'd be inevitable if we went down.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 6, 2019 13:34:20 GMT 1
Not sleepwalking into relegation; it's a headlong charge! Expect us to lose the next five games and that will coincide with release of new season cards. With relegation almost certain, the demand will naturally drop off. Couple that with the loss in expected revenue due to tumbling out of the EPL and DH will therefore be unable to subsidise the cost. The number of home games will rise from 19 to 23 and even though it will be a poorer standard of football on view (if that is at all possible!) the price will have to go up, thereby driving even more fans away. All of which points to very lean times ahead. 🤔 If Hoyle could subsidise season tickets the season we got promoted, with an extra couple of million quid in money from players and TV, why can’t we subsidise them with tens of millions in parachute payments and the likely £30m+ we’ll get from selling Mooy, Billing etc? You used to be fairly level headed but seem to have got very pessimistic recently. Keep the faith, things look bleak on the pitch and with our recent transfers but the situation will improve, even if we’re in a lower division. Things have been far bleaker than this even if we’re on pretty much our worst ever stretch of results. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 6, 2019 13:36:16 GMT 1
I'll be buying one but I can understand why people wouldn't giving the unmitigated disaster we are seeing currently.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 6, 2019 13:40:42 GMT 1
Il be getting one whatever.
I’m nobody to judge anybody’s financial situation if you can’t afford to go whatever price it is then that’s fair enough.
People who’ve only bought one for the premiership but won’t be seen at a game in the championship can piss off for good as far as I’m concerned. Good riddance.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 6, 2019 13:40:57 GMT 1
A lot of fans stuck around against Burnley until quite near the end, and the ground was quite full. I think our increased fan base will be more resilient than the doom merchants predict.
Yes there will be plenty that don’t renew, but there’s plenty on the waiting list as well. Most will be looking for PL footy but not everyone will be - one of my mates hasn’t had one these last 2 years but will be getting one next year.
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Post by yappledapple on Jan 6, 2019 13:41:07 GMT 1
I'd imagine prices will be around the 250-300 mark again. I'd also like to see the first parachute payment primarily used to retain players rather than sign new ones. I'd be absolutely gutted to see Mooy leave but I think that'd be inevitable if we went down. I’m not convinced we would lose Mooy, although I think it depends on DW’s situation. Mooy isn’t your archetypal flashy footballer; he’s a very shy, family man, who I think is extremely loyal. He, his wife and new young family are settled here and he feels comfortable. As long as he’s getting, in his eyes, good money, then he may very well not want to up sticks again and have to go through all the issues of joining a new club. He could however join the newly promoted Yorkshire PL club from up the road; he wouldn’t have to relocate then!! 😉 |
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Post by impact on Jan 6, 2019 13:43:08 GMT 1
I'd imagine prices will be around the 250-300 mark again. I'd also like to see the first parachute payment primarily used to retain players rather than sign new ones. I'd be absolutely gutted to see Mooy leave but I think that'd be inevitable if we went down. I’m not convinced we would lose Mooy, although I think it depends on DW’s situation. Mooy isn’t your archetypal flashy footballer; he’s a very shy, family man, who I think is extremely loyal. He, his wife and new young family are settled here and he feels comfortable. As long as he’s getting, in his eyes, good money, then he may very well not want to up sticks again and have to go through all the issues of joining a new club. He could however join the newly promoted Yorkshire PL club from up the road; he wouldn’t have to relocate then!! 😉 He'd be gone, 100%. He would walk into any prem club's midfield outside the top 6 and I would expect us to get a lot of offers for him. |
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