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Post by Amigo on Feb 28, 2019 17:41:10 GMT 1
Massive shame to be honest if he's going to be out for a month he was starting to look pretty useful and looked like he was building up some confidence with some decent performances against some good sides.
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Post by Mav on Feb 28, 2019 17:57:28 GMT 1
Tog is right to mock him,, Looked like a Jeremy Kyle contestant.
Non playing squad members are representing the club, They should be smartly dressed, If I was in charge I would make the lads wear a funky HTFC club blazer,, Made in Huddersfield of course.
I recall Quaner last year in skin tight jeans, only halfway over his arse, And the most ridiculous oversized, Clown like basketball boots.
They were his actual football boots Had to log in just to actually like that! 😁😁😁😁
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Post by yappledapple on Mar 28, 2019 23:15:26 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 28, 2019 23:28:40 GMT 1
Nope. Not given a chance under Wagner Was looking promising before his injury
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 28, 2019 23:29:50 GMT 1
Jeez, the money Fulham have spent to be three points in front of us.
Some people need to look at these and start to realise that Mounie was still a punt, it's just the figure sounds huge because of what we were used to, having been crap for pretty much the last 50 years.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 28, 2019 23:31:23 GMT 1
No. For start, its missed out the fact he was in tbe team that beat Wolves at home ( and could almost claim the assist) which makes it 5 out the 14 points we've collected was with him in the team.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 28, 2019 23:53:45 GMT 1
If you just look at this season in isolation, then its hard to argue Diahkaby hasn't been a total flop. Bit his fault, bit wagners and bit his injuries. Whatever the reason, his contribution has been very minimal.
But hes also shown enough to see that the money we spent on him might end up being well spent. He could be a huge asset next season and with good coaching to add to his raw pace, could well be a player we end up making a big profit on.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 29, 2019 0:01:18 GMT 1
If you just look at this season in isolation, then its hard to argue Diahkaby hasn't been a total flop. Bit his fault, bit wagners and bit his injuries. Whatever the reason, his contribution has been very minimal. But hes also shown enough to see that the money we spent on him might end up being well spent. He could be a huge asset next season and with good coaching to add to his raw pace, could well be a player we end up making a big profit on. Just need to hope he's happy to stick around. If he kicks up a fuss and wants out then we're in a no win situation. No point keeping an unhappy player but we won't get back half of what we paid after the season he's had
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Post by shawsie on Mar 29, 2019 0:03:34 GMT 1
Nope. Not given a chance under Wagner Was looking promising before his injury Looking promising?! 11m plus for him on what we’ve seen this season is horrendous. Him and mbenza have been garbage in the main.......young - yes, quick - very much so. Prem league players right now - nope and I will be surprised if either ever are again.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 29, 2019 0:15:12 GMT 1
Id say Diakhaby has looked FAR more promising than Mbenza. The two obviously get lumped together a lot, but think thats a bit harsh on Diakhaby.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 29, 2019 0:31:10 GMT 1
I think they'll both go on to be good players. Mbenza is probably the better of the two at the moment. He starts for Belgium under 21s for good reason
A proper run of games for both without having to first think about defending and you'll see what they're about. We were starting to see it before they got injured
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Post by ritchie on Mar 29, 2019 0:36:24 GMT 1
Nope. Not given a chance under Wagner Was looking promising before his injury Looking promising?! 11m plus for him on what we’ve seen this season is horrendous. Him and mbenza have been garbage in the main.......young - yes, quick - very much so. Prem league players right now - nope and I will be surprised if either ever are again. reported as 10m euros, so about 8.5m I've mentioned it before but Im sure I remember wagner or hoyle saying we spent a lot less on him than what was reported (6m rings a bell) but I cant find it - think it was a Q&A or something in the first month or so of the season
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Post by greyarea on Mar 29, 2019 3:14:12 GMT 1
Looking promising?! 11m plus for him on what we’ve seen this season is horrendous. Him and mbenza have been garbage in the main.......young - yes, quick - very much so. Prem league players right now - nope and I will be surprised if either ever are again. reported as 10m euros, so about 8.5m I've mentioned it before but Im sure I remember wagner or hoyle saying we spent a lot less on him than what was reported (6m rings a bell) but I cant find it - think it was a Q&A or something in the first month or so of the season There. A few independent reports from theonaco end that show The Diakhaby deal was 10Million Euros or at the time there was a quote of £8.4M. Mbenza is £2M with option to buy for a further £11M which we will clearly not be taking up.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 29, 2019 7:32:24 GMT 1
reported as 10m euros, so about 8.5m I've mentioned it before but Im sure I remember wagner or hoyle saying we spent a lot less on him than what was reported (6m rings a bell) but I cant find it - think it was a Q&A or something in the first month or so of the season There. A few independent reports from theonaco end that show The Diakhaby deal was 10Million Euros or at the time there was a quote of £8.4M. Mbenza is £2M with option to buy for a further £11M which we will clearly not be taking up. So that's 10m plus on two players whose contribution to the season has been negligible at best ......and that's before their wages! I hope I'm wrong and diakhaby proves he's a player rather than an athlete - but if we say the new signings are paid 30k pw then we have spent c20m on players (diakhaby, mbenza, sobhi) who have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!! We can talk about Wagner's tactics, poor selections etc - but the above recruitment is the root cause of the current problem.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 29, 2019 9:40:05 GMT 1
There. A few independent reports from theonaco end that show The Diakhaby deal was 10Million Euros or at the time there was a quote of £8.4M. Mbenza is £2M with option to buy for a further £11M which we will clearly not be taking up. So that's 10m plus on two players whose contribution to the season has been negligible at best ......and that's before their wages! I hope I'm wrong and diakhaby proves he's a player rather than an athlete - but if we say the new signings are paid 30k pw then we have spent c20m on players (diakhaby, mbenza, sobhi) who have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!! We can talk about Wagner's tactics, poor selections etc - but the above recruitment is the root cause of the current problem. We can talk about the tactics of Wagner, but we need to remember virtually all of us are at kindergarten level, so not qualified to say anything with real conviction. Anyway, I agree, our predicament is fundamentally because of the recruitment for the here and now. We were always going to be punting to some degree, compared to our richer rivals, but it still wasn't good enough, even accounting for that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 9:50:26 GMT 1
Yep recruitment not good enough last summer. We should’ve easily stayed up this year. We needed at least 1 high quality wing back and we needed a goalscorer. If we’d spent £20M on those two positions we’d have survived imo.
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Post by impact on Mar 29, 2019 10:50:17 GMT 1
Yep recruitment not good enough last summer. We should’ve easily stayed up this year. We needed at least 1 high quality wing back and we needed a goalscorer. If we’d spent £20M on those two positions we’d have survived imo. Just a goalscorer and we would have been IMO. There were so many games early doors decided by 1 goal that we missed some absolute sitters in.
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Post by royrace on Mar 29, 2019 11:26:17 GMT 1
There. A few independent reports from theonaco end that show The Diakhaby deal was 10Million Euros or at the time there was a quote of £8.4M. Mbenza is £2M with option to buy for a further £11M which we will clearly not be taking up. So that's 10m plus on two players whose contribution to the season has been negligible at best ......and that's before their wages! I hope I'm wrong and diakhaby proves he's a player rather than an athlete - but if we say the new signings are paid 30k pw then we have spent c20m on players (diakhaby, mbenza, sobhi) who have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!! We can talk about Wagner's tactics, poor selections etc - but the above recruitment is the root cause of the current problem. Exactly. For some inexplicable reason many seem to think these two were unfairly not given a chance by Wagner. The obvious conclusion to me is that Wagner, who I trust to be an extremely good coach and leader, decided they weren't good enough to play the positions he needed them for. What I have seen of them validates his decision 100%. Mbenza is a Belgium U21 international so must be good I keep hearing; nonsense. Both have some potential and MIGHT kick on at championship level but its far from a given and they were absolutely not what was required this season. The failure to strengthen in those positions combined with the sale of Ince and subsequent fallout with VLP is the reason we're going down. If the loan deal is indeed a loan Mbenza wont be here next season so we'll never find out if he's good enough for the championship, will be interesting to see how Diakhaby goes on if he stays. The club may be prepared to take a hit on him if there's interest and the player wants to leave, we aint getting our money back this summer though that's for sure. If you're not earning, you're learning, lets hope the club has done.
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Post by royrace on Mar 29, 2019 11:30:12 GMT 1
Yep recruitment not good enough last summer. We should’ve easily stayed up this year. We needed at least 1 high quality wing back and we needed a goalscorer. If we’d spent £20M on those two positions we’d have survived imo. Just a goalscorer and we would have been IMO. There were so many games early doors decided by 1 goal that we missed some absolute sitters in. With hindsight you're probably right although at the end of last season I thought the front 3 midfielders was probably all that needed tweaking, Mounie was converting most chances he was presented with and Depoitre was providing another good option. Fact is last years team would probably have stayed up again with the improvement of certain players and another years experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 11:43:33 GMT 1
I can only assume the journalist has not seen Courtois play this year to suggest he’s a better all round goalkeeper than Kepa. Atttitude is the only thing he wins in.
No surprise the first thing Zidane did when rejoining Madrid was drop him. His error the other night falling over the ball to concede the opener against Russia was comical.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 29, 2019 11:58:43 GMT 1
So that's 10m plus on two players whose contribution to the season has been negligible at best ......and that's before their wages! I hope I'm wrong and diakhaby proves he's a player rather than an athlete - but if we say the new signings are paid 30k pw then we have spent c20m on players (diakhaby, mbenza, sobhi) who have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!! We can talk about Wagner's tactics, poor selections etc - but the above recruitment is the root cause of the current problem. Exactly. For some inexplicable reason many seem to think these two were unfairly not given a chance by Wagner. The obvious conclusion to me is that Wagner, who I trust to be an extremely good coach and leader, decided they weren't good enough to play the positions he needed them for. What I have seen of them validates his decision 100%. Mbenza is a Belgium U21 international so must be good I keep hearing; nonsense. Both have some potential and MIGHT kick on at championship level but its far from a given and they were absolutely not what was required this season. The failure to strengthen in those positions combined with the sale of Ince and subsequent fallout with VLP is the reason we're going down. If the loan deal is indeed a loan Mbenza wont be here next season so we'll never find out if he's good enough for the championship, will be interesting to see how Diakhaby goes on if he stays. The club may be prepared to take a hit on him if there's interest and the player wants to leave, we aint getting our money back this summer though that's for sure. If you're not earning, you're learning, lets hope the club has done. Wagner okayed the signings then made a very late decision to play a totally different system.. This may or may not have coincided with his fault out with other members of the staff.. The dream went sour before we kicked a ball this year.. The staff/players let themselves down and us.. we brought in players who rarely if ever got a kick and as everyone is happy to tell you, this is a very hard league to get up and running in.. The singular dullest and least entertaining or even 'progressive' town team I have ever seen.. That in itself without the results tells you that its gone badly wrong from the top down... Easy, blame Winter or lack of investment or money spent in the right areas.. As we rarely attacked anyone it was obvious goals were going to be at a premium.. Life goes on, sugar coating certain major players in this shitty season isnt going to make any difference in the end..
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Post by Giggity on Mar 29, 2019 12:13:31 GMT 1
Diakhaby has shown flashes of brilliance and was looking promising until he was disciplined earlier on in the season.
He looks a lot better player than Mbenza.
Need to persist with him because his pace and dribbling will be lethal for us next season.
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 29, 2019 12:58:53 GMT 1
If Diakhaby remains happy, and shows any semblance of end product in the championship, he'll be absolutely lethal. That level of pace on the whole doesn't exist in the championship where's he's likely to be running at folk like Hudson circa 2016.
For precedent, see Adama Traoré. Bambi on ice in the Prem, tore the champ to bits, moved back to the Prem for £20m.
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Post by C.H on Mar 29, 2019 13:03:11 GMT 1
The pair of them are crap !!! Chance to buy at 13mill??
22million between them!!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 29, 2019 13:30:55 GMT 1
Is he anywhere near fit and ready to play tomorrow?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2019 13:40:47 GMT 1
Is he anywhere near fit and ready to play tomorrow? Not according Siewert in his press conference yesterday.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 29, 2019 13:50:55 GMT 1
Is he anywhere near fit and ready to play tomorrow? Not according Siewert in his press conference yesterday. we will have other players that are not 'up' for playing for one reason or another.. some have 'injuries' that mean they can't play or very minor 'niggles' or the like that it is no longer worth playing them.. some put the kit on and dont 'play' anyway.. its unfortunately where we are.. If Diakhaby is liked by the new bloke and has anything that is/could be aggravated then clearly he would be daft to even consider playing him.. We are seeing the season out.. 7 wins is unlikely to be good enough.. 7 decent performances will do...
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Post by royrace on Mar 29, 2019 13:51:09 GMT 1
Exactly. For some inexplicable reason many seem to think these two were unfairly not given a chance by Wagner. The obvious conclusion to me is that Wagner, who I trust to be an extremely good coach and leader, decided they weren't good enough to play the positions he needed them for. What I have seen of them validates his decision 100%. Mbenza is a Belgium U21 international so must be good I keep hearing; nonsense. Both have some potential and MIGHT kick on at championship level but its far from a given and they were absolutely not what was required this season. The failure to strengthen in those positions combined with the sale of Ince and subsequent fallout with VLP is the reason we're going down. If the loan deal is indeed a loan Mbenza wont be here next season so we'll never find out if he's good enough for the championship, will be interesting to see how Diakhaby goes on if he stays. The club may be prepared to take a hit on him if there's interest and the player wants to leave, we aint getting our money back this summer though that's for sure. If you're not earning, you're learning, lets hope the club has done. Wagner okayed the signings then made a very late decision to play a totally different system.. This may or may not have coincided with his fault out with other members of the staff.. The dream went sour before we kicked a ball this year.. The staff/players let themselves down and us.. we brought in players who rarely if ever got a kick and as everyone is happy to tell you, this is a very hard league to get up and running in.. The singular dullest and least entertaining or even 'progressive' town team I have ever seen.. That in itself without the results tells you that its gone badly wrong from the top down... Easy, blame Winter or lack of investment or money spent in the right areas.. As we rarely attacked anyone it was obvious goals were going to be at a premium.. Life goes on, sugar coating certain major players in this shitty season isnt going to make any difference in the end.. It's a bit chicken and egg isnt it, my assumption was he reverted to playing with five at the back and no wingers on the field because he knew he didn't have the wingers to play in his preferred 4-2-3-1. You could see very early on neither was equipped to play his system. Seems a bit more plausible than he just changed his mind after falling out with someone unless you have some other inside info? He may have rubber stamped the signings based on what he'd been told by DoF etc but it wasn't his job to source the players. Chucking Hamer in ahead of Lossl was also a strange decision, almost like he wanted to prove a point on the quality he was being expected to work with. Apparently Lossl was overweight when he got back but why not fine him and bollock him, rather than drop him. Obviously unhappy with the transfer business and decided to walk pre January when he was told they weren't prepared to make amends to give him a fighting chance. That's my theory anyway fwiw. Call it stress, everyone walks away still as pals and with reputations in tact. Winter virtually confirmed it in one of his rare interviews.
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Post by hypotenuse on Mar 29, 2019 14:19:10 GMT 1
Nope. Not given a chance under Wagner Was looking promising before his injury Looking promising?! 11m plus for him on what we’ve seen this season is horrendous. Him and mbenza have been garbage in the main.......young - yes, quick - very much so. Prem league players right now - nope and I will be surprised if either ever are again. Totally agree with this. Young and quick doth not a premier league player make - think that was from Will Shakespeare in one of his lesser known plays: Two Gentlemen of Huddersfield.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 29, 2019 15:35:40 GMT 1
Wagner okayed the signings then made a very late decision to play a totally different system.. This may or may not have coincided with his fault out with other members of the staff.. The dream went sour before we kicked a ball this year.. The staff/players let themselves down and us.. we brought in players who rarely if ever got a kick and as everyone is happy to tell you, this is a very hard league to get up and running in.. The singular dullest and least entertaining or even 'progressive' town team I have ever seen.. That in itself without the results tells you that its gone badly wrong from the top down... Easy, blame Winter or lack of investment or money spent in the right areas.. As we rarely attacked anyone it was obvious goals were going to be at a premium.. Life goes on, sugar coating certain major players in this shitty season isnt going to make any difference in the end.. It's a bit chicken and egg isnt it, my assumption was he reverted to playing with five at the back and no wingers on the field because he knew he didn't have the wingers to play in his preferred 4-2-3-1. You could see very early on neither was equipped to play his system. Seems a bit more plausible than he just changed his mind after falling out with someone unless you have some other inside info? He may have rubber stamped the signings based on what he'd been told by DoF etc but it wasn't his job to source the players. Chucking Hamer in ahead of Lossl was also a strange decision, almost like he wanted to prove a point on the quality he was being expected to work with. Apparently Lossl was overweight when he got back but why not fine him and bollock him, rather than drop him. Obviously unhappy with the transfer business and decided to walk pre January when he was told they weren't prepared to make amends to give him a fighting chance. That's my theory anyway fwiw. Call it stress, everyone walks away still as pals and with reputations in tact. Winter virtually confirmed it in one of his rare interviews. I think he had it mind to play the 3/5 at the back against the big clubs and utilise Mbenza & Diakhaby in a more attacking 4231 against the other. But we got so close to a couple of good results against the lines of Liverpool etc. Hitting the woodwork numerous times. And Wagner possibly thought these 2 hadn't mastered the defensive side well enough so he stuck to the same formation. It didn't work. And here we are
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