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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 16:02:08 GMT 1
Do you have to have seen it live? You can see this from his highlights reel when we signed him - and no im not advocating signing him on that alone - theres something there to work with. I mention the crossing because VLP was a very important outlet in our promotion season and couldnt even cross a ball. I can see the raw attributes for mbenza potentially doing that job better than VLP Second bold is just ridiculous. Grant had 6months on his contract, you'd be looking at double that minimum if not. Its not a yardstick. we sold a striker banging them in in L1 for 8m. mbenza cost a pretty savvy club nearly 2m when they signed him from a teams bench, he then did well at a good level. 2 million for a winger that scored 3 in 12 starts then 10 in 26 starts, in a much higher quality league than L1, would be considered good business by most folk. Your valuations are about 12 years out of date Now yes if we could get out of the deal for 11m id assess our options as the brass might be better spent, but if we signed him for 2m i'd be very excited to see what he could do. Do you not think its pretty ridiculous to judge our attacking players on this season? If not, what is pritchards worth? should we sell for 2m based on this season? or would it make more sense to take into account the previous record in a not so difficult league, for teams that attack properly? You'd rather go by a highlights video rather than watching him live? You could put together a highlights package that makes Ishmael Miller look like Harry Kane! Thats what highlights packages are for. His highlights package from this season would last 10 seconds and consist of 2 crosses!! We got Grant for £2m because even though hed done well at that level, there weren;t a host of clubs in for him an none from the prem but us. Its extremely rare for a striker at that level, even one scoring a lot, to go for anything approaching what we got for Rhodes. Callum wilson was a freescoring striker for Coventry in L1 but only cost Bournemouth £3m.. 2 years after we sold Rhodes. Like i said, Im not going by what hes supposed to be like, or what a highlight package suggests hes been like with very selective editing.. Im just going by what he WAS like. We payed £2m for Grant, but if he shows as little as Mbenza has done, it will be a big disappointment. Allegedly paid £2 million. Neither the Town website or the BBC website say anything other than undisclosed.
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Post by tobbyg on Feb 18, 2019 16:35:24 GMT 1
From what hes shown this season?? Really? I can only go on what Ive seen, not what Im supposed to have seen. You must have missed that cross for the Mounie header, he has also taken 2 good corners and once when tracking back he looked unbelievably quick although granted didn't get a tackle in. He also beat a Man Utd player once at Old Trafford although didn't manage to find a man with his pass afterwards. Surely there's £2M quids worth there! It was against premier league players too not 2 bob championship pub players. Him and Diakhaby will have a field day against players who aren't trying to tackle them in the championship next season, he'll prob be worth £20M then, he plays for the Belgium U21's too, blah blah blah, waffle waffle waffle. I hope you’re right! My only worry is if we’ve got the pace of them two defences will just sit on the edge of their own box.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2019 16:42:28 GMT 1
You must have missed that cross for the Mounie header, he has also taken 2 good corners and once when tracking back he looked unbelievably quick although granted didn't get a tackle in. He also beat a Man Utd player once at Old Trafford although didn't manage to find a man with his pass afterwards. Surely there's £2M quids worth there! It was against premier league players too not 2 bob championship pub players. Him and Diakhaby will have a field day against players who aren't trying to tackle them in the championship next season, he'll prob be worth £20M then, he plays for the Belgium U21's too, blah blah blah, waffle waffle waffle. I hope you’re right! My only worry is if we’ve got the pace of them two defences will just sit on the edge of their own box. I hadn't realised he was quite that bitter about us getting shut of Ince for not being up to the job 😉
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Post by royrace on Feb 18, 2019 16:52:22 GMT 1
I hope you’re right! My only worry is if we’ve got the pace of them two defences will just sit on the edge of their own box. I hadn't realised he was quite that bitter about us getting shut of Ince for not being up to the job 😉 Funny you should mention Ince, a good example of a player who IS worth £12M in this market. Compare and contrast, last seasons contribution from Ince vs this seasons contribution from Mbenza. The ultimate no brainer (for some). One is a proven top quality championship performer over many seasons at different clubs, the other has failed to make any impact whatsoever in English football except for one cross, a couple of corners and one take on at Old Trafford Before you say it again I know you're still really pleased we sold Ince and you ( convinced yourself) think it was the right decision, not good enough blah blah blah Maybe we'll see both on the same pitch next season although Im sure you'll stick to your guns even if Ince scores a first half hatrick and Mbenza gets the hook after 20 mins! Point is nobody in their right mind will be spending £12M on Mbenza unless its already a done deal.
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Post by bacuna on Feb 18, 2019 17:06:00 GMT 1
I hadn't realised he was quite that bitter about us getting shut of Ince for not being up to the job 😉 Funny you should mention Ince, a good example of a player who IS worth £12M in this market. Compare and contrast, last seasons contribution from Ince vs this seasons contribution from Mbenza. The ultimate no brainer (for some). One is a proven top quality championship performer over many seasons at different clubs, the other has failed to make any impact whatsoever in English football except for one cross, a couple of corners and one take on at Old Trafford Before you say it again I know you're still really pleased we sold Ince and you ( convinced yourself) think it was the right decision, not good enough blah blah blah Maybe we'll see both on the same pitch next season although Im sure you'll stick to your guns even if Ince scores a first half hatrick and Mbenza gets the hook after 20 mins! Point is nobody in their right mind will be spending £12M on Mbenza unless its already a done deal.
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Post by royrace on Feb 18, 2019 18:12:12 GMT 1
Funny you should mention Ince, a good example of a player who IS worth £12M in this market. Compare and contrast, last seasons contribution from Ince vs this seasons contribution from Mbenza. The ultimate no brainer (for some). One is a proven top quality championship performer over many seasons at different clubs, the other has failed to make any impact whatsoever in English football except for one cross, a couple of corners and one take on at Old Trafford Before you say it again I know you're still really pleased we sold Ince and you ( convinced yourself) think it was the right decision, not good enough blah blah blah Maybe we'll see both on the same pitch next season although Im sure you'll stick to your guns even if Ince scores a first half hatrick and Mbenza gets the hook after 20 mins! Point is nobody in their right mind will be spending £12M on Mbenza unless its already a done deal.
The whole team there is massively under achieving eh, I don't think you can read much into it. His record prior to this season at that level is as good as you'll see. He's also scored 6 goals in a shit team so its not exactly disastrous! We're grading our wingers on the number of good crosses and corners they've delivered and the number still isn't 6!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 18, 2019 18:20:01 GMT 1
The whole team there is massively under achieving eh, I don't think you can read much into it. His record prior to this season at that level is as good as you'll see. He's also scored 6 goals in a shit team so its not exactly disastrous! We're grading our wingers on the number of good crosses and corners they've delivered and the number still isn't 6! What did Ince contribute last season? That Watford goal saved him being seen as one of our worst ever signings given the amount we paid for him He didn't even dare try to take his man on. He'll never come close to making it above the Championship because he is far too slow. Mbenza and Diakhaby have a far better chance
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 18, 2019 18:20:04 GMT 1
Massive mistake letting Ince go imo. I could have understood if we had signed an upgrade but we clearly did not do that. (By that I mean someone ready to go straight into the first team) He was a constant threat last season and I thought very unlucky with his finishing on a number of occasions.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Feb 18, 2019 18:37:16 GMT 1
Massive mistake letting Ince go imo. I could have understood if we had signed an upgrade but we clearly did not do that. (By that I mean someone ready to go straight into the first team) He was a constant threat last season and I thought very unlucky with his finishing on a number of occasions. At the time I think it made sense to get rid of him considering the fee that was offered. It's a business at the end of the day. He was unlucky though in his season here and tried to go about it all the right way, and seemed to genuinely enjoy being at the club. I think however, with how much our attacking play regressed during this season, the pressure would've got to him considerably. His poor finishing last season was definitely psychological in part, and others who have failed to deliver this season were not as affected then. Impossible to say anything for certain but I think his confidence would've been shot if he stayed.
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 18, 2019 19:01:49 GMT 1
You'd rather go by a highlights video rather than watching him live? You could put together a highlights package that makes Ishmael Miller look like Harry Kane! Thats what highlights packages are for. His highlights package from this season would last 10 seconds and consist of 2 crosses!! We got Grant for £2m because even though hed done well at that level, there weren;t a host of clubs in for him an none from the prem but us. Its extremely rare for a striker at that level, even one scoring a lot, to go for anything approaching what we got for Rhodes. Callum wilson was a freescoring striker for Coventry in L1 but only cost Bournemouth £3m.. 2 years after we sold Rhodes. Like i said, Im not going by what hes supposed to be like, or what a highlight package suggests hes been like with very selective editing.. Im just going by what he WAS like. We payed £2m for Grant, but if he shows as little as Mbenza has done, it will be a big disappointment. Allegedly paid £2 million. Neither the Town website or the BBC website say anything other than undisclosed. We must of signed him on a free then eh?
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 18, 2019 19:03:35 GMT 1
I hadn't realised he was quite that bitter about us getting shut of Ince for not being up to the job 😉 Funny you should mention Ince, a good example of a player who IS worth £12M in this market. Compare and contrast, last seasons contribution from Ince vs this seasons contribution from Mbenza. The ultimate no brainer (for some). One is a proven top quality championship performer over many seasons at different clubs, the other has failed to make any impact whatsoever in English football except for one cross, a couple of corners and one take on at Old Trafford Before you say it again I know you're still really pleased we sold Ince and you ( convinced yourself) think it was the right decision, not good enough blah blah blah Maybe we'll see both on the same pitch next season although Im sure you'll stick to your guns even if Ince scores a first half hatrick and Mbenza gets the hook after 20 mins! Point is nobody in their right mind will be spending £12M on Mbenza unless its already a done deal. But mbenza has only cost us 2 million. Apparently, so whatscyiur point.
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 18, 2019 19:07:15 GMT 1
Massive mistake letting Ince go imo. I could have understood if we had signed an upgrade but we clearly did not do that. (By that I mean someone ready to go straight into the first team) He was a constant threat last season and I thought very unlucky with his finishing on a number of occasions. Examples of players we should of signed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 19:16:43 GMT 1
Allegedly paid £2 million. Neither the Town website or the BBC website say anything other than undisclosed. We must *of signed him on a free then eh? Could have been £5 million then eh? *have
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 18, 2019 19:23:09 GMT 1
We must *of signed him on a free then eh? Could have been £5 million then eh? *have Struggling to understand your point tbh.🤔🤔
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 19:30:29 GMT 1
Could have been £5 million then eh? *have Struggling to understand your point tbh.🤔🤔 As neither the club or news channels state what we paid, how can anybody state with any conviction what we actually paid for him? My point is some people make a guess or accept a rumour and we can all do that. Any advance on £5 million?
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Post by bacuna on Feb 18, 2019 19:38:27 GMT 1
The whole team there is massively under achieving eh, I don't think you can read much into it. His record prior to this season at that level is as good as you'll see. He's also scored 6 goals in a shit team so its not exactly disastrous! We're grading our wingers on the number of good crosses and corners they've delivered and the number still isn't 6! You said he was worth 12 million. That's 2 million a goal in the championship! We're gonna need two types of personality next year. Fighters like Hogg and (in his quiet way) Mooy, and kids still fresh enough to think that if they shine they could be playing in the top six in a year or two. It will be a grind. Journeymen who are stars 'at that level' like Ince (and probably Prictchard, but I hope I'm wrong) are a luxury we won't be able to afford any more than Stoke could.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2019 19:43:52 GMT 1
Massive mistake letting Ince go imo. I could have understood if we had signed an upgrade but we clearly did not do that. (By that I mean someone ready to go straight into the first team) He was a constant threat last season and I thought very unlucky with his finishing on a number of occasions. With his shooting he was only a constant threat to anyone sat at the back of the stand
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Post by tomal2 on Feb 18, 2019 20:24:21 GMT 1
In a world where teams get 100m for coming last, and another £45m the following season, in a world where a teenager can go for £180m, where £2m allegedly gets you Aaron Ramsey’s services for just five weeks, any player with Mbenza’s potential, or Ince’s experience, is worth a lot more than £2m unfortunately.
I wouldn’t swap Mbenza for Ince now. Mbenza could be a world beater yet. Ince has shown he never will be.
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Post by royrace on Feb 18, 2019 20:33:33 GMT 1
The whole team there is massively under achieving eh, I don't think you can read much into it. His record prior to this season at that level is as good as you'll see. He's also scored 6 goals in a shit team so its not exactly disastrous! We're grading our wingers on the number of good crosses and corners they've delivered and the number still isn't 6! What did Ince contribute last season? That Watford goal saved him being seen as one of our worst ever signings given the amount we paid for him He didn't even dare try to take his man on. He'll never come close to making it above the Championship because he is far too slow. Mbenza and Diakhaby have a far better chance If you cant see what ince contributed last season then I can’t help you. And to say he’d be one of our worst ever signings had he not scored against Watford is just brainless, sorry. You then go on to say 2 players costing a combined £20m who have barely been able to get a game have a better chance. Based on what exactly?? Your own imagination?
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Post by est1908 on Feb 18, 2019 20:36:04 GMT 1
Can this thread be demerged back in to a Diakhaby thread??
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Post by ritchie on Feb 18, 2019 20:40:43 GMT 1
Do you have to have seen it live? You can see this from his highlights reel when we signed him - and no im not advocating signing him on that alone - theres something there to work with. I mention the crossing because VLP was a very important outlet in our promotion season and couldnt even cross a ball. I can see the raw attributes for mbenza potentially doing that job better than VLP Second bold is just ridiculous. Grant had 6months on his contract, you'd be looking at double that minimum if not. Its not a yardstick. we sold a striker banging them in in L1 for 8m. mbenza cost a pretty savvy club nearly 2m when they signed him from a teams bench, he then did well at a good level. 2 million for a winger that scored 3 in 12 starts then 10 in 26 starts, in a much higher quality league than L1, would be considered good business by most folk. Your valuations are about 12 years out of date Now yes if we could get out of the deal for 11m id assess our options as the brass might be better spent, but if we signed him for 2m i'd be very excited to see what he could do. Do you not think its pretty ridiculous to judge our attacking players on this season? If not, what is pritchards worth? should we sell for 2m based on this season? or would it make more sense to take into account the previous record in a not so difficult league, for teams that attack properly? You'd rather go by a highlights video rather than watching him live? You could put together a highlights package that makes Ishmael Miller look like Harry Kane! Thats what highlights packages are for. His highlights package from this season would last 10 seconds and consist of 2 crosses!! We got Grant for £2m because even though hed done well at that level, there weren;t a host of clubs in for him an none from the prem but us. Its extremely rare for a striker at that level, even one scoring a lot, to go for anything approaching what we got for Rhodes. Callum wilson was a freescoring striker for Coventry in L1 but only cost Bournemouth £3m.. 2 years after we sold Rhodes. Like i said, Im not going by what hes supposed to be like, or what a highlight package suggests hes been like with very selective editing.. Im just going by what he WAS like. We payed £2m for Grant, but if he shows as little as Mbenza has done, it will be a big disappointment. Thats a spectacular jump from what I said. Which was merely that there is evidence to take into account that suggests he's better than what we've seen so far. Im confused where this Grant business is going, if you honestly think a winger who has a comparable goal scoring record in Ligue 1 as a league 1 striker with 6 months left on his contract then i'm not sure what you judge it on........in saying that, seems you judge their worth simply on what YOUVE seen, which would make grant worth about 2 quid? You plucked 2m out of your arse and are now comparing it to callum wilsons move 5 years ago, again odd Skirted the rest of my post, which was simply trying to make the point that lets not purely judge these players on an absolute disaster of a 6 months when there is evidence to suggest they can do better. We might well have overpaid on him, time will tell, but to suggest that multiple scouts opinions on him would over value a player by about 13 million pounds (in a 15million pounds deal) is really pushing it for me, which is why i'll hold judgement
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Post by royrace on Feb 18, 2019 20:44:14 GMT 1
The whole team there is massively under achieving eh, I don't think you can read much into it. His record prior to this season at that level is as good as you'll see. He's also scored 6 goals in a shit team so its not exactly disastrous! We're grading our wingers on the number of good crosses and corners they've delivered and the number still isn't 6! You said he was worth 12 million. That's 2 million a goal in the championship! We're gonna need two types of personality next year. Fighters like Hogg and (in his quiet way) Mooy, and kids still fresh enough to think that if they shine they could be playing in the top six in a year or two. It will be a grind. Journeymen who are stars 'at that level' like Ince (and probably Prictchard, but I hope I'm wrong) are a luxury we won't be able to afford any more than Stoke could. Inces attitude at town was never under question, he was a valuable character at the club, on a par with Hogg, Mooy and other senior pros and yet you compare him unfavourably with 2 lads who have spent more time out of the match day squad than in it There’s no basis to your argument whatsoever just this feeling that somehow the new lads are going to go from premier league failures to championship superstars in the closed season. They’re gonna be so good they’re gonna make 2 of the championships best midfielders over the past 4 season look like useless journeymen! It’s a fairy story! This season has done strange things to people’s perceptions.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 18, 2019 20:50:42 GMT 1
You said he was worth 12 million. That's 2 million a goal in the championship! We're gonna need two types of personality next year. Fighters like Hogg and (in his quiet way) Mooy, and kids still fresh enough to think that if they shine they could be playing in the top six in a year or two. It will be a grind. Journeymen who are stars 'at that level' like Ince (and probably Prictchard, but I hope I'm wrong) are a luxury we won't be able to afford any more than Stoke could. Inces attitude at town was never under question, he was a valuable character at the club, on a par with Hogg, Mooy and other senior pros and yet you compare him unfavourably with 2 lads who have spent more time out of the match day squad than in it There’s no basis to your argument whatsoever just this feeling that somehow the new lads are going to go from premier league failures to championship superstars in the closed season. They’re gonna be so good they’re gonna make 2 of the championships best midfielders over the past 4 season look like useless journeymen! It’s a fairy story! This season has done strange things to people’s perceptions. Diakhaby looked more like a Premier League winger against Arsenal than Ince ever managed. He would get the ball and take the easiest option which was usually a sideways pass. He would never try to take his man on because he knew he wasn't good enough to and by the end of the season his confidence was rock bottom. I bet he couldn't wait to get back in to the Championship It's all a bit of a pointless argument at the moment as we've hardly seen Mbenza and Diakhaby thanks to Wagner but from the little I have seen both will have far better careers than Ince. Let's revisit this in 12 months time
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Post by bacuna on Feb 18, 2019 20:51:07 GMT 1
You said he was worth 12 million. That's 2 million a goal in the championship! We're gonna need two types of personality next year. Fighters like Hogg and (in his quiet way) Mooy, and kids still fresh enough to think that if they shine they could be playing in the top six in a year or two. It will be a grind. Journeymen who are stars 'at that level' like Ince (and probably Prictchard, but I hope I'm wrong) are a luxury we won't be able to afford any more than Stoke could. Inces attitude at town was never under question, he was a valuable character at the club, on a par with Hogg, Mooy and other senior pros and yet you compare him unfavourably with 2 lads who have spent more time out of the match day squad than in it There’s no basis to your argument whatsoever just this feeling that somehow the new lads are going to go from premier league failures to championship superstars in the closed season. They’re gonna be so good they’re gonna make 2 of the championships best midfielders over the past 4 season look like useless journeymen! It’s a fairy story! This season has done strange things to people’s perceptions. Nothing to do with Diakbenza. Ince looks like a useless journeyman all by himself. And saying he was ever on a par with Hogg and Mooy in our side is delusional. He spent a whole season just 'about to come good' and is still doing the same now. Overpriced tat
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2019 21:49:25 GMT 1
You said he was worth 12 million. That's 2 million a goal in the championship! We're gonna need two types of personality next year. Fighters like Hogg and (in his quiet way) Mooy, and kids still fresh enough to think that if they shine they could be playing in the top six in a year or two. It will be a grind. Journeymen who are stars 'at that level' like Ince (and probably Prictchard, but I hope I'm wrong) are a luxury we won't be able to afford any more than Stoke could. Inces attitude at town was never under question, he was a valuable character at the club, on a par with Hogg, Mooy and other senior pros and yet you compare him unfavourably with 2 lads who have spent more time out of the match day squad than in it There’s no basis to your argument whatsoever just this feeling that somehow the new lads are going to go from premier league failures to championship superstars in the closed season. They’re gonna be so good they’re gonna make 2 of the championships best midfielders over the past 4 season look like useless journeymen! It’s a fairy story! This season has done strange things to people’s perceptions. You're the only one to put him on a par with Hogg and Mooy, his attitude might not have been under question but his ability was. "The Championships best midfielders of the last 4 years" have both been found wanting at PL level, not for the first time either for one of them.
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Post by Town Duppy on Feb 19, 2019 0:11:19 GMT 1
Can this thread be demerged back in to a Diakhaby thread?? That would be weird............
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 19, 2019 0:21:23 GMT 1
You'd rather go by a highlights video rather than watching him live? You could put together a highlights package that makes Ishmael Miller look like Harry Kane! Thats what highlights packages are for. His highlights package from this season would last 10 seconds and consist of 2 crosses!! We got Grant for £2m because even though hed done well at that level, there weren;t a host of clubs in for him an none from the prem but us. Its extremely rare for a striker at that level, even one scoring a lot, to go for anything approaching what we got for Rhodes. Callum wilson was a freescoring striker for Coventry in L1 but only cost Bournemouth £3m.. 2 years after we sold Rhodes. Like i said, Im not going by what hes supposed to be like, or what a highlight package suggests hes been like with very selective editing.. Im just going by what he WAS like. We payed £2m for Grant, but if he shows as little as Mbenza has done, it will be a big disappointment. Thats a spectacular jump from what I said. Which was merely that there is evidence to take into account that suggests he's better than what we've seen so far. Im confused where this Grant business is going, if you honestly think a winger who has a comparable goal scoring record in Ligue 1 as a league 1 striker with 6 months left on his contract then i'm not sure what you judge it on........in saying that, seems you judge their worth simply on what YOUVE seen, which would make grant worth about 2 quid? You plucked 2m out of your arse and are now comparing it to callum wilsons move 5 years ago, again odd Skirted the rest of my post, which was simply trying to make the point that lets not purely judge these players on an absolute disaster of a 6 months when there is evidence to suggest they can do better. We might well have overpaid on him, time will tell, but to suggest that multiple scouts opinions on him would over value a player by about 13 million pounds (in a 15million pounds deal) is really pushing it for me, which is why i'll hold judgement Im not really looking for a row about it. Ive not seen him do anything at all to suggest hes worth more than about £2m. Thats all Im saying. Neither have you IMO. If Im judging him, Id rather go by what Ive seen him do than a highlights reel or the bizarre amount his former club value him at. You can go on about tactics not suiting him if you like, but for me that doesn;t excuse his lack of quality on the ball, poor movement and absolutely incredible ability to avoid getting hurt. The Grant thing is going nowhere other than I believed we payed about £2m for him ( apologies if thats not right ) but if we did and hed looked as poor as Mbenza has, then Id be disappointed for that kind of money. If you think Mbenza is worth more then fine. But IMO he hasn;'t shown anything to suggest he is. I hope Im eating my words this time next year if we sign him. By god i hope I am if we end up paying £12m for him!!
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Post by ritchie on Feb 19, 2019 0:25:22 GMT 1
Thats a spectacular jump from what I said. Which was merely that there is evidence to take into account that suggests he's better than what we've seen so far. Im confused where this Grant business is going, if you honestly think a winger who has a comparable goal scoring record in Ligue 1 as a league 1 striker with 6 months left on his contract then i'm not sure what you judge it on........in saying that, seems you judge their worth simply on what YOUVE seen, which would make grant worth about 2 quid? You plucked 2m out of your arse and are now comparing it to callum wilsons move 5 years ago, again odd Skirted the rest of my post, which was simply trying to make the point that lets not purely judge these players on an absolute disaster of a 6 months when there is evidence to suggest they can do better. We might well have overpaid on him, time will tell, but to suggest that multiple scouts opinions on him would over value a player by about 13 million pounds (in a 15million pounds deal) is really pushing it for me, which is why i'll hold judgement Im not really looking for a row about it. Ive not seen him do anything at all to suggest hes worth more than about £2m. Thats all Im saying. Neither have you IMO. If Im judging him, Id rather go by what Ive seen him do than a highlights reel or the bizarre amount his former club value him at. You can go on about tactics not suiting him if you like, but for me that doesn;t excuse his lack of quality on the ball, poor movement and absolutely incredible ability to avoid getting hurt. The Grant thing is going nowhere other than I believed we payed about £2m for him ( apologies if thats not right ) but if we did and hed looked as poor as Mbenza has, then Id be disappointed for that kind of money. If you think Mbenza is worth more then fine. But IMO he hasn;'t shown anything to suggest he is. I hope Im eating my words this time next year if we sign him. By god i hope I am if we end up paying £12m for him!! Fair point was a bit of a pointless argument to be fair.
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Post by royrace on Feb 19, 2019 10:03:28 GMT 1
Inces attitude at town was never under question, he was a valuable character at the club, on a par with Hogg, Mooy and other senior pros and yet you compare him unfavourably with 2 lads who have spent more time out of the match day squad than in it There’s no basis to your argument whatsoever just this feeling that somehow the new lads are going to go from premier league failures to championship superstars in the closed season. They’re gonna be so good they’re gonna make 2 of the championships best midfielders over the past 4 season look like useless journeymen! It’s a fairy story! This season has done strange things to people’s perceptions. Nothing to do with Diakbenza. Ince looks like a useless journeyman all by himself. And saying he was ever on a par with Hogg and Mooy in our side is delusional. He spent a whole season just 'about to come good' and is still doing the same now. Overpriced tat Ince a useless journeyman eh. Ok. I said characterwise he was on a par with those two, I thought it was widely known he was a great pro at town but you seem to have missed it. If diakbenza have as good an impact in the Championship as Ince has over the years I think we'll all be happy. If they do better we'll be ecstatic. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by bacuna on Feb 19, 2019 10:36:43 GMT 1
Nothing to do with Diakbenza. Ince looks like a useless journeyman all by himself. And saying he was ever on a par with Hogg and Mooy in our side is delusional. He spent a whole season just 'about to come good' and is still doing the same now. Overpriced tat Ince a useless journeyman eh. Ok. I said characterwise he was on a par with those two, I thought it was widely known he was a great pro at town but you seem to have missed it. If diakbenza have as good an impact in the Championship as Ince has over the years I think we'll all be happy. If they do better we'll be ecstatic. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Didn't miss it. Just don't believe it.
'Great attacking threat' - but never tries to beat his man - 'helps out defensively' - but fewer tackles per game than VLP - 'great team player' - with no assists in his bloody position (and only 3 in over 2000 minutes this season at a level he's meant to be so good at).
He's not a 'great pro'. He's the bloke at work you see going from A to B with a box in his hand, and then 20 minutes later from B to A. Looks busy. No use. Stealing a living on past glories.
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