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Post by terrier10 on Apr 13, 2019 20:29:23 GMT 1
I’d take a Karanka or a Jokanovic any day over Siewert.
I get there are a lot of the “Merry Go Round” managers out there who I wouldn’t want anywhere near this club, however, I’ve seen or heard nothing from Siewert to inspire me that he can rebuild a squad to have us challenging.
Have willed him to do well but just lost all confidence.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 13, 2019 20:53:41 GMT 1
I’d take a Karanka or a Jokanovic any day over Siewert. I get there are a lot of the “Merry Go Round” managers out there who I wouldn’t want anywhere near this club, however, I’ve seen or heard nothing from Siewert to inspire me that he can rebuild a squad to have us challenging. Have willed him to do well but just lost all confidence. I don't think Jokanovic would have come. He'd have asked how much we were prepared to give him to spend, we'd have said "not much" and that would have been the end of that. |
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Post by joshuajones on Apr 13, 2019 21:08:03 GMT 1
It was the DOF decision to appoint DW. Then he left and went to Norwich, Norwich are now replacing us in the Premier League because we have never bothered to properly replace him.
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Post by billy2403 on Apr 29, 2019 21:41:28 GMT 1
Willi Kronhardt
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 29, 2019 21:49:56 GMT 1
Is that some kind of euphemism?
Biggus Dickus for sporting director perhaps?
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Post by dalesterrier on Apr 29, 2019 22:50:27 GMT 1
Very random if not true so assume it is true! Struggling to find details of him being a sporting director previously |
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Post by midlander on Apr 29, 2019 23:14:49 GMT 1
Chief scout at Lokomotiv Moscow, working under one-time linked Sporting Director Erik Stoffelshaus.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 29, 2019 23:25:10 GMT 1
I'd prefer a Sporting Director who knows the English game and makes full use of the loan system which worked well in the promotion season. We dropped lucky with the likes of Schindler, Lowe & Kachunga when Webber was in charge but we've also signed some right dross from the European Leagues as well.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 29, 2019 23:30:46 GMT 1
Ivan Paurevic top of his list of targets
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 29, 2019 23:33:27 GMT 1
Willi or won't he join us?
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Post by impact on Apr 29, 2019 23:33:41 GMT 1
I'd prefer a Sporting Director who knows the English game and makes full use of the loan system which worked well in the promotion season. We dropped lucky with the likes of Schindler, Lowe & Kachunga when Webber was in charge but we've also signed some right dross from the European Leagues as well. We seemed to have done fine from Germany and pretty awfully from France. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 29, 2019 23:34:19 GMT 1
Chief scout at Lokomotiv Moscow, working under one-time linked Sporting Director Erik Stoffelshaus. Let's take our time, no need for Russian. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 29, 2019 23:36:03 GMT 1
Is that some kind of euphemism? Biggus Dickus for sporting director perhaps? He's being released always injured! |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 30, 2019 0:22:53 GMT 1
Is that some kind of euphemism? Biggus Dickus for sporting director perhaps? He's being released always injured! welease is wodger |
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 30, 2019 7:37:26 GMT 1
I'd prefer a Sporting Director who knows the English game and makes full use of the loan system which worked well in the promotion season. We dropped lucky with the likes of Schindler, Lowe & Kachunga when Webber was in charge but we've also signed some right dross from the European Leagues as well. ... and Hefele, Brown, Ward and Mooy. Oh, and Kasey Palmer, and if it wasn't for that other signing - Big Collin rampaging down the wing at Hillsborough, we'ed have never got to the Play Off final. As far as the European dross is concerned, looking through the squad there was only Ivan Paurevic, who didn't feature, couldn't settle and was sold. I'm trying to think of the other European dross! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 9:19:52 GMT 1
I gather this position is on hold and will be chosen by the new owner and is not "Sporting Director". Got to get this one right, but then look at Man U....what a mess they've made of recruitment and it looks like Rio Ferdinand is in the frame for it. Based on how much experience in the role?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 30, 2019 9:40:54 GMT 1
I'd prefer a Sporting Director who knows the English game and makes full use of the loan system which worked well in the promotion season. We dropped lucky with the likes of Schindler, Lowe & Kachunga when Webber was in charge but we've also signed some right dross from the European Leagues as well. ... and Hefele, Brown, Ward and Mooy. Oh, and Kasey Palmer, and if it wasn't for that other signing - Big Collin rampaging down the wing at Hillsborough, we'ed have never got to the Play Off final. As far as the European dross is concerned, looking through the squad there was only Ivan Paurevic, who didn't feature, couldn't settle and was sold. I'm trying to think of the other European dross! All of the players you mention were signed when Webber was here, a bloke who knew the English league (Ward, Brown & Palmer). You could say that the likes of Mbenza, Diakhaby & Sabiri fall in to the dross class as none have been regular starters & only Diakhaby has shown any sign of promise imo. They're certainly not PL standard (yet). |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 30, 2019 10:53:49 GMT 1
... and Hefele, Brown, Ward and Mooy. Oh, and Kasey Palmer, and if it wasn't for that other signing - Big Collin rampaging down the wing at Hillsborough, we'ed have never got to the Play Off final. As far as the European dross is concerned, looking through the squad there was only Ivan Paurevic, who didn't feature, couldn't settle and was sold. I'm trying to think of the other European dross! All of the players you mention were signed when Webber was here, a bloke who knew the English league (Ward, Brown & Palmer). You could say that the likes of Mbenza, Diakhaby & Sabiri fall in to the dross class as none have been regular starters & only Diakhaby has shown any sign of promise imo. They're certainly not PL standard (yet). To be fair Ward,Brown, and Palmer have not made it in the PL either ( yet) |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 30, 2019 11:08:47 GMT 1
All of the players you mention were signed when Webber was here, a bloke who knew the English league (Ward, Brown & Palmer). You could say that the likes of Mbenza, Diakhaby & Sabiri fall in to the dross class as none have been regular starters & only Diakhaby has shown any sign of promise imo. They're certainly not PL standard (yet). To be fair Ward,Brown, and Palmer have not made it in the PL either ( yet) But we didn't sign them for the Premier League. They were all signed on loan in our Championship promotion season, which is the point I was trying to make in my original post. In my opinion we need somebody who knows the English leagues with a view to getting some good players in on loan or as in the case of Grant, a very affordable young, hungry player from the lower leagues. I'm not saying we should abandon our policy of signing foreign players, but we've become far too reliant on it. |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 30, 2019 11:15:37 GMT 1
To be fair Ward,Brown, and Palmer have not made it in the PL either ( yet) But we didn't sign them for the Premier League. They were all signed on loan in our Championship promotion season, which is the point I was trying to make in my original post. In my opinion we need somebody who knows the English leagues with a view to getting some good players in on loan or as in the case of Grant, a very affordable young, hungry player from the lower leagues. I'm not saying we should abandon our policy of signing foreign players, but we've become far too reliant on it. Unfortunately the market dictates that most teams have to do business abroad and its a much bigger market. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 30, 2019 11:20:21 GMT 1
The real trick of a sporting director/DOF is contacts, who they know, who they trust and who is a good judge of a player. The ability to identify young English players either available on loan or to sign from lower leagues is absolutely key. The network has to extend across Europe and the world.
Agents play a big part too, working with them is absolutely key to role.
It's not all about how much you pay, it's about knowing who is the best value for what you need. Not an easy job and that is why having someone established and working towards next season is massively important.
Whoever comes in now really needs to be able to hit the ground running and at pace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 11:26:46 GMT 1
The real trick of a sporting director/DOF is contacts, who they know, who they trust and who is a good judge of a player. The ability to identify young English players either available on loan or to sign from lower leagues is absolutely key. The network has to extend across Europe and the world. Agents play a big part too, working with them is absolutely key to role. It's not all about how much you pay, it's about knowing who is the best value for what you need. Not an easy job and that is why having someone established and working towards next season is massively important. Whoever comes in now really needs to be able to hit the ground running and at pace. there working on it now |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 11:59:22 GMT 1
The real trick of a sporting director/DOF is contacts, who they know, who they trust and who is a good judge of a player. The ability to identify young English players either available on loan or to sign from lower leagues is absolutely key. The network has to extend across Europe and the world. Agents play a big part too, working with them is absolutely key to role. It's not all about how much you pay, it's about knowing who is the best value for what you need. Not an easy job and that is why having someone established and working towards next season is massively important. Whoever comes in now really needs to be able to hit the ground running and at pace. The D/H OFO is not just about recruitment. It's everything else that happens off the field. Medics, performance coaches, analysts, nutrition, training facilities etc etc. |
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Post by townatheart on Apr 30, 2019 12:08:20 GMT 1
The real trick of a sporting director/DOF is contacts, who they know, who they trust and who is a good judge of a player. The ability to identify young English players either available on loan or to sign from lower leagues is absolutely key. The network has to extend across Europe and the world. Agents play a big part too, working with them is absolutely key to role. It's not all about how much you pay, it's about knowing who is the best value for what you need. Not an easy job and that is why having someone established and working towards next season is massively important. Whoever comes in now really needs to be able to hit the ground running and at pace. The D/H OFO is not just about recruitment. It's everything else that happens off the field. Medics, performance coaches, analysts, nutrition, training facilities etc etc. And I think it safe to say that working very closely with the Manager/Head Coach is a rather critical part of the function as well. |
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Post by kindo on Apr 30, 2019 12:22:45 GMT 1
Has it been mentioned about Winkler becoming Director of Football? Maybe putting two and two together, blah, blah...
They've worked together before and he has been kept under the radar since arriving, but had a reputation for being superb with the press at Barnsley
Was in charge of Academy for 14 years at Rot-Weiss Essen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 12:27:09 GMT 1
Has it been mentioned about Winkler becoming Director of Football? Maybe putting two and two together, blah, blah... They've worked together before and he has been kept under the radar since arriving, but had a reputation for being superb with the press at Barnsley Was in charge of Academy for 14 years at Rot-Weiss Essen. Just a thought It has been speculated on here. But, that is a much lower level than we are looking for. If he was up to the job, surely he'd have progressed above the academy.
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Post by kindo on Apr 30, 2019 12:32:10 GMT 1
He ended up Director of Football there working with Siewert
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 30, 2019 17:56:52 GMT 1
I’d take a Karanka or a Jokanovic any day over Siewert. I get there are a lot of the “Merry Go Round” managers out there who I wouldn’t want anywhere near this club, however, I’ve seen or heard nothing from Siewert to inspire me that he can rebuild a squad to have us challenging. Have willed him to do well but just lost all confidence. I don't think Jokanovic would have come. He'd have asked how much we were prepared to give him to spend, we'd have said "not much" and that would have been the end of that. That's a big problem for any perspective manager isn't it? We seem unwilling to spend money on quality players. The club is the richest it's ever been why won't we buy quality players? Personally I think Wagner wanted some money and that's why he left because judging by the January window business ie Puncheon and the lack of anything else other than the signing of Grant which I'm not criticising by the way but we didn't seem to want to give him any. We then appoint a German 4th division manager who had managed Dortmund's stiffs, of course the guy is going to jump at the chance. I'd love to see this guy's wish list for players for next season, cos I'm worried about who he wants to bring in. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 30, 2019 18:11:25 GMT 1
I don't think Jokanovic would have come. He'd have asked how much we were prepared to give him to spend, we'd have said "not much" and that would have been the end of that. That's a big problem for any perspective manager isn't it? We seem unwilling to spend money on quality players. The club is the richest it's ever been why won't we buy quality players? Personally I think Wagner wanted some money and that's why he left because judging by the January window business ie Puncheon and the lack of anything else other than the signing of Grant which I'm not criticising by the way but we didn't seem to want to give him any. We then appoint a German 4th division manager who had managed Dortmund's stiffs, of course the guy is going to jump at the chance. I'd love to see this guy's wish list for players for next season, cos I'm worried about who he wants to bring in. That's right Art, but doesn't mean we have to go and throw money at getting a 'name' in, unless that name is Lionel Messi... (I get that I'm exaggerating the point there) The reason the Jan window was such a damp squib might have been more to do with the fact that we were managerless half way through the month. Given that DH was only just returning to some degree of better health at that point, what were the club supposed to do, it was a difficult situation? The Grant signing, for the reported fee, was probably a no-brainer given our strikeforce, Puncheon equally just a punt worth trying. I'm not sure why we have to throw money at something, just because we have the money. There are plenty of clubs that are a prime example of what can happen if you act like a kid in a sweet shop... |
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 30, 2019 19:14:21 GMT 1
The real trick of a sporting director/DOF is contacts, who they know, who they trust and who is a good judge of a player. The ability to identify young English players either available on loan or to sign from lower leagues is absolutely key. The network has to extend across Europe and the world. Agents play a big part too, working with them is absolutely key to role. It's not all about how much you pay, it's about knowing who is the best value for what you need. Not an easy job and that is why having someone established and working towards next season is massively important. Whoever comes in now really needs to be able to hit the ground running and at pace. there working on it now It should have already been sorted |
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