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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 19:20:39 GMT 1
It should have already been sorted If there is a takeover in the pipeline it may well be the reason for the delay. |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 30, 2019 19:57:28 GMT 1
It should have already been sorted Not so easy to find the right guy for this job anyone of any note will be contracted to other clubs. Plus we need a guy who will stick around. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 30, 2019 20:37:02 GMT 1
That's a big problem for any perspective manager isn't it? We seem unwilling to spend money on quality players. The club is the richest it's ever been why won't we buy quality players? Personally I think Wagner wanted some money and that's why he left because judging by the January window business ie Puncheon and the lack of anything else other than the signing of Grant which I'm not criticising by the way but we didn't seem to want to give him any. We then appoint a German 4th division manager who had managed Dortmund's stiffs, of course the guy is going to jump at the chance. I'd love to see this guy's wish list for players for next season, cos I'm worried about who he wants to bring in. That's right Art, but doesn't mean we have to go and throw money at getting a 'name' in, unless that name is Lionel Messi... (I get that I'm exaggerating the point there) The reason the Jan window was such a damp squib might have been more to do with the fact that we were managerless half way through the month. Given that DH was only just returning to some degree of better health at that point, what were the club supposed to do, it was a difficult situation? The Grant signing, for the reported fee, was probably a no-brainer given our strikeforce, Puncheon equally just a punt worth trying. I'm not sure why we have to throw money at something, just because we have the money. There are plenty of clubs that are a prime example of what can happen if you act like a kid in a sweet shop... I'm not talking about throwing money around but for any kind of decent shot at returning is going to need quality, a commodity that's thin on the ground currently. To me there's no point having all this money, keeping it in the bank then in 5 seasons it's all gone because we haven't utilised it to make a decent attempt to get back in to the PL. It'll be a question 'of what might have been'. The club are so risk averse in the transfer market it's untrue. I personally think Wagner left because he wasn't getting any money to spend in the window, he only agreed to stay on initially because he is matey with Dean. The whole sleepwalking in to relegation statement by the club was baloney, why say that then sign no one? Puncheon is a past it journeyman whatever possessed them to bring him in? |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 30, 2019 20:48:01 GMT 1
That's right Art, but doesn't mean we have to go and throw money at getting a 'name' in, unless that name is Lionel Messi... (I get that I'm exaggerating the point there) The reason the Jan window was such a damp squib might have been more to do with the fact that we were managerless half way through the month. Given that DH was only just returning to some degree of better health at that point, what were the club supposed to do, it was a difficult situation? The Grant signing, for the reported fee, was probably a no-brainer given our strikeforce, Puncheon equally just a punt worth trying. I'm not sure why we have to throw money at something, just because we have the money. There are plenty of clubs that are a prime example of what can happen if you act like a kid in a sweet shop... I'm not talking about throwing money around but for any kind of decent shot at returning is going to need quality, a commodity that's thin on the ground currently. To me there's no point having all this money, keeping it in the bank then in 5 seasons it's all gone because we haven't utilised it to make a decent attempt to get back in to the PL. It'll be a question 'of what might have been'. The club are so risk averse in the transfer market it's untrue. I personally think Wagner left because he wasn't getting any money to spend in the window, he only agreed to stay on initially because he is matey with Dean. The whole sleepwalking in to relegation statement by the club was baloney, why say that then sign no one? Puncheon is a past it journeyman whatever possessed them to bring him in? Any chance of survival had virtually disappeared and so had finding any player of note willing to join us. In reality we were screwed. |
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Post by ritchie on Apr 30, 2019 20:50:05 GMT 1
I'd prefer a Sporting Director who knows the English game and makes full use of the loan system which worked well in the promotion season. We dropped lucky with the likes of Schindler, Lowe & Kachunga when Webber was in charge but we've also signed some right dross from the European Leagues as well. get your point but dont think i agree, think a continental appointment (providing they are competent) opens more doors. generally speaking european clubs have a more modern and shrewd approach to over here and can add a wider wealth of knowledge. I'd hope our scouting network has the english market covered (grant a good example). how can you say we got lucky with european signings (schindler, lowe, kachunga, hefele), but utilised the english loan system well? (brown, palmer) despite the hysterics of this season we've done pretty well shopping in europe overall |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 30, 2019 21:52:40 GMT 1
That's right Art, but doesn't mean we have to go and throw money at getting a 'name' in, unless that name is Lionel Messi... (I get that I'm exaggerating the point there) The reason the Jan window was such a damp squib might have been more to do with the fact that we were managerless half way through the month. Given that DH was only just returning to some degree of better health at that point, what were the club supposed to do, it was a difficult situation? The Grant signing, for the reported fee, was probably a no-brainer given our strikeforce, Puncheon equally just a punt worth trying. I'm not sure why we have to throw money at something, just because we have the money. There are plenty of clubs that are a prime example of what can happen if you act like a kid in a sweet shop... I'm not talking about throwing money around but for any kind of decent shot at returning is going to need quality, a commodity that's thin on the ground currently. To me there's no point having all this money, keeping it in the bank then in 5 seasons it's all gone because we haven't utilised it to make a decent attempt to get back in to the PL. It'll be a question 'of what might have been'. The club are so risk averse in the transfer market it's untrue. I personally think Wagner left because he wasn't getting any money to spend in the window, he only agreed to stay on initially because he is matey with Dean. The whole sleepwalking in to relegation statement by the club was baloney, why say that then sign no one? Puncheon is a past it journeyman whatever possessed them to bring him in? I don't think we are risk averse though. We've spent decent money on some lads, more than at any time in our history. We've just had an incredibly poor season that is creating the perception that some of those signings are worse than they actually are. As much as you can see the value in the Callum Wilson's of the world, there are probably just as many, if not more, expensive signings that have flopped at clubs. It's really difficult getting it right nowadays, partly because bigger clubs can afford to have much bigger feeder systems, so talent gets hoarded and clubs like Town have much less of a market place. I know football is much more global now, so the net can be cast further, but the bigger clubs also have a lot of those avenues tied up. If anything, the biggest blocker is that we're probably not prepared to break a wage structure, which I agree with. That semi level playing field should build a decent dressing room. The issue this season has been the second season syndrome which many warned of. The  of the  we rode into 2017/2018 turned into the of relief going into 2018/2019. I'm looking forward to next season, think it will refresh the club and the supporters... |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 30, 2019 22:44:46 GMT 1
I'd prefer a Sporting Director who knows the English game and makes full use of the loan system which worked well in the promotion season. We dropped lucky with the likes of Schindler, Lowe & Kachunga when Webber was in charge but we've also signed some right dross from the European Leagues as well. get your point but dont think i agree, think a continental appointment (providing they are competent) opens more doors. generally speaking european clubs have a more modern and shrewd approach to over here and can add a wider wealth of knowledge. I'd hope our scouting network has the english market covered (grant a good example). how can you say we got lucky with european signings (schindler, lowe, kachunga, hefele), but utilised the english loan system well? (brown, palmer)
despite the hysterics of this season we've done pretty well shopping in europe overall All signed when Webber was here, An English SP/DOF who knew the English and Foreign markets. Rebbe was a disaster and if rumours are to be belived then it appears we may be going down the foreign route again. Webber mark 2 would be my preference. |
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Post by ritchie on Apr 30, 2019 23:11:04 GMT 1
get your point but dont think i agree, think a continental appointment (providing they are competent) opens more doors. generally speaking european clubs have a more modern and shrewd approach to over here and can add a wider wealth of knowledge. I'd hope our scouting network has the english market covered (grant a good example). how can you say we got lucky with european signings (schindler, lowe, kachunga, hefele), but utilised the english loan system well? (brown, palmer)
despite the hysterics of this season we've done pretty well shopping in europe overall All signed when Webber was here, An English SP/DOF who knew the English and Foreign markets. Rebbe was a disaster and if rumours are to be belived then it appears we may be going down the foreign route again. Webber mark 2 would be my preference. so did we get lucky with our european signings or was it down to webbers brilliance..? we signed more european players than domestic that summer so why does webber being english matter? personally think webber is a bit overrated on here.. he earnt more than his coin bringing wagner in and for that i'll always give him lots of credit, im sure he's good at his job, but people attribute signings weirdly on here. wagner had previous with a lot of the signings that summer and my understanding is brown and palmer were known to the club already, yet webber is attributed all of them as his signings. rebbe on the other hand has signings like sobhi (who was playing in england) attributed to him, grant not attributed, nor much credit if he found bacuna webber was a right nob as well  |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 30, 2019 23:24:39 GMT 1
All signed when Webber was here, An English SP/DOF who knew the English and Foreign markets. Rebbe was a disaster and if rumours are to be belived then it appears we may be going down the foreign route again. Webber mark 2 would be my preference. so did we get lucky with our european signings or was it down to webbers brilliance..? we signed more european players than domestic that summer so why does webber being english matter?
personally think webber is a bit overrated on here.. he earnt more than his coin bringing wagner in and for that i'll always give him lots of credit, im sure he's good at his job, but people attribute signings weirdly on here. wagner had previous with a lot of the signings that summer and my understanding is brown and palmer were known to the club already, yet webber is attributed all of them as his signings. rebbe on the other hand has signings like sobhi (who was playing in england) attributed to him, grant not attributed, nor much credit if he found bacuna webber was a right nob as well In your opinion. In mine he was the best we've had in that role. It matters not whether the guy is English or not as long as he knows the English market. We've wasted the opportunity to sign loan players from Englsih clubs in the last couple of seasons imo. For all the signings we've made this season, apart from those that were here on loan last season, Grant at a bargain £2m has easily been the best one. |
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Post by townrwe on Apr 30, 2019 23:48:58 GMT 1
Rebbe recruited good players for the wrong systems.. the style of football is implemented by the DOF as be should chose the coach (probably suited to his philosophy) and the players to match.
We have fucked up. Should have hired a DOF in Jan and let him get his own man and players in for the new season.
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Post by TTerrier on May 1, 2019 0:33:20 GMT 1
I'm not talking about throwing money around but for any kind of decent shot at returning is going to need quality, a commodity that's thin on the ground currently. To me there's no point having all this money, keeping it in the bank then in 5 seasons it's all gone because we haven't utilised it to make a decent attempt to get back in to the PL. It'll be a question 'of what might have been'. The club are so risk averse in the transfer market it's untrue. I personally think Wagner left because he wasn't getting any money to spend in the window, he only agreed to stay on initially because he is matey with Dean. The whole sleepwalking in to relegation statement by the club was baloney, why say that then sign no one? Puncheon is a past it journeyman whatever possessed them to bring him in? I don't think we are risk averse though. We've spent decent money on some lads, more than at any time in our history. We've just had an incredibly poor season that is creating the perception that some of those signings are worse than they actually are. As much as you can see the value in the Callum Wilson's of the world, there are probably just as many, if not more, expensive signings that have flopped at clubs. It's really difficult getting it right nowadays, partly because bigger clubs can afford to have much bigger feeder systems, so talent gets hoarded and clubs like Town have much less of a market place. I know football is much more global now, so the net can be cast further, but the bigger clubs also have a lot of those avenues tied up. If anything, the biggest blocker is that we're probably not prepared to break a wage structure, which I agree with. That semi level playing field should build a decent dressing room. The issue this season has been the second season syndrome which many warned of. The of the we rode into 2017/2018 turned into the of relief going into 2018/2019. I'm looking forward to next season, think it will refresh the club and the supporters... Fantastic post. So tired of hearing “why don’t we sign xyz” Because they’re on huge fucking wages and most likely huge agents fees to boot. Dean has always had a structure. He wouldn’t sign Ricky Lambert in league one as Saints came in with a big offer that we couldn’t match without killing the wage structure. He was always adamant about spending what you can afford. No town fan can complain about this considering what’s happened within the last 3 years. For me the real down fall has unfortunately been Dean’s ill health (therefore lack of leadership in the club) along with ONE poor summer transfer dealings. We’re also fighting in a league where Chelsea spent £70m on Mortata only to be deemed 18 months later not good enough and shipped elsewhere - with higuain coming in as replacement. Some fans need a reality check |
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Post by TTerrier on May 1, 2019 0:42:40 GMT 1
All signed when Webber was here, An English SP/DOF who knew the English and Foreign markets. Rebbe was a disaster and if rumours are to be belived then it appears we may be going down the foreign route again. Webber mark 2 would be my preference. so did we get lucky with our european signings or was it down to webbers brilliance..? we signed more european players than domestic that summer so why does webber being english matter? personally think webber is a bit overrated on here.. he earnt more than his coin bringing wagner in and for that i'll always give him lots of credit, im sure he's good at his job, but people attribute signings weirdly on here. wagner had previous with a lot of the signings that summer and my understanding is brown and palmer were known to the club already, yet webber is attributed all of them as his signings. rebbe on the other hand has signings like sobhi (who was playing in england) attributed to him, grant not attributed, nor much credit if he found bacuna webber was a right nob as well If you followed what he’s done with Norwich since he left us you can see how good he is. Ran out of parachute payments, got rid of journeymen on huge wages from the prem, worked with Farke on developing young players (some of them poached, Maddison, Murphy, could argue Pritchard). Created an identify of playing and ethos. Found a couple gems from the German market which he is so obviously fond of and learnt from his time with Wagner. My prediction will be he will go to one of the top clubs |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 1, 2019 6:55:36 GMT 1
I don't think we are risk averse though. We've spent decent money on some lads, more than at any time in our history. We've just had an incredibly poor season that is creating the perception that some of those signings are worse than they actually are. As much as you can see the value in the Callum Wilson's of the world, there are probably just as many, if not more, expensive signings that have flopped at clubs. It's really difficult getting it right nowadays, partly because bigger clubs can afford to have much bigger feeder systems, so talent gets hoarded and clubs like Town have much less of a market place. I know football is much more global now, so the net can be cast further, but the bigger clubs also have a lot of those avenues tied up. If anything, the biggest blocker is that we're probably not prepared to break a wage structure, which I agree with. That semi level playing field should build a decent dressing room. The issue this season has been the second season syndrome which many warned of. The of the we rode into 2017/2018 turned into the of relief going into 2018/2019. I'm looking forward to next season, think it will refresh the club and the supporters... Fantastic post. So tired of hearing “why don’t we sign xyz” Because they’re on huge fucking wages and most likely huge agents fees to boot. Dean has always had a structure. He wouldn’t sign Ricky Lambert in league one as Saints came in with a big offer that we couldn’t match without killing the wage structure. He was always adamant about spending what you can afford. No town fan can complain about this considering what’s happened within the last 3 years. For me the real down fall has unfortunately been Dean’s ill health (therefore lack of leadership in the club) along with ONE poor summer transfer dealings. We’re also fighting in a league where Chelsea spent £70m on Mortata only to be deemed 18 months later not good enough and shipped elsewhere - with higuain coming in as replacement. Some fans need a reality check Why mention Chelsea? We're not in competition with Chelsea for anything? If Crystal Palace were chucking that kind of brass around fair enough but they're not. |
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Post by mrscribbs on May 1, 2019 7:36:11 GMT 1
Think we will struggle to attract players whilst JS is in charge - we might be able to attract by chucking cash but are unlikely to do so and if players have a choice of two or three offering similar terms they are likely to go elsewhere given the lack of morale and lack of man management ( a simple phone call to pretty much any current player would put them off). We will therefore be left with attracting youngsters and obscure unproven foreigners.
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Post by specialun on May 1, 2019 7:54:37 GMT 1
Deans poor recent health has nothing to do with
Weber jumping ship
The last 2 DOF lasting 5/7 months .. a theme here
Bringing in the last DOF with 2 months to go before the season
Taking 7 months to find the last DOF... 3 and counting now
Spending £5m and a loan fee on our attacking options in the summer
The only 2 parts of the shambles off the field of the last 18 months that can be linked to his health are
The daft statement on NYE / the bizarre transfer decisions in January
Hoyle contradicting both Winter and Wagner as to why Wagner left
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:01:42 GMT 1
Think we will struggle to attract players whilst JS is in charge - we might be able to attract by chucking cash but are unlikely to do so and if players have a choice of two or three offering similar terms they are likely to go elsewhere given the lack of morale and lack of man management ( a simple phone call to pretty much any current player would put them off). We will therefore be left with attracting youngsters and obscure unproven foreigners. So what's new?? |
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Post by terrier10 on May 1, 2019 8:17:08 GMT 1
Fantastic post. So tired of hearing “why don’t we sign xyz” Because they’re on huge fucking wages and most likely huge agents fees to boot. Dean has always had a structure. He wouldn’t sign Ricky Lambert in league one as Saints came in with a big offer that we couldn’t match without killing the wage structure. He was always adamant about spending what you can afford. No town fan can complain about this considering what’s happened within the last 3 years. For me the real down fall has unfortunately been Dean’s ill health (therefore lack of leadership in the club) along with ONE poor summer transfer dealings. We’re also fighting in a league where Chelsea spent £70m on Mortata only to be deemed 18 months later not good enough and shipped elsewhere - with higuain coming in as replacement. Some fans need a reality check Why mention Chelsea? We're not in competition with Chelsea for anything? If Crystal Palace were chucking that kind of brass around fair enough but they're not. Palace only throwing around almost twice as much as us in wages last season. The closest team to us have a wage bill 25% bigger. In terms of Crystal Palace’s spending over the last 3 years on an already established squad. Paid Received Net Spend Season 18/19 £9,360,000 £0 £9,360,000 Season 17/18 £36,650,000 £5,300,000 £31,350,000 Season 16/17 £84,500,000 £43,000,000 £41,500,000 |
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Post by detox on May 1, 2019 8:32:58 GMT 1
Palace average attendances are pretty much the same as ours, so they either charge a lot more for tickets, have bigger funding from the owner/sponsorships or they are deeply in debt. Even if we doubled our sc prices we'd only generate £4.5m more which seems chicken feed in context of these numbers. OK they finished a bit higher up the PL table (11th to our 16th) which is worth £2m extra per place (£10m for them) but even so...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:50:00 GMT 1
I don't think Jokanovic would have come. He'd have asked how much we were prepared to give him to spend, we'd have said "not much" and that would have been the end of that. That's a big problem for any perspective manager isn't it? We seem unwilling to spend money on quality players. The club is the richest it's ever been why won't we buy quality players? Personally I think Wagner wanted some money and that's why he left because judging by the January window business ie Puncheon and the lack of anything else other than the signing of Grant which I'm not criticising by the way but we didn't seem to want to give him any. We then appoint a German 4th division manager who had managed Dortmund's stiffs, of course the guy is going to jump at the chance. I'd love to see this guy's wish list for players for next season, cos I'm worried about who he wants to bring in. We didn’t spend in January because we were bottom of the league and Dean had repeatedly said since promotion that in order to aid securing the future of the club we’d only spend large from a position of strength. Wagner was well aware of that policy, as were we all although we may choose to erase it from memory. |
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 8:56:09 GMT 1
Rebbe recruited good players for the wrong systems.. the style of football is implemented by the DOF as be should chose the coach (probably suited to his philosophy) and the players to match. We have fucked up. Should have hired a DOF in Jan and let him get his own man and players in for the new season. Erm, no he didn't, he recruited a load of absolute shyte. This was possibly/probably aided and abetted by the board and its strategic financial planning. IMO Wagner was pissed at this approach right from the summer and had already decided he was flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he wasn't happy from day one and now we all know why, he'd seen in training what we've all now seen on the pitch. Budget or not though there's absolutely no excuse for signing the absolute crap that Rebbe signed, Hamer on a 3 year deal FFS. Overpaying for hopeless players, selling good ones, the list goes on. So who appointed an absolute dud as DoF with a terrible CV whose philosophy didn't align with the coaches, who oversaw the transfers and who presided over the appointment of an unsuitable rookie manager totally out of his depth. I know what my first job would be if I were taking over and that would be to ask those questions because many more dumb decisions such as those and we'll be back in L2 before we know it. |
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 9:00:25 GMT 1
That's a big problem for any perspective manager isn't it? We seem unwilling to spend money on quality players. The club is the richest it's ever been why won't we buy quality players? Personally I think Wagner wanted some money and that's why he left because judging by the January window business ie Puncheon and the lack of anything else other than the signing of Grant which I'm not criticising by the way but we didn't seem to want to give him any. We then appoint a German 4th division manager who had managed Dortmund's stiffs, of course the guy is going to jump at the chance. I'd love to see this guy's wish list for players for next season, cos I'm worried about who he wants to bring in. We didn’t spend in January because we were bottom of the league and Dean had repeatedly said since promotion that in order to aid securing the future of the club we’d only spend large from a position of strength. Wagner was well aware of that policy, as were we all although we may choose to erase it from memory. Spot on, it was too late in January by quite a distance, it would have been massively irresponsible to spend significant money then. The damage was done in the summer. The Mooy injury and idiot refs were the final nails in the coffin. I actually don't think Puncheon would have been a bad addition as a cheap option had Wagner stayed and tbh even if they had thrown a fortune at it who would have wanted to join a sinking ship to get a relegation on their CV? |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on May 1, 2019 9:09:12 GMT 1
Rebbe recruited good players for the wrong systems.. the style of football is implemented by the DOF as be should chose the coach (probably suited to his philosophy) and the players to match. We have fucked up. Should have hired a DOF in Jan and let him get his own man and players in for the new season. Erm, no he didn't, he recruited a load of absolute shyte. This was possibly/probably aided and abetted by the board and its strategic financial planning. IMO Wagner was pissed at this approach right from the summer and had already decided he was flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he wasn't happy from day one and now we all know why, he'd seen in training what we've all now seen on the pitch. Budget or not though there's absolutely no excuse for signing the absolute crap that Rebbe signed, Hamer on a 3 year deal FFS. Overpaying for hopeless players, selling good ones, the list goes on. So who appointed an absolute dud as DoF with a terrible CV whose philosophy didn't align with the coaches, who oversaw the transfers and who presided over the appointment of an unsuitable rookie manager totally out of his depth. I know what my first job would be if I were taking over and that would be to ask those questions because many more dumb decisions such as those and we'll be back in L2 before we know it. I always thought it was Wagner who made the hiring of Rebbe a condition for him signing a 3-yr contract back in summer 2018. Edit: That's how Eurosport saw it, anyhow. www.eurosport.de/fussball/rebbe-wird-neuer-sportdirektor-von-huddersfield-town_sto6762002/story.shtml |
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 9:13:26 GMT 1
Erm, no he didn't, he recruited a load of absolute shyte. This was possibly/probably aided and abetted by the board and its strategic financial planning. IMO Wagner was pissed at this approach right from the summer and had already decided he was flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he wasn't happy from day one and now we all know why, he'd seen in training what we've all now seen on the pitch. Budget or not though there's absolutely no excuse for signing the absolute crap that Rebbe signed, Hamer on a 3 year deal FFS. Overpaying for hopeless players, selling good ones, the list goes on. So who appointed an absolute dud as DoF with a terrible CV whose philosophy didn't align with the coaches, who oversaw the transfers and who presided over the appointment of an unsuitable rookie manager totally out of his depth. I know what my first job would be if I were taking over and that would be to ask those questions because many more dumb decisions such as those and we'll be back in L2 before we know it. I always thought it was Wagner who made the hiring of Rebbe a condition for him signing a 3-yr contract back in summer 2018. I'd not heard that although I did assume it was maybe his decision but only because he was German! Plus I'm guessing it was Wagner who resulted in Moss leaving who actually seemed to have a decent track record. Based on Rebbe's time at Wolsburg I'm absolutely staggered he was hired into the top job at a club competing in the best league in the world. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on May 1, 2019 9:26:44 GMT 1
Erm, no he didn't, he recruited a load of absolute shyte. This was possibly/probably aided and abetted by the board and its strategic financial planning. IMO Wagner was pissed at this approach right from the summer and had already decided he was flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he wasn't happy from day one and now we all know why, he'd seen in training what we've all now seen on the pitch. Budget or not though there's absolutely no excuse for signing the absolute crap that Rebbe signed, Hamer on a 3 year deal FFS. Overpaying for hopeless players, selling good ones, the list goes on. So who appointed an absolute dud as DoF with a terrible CV whose philosophy didn't align with the coaches, who oversaw the transfers and who presided over the appointment of an unsuitable rookie manager totally out of his depth. I know what my first job would be if I were taking over and that would be to ask those questions because many more dumb decisions such as those and we'll be back in L2 before we know it. I always thought it was Wagner who made the hiring of Rebbe a condition for him signing a 3-yr contract back in summer 2018. Edit: That's how Eurosport saw it, anyhow. www.eurosport.de/fussball/rebbe-wird-neuer-sportdirektor-von-huddersfield-town_sto6762002/story.shtmlEdit again for salient part in English: "Wie die Bild-Zeitung berichtete, sei die Verpflichtung Rebbes eine Bedingung von Coach Wagner gewesen, damit der umworbene Coach seinen 2019 auslaufenden Vertrag verlängert." Salient part in English: "Bild (newspaper) reported that the signing of Rebbe was a condition made by the much-liked coach (Wagner) for extending his contract, which was due to run out in 2019". |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on May 1, 2019 9:32:24 GMT 1
I always thought it was Wagner who made the hiring of Rebbe a condition for him signing a 3-yr contract back in summer 2018. I'd not heard that although I did assume it was maybe his decision but only because he was German! Plus I'm guessing it was Wagner who resulted in Moss leaving who actually seemed to have a decent track record. Based on Rebbe's time at Wolsburg I'm absolutely staggered he was hired into the top job at a club competing in the best league in the world. I would guess Rebbe must have impressed DW during his interviews at Wolfsburg a couple of years back when it was looking like DW was going to leave us at one point. Would be funny if they ended up together at Schalke again, though I somehow doubt it :-) |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 1, 2019 9:40:26 GMT 1
Think we will struggle to attract players whilst JS is in charge - we might be able to attract by chucking cash but are unlikely to do so and if players have a choice of two or three offering similar terms they are likely to go elsewhere given the lack of morale and lack of man management ( a simple phone call to pretty much any current player would put them off). We will therefore be left with attracting youngsters and obscure unproven foreigners. How do you know this is the case? We're a team at rock bottom, hardly surprising that it will be affecting the backroom, but not sure how it seems to be common theory that he's not great at man mgmt. He might not be of course, but it all seems to be the usual rumour mill, ignoring the low morale aspect. Mind you, if they phoned a few folk on here they'd run a mile... |
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Post by ram on May 1, 2019 9:47:09 GMT 1
Why mention Chelsea? We're not in competition with Chelsea for anything? If Crystal Palace were chucking that kind of brass around fair enough but they're not. Palace only throwing around almost twice as much as us in wages last season. The closest team to us have a wage bill 25% bigger. In terms of Crystal Palace’s spending over the last 3 years on an already established squad. Paid Received Net Spend Season 18/19 £9,360,000 £0 £9,360,000 Season 17/18 £36,650,000 £5,300,000 £31,350,000 Season 16/17 £84,500,000 £43,000,000 £41,500,000 The wages graph above is sufficient to show why we never sign better players. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 9:50:44 GMT 1
Rebbe recruited good players for the wrong systems.. the style of football is implemented by the DOF as be should chose the coach (probably suited to his philosophy) and the players to match. We have fucked up. Should have hired a DOF in Jan and let him get his own man and players in for the new season. Erm, no he didn't, he recruited a load of absolute shyte. This was possibly/probably aided and abetted by the board and its strategic financial planning. IMO Wagner was pissed at this approach right from the summer and had already decided he was flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he wasn't happy from day one and now we all know why, he'd seen in training what we've all now seen on the pitch. Budget or not though there's absolutely no excuse for signing the absolute crap that Rebbe signed, Hamer on a 3 year deal FFS. Overpaying for hopeless players, selling good ones, the list goes on. So who appointed an absolute dud as DoF with a terrible CV whose philosophy didn't align with the coaches, who oversaw the transfers and who presided over the appointment of an unsuitable rookie manager totally out of his depth. I know what my first job would be if I were taking over and that would be to ask those questions because many more dumb decisions such as those and we'll be back in L2 before we know it. Not sure Rebbe can be culpable for the appointment of Jan. Webber was probably involved with our early interest. Reading what Dean says we've been in communication for quite some time. Early interest in Siewert |
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Post by ben1987 on May 1, 2019 10:09:10 GMT 1
Rebbe recruited good players for the wrong systems.. the style of football is implemented by the DOF as be should chose the coach (probably suited to his philosophy) and the players to match. We have fucked up. Should have hired a DOF in Jan and let him get his own man and players in for the new season. Erm, no he didn't, he recruited a load of absolute shyte. This was possibly/probably aided and abetted by the board and its strategic financial planning. IMO Wagner was pissed at this approach right from the summer and had already decided he was flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he wasn't happy from day one and now we all know why, he'd seen in training what we've all now seen on the pitch. Budget or not though there's absolutely no excuse for signing the absolute crap that Rebbe signed, Hamer on a 3 year deal FFS. Overpaying for hopeless players, selling good ones, the list goes on. So who appointed an absolute dud as DoF with a terrible CV whose philosophy didn't align with the coaches, who oversaw the transfers and who presided over the appointment of an unsuitable rookie manager totally out of his depth. I know what my first job would be if I were taking over and that would be to ask those questions because many more dumb decisions such as those and we'll be back in L2 before we know it. It was Wagner that recommended Rebbe. |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 1, 2019 10:15:44 GMT 1
Palace average attendances are pretty much the same as ours, so they either charge a lot more for tickets, have bigger funding from the owner/sponsorships or they are deeply in debt. Even if we doubled our sc prices we'd only generate £4.5m more which seems chicken feed in context of these numbers. OK they finished a bit higher up the PL table (11th to our 16th) which is worth £2m extra per place (£10m for them) but even so... Not sure how many more times it needs saying on here. As it stands there are 3 teams in the Premier League without billionaire (give or take in Cardiff's case) backing - us, Burnley and Watford. Of those 3 Watford have Udinese and Grenada propping them up with scouting networks and the pick of the best players. The only comparable to us in terms of funding is Burnley, and they've done a great job but in a very different (hoofball) style which I'd argue is much easier to implement on a smaller budget. They also benefit from the stability provided by Dyche being typecast, if he had achieved what he has at Burnley but was foreign and played more stylish football he'd be long gone and the next guy has his work cut out to sustain anything like it. We're a miles bigger club than Bournemouth and despite what the southern biased media would have you believe we're 100% in the same group as Fulham, Cardiff, Brighton, Burnley, Palace and Watford. Wolves, Southampton and Leicester aren't a million miles ahead - all have very recent spells in the third tier behind them. But size means nothing if they have much greater spending power than you. All of them have backing on a totally different scale to us, as that wage bill table shows, it's not even close. Even Burnley's wage bill was 25% higher. To put that into context that's an extra £298,000 a week to spend on players - imagine the difference 3 players on 99k a week could have made to us. That gives you access to Shaqiri/Deulofeu/Wilson level players, and then punts like Diakhaby/Mounie and championship players like VLP are on the bench rather than the first team. Everyone gets giddy at receiving circa £105m a year from the Premier League but forgets that to give yourself a fighting chance the wage bill will then eat the vast majority of that. With decent players costing £20m+ these days that doesn't leave much left for transfers, without money no object owners piling in... We've undoubtedly made mistakes and looking at the wage bills Wagner was in a knife fight with a toothpick, but the other problem is that we were away for so long that the infrastructure (ground, training, scouting network, marketing, general staffing levels etc) was also massively behind the required standard. It's not like we were ever planning for the Premier League whilst in the championship like Brighton were. That's taken a fair chunk of the money that had we not being away for 45 years probably could have been spent on wages/signings. What hopefully happens now is that we up our game to become the sort of club that can challenge to be in the premier league on a fairly regular basis (WBA, Norwich etc), rather than one that appears once in a generation due to some miracle working. That said, without the backing discussed we will always be massively up against it once (if) we do get back. Going back to the director of football, this has been a massive fuck up ever since Webber left. I can only hope the delay this time is down to the potential takeover, but given we've operated without one for over 50% of the time since he left, it seems more like a massive blind spot to me. As much as Dean Hoyle has been amazing for this club, the thought of him and Winter "pitching in" doesn't fill me with much confidence. It's not their skillset, and given our budget limitations we need to be bang on it and getting far more right than wrong in order to succeed. |
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