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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:32:07 GMT 1
2. He'll have money to spend, and didn't some inside source say that the plan is for this money to last us 10 years? Probably the healthiest situation of any club that has been relegated from the PL. . If the plan is to use the two years EPL money (£40m (assuming this years operating profit is similar to last year) plus or minus whatever we’ve made/lost in the transfer market) to ensure the survival of the club for the next ten years, then he’ll have nothing to spend. Parachutes more or less soaked up by the increased operating costs that the club now holds. That theoretical £200m soon goes when you’ve blasted £60m of it up a wall and suddenly find you need £50m a year instead of £17m just to tick over to get through the next 2 seasons.
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Post by alexdire on Apr 1, 2019 9:55:33 GMT 1
The following is in the Times
Huddersfield coach faces axe in player revolt after relegation
Jan Siewert’s future at Huddersfield Town is in doubt after their relegation from the Premier League, owing to a collapse of his relationship with the club’s senior players. The German head coach, who replaced David Wagner in January, is understood to have alienated players with a hardline approach since his appointment, having presided over eight defeats and only one win.
Siewert was given a contract until June 2021 ten weeks ago but it is unclear whether he will stay at the club for next season’s Sky Bet Championship campaign. The 36–year-old ducked the question of his future after relegation in record-equalling time was confirmed by Crystal Palace and he will hold talks with the owner Dean Hoyle in the coming weeks.
Siewert is expected to demand a complete overhaul of the squad this summer although it is unclear at present whether Hoyle will back his manager or the players. It is claimed that Siewert has dropped key members of the side without any explanation and reacted aggressively to defeats.
Mark Hudson, the under-23 coach who took charge for one match as caretaker manager after Wagner’s departure, would be a popular internal appointment to replace Siewert. To complicate matters, the future ownership of the club is uncertain, with The Times revealing on Saturday that Hoyle would be open to offers of above £60 million.
Saturday’s game was settled by a Luka Milivojevic penalty in the 76th minute after Juninho Bacuna’s trip on Wilfried Zaha. “My player tried to block the shot, [Zaha] made a quick move and he touched his foot and it’s a penalty. We have to learn from these things,” Siewert said.
Patrick van Aanholt added a second for Palace two minutes from time. Aaron Mooy, Huddersfield’s Australia midfielder, said relegation was a result of a failure to win points in key games. “We’ve lost too many of those games,” he said. “We never seem to get draws any more.”
It sounds like some players or players agents have been complaining that they're not playing. So won't be able to get they're transfers away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 10:02:21 GMT 1
The following is in the Times Huddersfield coach faces axe in player revolt after relegation Jan Siewert’s future at Huddersfield Town is in doubt after their relegation from the Premier League, owing to a collapse of his relationship with the club’s senior players. The German head coach, who replaced David Wagner in January, is understood to have alienated players with a hardline approach since his appointment, having presided over eight defeats and only one win. Siewert was given a contract until June 2021 ten weeks ago but it is unclear whether he will stay at the club for next season’s Sky Bet Championship campaign. The 36–year-old ducked the question of his future after relegation in record-equalling time was confirmed by Crystal Palace and he will hold talks with the owner Dean Hoyle in the coming weeks. Siewert is expected to demand a complete overhaul of the squad this summer although it is unclear at present whether Hoyle will back his manager or the players. It is claimed that Siewert has dropped key members of the side without any explanation and reacted aggressively to defeats. Mark Hudson, the under-23 coach who took charge for one match as caretaker manager after Wagner’s departure, would be a popular internal appointment to replace Siewert. To complicate matters, the future ownership of the club is uncertain, with The Times revealing on Saturday that Hoyle would be open to offers of above £60 million. Saturday’s game was settled by a Luka Milivojevic penalty in the 76th minute after Juninho Bacuna’s trip on Wilfried Zaha. “My player tried to block the shot, [Zaha] made a quick move and he touched his foot and it’s a penalty. We have to learn from these things,” Siewert said. Patrick van Aanholt added a second for Palace two minutes from time. Aaron Mooy, Huddersfield’s Australia midfielder, said relegation was a result of a failure to win points in key games. “We’ve lost too many of those games,” he said. “We never seem to get draws any more.” It sounds like some players or players agents have been complaining that they're not playing. So won't be able to get they're transfers away. as I have posted before just media hype .
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 1, 2019 10:07:59 GMT 1
The following is in the Times Huddersfield coach faces axe in player revolt after relegation Jan Siewert’s future at Huddersfield Town is in doubt after their relegation from the Premier League, owing to a collapse of his relationship with the club’s senior players. The German head coach, who replaced David Wagner in January, is understood to have alienated players with a hardline approach since his appointment, having presided over eight defeats and only one win. Siewert was given a contract until June 2021 ten weeks ago but it is unclear whether he will stay at the club for next season’s Sky Bet Championship campaign. The 36–year-old ducked the question of his future after relegation in record-equalling time was confirmed by Crystal Palace and he will hold talks with the owner Dean Hoyle in the coming weeks. Siewert is expected to demand a complete overhaul of the squad this summer although it is unclear at present whether Hoyle will back his manager or the players. It is claimed that Siewert has dropped key members of the side without any explanation and reacted aggressively to defeats. Mark Hudson, the under-23 coach who took charge for one match as caretaker manager after Wagner’s departure, would be a popular internal appointment to replace Siewert. To complicate matters, the future ownership of the club is uncertain, with The Times revealing on Saturday that Hoyle would be open to offers of above £60 million. Saturday’s game was settled by a Luka Milivojevic penalty in the 76th minute after Juninho Bacuna’s trip on Wilfried Zaha. “My player tried to block the shot, [Zaha] made a quick move and he touched his foot and it’s a penalty. We have to learn from these things,” Siewert said. Patrick van Aanholt added a second for Palace two minutes from time. Aaron Mooy, Huddersfield’s Australia midfielder, said relegation was a result of a failure to win points in key games. “We’ve lost too many of those games,” he said. “We never seem to get draws any more.” It sounds like some players or players agents have been complaining that they're not playing. So won't be able to get they're transfers away. Was this the original article yesterday that has been re-vamped for the daily today? Interesting to see if any other journo's pick this up, or just regurgitate.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 1, 2019 10:10:00 GMT 1
While so many are lambasting the players attitude etc
Just pause to remember these are the same lads who prior to this season have upset the odds ... twice
Getting promoted was massive, staying up bigger
The lads who played a part in that played to there absolute maximum - there attitude until December was never questioned nor was the spirit in the dressing room
It's a short to medium term confidence problem IMO. The wheels have come off, Wagner walked and they've been shell shocked and not had it in them to turn it around in the midst of unforgiving league against teams filled with better players and continuing bad ref decisions - they haven't become bad eggs though
Our strength has always been our dressing room - if we lose that we don't stand a chance of promotion next season
I also thought the rationale in getting JS (an unknown) was that he was a continuity appointment - to build on what Wagner had achieved
Many players will move on (mostly upwards) but talk of a total overhaul by a rookie manager who has no idea of the Championship or even English football is a massive ... and I mean massive gamble
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 1, 2019 11:05:02 GMT 1
While so many are lambasting the players attitude etc Just pause to remember these are the same lads who prior to this season have upset the odds ... twice Getting promoted was massive, staying up bigger The lads who played a part in that played to there absolute maximum - there attitude until December was never questioned nor was the spirit in the dressing room It's a short to medium term confidence problem IMO. The wheels have come off, Wagner walked and they've been shell shocked and not had it in them to turn it around in the midst of unforgiving league against teams filled with better players and continuing bad ref decisions - they haven't become bad eggs though Our strength has always been our dressing room - if we lose that we don't stand a chance of promotion next season I also thought the rationale in getting JS (an unknown) was that he was a continuity appointment - to build on what Wagner had achieved Many players will move on (mostly upwards) but talk of a total overhaul by a rookie manager who has no idea of the Championship or even English football is a massive ... and I mean massive gamble which is why Dean might bring someone in. Siewert has been a tad unlucky but it's easy to forget the same players you mention above were not playing for Wagner either. If they were Wagner might still be in charge.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 1, 2019 11:05:15 GMT 1
It is becoming an interesting story in as much as I don't think the lack of effort cost us it was definitely a lack of quality. The senior players who have been part of what was so successful, and were very much invested in DW as their leader, may well have not responded to JS. This could be for a number of reasons but the most obvious one would be that he isn't DW.
I welcome that JS isn't a DW clone, and who knows the depth of feeling in the camp, but the fact that the press have picked up on this is interesting in itself. We have largely been ignored but if there is a hint of disunity or the potential for change the press are quick to pick up on it. I doubt this is purely idle speculation, although who fed the story to them may of course had another agenda.
There is also likely to be some mileage in the story of DH being willing to sell, although this isn't anything new as DH has always been open in this regard. Where this element of the story lacks credibility is that the value on the club has been reported as being between £60m & £80m. Now this is wild speculation. For a club that doesn't own it's own stadium, and for which it's share is held in trust, and is now not in the Premier league I don't think anyone would pay half those amounts. It was also reported that Sunderland were potentially subject to a takeover for £50m. If you compare Sunderland are a far bigger club, potentially with more tangible assets (I am not sure of the ownership of the Stadium of Light) and are likely to be in the same division next season.
All in all the sooner that DH is well enough to give an interview to the press or a fan forum the better now. Our season ticket sales have been good but we need to know where we are heading as a club. I am sure we aren't in a bad position but we are also drifting at the moment and we need someone to take hold of the wheel.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 1, 2019 11:16:08 GMT 1
While so many are lambasting the players attitude etc Just pause to remember these are the same lads who prior to this season have upset the odds ... twice Getting promoted was massive, staying up bigger The lads who played a part in that played to there absolute maximum - there attitude until December was never questioned nor was the spirit in the dressing room It's a short to medium term confidence problem IMO. The wheels have come off, Wagner walked and they've been shell shocked and not had it in them to turn it around in the midst of unforgiving league against teams filled with better players and continuing bad ref decisions - they haven't become bad eggs though Our strength has always been our dressing room - if we lose that we don't stand a chance of promotion next season I also thought the rationale in getting JS (an unknown) was that he was a continuity appointment - to build on what Wagner had achieved Many players will move on (mostly upwards) but talk of a total overhaul by a rookie manager who has no idea of the Championship or even English football is a massive ... and I mean massive gamble which is why Dean might bring someone in. Siewert has been a tad unlucky but it's easy to forget the same players you mention above were not playing for Wagner either. If they were Wagner might still be in charge. If you look back I don't believe performances were that hopeless under Wagner this season - mixed bag really with a lot of bad luck Remember we were 14th at the start of December on a run of 2 wins and a draw We literally were robbed versus Brighton thanks to Oliver (pen and red card) and then played Bournemouth off the park in the next match ... then Mooy got injured against Arsenal (again a tight score) Newcastle did us in an even game with one bit of quality - although if Lascelles had been given the red he'd earned we'd have not lost that one We were never in it versus Soton. Lost at Man Utd Harsh luck against Burnley - Schindler red and pen not given when Durn get's sandwiched Poor at Fulham Scratch team beaten by Bristol Robbed at Cardiff (pen over turned) Wagner quit The only league games in that run were they didn't perform IMO were Soton and Fulham IMO We obviously needed better quality upfront (hindsight and all that) and some luck with ref decisions
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Post by Mav on Apr 1, 2019 11:17:25 GMT 1
I have mentioned what 'Yogi' said before on this forum and that is that JS had a six month pre season and at the time (and still is) was a very good point.
I'm not sure that this is all 'press talk'. I hope it is. (Positive??)
We 'could' and should start next season in great shape and raring to go with a great squad.
My plea to Town is ' Don't fuck this up as well please'.
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Post by royrace on Apr 1, 2019 11:23:41 GMT 1
While so many are lambasting the players attitude etc Just pause to remember these are the same lads who prior to this season have upset the odds ... twice Getting promoted was massive, staying up bigger The lads who played a part in that played to there absolute maximum - there attitude until December was never questioned nor was the spirit in the dressing room It's a short to medium term confidence problem IMO. The wheels have come off, Wagner walked and they've been shell shocked and not had it in them to turn it around in the midst of unforgiving league against teams filled with better players and continuing bad ref decisions - they haven't become bad eggs though Our strength has always been our dressing room - if we lose that we don't stand a chance of promotion next season I also thought the rationale in getting JS (an unknown) was that he was a continuity appointment - to build on what Wagner had achieved
Many players will move on (mostly upwards) but talk of a total overhaul by a rookie manager who has no idea of the Championship or even English football is a massive ... and I mean massive gambleExactly, I'm afraid I haven't seen any positive signs since Jan has been here and plenty of negative. I'm sure the club cant have been expecting him to come in, alienate loads of the players and then rebuild the squad in the summer. For me his relationship with the players is the biggest thing, he seems to have fallen out with many and made some bizarre decisions along the way like making Schindler captain for example which despite what people claim on here was a bizarre thing to do. All this with no improvement on the pitch. It wouldn't surprise me if the club looked to make a change.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Apr 1, 2019 11:25:47 GMT 1
The following is in the Times Huddersfield coach faces axe in player revolt after relegation Jan Siewert’s future at Huddersfield Town is in doubt after their relegation from the Premier League, owing to a collapse of his relationship with the club’s senior players. The German head coach, who replaced David Wagner in January, is understood to have alienated players with a hardline approach since his appointment, having presided over eight defeats and only one win. Siewert was given a contract until June 2021 ten weeks ago but it is unclear whether he will stay at the club for next season’s Sky Bet Championship campaign. The 36–year-old ducked the question of his future after relegation in record-equalling time was confirmed by Crystal Palace and he will hold talks with the owner Dean Hoyle in the coming weeks. Siewert is expected to demand a complete overhaul of the squad this summer although it is unclear at present whether Hoyle will back his manager or the players. It is claimed that Siewert has dropped key members of the side without any explanation and reacted aggressively to defeats. Mark Hudson, the under-23 coach who took charge for one match as caretaker manager after Wagner’s departure, would be a popular internal appointment to replace Siewert. To complicate matters, the future ownership of the club is uncertain, with The Times revealing on Saturday that Hoyle would be open to offers of above £60 million. Saturday’s game was settled by a Luka Milivojevic penalty in the 76th minute after Juninho Bacuna’s trip on Wilfried Zaha. “My player tried to block the shot, [Zaha] made a quick move and he touched his foot and it’s a penalty. We have to learn from these things,” Siewert said. Patrick van Aanholt added a second for Palace two minutes from time. Aaron Mooy, Huddersfield’s Australia midfielder, said relegation was a result of a failure to win points in key games. “We’ve lost too many of those games,” he said. “We never seem to get draws any more.” It sounds like some players or players agents have been complaining that they're not playing. So won't be able to get they're transfers away. I would think that there is plenty of footage of players that clubs can look at. Should we really play players just to put them in the "shop window" ?
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Apr 1, 2019 11:30:42 GMT 1
So which senior players has he fallen out with?
I can only think Billing, Zanka and Depoitre. Maybe Lossl.
All of these players will be leaving anyway so who cares. The players on the pitch have still been putting in the effort.
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Post by htfc63 on Apr 1, 2019 11:32:13 GMT 1
I wish some of you would get off Siewerts case. The guy cannot do right for doing wrong. Myself and I am sure many others were fed up with Wagners latter style of defensive play which meant we were highly unlikely to score. He realised that the squad was weak and thought the only way to win a game was to sit back, soak up pressure and then try to hit the opposition on the break. This was flawed on two levels in that we did not have players that were able to stop making individual errors and we did not have players who could get the ball forward quickly into the oppositions final third. Jan saw this and has instigated a more attacking style of football however once again it has been shown that if we create chances we do not have the players to capitalise on them. With regard to player unrest I am sure such as Billing, Mounie, Depoitre, Zanka, Lossl etc are not happy at being dropped and allowing them pitch time to promote themselves to other clubs. Let’s face it them and quite a few others will move on and this time is more about looking after those who will stay. These days the agents and players have far too much power and we have seen evidence of this in the past with the likes of Butterfield. For me he is doing the right thing in blooding younger players and those who are hungry to play as whilst they may not be premiership class many will probably do a job for us in the championship. On a final note Dean has always stated if the right offer comes in from someone who cares about the club and can take us further then he would listen. I am sure he will be having discussions with Jan with regard to what money is avaiable for squad strengthening however part of that is an unknown as we also need to wait and see who will go and at what return to our coffers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 11:51:02 GMT 1
For a club that doesn't own it's own stadium, and for which it's share is held in trust, I know we were told this was the plan, but it’s not true. See page 31 (of the filed PDF, although it says 29 at the bottom) of the Town accounts.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 1, 2019 11:57:07 GMT 1
For a club that doesn't own it's own stadium, and for which it's share is held in trust, I know we were told this was the plan, but it’s not true. See page 31 (of the filed PDF, although it says 29 at the bottom) of the Town accounts. I didn't know that - I thought it had been resolved. It would change the valuation for sure and we can't be that far away from paying for the stadium now? That said the stadium does need some attention.
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Post by atowninessex on Apr 1, 2019 12:01:35 GMT 1
i am sure most people would prefer the wally with the brolly who's just been sacked by QPR
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 1, 2019 12:07:33 GMT 1
I know we were told this was the plan, but it’s not true. See page 31 (of the filed PDF, although it says 29 at the bottom) of the Town accounts. I didn't know that - I thought it had been resolved. It would change the valuation for sure and we can't be that far away from paying for the stadium now? That said the stadium does need some attention. Im sure the North stand is paid off by 2020 or 2021. If you remember back to August it was said that we were going to take over the running of the stadium and that talks were progressing, then we never heard anything else - probably because of Hoyles health. Sadly this probably wont happen now, as the stadium does need a spruce up. Shame, as it could be much improved given the money and inclination.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 12:12:59 GMT 1
I know we were told this was the plan, but it’s not true. See page 31 (of the filed PDF, although it says 29 at the bottom) of the Town accounts. I didn't know that - I thought it had been resolved. It would change the valuation for sure and we can't be that far away from paying for the stadium now? That said the stadium does need some attention. Well KSDL have not filed their confirmation statement on time (an actual criminal offence), but the next accounts for year to end of July 2018 are due by the end of this month which might be mildly interesting.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 1, 2019 12:17:25 GMT 1
Town are waiting for Bolton to go bust and then they're going to stick the Reebok on the back of a big lorry and give us the kind of stadium we should have had in the first place
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Post by Sio on Apr 1, 2019 12:23:03 GMT 1
Town are waiting for Bolton to go bust and then they're going to stick the Reebok on the back of a big lorry and give us the kind of stadium we should have had in the first place Always found the Reebok a bit cold and characterless personally!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 1, 2019 12:26:32 GMT 1
Not sure why this has reached the number of posts it has when the original story was posted by some no-mark sports journo trying to get a scoop so they could then drive some clickbait revenue 'elsewhere' on their site... That 'story' has then been picked up & refined by more credible journalists, but the heart of the story was sown by the seeds of the DM & it's clickbait nonsense...
In context; We were joint top of the clubs hitting the woodwork early doors - our strikeforce & final third effort worked itself into a rut as a result. Albeit only 3 games, we then started to demonstrate green shoots of recovery & got results that our performances deserved. Those were quickly extinguished by a poor referee v Brighton. The 2 games following that (B'mouth & Arsenal away), we showed some real bite and determination but lost by the odd goal both games, destroying the confidence that had started to built after Fulham, West Ham, Wolves. We then lost Mooy for a considerable period, the monkey on the back of our strikeforce and final third effort became a gorilla... We also had some further bad luck (Schindlers red v Burnley, the Cardiff pen) Wagner walked - I think in part due to the piss poor officialdom that had no recourse for us.
JS has walked into a club that's rock bottom on confidence & with the backdrop of the earlier part of the season being one of the worst we've seen (in context of the football/results - ignore that we're playing at the highest rung of the ladder).
That takes some pulling round. He's been here 5 mins in real terms & he's walked into a club that's playing at its highest level in nigh on 50yrs. DW walked into the club with a much lower set of expectations and was given time. He also walked into a club where the dressing room needed shaking up after CP & those who bought into it went on to defy the odds the season after. Our hand was forced in having to pay for more expensive players and no doubt eroding the wage structure and the level playing field (some players upset by this, if stories on here are to be believed - more than a plausible scenario in reality, we are talking about young men seeing their workmates earn possibly double for doing the same job).
JS may well turn out to be the wrong hire for the club, but for now all we should be doing is getting behind him. I can't be bothered going that far back, but I imagine there will have been a few DW doubters in the early days of his tenure. But let's not allow patience and context to come into something that must be solved now, today, the next week etc... Just because some f'wit, who is the Daily Mail equivalent of that lad in the Examiner published some speculative rubbish...
Oh for the days of the Green 'Un...
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Post by royrace on Apr 1, 2019 12:35:16 GMT 1
Not sure why this has reached the number of posts it has when the original story was posted by some no-mark sports journo trying to get a scoop so they could then drive some clickbait revenue 'elsewhere' on their site... That 'story' has then been picked up & refined by more credible journalists, but the heart of the story was sown by the seeds of the DM & it's clickbait nonsense... In context; We were joint top of the clubs hitting the woodwork early doors - our strikeforce & final third effort worked itself into a rut as a result. Albeit only 3 games, we then started to demonstrate green shoots of recovery & got results that our performances deserved. Those were quickly extinguished by a poor referee v Brighton. The 2 games following that (B'mouth & Arsenal away), we showed some real bite and determination but lost by the odd goal both games, destroying the confidence that had started to built after Fulham, West Ham, Wolves. We then lost Mooy for a considerable period, the monkey on the back of our strikeforce and final third effort became a gorilla... We also had some further bad luck (Schindlers red v Burnley, the Cardiff pen) Wagner walked - I think in part due to the piss poor officialdom that had no recourse for us. JS has walked into a club that's rock bottom on confidence & with the backdrop of the earlier part of the season being one of the worst we've seen (in context of the football/results - ignore that we're playing at the highest rung of the ladder). That takes some pulling round. He's been here 5 mins in real terms & he's walked into a club that's playing at its highest level in nigh on 50yrs. DW walked into the club with a much lower set of expectations and was given time. He also walked into a club where the dressing room needed shaking up after CP & those who bought into it went on to defy the odds the season after. Our hand was forced in having to pay for more expensive players and no doubt eroding the wage structure and the level playing field (some players upset by this, if stories on here are to be believed - more than a plausible scenario in reality, we are talking about young men seeing their workmates earn possibly double for doing the same job). JS may well turn out to be the wrong hire for the club, but for now all we should be doing is getting behind him. I can't be bothered going that far back, but I imagine there will have been a few DW doubters in the early days of his tenure. But let's not allow patience and context to come into something that must be solved now, today, the next week etc... Just because some f'wit, who is the Daily Mail equivalent of that lad in the Examiner published some speculative rubbish... Oh for the days of the Green 'Un... There weren't any, because from day one he came in, got all the good senior pros onside, said and did the right things and had us playing far better football with a clear identity from day one. Jan has been the opposite and yes I know the situation is very different. You may be correct that the article is click bait but it rings true to me.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 1, 2019 12:41:01 GMT 1
He did seem to dodge questions about his town future though after Palace. Surely he will still be in the job for the first game of next season? Would be ridiculous to sack him, he may resign in the summer, but 100% convinced he was signed up for next season in the Championship. Surely no one at the club truly beleived we could stay up?? Look at our January signings for example, yes Grant has been a revelation and will be a class player for us next season at a bargain price but Jason Puncheon ffs?? come on. Need to clear out all the dead wood and invest the money on young hungry players that want to play for HTAFC adding a few championship quality players which Hoggy also talked about. Chances are Lossl, Flo, Zanka, Billing, Sobhi, Mooy, Kongolo, Billing, LDP, Durm, Puncheon, Mounie and Williams wont be at the club next season, let Siewart bring his own players in, or appoint a DOF who knows the championship or german leagues etc. No passengers this time roud, championship is hard league and there will be a lot of expectation that we will be challenging, or at least we should be. None of ths stick to what we know bollocks being a bottom 6 Championship team.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 1, 2019 12:46:10 GMT 1
Town are waiting for Bolton to go bust and then they're going to stick the Reebok on the back of a big lorry and give us the kind of stadium we should have had in the first place Don't mention there, I am still fuming over the farce of trying to get in a few seasons back. I hope they go bust.....oh they have....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 12:50:30 GMT 1
The following is in the Times Siewert was given a contract until June 2021 ten weeks ago but it is unclear whether he will stay at the club for next season’s Sky Bet Championship campaign. The 36–year-old ducked the question of his future after relegation in record-equalling time was confirmed by Crystal Palace and he will hold talks with the owner Dean Hoyle in the coming weeks. Siewert is expected to demand a complete overhaul of the squad this summer although it is unclear at present whether Hoyle will back his manager or the players. It is claimed that Siewert has dropped key members of the side without any explanation and reacted aggressively to defeats. Mark Hudson, the under-23 coach who took charge for one match as caretaker manager after Wagner’s departure, would be a popular internal appointment to replace Siewert. To complicate matters, the future ownership of the club is uncertain, with The Times revealing on Saturday that Hoyle would be open to offers of above £60 million.
I wonder, when he took the job, if Siewert was made aware that Hoyle wants out? A new owner could make his position even more untenable. So why hang around?
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Post by Floyds on Apr 1, 2019 12:53:28 GMT 1
Not sure why this has reached the number of posts it has when the original story was posted by some no-mark sports journo trying to get a scoop so they could then drive some clickbait revenue 'elsewhere' on their site... That 'story' has then been picked up & refined by more credible journalists, but the heart of the story was sown by the seeds of the DM & it's clickbait nonsense... In context; We were joint top of the clubs hitting the woodwork early doors - our strikeforce & final third effort worked itself into a rut as a result. Albeit only 3 games, we then started to demonstrate green shoots of recovery & got results that our performances deserved. Those were quickly extinguished by a poor referee v Brighton. The 2 games following that (B'mouth & Arsenal away), we showed some real bite and determination but lost by the odd goal both games, destroying the confidence that had started to built after Fulham, West Ham, Wolves. We then lost Mooy for a considerable period, the monkey on the back of our strikeforce and final third effort became a gorilla... We also had some further bad luck (Schindlers red v Burnley, the Cardiff pen) Wagner walked - I think in part due to the piss poor officialdom that had no recourse for us. JS has walked into a club that's rock bottom on confidence & with the backdrop of the earlier part of the season being one of the worst we've seen (in context of the football/results - ignore that we're playing at the highest rung of the ladder). That takes some pulling round. He's been here 5 mins in real terms & he's walked into a club that's playing at its highest level in nigh on 50yrs. DW walked into the club with a much lower set of expectations and was given time. He also walked into a club where the dressing room needed shaking up after CP & those who bought into it went on to defy the odds the season after. Our hand was forced in having to pay for more expensive players and no doubt eroding the wage structure and the level playing field (some players upset by this, if stories on here are to be believed - more than a plausible scenario in reality, we are talking about young men seeing their workmates earn possibly double for doing the same job). JS may well turn out to be the wrong hire for the club, but for now all we should be doing is getting behind him. I can't be bothered going that far back, but I imagine there will have been a few DW doubters in the early days of his tenure. But let's not allow patience and context to come into something that must be solved now, today, the next week etc... Just because some f'wit, who is the Daily Mail equivalent of that lad in the Examiner published some speculative rubbish... Oh for the days of the Green 'Un... Worth noting that Matt Hughes (who wrote the article) is a Town fan from Huddersfield. I think your description (or perception) of him is off the mark...
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 1, 2019 12:55:33 GMT 1
forget the points total up to now.. this 'debate' will take place on line, in pubs and anywhere else it can of the 3 teams who end up in the relegation zone of any league..
what we did wrong, the board, the manager and his staff and the players will all get stick of varying degrees and with good/bad/informed/uninformed comment..
Jan is quite correct that we have underachieved this season, whatever the reasons and there are many.. He can only work to get the performances up with the players he has now and we do at least attack teams more than we did with the unfortunate poor defending still costing us at least a point.
Mooy is quite correct in his view that we failed to draw many games where the point was definitely a very good prospect..If we dont score then the goal must have been to prevent conceding, or at least conceding a really awful one..
losing by a goal is quite significant this season, although the fact we never looked much like winning those games is compounded by losing games when we really had to conspire with the opposition to allow them to win very dull, chance free games..
We are relegated, learning from past mistakes can be done without arguing about them or it pulling the club apart. We have players here who do not want to be, we have players here who Jan does not want in the championship, therefore we start now to sort the ins/outs and hopefully get our business done early without any rancour hanging on.. He gets from now on to sort out who he wants and how we play and the club takes priority over any player/agent or hanger on. We may have to bite the bullit on some players, its always the way but losing money is better than having expensive players who are not happy..
We now have 6 games for nothing other than seeing, hopefully, players who want to be here putting it in for personal pride and secondly their future here.. Jan gets to see them play more and gets to put over his ideas of tactics and responsibilities so he is not starting over in summer with a whole set of new faces..
You can go on for ever about how players who got us here have lost the plot or managers who achieved but then failed and if you add in transfers etc it becomes a right old mess with fact and fiction being added in willy nilly.
We will play in the Championship, Jan needs to be told he is wanted to manage that new start and certain players need to be told that they are wanted to be part of that.
Positives; we are a more attractive championship prospect than we have been before. Dean is still running the show.. There will be players still here who are good enough to make a real fist of the championship and sensible additions with a defined way of playing and some graft means its a new season and this season with lessons learned, can be just a small part of a long history.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 1, 2019 12:56:54 GMT 1
Not sure why this has reached the number of posts it has when the original story was posted by some no-mark sports journo trying to get a scoop so they could then drive some clickbait revenue 'elsewhere' on their site... That 'story' has then been picked up & refined by more credible journalists, but the heart of the story was sown by the seeds of the DM & it's clickbait nonsense... In context; We were joint top of the clubs hitting the woodwork early doors - our strikeforce & final third effort worked itself into a rut as a result. Albeit only 3 games, we then started to demonstrate green shoots of recovery & got results that our performances deserved. Those were quickly extinguished by a poor referee v Brighton. The 2 games following that (B'mouth & Arsenal away), we showed some real bite and determination but lost by the odd goal both games, destroying the confidence that had started to built after Fulham, West Ham, Wolves. We then lost Mooy for a considerable period, the monkey on the back of our strikeforce and final third effort became a gorilla... We also had some further bad luck (Schindlers red v Burnley, the Cardiff pen) Wagner walked - I think in part due to the piss poor officialdom that had no recourse for us. JS has walked into a club that's rock bottom on confidence & with the backdrop of the earlier part of the season being one of the worst we've seen (in context of the football/results - ignore that we're playing at the highest rung of the ladder). That takes some pulling round. He's been here 5 mins in real terms & he's walked into a club that's playing at its highest level in nigh on 50yrs. DW walked into the club with a much lower set of expectations and was given time. He also walked into a club where the dressing room needed shaking up after CP & those who bought into it went on to defy the odds the season after. Our hand was forced in having to pay for more expensive players and no doubt eroding the wage structure and the level playing field (some players upset by this, if stories on here are to be believed - more than a plausible scenario in reality, we are talking about young men seeing their workmates earn possibly double for doing the same job). JS may well turn out to be the wrong hire for the club, but for now all we should be doing is getting behind him. I can't be bothered going that far back, but I imagine there will have been a few DW doubters in the early days of his tenure. But let's not allow patience and context to come into something that must be solved now, today, the next week etc... Just because some f'wit, who is the Daily Mail equivalent of that lad in the Examiner published some speculative rubbish... Oh for the days of the Green 'Un... Worth noting that Matt Hughes (who wrote the article) is a Town fan from Huddersfield. I think your description (or perception) of him is off the mark... Does it excuse him of writing speculative pieces for his employer then? He might be a good lad & apologies for branding him as a hack if he is indeed a good writer, but he has a job to do, not a job that has his wages paid by HTFC...
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 1, 2019 12:59:40 GMT 1
I think the rule in football is that if a journalist writes something you don;t like to hear, then hes a fuckwit who hasn't got a clue. If he writes something that blows smoke up your club's backside, then he's well informed and in line for a Pulitzer prize.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 1, 2019 13:02:34 GMT 1
Worth noting that Matt Hughes (who wrote the article) is a Town fan from Huddersfield. I think your description (or perception) of him is off the mark... Does it excuse him of writing speculative pieces for his employer then? He might be a good lad & apologies for branding him as a hack if he is indeed a good writer, but he has a job to do, not a job that has his wages paid by HTFC... We don't know if the article is speculative or not. I doubt it though, why would he (or anyone working for the Times) simply make up a story about Town? Time will tell, I guess. Let's see how long Jan is our manager for...
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