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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 26, 2019 23:30:07 GMT 1
The thing I would say is that I'm not against Siewert leaving, I've lost the will to care about this season. However, what do you replace him with? I know a lot of people want Jokanovic, but he reportedly wanted 60k pw to take over at forest, aint a cat in hells chance we would pay that whilst in the prem, let alone down in the champ. Seen some say that we should go for experience, but how much experience is that? is that alan pardew, mark hughes, steve mcclaren and tony pullis experience or is it more experience along the lines of say a carvahal, rowett, mark warburton or nigel pearson? Do people want a more bold appointment in the form of taking a punt on say the cowley brothers, who arent forced to even want to leave lincoln, even for us. Maybe someone like Stendel at barnsley or dominico tedesco who guided schalke to 2nd last season but couldnt replicate this year and has since been sacked? or do you go for someone who has a bit to prove to english football like a vilas boas? maybe you ignore managerial experience and go for hudson who knows the club, try tempt arteta into a first managerial role, but you have no idea what to expect. For the record when wagner left i wanted a bold appointment as i felt that we were in the ideal position to do so, so someone like tedesco or stendel, however tedesco was still at schalke at the time so we wouldnt have been able to get him. Now, if siewert was to leave, id still go down that route but i wouldnt be completely against going down the boas or arteta route. I would be cautious about the hudson route. Who could do worse? Employ pretty much any football manager from a competitive league and he’d do better, the bar is now very, very low. The German hockaday. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 26, 2019 23:32:35 GMT 1
Sorry but you’d have to be a half wit to have not seen the light by now. You’ll always have a few who will naturally try to defend the indefensible but the vast majority qualified to form an opinion have seen enough.
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 26, 2019 23:35:35 GMT 1
The thing I would say is that I'm not against Siewert leaving, I've lost the will to care about this season. However, what do you replace him with? I know a lot of people want Jokanovic, but he reportedly wanted 60k pw to take over at forest, aint a cat in hells chance we would pay that whilst in the prem, let alone down in the champ. Seen some say that we should go for experience, but how much experience is that? is that alan pardew, mark hughes, steve mcclaren and tony pullis experience or is it more experience along the lines of say a carvahal, rowett, mark warburton or nigel pearson? Do people want a more bold appointment in the form of taking a punt on say the cowley brothers, who arent forced to even want to leave lincoln, even for us. Maybe someone like Stendel at barnsley or dominico tedesco who guided schalke to 2nd last season but couldnt replicate this year and has since been sacked? or do you go for someone who has a bit to prove to english football like a vilas boas? maybe you ignore managerial experience and go for hudson who knows the club, try tempt arteta into a first managerial role, but you have no idea what to expect. For the record when wagner left i wanted a bold appointment as i felt that we were in the ideal position to do so, so someone like tedesco or stendel, however tedesco was still at schalke at the time so we wouldnt have been able to get him. Now, if siewert was to leave, id still go down that route but i wouldnt be completely against going down the boas or arteta route. I would be cautious about the hudson route. Steffen Baumgart would be my choice if we were in Germany again done an amazing job with Paderborn. |
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Post by Giggity on Apr 26, 2019 23:37:21 GMT 1
I am not a fan of Siewert however the first goal killed any game plan we had. It was a stupid mistake by Lossl/Stankovic which would not have been planned for in the week. The game plan went straight out of the window after 20 seconds. We had no chance after that.
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Post by shelterr on Apr 26, 2019 23:46:27 GMT 1
However poor the team became in the latter days of David Wagner, it is now totally clueless. Sievert has wrecked what was left. He's lost the senior players probably because he treats them as kids - his experience is with a youth team.
Sievert has to go now and a new manager in, who then has the opportunity to get new players in the transfer window (start please, not last day).
The question might be who should be the new manager, but IMO Mickey Mouse would be better than JS - we're a laughing stock already.
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Post by shelterr on Apr 27, 2019 0:00:50 GMT 1
Just read that JS thinks the team will get results, well that will be a loss every game then with no goals scored unless Grant gets one. So yes the results will come just as they have since he started and said back then the results will come. Jan I've news for you, there is a result at the end of each game, what Town fans would like is some positive ones for town. JS please admit you're out of your depth and resign.
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Post by Melc on Apr 27, 2019 0:04:25 GMT 1
The thing I would say is that I'm not against Siewert leaving, I've lost the will to care about this season. However, what do you replace him with? I know a lot of people want Jokanovic, but he reportedly wanted 60k pw to take over at forest, aint a cat in hells chance we would pay that whilst in the prem, let alone down in the champ. Seen some say that we should go for experience, but how much experience is that? is that alan pardew, mark hughes, steve mcclaren and tony pullis experience or is it more experience along the lines of say a carvahal, rowett, mark warburton or nigel pearson? Do people want a more bold appointment in the form of taking a punt on say the cowley brothers, who arent forced to even want to leave lincoln, even for us. Maybe someone like Stendel at barnsley or dominico tedesco who guided schalke to 2nd last season but couldnt replicate this year and has since been sacked? or do you go for someone who has a bit to prove to english football like a vilas boas? maybe you ignore managerial experience and go for hudson who knows the club, try tempt arteta into a first managerial role, but you have no idea what to expect. For the record when wagner left i wanted a bold appointment as i felt that we were in the ideal position to do so, so someone like tedesco or stendel, however tedesco was still at schalke at the time so we wouldnt have been able to get him. Now, if siewert was to leave, id still go down that route but i wouldnt be completely against going down the boas or arteta route. I would be cautious about the hudson route. Who could do worse? Employ pretty much any football manager from a competitive league and he’d do better, the bar is now very, very low. I think you have covered that really well. What worry's me is if Dean Hoyle does end up being here next season i fear because he has come out and backed Siewert already he wont back down. Sleepwalking 2 springs to mind. |
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Post by salendiner on Apr 27, 2019 0:09:26 GMT 1
I am not a fan of Siewert however the first goal killed any game plan we had. It was a stupid mistake by Lossl/Stankovic which would not have been planned for in the week. The game plan went straight out of the window after 20 seconds. We had no chance after that. First goal is always the killer, 20 goals scored all season ffs |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 27, 2019 0:09:42 GMT 1
Oh dear this thread. Dummies all over the floor.
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Post by Melc on Apr 27, 2019 0:15:11 GMT 1
Ironic that most people who want Jan to go are the same who wanted Wagner to stay, who has a lot of responsibility for how shit we are, and would have presided over the exact same scoreline tonight, the only difference with 10 men behind the ball and Mounie up front. Well if you are a detective then i guess it explains why this country is fucked! |
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Post by arry11 on Apr 27, 2019 0:26:31 GMT 1
Ironic that most people who want Jan to go are the same who wanted Wagner to stay, who has a lot of responsibility for how shit we are, and would have presided over the exact same scoreline tonight, the only difference with 10 men behind the ball and Mounie up front. Under Wagner this season we actually played higher up the pitch last season we could not pass the halfway line in most games.+ we gave ourselves a chance of getting something from the game the club got things wrong before the season started and it was all over before we could change it. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Apr 27, 2019 0:36:04 GMT 1
It’s not a case of we’ve lost to premier league’s sides or give him time to bring his own players in. We have gone backwards and im struggling to find anything positive to look at going into next season. He has to go for me
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 27, 2019 0:37:27 GMT 1
Ironic that most people who want Jan to go are the same who wanted Wagner to stay, who has a lot of responsibility for how shit we are, and would have presided over the exact same scoreline tonight, the only difference with 10 men behind the ball and Mounie up front. Like he did against Liverpool at our place... oh wait no he didn’t did he ah shit damn you're right...just against Fulham then |
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Post by Kenny irons on Apr 27, 2019 0:37:34 GMT 1
Get rid fast
Way out of his depth
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Apr 27, 2019 0:39:36 GMT 1
Get rid asap
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Apr 27, 2019 0:40:24 GMT 1
He’s absolutely clueless
Sack him and that Nob winter
Killing our club
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Apr 27, 2019 0:40:39 GMT 1
He’s absolutely clueless
Sack him and that Nob winter
Killing our club
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2019 0:41:50 GMT 1
So many people it seems have not taken on board the consistent message from the club which has always been progress without damage. That’s it pretty much. I’m sure Dean would admit it hasn’t been perfect at all but we are relegated in pretty good shape.
To add to our exceptional business/corporate team we have a talented playing staff who were under no illusions when they joined us and are all on relative wage structures. We also for once have the wherewithal if necessary to compete on transfers, which I can’t remember ever.
All of that is before your get to the new manger who I think has definitely shown the passion and progressive attitude to build on Wagners legacy. All I want personally is that we are competitive and go into a Saturday with positive expectation
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Post by SN0W on Apr 27, 2019 0:42:41 GMT 1
Time for Squidward to crawl back under that damp lettuce leaf from whence he came.
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Post by arry11 on Apr 27, 2019 0:47:28 GMT 1
It’s not a case of we’ve lost to premier league’s sides or give him time to bring his own players in. We have gone backwards and im struggling to find anything positive to look at going into next season. He has to go for me Grant is a positive very hard for me to judge if Jan as been given a mandate too look at the team for next season it would mean experimenting. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Apr 27, 2019 0:49:41 GMT 1
Here we go again, it would take Houdini to turn some of these players around. You cant blame Siewert because we have shit keepers and a pathetic excuse for a strike. Don’t really agree worth this. Good managers get the best from what they’ve got. Wagner came in and did exactly that. JS has come in and most of them are now playing worse. He’s arrived at a bad time, accepted, but he’s not a manger who can inspire anyone by the looks of it I’m convinced most of them are underperforming to their actual ability, and then there’s a couple simply don’t give ve a shit |
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Post by doniskebab on Apr 27, 2019 0:52:12 GMT 1
For who exactly FFS! We can't attract big names, no guarantee of success anyway. All the moaning pricks that have joined since the shitty premier league can do one. We cou ld never compete with the scousers, premier league is ridiculously unbalanced. How many of the moaning pricks have seen us lose at Mansfield, Rochdale, Port Vale etc?
Clueless idiots - we are a small to medium sized club -if you don't like it piss off and watch one of the top 6 shithouses! Shouldn't really post this as I've had a beer or 2 but please can we have some perspective. Liverpool are one of the best in Europe, our meagre squad wasn't disgraced. We lost 6-0 at 3rd division Bury a few years ago - surely progress in anyone's eyes. Bye for now, I'll wait for the insults to start!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 0:58:05 GMT 1
I'm a reasonable person but this man got sacked by a German 4th division club. Come on Dean. This is not the guy to lead us to a promotion push. The poll is overwhelming.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 1:06:12 GMT 1
Jan is up against it you’d think. No great performances to really get behind. No clear vision as to what his footballing philosophy is. Hard to know what we as fans are buying into and he’s not particularly engaging. Dean looked for the continuity to go back to Dortmund. As good a rationale as any I suppose..but it doesn’t look like a good fit right now. Does Dean trust Jan to lead the club next season after what he’s done in his 13 game interview. That’s the question.
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 27, 2019 1:09:38 GMT 1
For who exactly FFS! We can't attract big names, no guarantee of success anyway. All the moaning pricks that have joined since the shitty premier league can do one. We cou ld never compete with the scousers, premier league is ridiculously unbalanced. How many of the moaning pricks have seen us lose at Mansfield, Rochdale, Port Vale etc? Clueless idiots - we are a small to medium sized club -if you don't like it piss off and watch one of the top 6 shithouses! Shouldn't really post this as I've had a beer or 2 but please can we have some perspective. Liverpool are one of the best in Europe, our meagre squad wasn't disgraced. We lost 6-0 at 3rd division Bury a few years ago - surely progress in anyone's eyes. Bye for now, I'll wait for the insults to start! It’s not about attracting big names though we had to take a punt on Wagner as the club had nowhere else to go it was a last throw of the dice and we got very lucky, problem is now our stock has risen we didn’t need to go a total unknown we could have gone out and got better but it very much seems like the club took a lazy and cheap option!. I do feel for him as he’s been left with a shite squad wasn’t backed in January as the club had pretty much given up any hope of staying up by then but he’s not helped himself he seems totally out of his depth there no style of play, no organisation there isn’t anything if he had come In and we’d had seen improvement much like Darren Moore did West Brom we wouldn’t have seen this reaction but it’s been shambolic 12 defeats in 13 it’s been woeful. |
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Post by willo on Apr 27, 2019 1:32:23 GMT 1
For who exactly FFS! We can't attract big names, no guarantee of success anyway. All the moaning pricks that have joined since the shitty premier league can do one. We cou ld never compete with the scousers, premier league is ridiculously unbalanced. How many of the moaning pricks have seen us lose at Mansfield, Rochdale, Port Vale etc? Clueless idiots - we are a small to medium sized club -if you don't like it piss off and watch one of the top 6 shithouses! Shouldn't really post this as I've had a beer or 2 but please can we have some perspective. Liverpool are one of the best in Europe, our meagre squad wasn't disgraced. We lost 6-0 at 3rd division Bury a few years ago - surely progress in anyone's eyes. Bye for now, I'll wait for the insults to start! It’s not about attracting big names though we had to take a punt on Wagner as the club had nowhere else to go it was a last throw of the dice and we got very lucky, problem is now our stock has risen we didn’t need to go a total unknown we could have gone out and got better but it very much seems like the club took a lazy and cheap option!. I do feel for him as he’s been left with a shite squad wasn’t backed in January as the club had pretty much given up any hope of staying up by then but he’s not helped himself he seems totally out of his depth there no style of play, no organisation there isn’t anything if he had come In and we’d had seen improvement much like Darren Moore did West Brom we wouldn’t have seen this reaction but it’s been shambolic 12 defeats in 13 it’s been woeful. Best summing up I’ve read of the sorry situation we’re in and echoes my thoughts word for word. No hysterics, just the wrong appointment and it hasn’t worked out. It happens. Not talking about tonight either, anyone could have been in charge and we’d have lost at Anfield. Time to cut our losses, get rid and appoint someone players and fans can unite behind. Next season is massive, we need the right manager leading us and that simply isn’t JS. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 27, 2019 6:58:15 GMT 1
"Siewert Out" thread merged with this thread. That poll gone missing. Ah well! just change your vote in this original poll if you so wish.
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Post by slackjaw on Apr 27, 2019 7:41:20 GMT 1
Unfortunately this hasn’t worked out,and won’t work out.The fact that we’re losing after 20 seconds is bad enough what makes it worse is that the goal given away was exactly the same as the Watford one.
Didn’t Jan realise that we would be under pressure at a team hoping to win the title? The basics tell you to put that ball as far in their half as you can get it,and keep doing that for the next 10 minutes.Thats the manager telling the players to play out from the back,at a place like anfield!
Unfortunately next week will be exactly the same,and the week after,and the week after..
Just imagine you’re Dean and you have a budget of around £20m to spend in the summer,are you going to let this novice spend it?
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 27, 2019 7:44:46 GMT 1
Unfortunately this hasn’t worked out,and won’t work out.The fact that we’re losing after 20 seconds is bad enough what makes it worse is that the goal given away was exactly the same as the Watford one. Didn’t Jan realise that we would be under pressure at a team hoping to win the title? The basics tell you to put that ball as far in their half as you can get it,and keep doing that for the next 10 minutes.Thats the manager telling the players to play out from the back,at a place like anfield! Unfortunately next week will be exactly the same,and the week after, and the week after..Just imagine you’re Dean and you have a budget of around £20m to spend in the summer,are you going to let this novice spend it? Now that will be embarrassing - they'll be playing cricket! |
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Post by slackjaw on Apr 27, 2019 7:47:04 GMT 1
Unfortunately this hasn’t worked out,and won’t work out.The fact that we’re losing after 20 seconds is bad enough what makes it worse is that the goal given away was exactly the same as the Watford one. Didn’t Jan realise that we would be under pressure at a team hoping to win the title? The basics tell you to put that ball as far in their half as you can get it,and keep doing that for the next 10 minutes.Thats the manager telling the players to play out from the back,at a place like anfield! Unfortunately next week will be exactly the same,and the week after, and the week after..Just imagine you’re Dean and you have a budget of around £20m to spend in the summer,are you going to let this novice spend it? Now that will be embarrassing - they'll be playing cricket! This lot haven’t got the brains to play that sport! |
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