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Post by willo on Apr 7, 2019 10:16:10 GMT 1
We all know we were down before he arrived, err didn't we? Yes, these games matter for pride but more importantly allowing him to look at the quality and equally importantly the character of the players he's inherited. Some of whom had already given up and are looking to pastures new. That's what he's doing, he's rotating, experimenting, learning. Next season will be tough, but to write him off on the basis of what he's doing now with an injury hit, demotivated squad, is ridiculous. The problem is there are 2 many players looking for pastures new for a variety of different reasons. Starting to wonder just who is going to be here next season and what state of mind they’ll be in if JS stays? Perhaps time to accept we got it wrong with this appointment and start again with a more experienced, mature guy with some experience of British football. Not talking the usual brigade here; Pardew, Carvahal, etc, either. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 7, 2019 10:17:08 GMT 1
The only person who will have any influence on JS, whether he stays or goes, is Dean Hoyle. He came out one week ago and said that he has total faith in the manager and that they are planning for next season. It seems as though the most vociferous posters on DATM disagree, but that is their right. Fortunately, I doubt their outbursts will have any influence on DH, but DATM gives them an outlet for their fury. The person who has all the information at his fingertips is the chairman, whom I trust implicitly to do make decisions with the best intentions of the club, even if sometimes these decisions don't work out. I'd rather entrust my club to him and allow him to make the calls with the information that none of us are privy to. I’ll be starggered if dean isn’t having the exact same thoughts as most fans on here, he has a difficult decision to make but as we’ve seen when it’s needed he acts. His statement means nothing, of course he has to be behind jan but that doesn’t last indefinitely. If we lose the rest of the games badly which it looks like we will do it’s juts a matter of timing. I’d have given it Hudson at the time and tried to get some continuity rather than throw out the baby with the bath water but seems too late for that now. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 10:18:42 GMT 1
Its threads like this that make you despair. Oh surprise surprise, new manager cannot make relegated disinterested players perform to miracle standards therefore he is shite and we must dispense with him too. Too many FIFA la la land experts who know the square root of jack shit. Opinions... We are not asking him to perform miracles, we are asking to see a change, implement his own ways and bring some form of positivity. He has done absolutely bugger all but make me, along with others, feel even worse, play worse and just look purely abysmal. So if thats knowing jack shit and being a FIFA la la land expert, i think most of the country, not just fans of this club, will be in la la land. Stats are there to see and so are performance, sugar coat it all you like. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 11:30:16 GMT 1
We all know we were down before he arrived, err didn't we? Yes, these games matter for pride but more importantly allowing him to look at the quality and equally importantly the character of the players he's inherited. Some of whom had already given up and are looking to pastures new. That's what he's doing, he's rotating, experimenting, learning. Next season will be tough, but to write him off on the basis of what he's doing now with an injury hit, demotivated squad, is ridiculous. The problem is there are 2 many players looking for pastures new for a variety of different reasons. Starting to wonder just who is going to be here next season and what state of mind they’ll be in if JS stays? Perhaps time to accept we got it wrong with this appointment and start again with a more experienced, mature guy with some experience of British football. Not talking the usual brigade here; Pardew, Carvahal, etc, either. artysid well said. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Apr 7, 2019 11:44:26 GMT 1
New manager credentials
1. Proven ability, after taking charge to escape certain relegation from the Championship
2. Proven ability, on a relatively small budget to gain promotion to the Premier League
3. Proven ability, despite universal predictions of relegation to keep a team in the Premier League.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 7, 2019 11:55:32 GMT 1
The problem is there are 2 many players looking for pastures new for a variety of different reasons. Starting to wonder just who is going to be here next season and what state of mind they’ll be in if JS stays? Perhaps time to accept we got it wrong with this appointment and start again with a more experienced, mature guy with some experience of British football. Not talking the usual brigade here; Pardew, Carvahal, etc, either. artysid well said. we are relegated..same as all relegated clubs its time to apportion blame and its easier to single out the manager, even in the ridiculous terms and circumstances that we have here.. the call for an experienced championship manager from those who revere Wagner's contribution here is quite odd... maybe its because we have more cash now and it has to be a manager who WILL spend it well?? sorry we have all seen that go badly wrong before.. Jan has to go because he fell out with some of the players?? I would be suspicious of his intentions and passion for the job if he hadn't.. Lets try and refrain from over acting and over reacting to a season that became so bad it just needs lessons learned from it and the rest forgotten about.. We have had them before and we did not come out of them with so much money and a fine number of season cards sold for the next year.. Positives only at the club, wallowing in blame and self pity is utterly pointless..  |
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Post by lorddriffield on Apr 7, 2019 12:05:48 GMT 1
I think it was wishful thinking that brought Jan to the club, hoping for some kind of fairytale ending. The hard truth is though the poor fella is probably out of his depth in the Prem when you consider where he has come from. If his skills are enough to compete in the Championship is a huge question, and a big risk for the club to take. More experience from a new manager would be the right direction to take instead of Jan's "learning by doing" methods. If such a new manager was to appear I'd like to see Gary McAllister take on the role. He would need some persuading to leave Steven Gerrard's side at Rangers but I think it could be done. The guy's got enough experience as a player and manager and it would really piss Leeds Utd fans off big time if he was successful at Town.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 12:31:11 GMT 1
I think it was wishful thinking that brought Jan to the club, hoping for some kind of fairytale ending. The hard truth is though the poor fella is probably out of his depth in the Prem when you consider where he has come from. If his skills are enough to compete in the Championship is a huge question, and a big risk for the club to take. More experience from a new manager would be the right direction to take instead of Jan's "learning by doing" methods. If such a new manager was to appear I'd like to see Gary McAllister take on the role. He would need some persuading to leave Steven Gerrard's side at Rangers but I think it could be done. The guy's got enough experience as a player and manager and it would really piss Leeds Utd fans off big time if he was successful at Town. Gary McAllister!!!!!!   ! Done absolutely nothing in management but get the sack. Honestly, some people, hang your head in shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 12:35:52 GMT 1
I think it was wishful thinking that brought Jan to the club, hoping for some kind of fairytale ending. The hard truth is though the poor fella is probably out of his depth in the Prem when you consider where he has come from. If his skills are enough to compete in the Championship is a huge question, and a big risk for the club to take. More experience from a new manager would be the right direction to take instead of Jan's "learning by doing" methods. If such a new manager was to appear I'd like to see Gary McAllister take on the role. He would need some persuading to leave Steven Gerrard's side at Rangers but I think it could be done. The guy's got enough experience as a player and manager and it would really piss Leeds Utd fans off big time if he was successful at Town. Gary McAllister? Are you 2 days into a sesh and on your 4th bag of charlie? |
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 7, 2019 12:39:44 GMT 1
I think it was wishful thinking that brought Jan to the club, hoping for some kind of fairytale ending. The hard truth is though the poor fella is probably out of his depth in the Prem when you consider where he has come from. If his skills are enough to compete in the Championship is a huge question, and a big risk for the club to take. More experience from a new manager would be the right direction to take instead of Jan's "learning by doing" methods. If such a new manager was to appear I'd like to see Gary McAllister take on the role. He would need some persuading to leave Steven Gerrard's side at Rangers but I think it could be done. The guy's got enough experience as a player and manager and it would really piss Leeds Utd fans off big time if he was successful at Town. Gary McAllister? Are you 2 days into a sesh and on your 4th bag of charlie? Have you got some Charlie? |
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Post by ritchie on Apr 7, 2019 12:55:51 GMT 1
If i had a pound for every time someone on here has said "but when wagner came in you could at least see what he was trying to do" jesus christ he followed chris feckin powell....... otium would have made us halfway decent Had jan come in at that time im sure he would have seemed fairly revolutionary in style Im not trying to discredit wagners achievements, or say jan will have as big an impact in his second season as wagner but the situations are incomparable. wagner came in when the club needed a dream selling and they bought into it. the difference in quality between us and the rest was also much narrower, so gaining a few % could raise us out of the shit Jans come in to a team who probably still loved wagner for a start and didnt want him gone. instantly hes fighting a difficult battle - not to mention completely broken confidence with pretty much zero chance of staying up. Please dont use that as some marker to say we cant look a totally different prospect next year. if we are comparing him to wagners tenure its only fair to also compare to farkes' - who most norwich fans wanted rid of. (though i think its daft to compare to either) Theres going to be some big goings on this summer  and its hard to know who will make it through, jan included, but lets see on the other side |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 7, 2019 13:17:59 GMT 1
One thing evident within the first couple of months of Wagner was better levels of fitness albeit from a lower base but we quickly looked fitter than our rivals
We presently run out of steam and concede a lot of late goals - it’s a worry and despite what JS says on fitness I’m not seeing it yet tbh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 13:20:19 GMT 1
we are relegated..same as all relegated clubs its time to apportion blame and its easier to single out the manager, even in the ridiculous terms and circumstances that we have here.. the call for an experienced championship manager from those who revere Wagner's contribution here is quite odd... maybe its because we have more cash now and it has to be a manager who WILL spend it well?? sorry we have all seen that go badly wrong before.. Jan has to go because he fell out with some of the players?? I would be suspicious of his intentions and passion for the job if he hadn't.. Lets try and refrain from over acting and over reacting to a season that became so bad it just needs lessons learned from it and the rest forgotten about.. We have had them before and we did not come out of them with so much money and a fine number of season cards sold for the next year.. Positives only at the club, wallowing in blame and self pity is utterly pointless.. top marks for your post as you say total over reactioin as usuall from the ill informed |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 13:31:02 GMT 1
we are relegated..same as all relegated clubs its time to apportion blame and its easier to single out the manager, even in the ridiculous terms and circumstances that we have here.. the call for an experienced championship manager from those who revere Wagner's contribution here is quite odd... maybe its because we have more cash now and it has to be a manager who WILL spend it well?? sorry we have all seen that go badly wrong before.. Jan has to go because he fell out with some of the players?? I would be suspicious of his intentions and passion for the job if he hadn't.. Lets try and refrain from over acting and over reacting to a season that became so bad it just needs lessons learned from it and the rest forgotten about.. We have had them before and we did not come out of them with so much money and a fine number of season cards sold for the next year.. Positives only at the club, wallowing in blame and self pity is utterly pointless.. top marks for your post as you say total over reactioin as usuall from the ill informed Over reactions to a manager with zero footballing credentials and no management credentials at all. He is out of his depth at this and Championship level. There is nothing anyone has seen in his approach, his tactics, his man management to suggest he remotely deserves a kitty in the summer. If you can enlighten me and the ill informed to what you’ve seen, that would be fantastic. It’s a forum, people agree and disagree, but there may be an argument to keep him as the season was done, his own players etc. But there is also a counter argument, as stated above. Just because people don’t agree with your post, does not see them knowing bugger all about the situation |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 7, 2019 14:48:32 GMT 1
If a decision is made to change in the summer Alex Neill might be a good fit, wasting his time at Preston.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 7, 2019 14:55:02 GMT 1
One thing evident within the first couple of months of Wagner was better levels of fitness albeit from a lower base but we quickly looked fitter than our rivals We presently run out of steam and concede a lot of late goals - it’s a worry and despite what JS says on fitness I’m not seeing it yet tbh We're not playing Burton, Rotherham and Barnsley though are we. The chances of conceding last goals in the Premier League is a lot higher |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Apr 7, 2019 14:56:14 GMT 1
He’s having to make do with what he was given. Initially, when he dropped players, there was agreement on here that it was about time. Now, suddenly, being honest with players who he deems not good enough is construed as having lost the dressing room. He may have to learn about Man management, but under the circumstances, this is as good an environment as any to find this out. No idea whether his tactics are good/bad or average, but again, he’s working with what was left to him. He should now know who he would like to keep and who he can let go. Any new manager would not have that advantage. I say stay with him until at least Christmas, so that we can judge his ability on acquiring new players.
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Post by leroy212 on Apr 7, 2019 14:57:10 GMT 1
Don't care if he has upset some players. Some players been taking it far to easy this season. Let's see where we are at Christmas next year before deciding we should sack him
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 15:00:51 GMT 1
top marks for your post as you say total over reactioin as usuall from the ill informed Over reactions to a manager with zero footballing credentials and no management credentials at all. He is out of his depth at this and Championship level. There is nothing anyone has seen in his approach, his tactics, his man management to suggest he remotely deserves a kitty in the summer. If you can enlighten me and the ill informed to what you’ve seen, that would be fantastic. It’s a forum, people agree and disagree, but there may be an argument to keep him as the season was done, his own players etc. But there is also a counter argument, as stated above. Just because people don’t agree with your post, does not see them knowing bugger all about the situation Yes and he's come from such a small club as well... Borussia Dortmund.... why would we ever get a manager from there and believe he could cut it? |
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Post by mrg on Apr 7, 2019 15:04:23 GMT 1
I'm not from the change the head coach at the first sign of a problem brigade, but despite early shoots and a passionate win against wolves weve done nothing since.
These players are good enough to play in the PL, that was proved last year. Lots has gone wrong and we are where we are, but fighting for the club is the minimum requirement.
Falling out with Zanka and billing is one thing, but falling out with Jonas Lossel is another imo. Jonas is the guy whose world class save bought this club another £100m+ to play with. Yes zanka and billing were part of the same team but imo nowhere near as influential. Say what you will but losing Lossel is huge, again, imo. Yes zanka bought fans a few pints, but ultimately he is average at this level. The less said about billing the better, hes got loads of potential etc.
Hanging lossel out to dry is hugely disrespectful for me unless he has said he is going to let goals in and hes lost his head. We are bottom of the table for Gods sake, we need to pick something up from somewhere and 2 goals were the fault of his replacements yesterday.
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Post by wigster on Apr 7, 2019 15:21:30 GMT 1
His statement that They were more clinical is a bit obvious imo. No point saying it. Massive job on his hands. For me, saying "they were more clinical" suggests that both teams had roughly equal chances/dangerous positions but they just made better use of theirs. That unfortunately is not a true reflection. Leicester could literally have scored 9 (I could name them but can't be bothered) from the positions and chances they created we could have scored, possibly,3 and our goal was due to Grant's persistence, not a team creation. I presume JS's comments were aimed at those who didn't see the match. He DOES seem to have a massive job on his hands, but equally he does seem to be very much a novice. Just one plea - if you disagree with me fair enough but please don't bother using words like "fuckwits" or other over-aggressive terms. We all feel passionately and support Town but let's do it in a civilised manner. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 15:25:22 GMT 1
Over reactions to a manager with zero footballing credentials and no management credentials at all. He is out of his depth at this and Championship level. There is nothing anyone has seen in his approach, his tactics, his man management to suggest he remotely deserves a kitty in the summer. If you can enlighten me and the ill informed to what you’ve seen, that would be fantastic. It’s a forum, people agree and disagree, but there may be an argument to keep him as the season was done, his own players etc. But there is also a counter argument, as stated above. Just because people don’t agree with your post, does not see them knowing bugger all about the situation Yes and he's come from such a small club as well... Borussia Dortmund.... why would we ever get a manager from there and believe he could cut it? Yes, Reserves. Lets employ Ricky Sbragia, Man United Reserves manager, at least he has some league experience with Sunderland and Man United are a big club, so that logic would work. We got one before and granted Norwich Citys manager is doing well so far, but every manager ive mentioned in this reply has some form of half decent footballing experience and has gone on to manage at a half decent level, one got 2 promotions, Jan Siewert got sacked from a 4th tier German team and then went to manage the young ones. The argument you have just made is absolutely laughable and thats being nice |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Apr 7, 2019 15:37:55 GMT 1
we are relegated..same as all relegated clubs its time to apportion blame and its easier to single out the manager, even in the ridiculous terms and circumstances that we have here.. the call for an experienced championship manager from those who revere Wagner's contribution here is quite odd... maybe its because we have more cash now and it has to be a manager who WILL spend it well?? sorry we have all seen that go badly wrong before.. Jan has to go because he fell out with some of the players?? I would be suspicious of his intentions and passion for the job if he hadn't.. Lets try and refrain from over acting and over reacting to a season that became so bad it just needs lessons learned from it and the rest forgotten about.. We have had them before and we did not come out of them with so much money and a fine number of season cards sold for the next year.. Positives only at the club, wallowing in blame and self pity is utterly pointless.. top marks for your post as you say total over reactioin as usuall from the ill informed Those who don't think Jan is the man = ill informed, thick as pig shit, not real town fans, PlayStationers, clueless... Those who think he should be given the start of next season irrelevant of performances and results = real town fans, informed. Classic stuff. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Apr 7, 2019 15:39:25 GMT 1
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Post by crux on Apr 7, 2019 16:03:31 GMT 1
Can any of the happy clappers give us some positives to cling to, you know little nuggets to suggest something, anything that jan has improved? There must be something but me personally I can’t think of a single one. Come on jan fans, don’t just tell us we’re talking shit, prove it. Tell us why jans the man. I'm not sure I'm a happy clapper, but he's stopped selecting the players who have said they are leaving or want to leave - Lossl, Zanka, Billing, LDP. He's also tried not to pick Flo or Mounie unless he really has to. None of those 6 (plus a free few others) will be around next season. He's also given Diakhaby and Mbenza a chance, some don't rate them but they've both already got more assists than Ince had last season. He's given a few youth players a chance. We look as though we're trying to score, rather than sitting back and hoping for a 0-0. I know the players aren't good enough at this level, apart from Mooy. We were essentially relegated at Fulham in December, so you've got to accept that this is the start of our pre-season. However the teams we're playing against are playing for real and are mostly much better than us. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 7, 2019 16:31:24 GMT 1
One thing evident within the first couple of months of Wagner was better levels of fitness albeit from a lower base but we quickly looked fitter than our rivals We presently run out of steam and concede a lot of late goals - it’s a worry and despite what JS says on fitness I’m not seeing it yet tbh We're not playing Burton, Rotherham and Barnsley though are we. The chances of conceding last goals in the Premier League is a lot higher Fitness isn’t the same as talent though We've finished a few games literally on the ropes despite being “in it” versus palace and Leicester and ahead v West Ham entering the last ten mins ... our players look spent while opponents find space with ease |
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Post by Amigo on Apr 7, 2019 17:00:17 GMT 1
If i had a pound for every time someone on here has said "but when wagner came in you could at least see what he was trying to do" jesus christ he followed chris feckin powell....... otium would have made us halfway decent Had jan come in at that time im sure he would have seemed fairly revolutionary in style Im not trying to discredit wagners achievements, or say jan will have as big an impact in his second season as wagner but the situations are incomparable. wagner came in when the club needed a dream selling and they bought into it. the difference in quality between us and the rest was also much narrower, so gaining a few % could raise us out of the shit Jans come in to a team who probably still loved wagner for a start and didnt want him gone. instantly hes fighting a difficult battle - not to mention completely broken confidence with pretty much zero chance of staying up. Please dont use that as some marker to say we cant look a totally different prospect next year. if we are comparing him to wagners tenure its only fair to also compare to farkes' - who most norwich fans wanted rid of. (though i think its daft to compare to either) Theres going to be some big goings on this summer and its hard to know who will make it through, jan included, but lets see on the other side Results wise Wagner didn't improve us particularly for a fair few months but it was obvious to see he had a plan of how he wants his team to play. I didn't expect a huge upturn in results and I'm not saying Siewart should be sacked but there doesn't appear to be a plan. I thought there was when he came in but it's changed that many times I don't know what it could be anymore. Saying they had been working on a plan for Vardy just seemed really odd. If Siewart had come in when Wagner did and looked revolutionary in his style like you said, can I just ask what the style is? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 7, 2019 17:24:51 GMT 1
top marks for your post as you say total over reactioin as usuall from the ill informed Over reactions to a manager with zero footballing credentials and no management credentials at all. He is out of his depth at this and Championship level. There is nothing anyone has seen in his approach, his tactics, his man management to suggest he remotely deserves a kitty in the summer. If you can enlighten me and the ill informed to what you’ve seen, that would be fantastic. It’s a forum, people agree and disagree, but there may be an argument to keep him as the season was done, his own players etc. But there is also a counter argument, as stated above. Just because people don’t agree with your post, does not see them knowing bugger all about the situation when wagner came we got some good hidings, played games where we clearly didnt all read from the same hymm book and it took some time.. add to that 12 game losing streak, injuries and a fucking black cloud of defeat and defeatism pervading the team and the staff and you have where we were/are.. its a guess that Jan will be good enough/not good enough but ffs there has to be a shedding of players and some new recruitment for a different division and some TIME for the bloke to have a good go at it.. the chopping and changing of managers is disruptive but doing it when the squad is going to change quite a bit and the new league we will be in is totally different to the one we have been in, is stupid.. Norwich are top by a shitload with good/lucky free's and sensible priced players to fit the managers game plan.. There are great managers, good managers and lucky ones, I will take Jan being lucky above the other 2 options in a heartbeat.. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 17:27:13 GMT 1
Can't we just sack 10% of our fans who confuse FIFA 19 with real life. Get a fucking grip.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 17:30:18 GMT 1
Over reactions to a manager with zero footballing credentials and no management credentials at all. He is out of his depth at this and Championship level. There is nothing anyone has seen in his approach, his tactics, his man management to suggest he remotely deserves a kitty in the summer. If you can enlighten me and the ill informed to what you’ve seen, that would be fantastic. It’s a forum, people agree and disagree, but there may be an argument to keep him as the season was done, his own players etc. But there is also a counter argument, as stated above. Just because people don’t agree with your post, does not see them knowing bugger all about the situation when wagner came we got some good hidings, played games where we clearly didnt all read from the same hymm book and it took some time.. add to that 12 game losing streak, injuries and a fucking black cloud of defeat and defeatism pervading the team and the staff and you have where we were/are.. its a guess that Jan will be good enough/not good enough but ffs there has to be a shedding of players and some new recruitment for a different division and some TIME for the bloke to have a good go at it.. the chopping and changing of managers is disruptive but doing it when the squad is going to change quite a bit and the new league we will be in is totally different to the one we have been in, is stupid.. Norwich are top by a shitload with good/lucky free's and sensible priced players to fit the managers game plan.. There are great managers, good managers and lucky ones, I will take Jan being lucky above the other 2 options in a heartbeat.. We did take hidings indeed, but you could see what was developing. A new strategy and plan, granted off the back of a shite manager in Powell, but his plan was being cast. Siewert has spoke a good game and not done absolutely anything in terms of showing it on the field or with his man management of certain individuals. If we stick with him, which i think we will, then time will tell, with who he brings in and what system we change to and play, if any. I honestly cant see it working out, i was positive and gave him a go when he came in, but im failing to find a single positive about him or what he is trying to implement. Suppose lets see who he brings in and see how the first 5 or so games pan out, but i dont think he will be here past October. Hope im wrong and i will hold my hands up if so, but his profile speaks for himself to me. There is absolutely nothing on there to suggest we will succeed in anyway shape or form |
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