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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 12:49:08 GMT 1
Jesus Freire you are not the secret police - people are allowed to hold differing opinions to you in the absence of certain facts regarding the takeover. Tomorrow at the q and a hopefully some of the holes will be filled in. Feel free to ask away then in the presence of the secret police.... ;-) |
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Post by thrice on May 4, 2019 12:54:14 GMT 1
What’s the craic with canal side now? Heard very little recently. The development has been delayed until Summer 2020. I’m sure conspiracy theories will abound about it but it’s for seemingly sensible reasons. Might get more clarity on it from Deano tomorrow & our direction of travel from here on as a club. I think it’s great that we have another town custodian at the helm & that the great man remains. Let’s hope this is just the start of another great era. Thank you Deano & good luck to Phil. Let’s get right behind them & enjoy the ride. |
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Post by mrscribbs on May 4, 2019 13:06:50 GMT 1
Most important thing is to thank Hoyle for the way he has taken the club forward over the last 10 years - a true legend. Putting his health and family first is absolutely the right thing to do.
Going forward picking a town fan to run the club is again in my view absolutely the correct decision. Phil may not have the funds that others have but he will have the best interests of the club at heart like Hoyle , and whilst personally I am not convinced by JS if Phil and Dean back him then we have to go with that.
The important questions are whether Dean is keeping his loan in place and whether the parachute payments/player sales are to be utilised on buying Deans shares/repaying his loan or are available for team restructuring.I personally trust Dean and therefore believe either Phil has some exterior backing or Dean is keeping his loan in place and selling at a low price ( possibly with a long earn out ) in order that funds will be available in the summer for team strengthening. I also think if it doesn't work out Dean would take the club back again ( subject to his health at the time) and I am reassured that he will remain on the board with a 25% holding.
Both Phil and Dean deserve our best wishes going forward.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:17:48 GMT 1
I trust his judgement and im backing the new man. Is it not understandable as a supporter to ask questions about this guy? Or are we all living in a world filled with candy floss and sugar canes? Maybe I have a sweet tooth or not but if you're so confident about your doubts - then get down to Canalside tomorrow face to face and put them forward to DH - it's easy to make assertions anonymously on an online forum so go ahead subject them to some critical scrutiny in the real world.... Sure DH will answer my question of "How much money has he got then?" Anonymously....if you think i could give a flying fuck about asking a question to another human being, youre a bit of a bell. Making out like its a scary thing to do, i do it for a living as do many others. I said i trust Deans judgement, its understandable to wonder about this guys financial clout, so pull your head out of your arse. |
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Post by otterman on May 4, 2019 13:22:28 GMT 1
DH total respect. Pancreatitis is no fun. He could have sold to the highest bidder, but has sold, without selling out.
Hope David Wagner is there tomorrow with Dean. What an adventure the past 10 years have been.
Good luck to Dean, Phil and everyone involved with HTAFc.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 4, 2019 13:23:14 GMT 1
tribute to Dean on Sunday is a bit previous, he is still here, a major shareholder and probably still very much involved in big decisions..
the 'wake' for the clubs future that some would like to hold is likewise very premature..
As Norwich have ably shown its not what you spend its who you buy, but given Jan has already been written off its clear that some town 'fans' won't be coming to watch the team anyway..maybe just wait and save 299 quid and enjoy saying 'I told you so' on here???
A Chairman/owner does not require to have anything other than proveable, accessible assets... written and signed and checked proof will do, wether the money is his or not, because he has the authority to access it.. This bloke is trusted by Dean at the moment to spend his/Towns money, Dean is still there, there is not a huge change as yet..
You do not become a 'big club' overnight, Leicester really did prove that even with their success..
We had a massive change that clearly we were not ready for, time to be ambitious but sensibly so, I feel..
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:27:26 GMT 1
Maybe I have a sweet tooth or not but if you're so confident about your doubts - then get down to Canalside tomorrow face to face and put them forward to DH - it's easy to make assertions anonymously on an online forum so go ahead subject them to some critical scrutiny in the real world.... Sure DH will answer my question of "How much money has he got then?" Anonymously....if you think i could give a flying fuck about asking a question to another human being, youre a bit of a bell. Making out like its a scary thing to do, i do it for a living as do many others. I said i trust Deans judgement, its understandable to wonder about this guys financial clout, so pull your head out of your arse. Well being such an expert in asking questions, then you should know that the art of getting the answers you require lie in asking the right questions but you know that already - and er you resorting to swearing leads me to suspect that you're not as articulate as you think you are - online or face to face... |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:30:16 GMT 1
Sure DH will answer my question of "How much money has he got then?" Anonymously....if you think i could give a flying fuck about asking a question to another human being, youre a bit of a bell. Making out like its a scary thing to do, i do it for a living as do many others. I said i trust Deans judgement, its understandable to wonder about this guys financial clout, so pull your head out of your arse. Well being such an expert in asking questions, then you should know that the art of getting the answers you require lie in asking the right questions but you know that already - and er you resorting to swearing leads me to suspect that you're not as articulate as you think you are - online or face to face... Swearing doesnt determine how articulate you are, ask Nick. Dont know where this myth comes from that if you swear youre not educated/clever etc, full on horse shit. Picking at points about the sale and quizzing certain aspects, to be pulled up by you, as you have done every other poster thats done this, leads me to believe that youre a knob. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:34:18 GMT 1
Well being such an expert in asking questions, then you should know that the art of getting the answers you require lie in asking the right questions but you know that already - and er you resorting to swearing leads me to suspect that you're not as articulate as you think you are - online or face to face... Swearing doesnt determine how articulate you are, ask Nick. Dont know where this myth comes from that if you swear youre not educated/clever etc, full on horse shit. Picking at points about the sale and quizzing certain aspects, to be pulled up by you, as you have done every other poster thats done this, leads me to believe that youre a knob. Well there you go again... case proven...keep digging mate |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 4, 2019 13:35:38 GMT 1
Well being such an expert in asking questions, then you should know that the art of getting the answers you require lie in asking the right questions but you know that already - and er you resorting to swearing leads me to suspect that you're not as articulate as you think you are - online or face to face... Swearing doesnt determine how articulate you are, ask Nick. Dont know where this myth comes from that if you swear youre not educated/clever etc, full on horse shit. Picking at points about the sale and quizzing certain aspects, to be pulled up by you, as you have done every other poster thats done this, leads me to believe that youre a knob. its a moot point as he does not 'require' a bean to his name to be owner or chairman of a football club, he just has to be able to do the job.. The 'money' can be quite seperate as long as he has full backing and legal agreement to be able to access/spend it.. I dont believe there will be huge arguments over one side wanting to spend big and the other side urging caution.. Hopefully a 'team' will be in place to sensibly discuss decisions to take the club forward and upwards, again.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:41:07 GMT 1
Swearing doesnt determine how articulate you are, ask Nick. Dont know where this myth comes from that if you swear youre not educated/clever etc, full on horse shit. Picking at points about the sale and quizzing certain aspects, to be pulled up by you, as you have done every other poster thats done this, leads me to believe that youre a knob. its a moot point as he does not 'require' a bean to his name to be owner or chairman of a football club, he just has to be able to do the job.. The 'money' can be quite seperate as long as he has full backing and legal agreement to be able to access/spend it.. I dont believe there will be huge arguments over one side wanting to spend big and the other side urging caution.. Hopefully a 'team' will be in place to sensibly discuss decisions to take the club forward and upwards, again.. Fully get that, but when it states he has purchased 75%, im just wondering how? By himself, which is hard to believe, or with others as part of a consortium, which obviously in the statement released, there is no mention. As fans we are right to quiz and like i said, i back DH and his decision and i fully back this new man, i was merely bringing up some points, to which this weird creature has quoted anyone asking questions. Its a forum, its what it is used for and im only saying what i and others see in terms of his own financial clout. What happens when the parachute payments are no more etc, does he fund it himself? Whats the long term? But then again, i wont ask it as that muppet will quote and tell me to send a pigeon inviting DH to have a meeting face to face and ask it himself. Sure someone will ask a question along the lines at Canalside however |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:41:46 GMT 1
Swearing doesnt determine how articulate you are, ask Nick. Dont know where this myth comes from that if you swear youre not educated/clever etc, full on horse shit. Picking at points about the sale and quizzing certain aspects, to be pulled up by you, as you have done every other poster thats done this, leads me to believe that youre a knob. Well there you go again... case proven...keep digging mate Alright Detective Inspector Dickhead, case closed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:43:03 GMT 1
You can have the ‘best interests’ of the club at heart or say you do but how can you if you don’t have any money to invest? How are the best interest of the club served by having a fan with no money as the owner/chairman? He just comes in sells our best players and uses up the parachute money as the clubs resources?
I’ve got the best interest of the club at heart but I don’t have enough money to take it on and benefit the club. As for Dean- as well as being a fantastic businessman who created his own wealth from scratch, he also invested millions of his money to push the club on. That’s also partly why he was a great chairman. Not just the fact he was a town fan.
I understand his health has declined so completely understand he had to sell but I’m struggling to see how the club is going to move forward with a rookie manager on a losing streak and an ambulance chaser with no money.
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Post by mickwadsworth26 on May 4, 2019 13:45:14 GMT 1
Excellent post joe
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 13:47:29 GMT 1
Well there you go again... case proven...keep digging mate Alright Detective Inspector Dickhead, case closed. I look forward to hearing your surgical questioning of Dean Hoyle's judgement tomorrow.... |
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Post by dalesterrier on May 4, 2019 13:47:41 GMT 1
What’s the craic with canal side now? Heard very little recently. The development has been delayed until Summer 2020. I’m sure conspiracy theories will abound about it but it’s for seemingly sensible reasons. Might get more clarity on it from Deano tomorrow & our direction of travel from here on as a club. I think it’s great that we have another town custodian at the helm & that the great man remains. Let’s hope this is just the start of another great era. Thank you Deano & good luck to Phil. Let’s get right behind them & enjoy the ride. Haven't they already begun building in the far car park?? |
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Post by thrice on May 4, 2019 13:54:00 GMT 1
The development has been delayed until Summer 2020. I’m sure conspiracy theories will abound about it but it’s for seemingly sensible reasons. Might get more clarity on it from Deano tomorrow & our direction of travel from here on as a club. I think it’s great that we have another town custodian at the helm & that the great man remains. Let’s hope this is just the start of another great era. Thank you Deano & good luck to Phil. Let’s get right behind them & enjoy the ride. Haven't they already begun building in the far car park?? Yes, all the groundwork are complete ready for the new development. The new training pitch is laid & already being watered. |
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Post by pawsterrier on May 4, 2019 14:00:30 GMT 1
You can have the ‘best interests’ of the club at heart or say you do but how can you if you don’t have any money to invest? How are the best interest of the club served by having a fan with no money as the owner/chairman? He just comes in sells our best players and uses up the parachute money as the clubs resources? I’ve got the best interest of the club at heart but I don’t have enough money to take it on and benefit the club. As for Dean- as well as being a fantastic businessman who created his own wealth from scratch, he also invested millions of his money to push the club on. That’s also partly why he was a great chairman. Not just the fact he was a town fan. I understand his health has declined so completely understand he had to sell but I’m struggling to see how the club is going to move forward with a rookie manager on a losing streak and an ambulance chaser with no money. Lol "an ambulance chaser with no money" sounds a bit harsh! If he has no money i presume he is coming with a consortium of other bloodless, parasitic ambulance chasers/asset strippers:p. I presume dean has kept the 25% to make sure there are no shenanigans like this |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 4, 2019 14:03:21 GMT 1
its a moot point as he does not 'require' a bean to his name to be owner or chairman of a football club, he just has to be able to do the job.. The 'money' can be quite seperate as long as he has full backing and legal agreement to be able to access/spend it.. I dont believe there will be huge arguments over one side wanting to spend big and the other side urging caution.. Hopefully a 'team' will be in place to sensibly discuss decisions to take the club forward and upwards, again.. Fully get that, but when it states he has purchased 75%, im just wondering how? By himself, which is hard to believe, or with others as part of a consortium, which obviously in the statement released, there is no mention. As fans we are right to quiz and like i said, i back DH and his decision and i fully back this new man, i was merely bringing up some points, to which this weird creature has quoted anyone asking questions. Its a forum, its what it is used for and im only saying what i and others see in terms of his own financial clout. What happens when the parachute payments are no more etc, does he fund it himself? Whats the long term? But then again, i wont ask it as that muppet will quote and tell me to send a pigeon inviting DH to have a meeting face to face and ask it himself. Sure someone will ask a question along the lines at Canalside however you are allowed to wonder, the club has no duty to tell you.. clearly he himself does not have the assets at this time but this does not preclude him having authority over spending/investing someone/organisation's money if they do not wish, at this time, to be named etc.. The full agreements may have many, many clauses regarding extra investment should we get promoted or get outs if we dont etc.. Even if 3 Russian oligarchs had taken over in a blaze of photo opportunity media blitz announcements most of the financial agreements would not be public knowledge.. Dean's loans to the club are still running so its possible they are not being paid back as yet so its probably quite complicated but the nub is that the same money is available as it was 2 days ago and sales/purchases are still as important as they were 2 days ago.. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 4, 2019 14:08:34 GMT 1
You can have the ‘best interests’ of the club at heart or say you do but how can you if you don’t have any money to invest? How are the best interest of the club served by having a fan with no money as the owner/chairman? He just comes in sells our best players and uses up the parachute money as the clubs resources? I’ve got the best interest of the club at heart but I don’t have enough money to take it on and benefit the club. As for Dean- as well as being a fantastic businessman who created his own wealth from scratch, he also invested millions of his money to push the club on. That’s also partly why he was a great chairman. Not just the fact he was a town fan. I understand his health has declined so completely understand he had to sell but I’m struggling to see how the club is going to move forward with a rookie manager on a losing streak and an ambulance chaser with no money. Lol "an ambulance chaser with no money" sounds a bit harsh! If he has no money i presume he is coming with a consortium of other bloodless, parasitic ambulance chasers/asset strippers:p. I presume dean has kept the 25% to make sure there are no shenanigans like this Joe, you could be Chairman and 'designated' owner of a huge company on a wage plus bonuses, without having a quid of your own in the accounts.. Can he sign a company cheque for the amount required?? if so then its then down to his accumen on getting the best deal for that cheque.. The money and where it comes from, even with Dean owning the club, was and always will be a long and very windy road that its come down.. |
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Post by deadleg on May 4, 2019 14:12:05 GMT 1
The way this season's panned out I'd be more than happy for us to be a middling Championship club next season. It's all I've ever really hoped for the vast majority of the time I've been supporting Town. Middle of the Championship, occasionally being in the promotion race and consistently attempting to entertain on the pitch would do me for the foreseeable. If the stars align again and we get another go at the top flight then great, but personally I could live without it. I'd be surprised if being comfortable in the Championship and financially stable wasn't always the realistic long-term goal, with anything on top of that a bonus. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 14:13:15 GMT 1
The way this season's panned out I'd be more than happy for us to be a middling Championship club next season. It's all I've ever really hoped for the vast majority of the time I've been supporting Town. Middle of the Championship, occasionally being in the promotion race and consistently attempting to entertain on the pitch would do me for the foreseeable. If the stars align again and we get another go at the top flight then great, but personally I could live without it. I'd be surprised if being comfortable in the Championship and financially stable wasn't always the realistic long-term goal, with anything on top of that a bonus. Nothing less than top half for me. |
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Post by El Mel on May 4, 2019 14:20:25 GMT 1
It's all I've ever really hoped for the vast majority of the time I've been supporting Town. Middle of the Championship, occasionally being in the promotion race and consistently attempting to entertain on the pitch would do me for the foreseeable. If the stars align again and we get another go at the top flight then great, but personally I could live without it. I'd be surprised if being comfortable in the Championship and financially stable wasn't always the realistic long-term goal, with anything on top of that a bonus. Nothing less than top half for me. What if we finish 4th bottom ahead of Leeds on goal difference! |
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Post by town1907 on May 4, 2019 14:20:32 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 4, 2019 14:21:03 GMT 1
Truthfully I’d rather a seasoned successful self made millionaire Town fan run the club in a sensible way
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A wealthy investor playing roulette with the clubs very existence. It’s almost like Ruberry never happened!
Ideally I’d like a billionaire town fan but there isn’t one. Instead give me a sensible sustainable planning over a reckless short term gamble any day
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 14:22:50 GMT 1
It's all I've ever really hoped for the vast majority of the time I've been supporting Town. Middle of the Championship, occasionally being in the promotion race and consistently attempting to entertain on the pitch would do me for the foreseeable. If the stars align again and we get another go at the top flight then great, but personally I could live without it. I'd be surprised if being comfortable in the Championship and financially stable wasn't always the realistic long-term goal, with anything on top of that a bonus. Nothing less than top half for me. You can’t aim just to be comfortable. Swansea, West Nrom and Stoke all thought they were comfortable in the PL and they got a rude awakening! |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 14:26:00 GMT 1
Nothing less than top half for me. What if we finish 4th bottom ahead of Leeds on goal difference! No chance. Leeds will get promoted at Wembley against Villa with the winning goal scored by Patrick Bamford |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 14:37:54 GMT 1
The development has been delayed until Summer 2020. I’m sure conspiracy theories will abound about it but it’s for seemingly sensible reasons. Might get more clarity on it from Deano tomorrow & our direction of travel from here on as a club. I think it’s great that we have another town custodian at the helm & that the great man remains. Let’s hope this is just the start of another great era. Thank you Deano & good luck to Phil. Let’s get right behind them & enjoy the ride. Haven't they already begun building in the far car park?? on the new pitch yes |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 14:56:04 GMT 1
its a moot point as he does not 'require' a bean to his name to be owner or chairman of a football club, he just has to be able to do the job.. The 'money' can be quite seperate as long as he has full backing and legal agreement to be able to access/spend it.. I dont believe there will be huge arguments over one side wanting to spend big and the other side urging caution.. Hopefully a 'team' will be in place to sensibly discuss decisions to take the club forward and upwards, again.. Fully get that, but when it states he has purchased 75%, im just wondering how? By himself, which is hard to believe, or with others as part of a consortium, which obviously in the statement released, there is no mention. As fans we are right to quiz But why do you care HOW he has purchased 75% ?? Are you worried it’s the proceeds of crime or something?? Quite feasible that he’s taken on the control for figurative peanuts. It’s a company that is loaded with more than £50m in directors loans, it’s worth nothing. |
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