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Post by royrace on Jun 4, 2019 18:56:33 GMT 1
Sean seemed to confirm there was going to be a re-think on what was to be done at Canalside, call me cynical but I am guessing the re-think means not spending the £20M or so that was supposedly set aside from the PL money. New owner; new priorities I guess and/or maybe the cash is required elsewhere? Seems the rumours of it being 'shelved' aren't wide of the mark although work on the pitches is apparently on going. Bit of a shame tbh bearing in mind the benefits the club outlined and it seemed a very wise way to spend some of the PL windfall. it was always going to be done in phases and nothing has changed.new first team dressing rooms in place academy moving in to the old first team rooms. work to be done on back pitches on the other side of canal and then the building itself.it will be done You should let Sean Jarvis know then, he must be confused. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 4, 2019 19:15:36 GMT 1
Work has been ongoing on a new pitch, which has appears to have grass down when I was out with the nippers down the canal on Sunday, also the academy pitches have had the top surface removed so I assume so work is ongoing with them too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 19:51:34 GMT 1
Be a real shame if the plug is pulled. Would feel like the premiership has been a waste of time. Mass exodus of players, hoyle selling up, losing wagner, been embarrassed pretty much every week for 9 months, now potentially not even developing the training ground with the £350m+(?) from 2 seasons. Was it really worth it? What’s the training ground got to do with Hudds Town football club spending? It’s now just an independent 3rd party owned facility that the club will rent to use isn’t it? |
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Post by htfc1984 on Jun 4, 2019 20:01:54 GMT 1
Be a real shame if the plug is pulled. Would feel like the premiership has been a waste of time. Mass exodus of players, hoyle selling up, losing wagner, been embarrassed pretty much every week for 9 months, now potentially not even developing the training ground with the £350m+(?) from 2 seasons. Was it really worth it? What’s the training ground got to do with Hudds Town football club spending? It’s now just an independent 3rd party owned facility that the club will rent to use isn’t it? It may be NOW, but it wasn't when the original plans were announced. It was been funded by the chairman DH which one would assume would then indirectly come from EPL money. As stated above the works should have started immediately soon as we guaranteed a 2nd season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 20:34:40 GMT 1
it was always going to be done in phases and nothing has changed.new first team dressing rooms in place academy moving in to the old first team rooms. work to be done on back pitches on the other side of canal and then the building itself.it will be done You should let Sean Jarvis know then, he must be confused. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 20:35:55 GMT 1
You should let Sean Jarvis know then, he must be confused. just stating what has been done and will be done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 20:41:46 GMT 1
What’s the training ground got to do with Hudds Town football club spending? It’s now just an independent 3rd party owned facility that the club will rent to use isn’t it? It may be NOW, but it wasn't when the original plans were announced. It was been funded by the chairman DH which one would assume would then indirectly come from EPL money. As stated above the works should have started immediately soon as we guaranteed a 2nd season. But work HAS started |
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Post by royrace on Jun 4, 2019 21:55:53 GMT 1
It may be NOW, but it wasn't when the original plans were announced. It was been funded by the chairman DH which one would assume would then indirectly come from EPL money. As stated above the works should have started immediately soon as we guaranteed a 2nd season. But work HAS started It’s started but the plans have changed, confirmed by SJ in the podcast interview. Sean didn’t give details of the changes but I think we can guess what they will be and we won’t be spending the £20M PL money on it any more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 22:27:05 GMT 1
It’s started but the plans have changed, confirmed by SJ in the podcast interview. Sean didn’t give details of the changes but I think we can guess what they will be and we won’t be spending the £20M PL money on it any more. Heard it. Doesn't change the fact that work has started, so there's no need for someone to be having a hissy fit that work should've started as soon as the season finished |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 4, 2019 23:45:21 GMT 1
I guess one thing maybe not fractured in is that a bigger facility will cost more to run, meaning less revenue each year due players etc.
Seems the pitches are being prioritised over gym and recovery facilities as it sounds like it's the main building that is being delayed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 2:58:44 GMT 1
What’s the training ground got to do with Hudds Town football club spending? It’s now just an independent 3rd party owned facility that the club will rent to use isn’t it? It may be NOW, but it wasn't when the original plans were announced. It was been funded by the chairman DH which one would assume would then indirectly come from EPL money. As stated above the works should have started immediately soon as we guaranteed a 2nd season. Well they didn’t. And now is now. The football club isn’t going to siphon off funds simply because it used to have some kind of direct business relationship with Canalside via Dean. We need round two and three of the Phil Hodgkinson videos to come out sharpish, and with some actual info in them with regards to what he’s bought. For example, has Dean now moved the stadium shares into trust as he promised over the years that he would do ahead of the future sale of the football club?? As a Town fan, I want to hear this has happened and it should have been part of the initial messaging. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 3:05:59 GMT 1
I guess one thing maybe not fractured in is that a bigger facility will cost more to run, meaning less revenue each year due players etc. Seems the pitches are being prioritised over gym and recovery facilities as it sounds like it's the main building that is being delayed Dean Hoyle, “If the club is ever sold, then the new owner has two options. They can either buy it (Canalside) from me, or they can rent it on very, very attractive terms for the benefit of the club. It’s that simple.”. Has Phil Hodgkinson bought Canalside?? I think the answer is no. Operational costs of Canalside should have limited impact on Town. Dean will be good to his word on favourable terms I’m sure. (I think there is a set in stone rental fee payable on demand which has never been requested to be paid...I guess that may now change but I’d be surprised if the actual charge increased significantly with any expansion or development of Canalside). Also...another reason to move the public match day revenue generation away to LRPF where a more aggressive deal beneficial to the football club could be struck. |
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Post by htfc1984 on Jun 5, 2019 7:39:21 GMT 1
It’s started but the plans have changed, confirmed by SJ in the podcast interview. Sean didn’t give details of the changes but I think we can guess what they will be and we won’t be spending the £20M PL money on it any more. Heard it. Doesn't change the fact that work has started, so there's no need for someone to be having a hissy fit that work should've started as soon as the season finished No hissy fit over here I'm afraid. Only thing I am finding frustrating is the the lack of updates as to what is actually happening. Been a similar theme though for the last few months that the club hasn't been as open as it once was. Now things have seemed to be cleared up with the FA charges maybe more info will start to be released in regards to PH's plans |
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Post by royrace on Jun 5, 2019 8:21:36 GMT 1
Heard it. Doesn't change the fact that work has started, so there's no need for someone to be having a hissy fit that work should've started as soon as the season finished No hissy fit over here I'm afraid. Only thing I am finding frustrating is the the lack of updates as to what is actually happening. Been a similar theme though for the last few months that the club hasn't been as open as it once was. Now things have seemed to be cleared up with the FA charges maybe more info will start to be released in regards to PH's plans I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 8:57:20 GMT 1
No hissy fit over here I'm afraid. Only thing I am finding frustrating is the the lack of updates as to what is actually happening. Been a similar theme though for the last few months that the club hasn't been as open as it once was. Now things have seemed to be cleared up with the FA charges maybe more info will start to be released in regards to PH's plans I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players.Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Not doubting you, but when was this said and by who? |
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Post by royrace on Jun 5, 2019 9:03:50 GMT 1
I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players.Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Not doubting you, but when was this said and by who? I thought it was said or implied when the announcements were made about the training complex, I may be wrong but that's how I remember it! Im sure the info is out there but I dont have time to look! They can only do what they can do but its a little worrying imo and disappointing. Maybe Phil has just decided its not as much of a priority and we're going to spend it on players instead  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 9:16:17 GMT 1
Not doubting you, but when was this said and by who? I thought it was said or implied when the announcements were made about the training complex, I may be wrong but that's how I remember it! Im sure the info is out there but I dont have time to look! They can only do what they can do but its a little worrying imo and disappointing. Maybe Phil has just decided its not as much of a priority and we're going to spend it on players instead I doubt Phil would have made any decisions on Canalside seeing as it's solely owned by Dean. Anyway we'll have to wait and see, the project already in progress including a replica of the John Smiths pitch with floodlights and spectator stand won't be cheap. |
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Post by town1 on Jun 5, 2019 9:19:06 GMT 1
Think SJ said that JW was in charge of this project.
Enough said!
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Post by townrwe on Jun 5, 2019 9:22:19 GMT 1
My understanding is that the development will still go ahead, but in an abbreviated form.
Phase one and two were the training pitches, That will continue as planned.
Phase three was the building/stands etc. I would imagine like anything you put an architect in charge of the 20 million probably ended up closer to 30 million, so tough but necessary decisions will have needed to be made.
It would be ashame if it didn't go ahead in a reasonably similar scheme, because when you talk about Deanos legacy and the premier league legacy in years to come your not really going to see a massive amount.
We will remember success on the pitch, stabilising the club, getting our shares back and canalside.... but what did the premier league 280M bring apart from a great win at palace and a home win vs man utd...
I presume the plans will be ready to go if we manage to yo-yo in the next couple of years.... but Diakhaby and Mbenza or state of the art training facilities? It's been fritted away really.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 5, 2019 9:23:09 GMT 1
I guess one thing maybe not fractured in is that a bigger facility will cost more to run, meaning less revenue each year due players etc. Seems the pitches are being prioritised over gym and recovery facilities as it sounds like it's the main building that is being delayed Dean Hoyle, “If the club is ever sold, then the new owner has two options. They can either buy it (Canalside) from me, or they can rent it on very, very attractive terms for the benefit of the club. It’s that simple.”. Has Phil Hodgkinson bought Canalside?? I think the answer is no. Operational costs of Canalside should have limited impact on Town. Dean will be good to his word on favourable terms I’m sure. (I think there is a set in stone rental fee payable on demand which has never been requested to be paid...I guess that may now change but I’d be surprised if the actual charge increased significantly with any expansion or development of Canalside). Also...another reason to move the public match day revenue generation away to LRPF where a more aggressive deal beneficial to the football club could be struck. I don't doubt what you say generally. But simple logic. Increase the pitches from 2 to 4, means twice the manpower to look after them, twice the amount of fertilzer, seed and end of session renovations etc etc. required. I am not sure Dean Hoyle will be paying for that, and if he is, retty sure the rent will reflect the fact. Especially if fan based revenue moves away from the place as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 9:43:03 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle, “If the club is ever sold, then the new owner has two options. They can either buy it (Canalside) from me, or they can rent it on very, very attractive terms for the benefit of the club. It’s that simple.”. Has Phil Hodgkinson bought Canalside?? I think the answer is no. Operational costs of Canalside should have limited impact on Town. Dean will be good to his word on favourable terms I’m sure. (I think there is a set in stone rental fee payable on demand which has never been requested to be paid...I guess that may now change but I’d be surprised if the actual charge increased significantly with any expansion or development of Canalside). Also...another reason to move the public match day revenue generation away to LRPF where a more aggressive deal beneficial to the football club could be struck. I don't doubt what you say generally. But simple logic. Increase the pitches from 2 to 4, means twice the manpower to look after them, twice the amount of fertilzer, seed and end of session renovations etc etc. required. I am not sure Dean Hoyle will be paying for that, and if he is, retty sure the rent will reflect the fact. Especially if fan based revenue moves away from the place as well. The recently published Canalside accounts state... “D Hoyle has indicated that he intends to continue to support the group by not requiring repayment of amounts due to him and will introduce further funds where required” Have a look at the accounts filed by companies Crossco 1317, Crossco 1318, Gweco 510 and Gweco 511 for my guess of how this is all manipulated / funded. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 5, 2019 11:00:42 GMT 1
I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Wow. A lot of statements there that I didn’t know. The club can’t afford the £20 million complex. The money has vanished. Whoever said the plans are shelved are bang on. I am sure you are right but where do you have all this info, I presume the club have stated this? Or is it fake news? |
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Post by artysid on Jun 5, 2019 12:04:14 GMT 1
I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Wow. A lot of statements there that I didn’t know. The club can’t afford the £20 million complex. The money has vanished. Whoever said the plans are shelved are bang on. I am sure you are right but where do you have all this info, I presume the club have stated this? Or is it fake news? roy has been known to be prone to negativity  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 12:20:05 GMT 1
No hissy fit over here I'm afraid. Only thing I am finding frustrating is the the lack of updates as to what is actually happening. Been a similar theme though for the last few months that the club hasn't been as open as it once was. Now things have seemed to be cleared up with the FA charges maybe more info will start to be released in regards to PH's plans I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Everything was said at a time when the training complex was wholly owned and funded by someone who also wholly owned and funded HTFC. Things are bound to have changed with the sale. Ignoring the emotional attachment we have with Canalside as it feels like part of the club somehow...would we for example expect the football club to directly pay LRPF significantly for the improvements and changes expected there, in a newly positioned Fan Zone? I think not. But now expecting football club funds to be used to directly develop Canalside is a very similar situation...and as a fan I wouldn’t want any surplus funds to be used in such a manner, I’d prefer the focus to be on building a competitive team in the short term. What’s the chances that Hodgkinson is now in discussion with Dean about committing club funds to develop Canalside in exchange for some ownership of it perhaps?? That would seem a reasonable negotiation to consider? |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 5, 2019 12:26:10 GMT 1
We need to pay £20M to Olympiakos to take Mounie.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jun 5, 2019 12:32:56 GMT 1
Think SJ said that JW was in charge of this project. Enough said! I know that SJ is Sean Jarvis but who is JW? Sorry to appear thick. (Sometimes I wish that people would not type in "shorthand"  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 12:36:42 GMT 1
Think SJ said that JW was in charge of this project. Enough said! I know that SJ is Sean Jarvis but who is JW? Sorry to appear thick. (Sometimes I wish that people would not type in "shorthand" ) Julian Winter i guess. |
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Post by royrace on Jun 5, 2019 12:39:37 GMT 1
Wow. A lot of statements there that I didn’t know. The club can’t afford the £20 million complex. The money has vanished. Whoever said the plans are shelved are bang on. I am sure you are right but where do you have all this info, I presume the club have stated this? Or is it fake news? roy has been known to be prone to negativity Yes apologies for deviating away from the new DATM happy clappy society I don't think its negative to be discussing it at all though. Fact is it's worthy of discussion isnt it and it was a question asked and answered by Sean Jarvis in his podcast interview (maybe not everyone on here has listed to it). The plans have changed, the £20M new training complex has indeed been shelved as someone pointed out on this thread before no doubt being shouted down for daring to say something that could be construed as negative! I happen to think its worth of discussion, particularly since the idea had already been mentioned on here. Its not my money but personally I think its disappointing without even going into the reasons its been shelved/curtailed/watered down whatever way you want to put it. Maybe it just complicates the takeover who knows but if Im not mistaken Sean also said that things may change again if we're ever promoted. That implies it's dependent on finance. Maybe we'll learn more in Big Phil part II. |
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Post by artysid on Jun 5, 2019 12:41:59 GMT 1
I agree it's good to discuss it and I agree you're entitled to your point of view. I'm just saying that it often appears negative to me. Nowt wrong with that is there?
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Post by royrace on Jun 5, 2019 12:43:33 GMT 1
I think the bottom line is that the club can no longer afford to spend the £20M on the complex that was set aside from the Premier League money. The money was earmarked for the development and was to be a legacy from the PL. Now the takeover has happened that money seems to have vanished, I assume it's due to the takeover. It's a shame because as the club said the facility would be a tangible asset and would benefit the club for years to come. So whoever said the plans had been shelved was bang on despite people on this thread saying it was rubbish. As often is the case there's no smoke without fire. I'd like to think the club will explain its position on this since it was announced to fans with such enthusiasm and also used as a reason we wouldn't be spending more on players. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Wow. A lot of statements there that I didn’t know. The club can’t afford the £20 million complex. The money has vanished. Whoever said the plans are shelved are bang on. I am sure you are right but where do you have all this info, I presume the club have stated this? Or is it fake news?Have a listen to the podcast and see what you think, be interesting to hear your interpretation of what Sean said. |
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