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Post by impact on May 29, 2019 0:15:49 GMT 1
It seems that a few posters on this thread think that young players should be treated worse than they are. Let's follow the Southampton /Peterborough model, that'll learn 'em. If that's referring to the recent Bob Higgins case, what a shit comment. |
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Post by willo on May 29, 2019 0:26:24 GMT 1
Might not like this interview or his attitude since wagner left, but don';t agree with that at all. He is a far better player than you suggest. Our best player up to xmas. One of the few we had with genuine top flight quality. Don;t think it was the players fault wagner left anyway, but if youre trying to blame them for not putting in a shift, then Billing, top of distance covered and making more far more tackles and clearances than both his midfield partners in Mooy and Hogg per minute of gametime, isn't the player to blame. I would argue the stats don't show the actual performances. He had a few games where he looked a good player I'll give you that. A lot of his distance was his usual jog back but not actually helping and also going to take every single throw in on each side of the pitch. Prior to last season, Billing had the odd game where you thought there may be something special there. He had a really decent first half to last season where everything seemed to click and he was definitely our most improved player. Then we got into December and he fell away badly just like the rest of em. Second half of the season either anonymous or not playing. He absolutely needs to go after the comments made in the media but just how much we get for him now is anybody’s guess. |
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Post by ldotm on May 29, 2019 0:47:30 GMT 1
As if people are focusing more on his comments about Siewert. The blokes a grade A tool, who’s making a mock of our club - the irony of him saying “I still a Huddersfield player, so I can’t say I’m done, I’ve done that once and it didn’t go well” yet he’s AGAIN going to the media to basically says he’s done and doesn’t like the manager.
Bellend. So what Siewert isn’t blowing smoke up your arse and telling you, you’re wonderful.. that would’ve spurred me on to prove the manager wrong but no, a lot of pro’s these days can’t handle a bit of criticism or being told how it is.
I know for a fact, Wagner had to have a word with Billing about his attitude in the champ, that he was holding himself back and his potential and hence why he was still playing in the academy, until he eventually bucked his ideas up.
He’s a typical if things aren’t going well, he doesn’t wanna know and won’t roll his socks up. He’s forgetting we brought him to England, have developed him and given him his shot in the spotlight in the best division in the world. See you later Phil, tosser.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 29, 2019 1:02:13 GMT 1
It seems that a few posters on this thread think that young players should be treated worse than they are. Let's follow the Southampton /Peterborough model, that'll learn 'em. If that's referring to the recent Bob Higgins case, what a shit comment. young players like any young person need to know the score and what is expected of them in their priveledged position if they have one.. this is a business like any other at the end of the day, it just so happens that many of the kids are already earning more than the majority of others will earn at any time in their life.. it comes with responsibility.. yes you can play but doing just enough does not earn your inflated salary.. you have to grow up quick on and definitely off the field or the money will fuck you up.. if the money does not get you, your ego and the bad advice you will certainly get from some sources will.. I am ignoring the second line of your post due to it being bollox.. happily the days of junior coaches having that kind of hold are over.. |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on May 29, 2019 2:11:07 GMT 1
As if people are focusing more on his comments about Siewert. The blokes a grade A tool, who’s making a mock of our club - the irony of him saying “I still a Huddersfield player, so I can’t say I’m done, I’ve done that once and it didn’t go well” yet he’s AGAIN going to the media to basically says he’s done and doesn’t like the manager. Bellend. So what Siewert isn’t blowing smoke up your arse and telling you, you’re wonderful.. that would’ve spurred me on to prove the manager wrong but no, a lot of pro’s these days can’t handle a bit of criticism or being told how it is. I know for a fact, Wagner had to have a word with Billing about his attitude in the champ, that he was holding himself back and his potential and hence why he was still playing in the academy, until he eventually bucked his ideas up. He’s a typical if things aren’t going well, he doesn’t wanna know and won’t roll his socks up. He’s forgetting we brought him to England, have developed him and given him his shot in the spotlight in the best division in the world. See you later Phil, tosser. Billing is definitely a bellend which is why it's not being mentioned much, but it's looking increasingly like Siewert is too. The job of a coach is to get a tune out of your players by whatever means possible, and he certainly hasn't been able to do that yet for whatever reason. I really hope it's because we have a team of players who have downed tools, and once the squad is revitalised we'll see a highly motivated bunch, playing to a consistent style but I personally can't see it - I really hope i'm wrong. I really don't care if players are nobheads, whether they have massive egos, whether they  at the fans or buy us a beer. I just want them to deliver on the pitch whilst they're with us, and it's Siewert's job to make that happen rather than throwing a hand grenade at the situation. As a general rule of life, if you think everyone's a nobhead then it's probably you that's the problem. What we don't want is another situation of Lee Clark signing a player, falling out with him and then asking to buy another. |
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Post by jimmythebulldog on May 29, 2019 2:22:18 GMT 1
Its becoming clearer and clearer as the days go on as to whome DH was referring to.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 29, 2019 7:22:30 GMT 1
Wish Lama head would go asap, sounds horrible and also hope its not true what he said about Sievert !
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Post by CaptainHart on May 29, 2019 7:27:36 GMT 1
The thing that strikes me about this saga is how bad Billing’s advisors are. Even if what he said is true it reflects badly on him. More than that he had the opportunity to show what he could do on a worldwide stage and when it got a bit sticky he bottled it. Had he continued his early season form he might have got himself to a middling Premier League club, now he’s more likely to be lower end. Trouble with that is we know that they can’t afford passengers and that’s what he looks like.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 29, 2019 7:43:22 GMT 1
I said in March you could see signs that JS didn’t have a clue about people / man management
That view was based on the “I’m really angry” routine in interviews, taking no blame for results (despite poor subs etc in games like Everton) and needlessly stripping the captaincy from smith and Hogg while freezing players like Pritchard out of the first 18 for a month... it’s woeful line management
Look at it from billings perspective if you had a boss who believed in you, trusted you and had universal respect and this guy was replaced by a no mark youth team coach who just told you how shit you were you’d probably get disheartened as well - how people respond is then down to personalities
Talk of players being unhappy is rife in the local rumour mill and I’m talking players other than the Danes, diakhaby etc. Football circles talk and this won’t help us attract new players
Finally, I always thought we had a great dressing room - it was a strength - so I’m not onboard that our club is full of wrong uns after two seasons of massive overachievement
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 29, 2019 7:48:12 GMT 1
I said in March you could see signs that JS didn’t have a clue about people / man management That view was based on the “I’m really angry” routine in interviews, taking no blame for results (despite poor subs etc in games like Everton) and needlessly stripping the captaincy from smith and Hogg while freezing players like Pritchard out of the first 18 for a month... it’s woeful line management Look at it from billings perspective if you had a boss who believed in you, trusted you and had universal respect and this guy was replaced by a no mark youth team coach who just told you how shit you were you’d probably get disheartened as well - how people respond is then down to personalities Talk of players being unhappy is rife in the local rumour mill and I’m talking players other than the Danes, diakhaby etc. Football circles talk and this won’t help us attract new players Finally, I always thought we had a great dressing room - it was a strength - so I’m not onboard that our club is full of wrong uns after two seasons of massive overachievement Great post, makes me wonder what a player like Hoggy is thinking as he Really Is a role model and seems to love our club, same with Hudson too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 7:48:18 GMT 1
Wish Lama head would go asap, sounds horrible and also hope its not true what he said about Sievert ! Wagner had problems when he came in, the ones who wouldn't toe the line were soon out of the door. Sievert didn't have that option. Don't run away with the idea that all was sunny and light in the Wagner camp at the beginning, never mind the end. Considering Wagners well documented spats with Billing why do you care what he said about Sievert? |
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Post by shawsie on May 29, 2019 7:56:14 GMT 1
I said in March you could see signs that JS didn’t have a clue about people / man management That view was based on the “I’m really angry” routine in interviews, taking no blame for results (despite poor subs etc in games like Everton) and needlessly stripping the captaincy from smith and Hogg while freezing players like Pritchard out of the first 18 for a month... it’s woeful line management Look at it from billings perspective if you had a boss who believed in you, trusted you and had universal respect and this guy was replaced by a no mark youth team coach who just told you how shit you were you’d probably get disheartened as well - how people respond is then down to personalities Talk of players being unhappy is rife in the local rumour mill and I’m talking players other than the Danes, diakhaby etc. Football circles talk and this won’t help us attract new players Finally, I always thought we had a great dressing room - it was a strength - so I’m not onboard that our club is full of wrong uns after two seasons of massive overachievement Whilst I agree with much of what you say, JS probably came in expecting to see a team low on confidence needing a lift. What he got was some players not lifting a leg and others already saying I'm off in the summer and not prepared to even try. Very difficult to do much with those - what he did do to be fair was get a shift from those who bought into the new methods but who perhaps aren't top quality (either full stop or yet) - bacuna, Hogg, grant. Big summer for him - I hope he turns it round.......whatever happens, losing the likes of lossl, billing, zanka, ldp, Pritchard, Flo isn't catastrophic. Some like mooy, schindler, Hogg may be more difficult as they earned their rightful place in fans hearts by performing well for most of the last 3 years. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 29, 2019 7:58:03 GMT 1
Wish Lama head would go asap, sounds horrible and also hope its not true what he said about Sievert ! Wagner had problems when he came in, the ones who wouldn't toe the line were soon out of the door. Sievert didn't have that option. Don't run away with the idea that all was sunny and light in the Wagner camp at the beginning, never mind the end. Considering Wagners well documented spats with Billing why do you care what he said about Sievert? Wagner got the wrong uns out so JS didn’t inherit that problem Simply we couldn’t have done what we did in the last two years with a bad dressing room - and that’s despite him training us harder than any other side (double sessions etc) I mean lossl is held up as downed tools and he sorts Syrian refugees out with tickets and sits with the fans at palace on the day we got relegated (despite getting frozen out by JS), zanka buys the whole away end a beer, mounie sits in the away end handing out shirts ... and these are held up as bad eggs! Time was you’d barely see a player mingle with the fans at away games ...and that was in the lower leagues |
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Post by someguy on May 29, 2019 8:07:51 GMT 1
I would argue the stats don't show the actual performances. He had a few games where he looked a good player I'll give you that. A lot of his distance was his usual jog back but not actually helping and also going to take every single throw in on each side of the pitch. Oh cmon. Thats like saying Mooys distance is massively inflated because he had to go over and take the corners. I think the perception of Billing is hugely clouded by his languid style. If he covered the same ground but had a more frantic running motion, I don;t think hed get half the stick he gets. You say he just jogs back without helping, but that doesn;t really explain how he managed to make more tackles and more clearances than both the other two, neither of whome are questioned over their effort. Disagree there's a good 5 times the number of throws per match. I'm used to his languid style, as I said I think his stats are skewed but if you'd like to trust them and say he was our best player before he was dropped then fair enough. |
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Post by townrwe on May 29, 2019 8:19:38 GMT 1
I've woken up more angry then when I went to bed..... Billing your top of the shit list.... I'm just waiting for lossl to post a picture of them sharing a bowl of fancy fucking musili to finish me off completely.
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Post by stanton1969 on May 29, 2019 8:32:07 GMT 1
Shouting at players seemed to work alright for SAF. I don't agree with public criticism of players, though. Keep it behind closed doors.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 8:45:06 GMT 1
Wagner had problems when he came in, the ones who wouldn't toe the line were soon out of the door. Sievert didn't have that option. Don't run away with the idea that all was sunny and light in the Wagner camp at the beginning, never mind the end. Considering Wagners well documented spats with Billing why do you care what he said about Sievert? Wagner got the wrong uns out so JS didn’t inherit that problem Simply we couldn’t have done what we did in the last two years with a bad dressing room - and that’s despite him training us harder than any other side (double sessions etc) I mean lossl is held up as downed tools and he sorts Syrian refugees out with tickets and sits with the fans at palace on the day we got relegated (despite getting frozen out by JS), zanka buys the whole away end a beer, mounie sits in the away end handing out shirts ... and these are held up as bad eggs! Time was you’d barely see a player mingle with the fans at away games ...and that was in the lower leagues He inherited Billing didn't he? I suggest you revisit what Hoyle had to say about the dressing room that Sievert took on. Zanka, Lossl and Billing were thorns in Wagners side long before Sievert came in. And i liked them all. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 29, 2019 8:51:01 GMT 1
I would argue the stats don't show the actual performances. He had a few games where he looked a good player I'll give you that. A lot of his distance was his usual jog back but not actually helping and also going to take every single throw in on each side of the pitch. Prior to last season, Billing had the odd game where you thought there may be something special there. He had a really decent first half to last season where everything seemed to click and he was definitely our most improved player. Then we got into December and he fell away badly just like the rest of em. Second half of the season either anonymous or not playing. He absolutely needs to go after the comments made in the media but just how much we get for him now is anybody’s guess. He disappeared when Mooy got injured. I think I could look half decent alongside Aaron Biggest worry for me isn’t Billing though. It’s JS Billings awards highlight this |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 8:51:41 GMT 1
Shouting at players seemed to work alright for SAF. I don't agree with public criticism of players, though. Keep it behind closed doors. I don't recall Sievert publicly criticising a single individual player, I do remember David Wagner doing so. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 29, 2019 8:51:50 GMT 1
Totally speculating here but from watching the games it appeared something may have happened with team spirit /attitude during December . Even when we were losing prior to this time we were competitive and hard working . Something seemed to change . We suddenly became a softer touch . The massive shift Wagner seemed to influence when he came in was player mentality , fight to the end etc. This seemed to ebb and was indeed non existent by the time the month passed at Fulham . My view is that this continued and indeed worsened under Siewert. As I say it's pure speculation but this is a football forum we are allowed to speculate!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 29, 2019 8:59:20 GMT 1
Wagner got the wrong uns out so JS didn’t inherit that problem Simply we couldn’t have done what we did in the last two years with a bad dressing room - and that’s despite him training us harder than any other side (double sessions etc) I mean lossl is held up as downed tools and he sorts Syrian refugees out with tickets and sits with the fans at palace on the day we got relegated (despite getting frozen out by JS), zanka buys the whole away end a beer, mounie sits in the away end handing out shirts ... and these are held up as bad eggs! Time was you’d barely see a player mingle with the fans at away games ...and that was in the lower leagues He inherited Billing didn't he? I suggest you revisit what Hoyle had to say about the dressing room that Sievert took on. Zanka, Lossl and Billing were thorns in Wagners side long before Sievert came in. And i liked them all. Like you l like lossl and zanka - the two who win lose or draw acknowledge always the fans - I can’t see them as wrong uns. It just doesn’t tally with what you see - why would Copenhagen make zanka captain if he was a bad character in the dressing room We never had a mumour of dressing room disharmony until JS arrived now the rumours are rife and in billings case public We’re backing JS now so it’s a mute point but I’ll put on the record - and obviously hope I’m proven wrong - that I suspect next year ends in tears and jan won’t make it until Christmas. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 9:11:44 GMT 1
He inherited Billing didn't he? I suggest you revisit what Hoyle had to say about the dressing room that Sievert took on. Zanka, Lossl and Billing were thorns in Wagners side long before Sievert came in. And i liked them all. Like you l like lossl and zanka - the two who win lose or draw acknowledge always the fans - I can’t see them as wrong uns. It just doesn’t tally with what you see - why would Copenhagen make zanka captain if he was a bad character in the dressing room We never had a mumour of dressing room disharmony until JS arrived now the rumours are rife and in billings case public We’re backing JS now so it’s a mute point but I’ll put on the record - and obviously hope I’m proven wrong - that I suspect next year ends in tears and jan won’t make it until Christmas. So Lossl being frozen out by Wagner at the seasons start didn't register with you? Zanka making it plain before Sievert came in that he would be looking to a move also you missed? Billing and Lossl were publicly criticised long before Sievert arrived. I say again, take a look at what Hoyle had to say. |
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Post by portugalterrier on May 29, 2019 9:15:24 GMT 1
As I have mentioned before Billing changed agents during the close season of 2017/18, this was “arranged by his stepfather” who was of the opinion Billing was underpaid even though they had just negotiated a new contract which took into account his Premiership status.
Billing is not the really the issue, the problem lies with the people advising him, my contact did not have any issues with Phil Billing, but the moneymen now in control of him are a awaiting their return on the investment, and the upfront monies rumoured to have been paid .
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Post by dumbo on May 29, 2019 9:15:35 GMT 1
He inherited Billing didn't he? I suggest you revisit what Hoyle had to say about the dressing room that Sievert took on. Zanka, Lossl and Billing were thorns in Wagners side long before Sievert came in. And i liked them all. Like you l like lossl and zanka - the two who win lose or draw acknowledge always the fans - I can’t see them as wrong uns. It just doesn’t tally with what you see - why would Copenhagen make zanka captain if he was a bad character in the dressing room We never had a mumour of dressing room disharmony until JS arrived now the rumours are rife and in billings case public We’re backing JS now so it’s a mute point but I’ll put on the record - and obviously hope I’m proven wrong - that I suspect next year ends in tears and jan won’t make it until Christmas. There were signs from the start of the season. Lossl ran his contract down, got dropped by Wagner and Siewert. LDP was a waste all season. Pathetic professional. Zanka had some poor comments about us from the Denmark manager that resulted in an apology to Wagner. |
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Post by portugalterrier on May 29, 2019 9:21:12 GMT 1
Lossls had a move in the pipeline in March, that’s why he didn’t want to get injured. Playing to the crowd, kissing the badge etc, means absolutely nothing, players are here for the money and to hopefully advance their careers along with their bank balance, they have only their own personal interest , they couldn’t give a flying f**k about which team they play for, it’s all about them.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 29, 2019 10:05:30 GMT 1
Dock his wages. When does his contract run out? Let him train by himself away from the squads and let him rot there until it runs out. The hypocrisy of saying the manager is essential a massive ego is ridiculous. Billing used to score a screamer a season and that was it. The last one was an absolute mare by the keeper and he did a lot of shit long throws. Who has convinced him he's such a talent? He's tall and young and fairly composed so that is pretty much his entire value. The number of runs where he just ran into traffic when the opposition players didn't bow down to him was ridiculous.Not fussed if Stewart pissed off some of the players, they hardly put a shift in every match for wagner. It's their fault he left in the first place. Might not like this interview or his attitude since wagner left, but don';t agree with that at all. He is a far better player than you suggest. Our best player up to xmas. One of the few we had with genuine top flight quality. Don;t think it was the players fault wagner left anyway, but if youre trying to blame them for not putting in a shift, then Billing, top of distance covered and making more far more tackles and clearances than both his midfield partners in Mooy and Hogg per minute of gametime, isn't the player to blame. nobody was singularly personally responsible for last season. Everyone of the playing staff and the recruitment team are 'jointly' responsible for it. The old manager losing his way totally, the new manager not seemingly being aware of how bad as a team we had got and the players for throwing in the towel early doors are jointly culpable. That Billing was the 'best' we had up to December and he only played' for short periods in games does show you how poor we became but I repeat a young lad making his name cannot merely play now and again when it suits.. He cannot totally wrap his hand in when he is told some home truths and he is badly advised to go on record with comments like the ones he has made. Lastly he is not good enough a player to 'believe' he can play in fits and starts and when he feels like it and he will probably never reach that exhaulted standard because the game has changed in that highly technically talented players are 'expected' to put in a shift as well.. Everyone takes a share of the shit season if you are a team player. The prima donna will 'beleiev' he was just too good to have been here and everyone else let him and his huge talent down, Billing is unfortunately one of them and they get nowhere these days.. Bad advice will do for him.. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 29, 2019 10:19:24 GMT 1
Totally speculating here but from watching the games it appeared something may have happened with team spirit /attitude during December . Even when we were losing prior to this time we were competitive and hard working . Something seemed to change . We suddenly became a softer touch . The massive shift Wagner seemed to influence when he came in was player mentality , fight to the end etc. This seemed to ebb and was indeed non existent by the time the month passed at Fulham . My view is that this continued and indeed worsened under Siewert. As I say it's pure speculation but this is a football forum we are allowed to speculate! wagner went totally 'risk averse' and the players either did not like it or were not sure about their roles in many circumstances.. We didnt score many when we actually pushed up and supported the forward ball so the obvious result of not supporting the ball in the opponents half was even less chances/goals. We have over the past few years never defended deep very well, we could defend in smaller numbers outside the box and we certainly could defend a slim lead by keeping hold of the ball and seriously frustrating the opposition and killing the game.. we got spanked a few times in the first season but at least provided enough in enough games against the mid/lower teams to win enough and draw enough games, we then changed to losing by a goal or getting spanked. Being fooled into believing we were 'competing' in close games was key until you realise we were never going to win those games and eventually it became clear we were going to concede and lose them.. As a player you know yourself if the game was close, you know that the opposition have sat off once ahead and you know your whole ethos is wrong when you never look like or feel like you are going to equalise.. Sievert clearly either did not realise how bad we had become(he should have before taking it on) or ignored it and went in all guns blazing(right or wrong it was the wrong team with the wrong type of influential individuals in it) to do so. He now has the opportunity to get players he wants who buy into his style of management and he lives or dies by it. |
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Post by townatheart on May 29, 2019 10:36:35 GMT 1
Totally speculating here but from watching the games it appeared something may have happened with team spirit /attitude during December . Even when we were losing prior to this time we were competitive and hard working . Something seemed to change . We suddenly became a softer touch . The massive shift Wagner seemed to influence when he came in was player mentality , fight to the end etc. This seemed to ebb and was indeed non existent by the time the month passed at Fulham . My view is that this continued and indeed worsened under Siewert. As I say it's pure speculation but this is a football forum we are allowed to speculate! wagner went totally 'risk averse' and the players either did not like it or were not sure about their roles in many circumstances.. We didnt score many when we actually pushed up and supported the forward ball so the obvious result of not supporting the ball in the opponents half was even less chances/goals. We have over the past few years never defended deep very well, we could defend in smaller numbers outside the box and we certainly could defend a slim lead by keeping hold of the ball and seriously frustrating the opposition and killing the game.. we got spanked a few times in the first season but at least provided enough in enough games against the mid/lower teams to win enough and draw enough games, we then changed to losing by a goal or getting spanked. Being fooled into believing we were 'competing' in close games was key until you realise we were never going to win those games and eventually it became clear we were going to concede and lose them.. As a player you know yourself if the game was close, you know that the opposition have sat off once ahead and you know your whole ethos is wrong when you never look like or feel like you are going to equalise.. Sievert clearly either did not realise how bad we had become(he should have before taking it on) or ignored it and went in all guns blazing(right or wrong it was the wrong team with the wrong type of influential individuals in it) to do so. He now has the opportunity to get players he wants who buy into his style of management and he lives or dies by it. Again, applaud a post with a bit of common sense. And will add what is well and truly a genuinely not in the know, purely speculative thought, in that, we know for a fact that in public DH has acknowledged that some players were a disgrace. So it should not take to much imagination to think about what DH had to say to JS behind closed doors as he came in to the job! While I will grant you there is room at this moment in time to have some questions regarding JS, still my optimistic side wants to be fair and look at the wider picture and give him some measure of doubt and allow him time to learn and make the needed changes. Remember also, that as JS came in, there has been a whole lot going on internally at the same time, so there has been a lot to contend with as well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:38:16 GMT 1
Now I retracted my comments about Siewert, regarding giving him a chance etc, but I did state his man management skills are not at all great in any way, which I got slated for by a couple. Seems it was correct. Im still all for giving him a chance, however if we get new players in and they then fall out with him or seemingly cba, then we know where the bad apple lies. It could go tits up and I still in my head think a different bloke is best, but he has the summer and the chance to prove us wrong.
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Post by deadleg on May 29, 2019 10:39:43 GMT 1
There were signs from the start of the season. Lossl ran his contract down, got dropped by Wagner and Siewert. LDP was a waste all season. Pathetic professional. Zanka had some poor comments about us from the Denmark manager that resulted in an apology to Wagner. Also, personalities and mindsets have some degree of fluidity, they're not perennially unchanging. A year or more of largely painful football, few goals and barely any wins could make the cracks show in even the most together of changing rooms. If there weren't one or two in any given squad thinking (either rightly or wrongly) 'This situation isn't my fault and I'm better than this' I'd be surprised, to be honest. That's all it takes for the problems to start. |
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