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Post by royrace on Jul 5, 2019 13:12:16 GMT 1
You'll be needing this...  "It's an addiction"Who cares, if paddy power pay us the most money we should take it. It’s not making anyone bet, just reminding people that the company exists. Absolutely, just find is staggering how much money they make, most didnt exist 10 years ago now its massive business. I also find it hard to believe grown adults play these ridiculous games advertised late night on telly. Fools and their money. Personally I feel there will be crackdowns at some stage and the gravy train will be stopped. |
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Post by Five Lamps on Jul 5, 2019 13:19:55 GMT 1
I would genuinely love it if we could do something akin to the YAA shirt and donate our sponsorship to a gambling addiction charity. It could win us a lot of good PR, in a division that is awash with gambling sponsors.
Might even get a reaction from betting companies themselves, not being happy that the photo on the back of the paper might show a 32Red-wearing Patrick Bamford being steamrollered by a Tommy Elphick in a Bet Regret-sponsored shirt...
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Jul 5, 2019 13:29:56 GMT 1
You'll be needing this... "It's an addiction"Who cares, if paddy power pay us the most money we should take it. It’s not making anyone bet, just reminding people that the company exists. I think the fact that children's shirts aren't allowed to carry betting and booze company sponsors, tells you that the players they idolise shouldn't really have them on theirs either. I'd prefer Town not to. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 5, 2019 13:35:09 GMT 1
Who cares, if paddy power pay us the most money we should take it. It’s not making anyone bet, just reminding people that the company exists. I think the fact that children's shirts aren't allowed to carry betting and booze company sponsors, tells you that the players they idolise shouldn't really have them on theirs either. I'd prefer Town not to. I agree this is an issue. The kids shirts look rubbish without anything on them, and immediately brings the question from the child why can’t I have the writing on the shirt. The adult then has to explain the reason which is not ideal because the little ones don’t need to know about gambling at that age. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 5, 2019 20:07:19 GMT 1
What you do is promise a big company first dibs at "X" price when you are back in the Prem. Make the Prem and the £10 mill shirt deal is small beer....its unlikely we are going there anyway.
Example. Approach Guinness/Emirates/Amazon...offer a deal at £5 mill a season and the price holds for 5 years if we make the Prem.
A simple but effective sales technique....promise a whole lot of nothing anyway.
I suspect we are waiting for sponsors to approach us.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 5, 2019 20:11:07 GMT 1
What you do is promise a big company first dibs at "X" price when you are back in the Prem. Make the Prem and the £10 mill shirt deal is small beer....its unlikely we are going there anyway. Example. Approach Guinness/Emirates/Amazon...offer a deal at £5 mill a season and the price holds for 5 years if we make the Prem. A simple but effective sales technique....promise a whole lot of nothing anyway. I suspect we are waiting for sponsors to approach us. Problem with that is there is absolutely zero chance a high profile sponsor would sign a deal like that with a club like ours, knowing that any visit to the PL would very likely be a short one. Judging by what SMJ said in the interview the other week I would imagine a deal has been done by now |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 5, 2019 20:13:42 GMT 1
What you do is promise a big company first dibs at "X" price when you are back in the Prem. Make the Prem and the £10 mill shirt deal is small beer....its unlikely we are going there anyway. Example. Approach Guinness/Emirates/Amazon...offer a deal at £5 mill a season and the price holds for 5 years if we make the Prem. A simple but effective sales technique....promise a whole lot of nothing anyway. I suspect we are waiting for sponsors to approach us. Problem with that is there is absolutely zero chance a high profile sponsor would sign a deal like that with a club like ours, knowing that any visit to the PL would very likely be a short one. Judging by what SMJ said in the interview the other week I would imagine a deal has been done by now A deal is done....but you are wrong...people buy in to all sorts of things. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 5, 2019 23:16:24 GMT 1
Problem with that is there is absolutely zero chance a high profile sponsor would sign a deal like that with a club like ours, knowing that any visit to the PL would very likely be a short one. Judging by what SMJ said in the interview the other week I would imagine a deal has been done by now A deal is done....but you are wrong...people buy in to all sorts of things. Well I'm not wrong though, hence why these types of deals don't happen to clubs of our status. |
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Post by terrierneil on Jul 5, 2019 23:40:26 GMT 1
Some snowflakes on here. Brought up around beer and cig adverts and horse racing. Never smoked, don't drink to excess and barely gamble.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 5, 2019 23:53:11 GMT 1
Some snowflakes on here. Brought up around beer and cig adverts and horse racing. Never smoked, don't drink to excess and barely gamble. Similar, stopped smoking when Pilks scored THAT goal v the massive, drink like a fish, never gambled |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2019 0:09:13 GMT 1
Some snowflakes on here. Brought up around beer and cig adverts and horse racing. Never smoked, don't drink to excess and barely gamble. It is a bit snowflakey. If Coca Cola, Mr Kipling or Mars wanted to sponsor us, would we worry that some people are obese? Not have it on kids shirts in case they end up being lifted out of their house by a crane in later life? Or Ford because some people speed or drink drive? Im not sure what the intention is... to hide from kids the fact that things like gambling or alcoholic drinks exist? I think they'll find out anyway eventually. Is there actually any evidence that anyones gambling or alcohol addiction was as a result of seeing a company's logo on a football shirt? |
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Jul 6, 2019 0:23:36 GMT 1
Some snowflakes on here. Brought up around beer and cig adverts and horse racing. Never smoked, don't drink to excess and barely gamble. It is a bit snowflakey. If Coca Cola, Mr Kipling or Mars wanted to sponsor us, would we worry that some people are obese? Not have it on kids shirts in case they end up being lifted out of their house by a crane in later life? Or Ford because some people speed or drink drive? Im not sure what the intention is... to hide from kids the fact that things like gambling or alcoholic drinks exist? I think they'll find out anyway eventually. Is there actually any evidence that anyones gambling or alcohol addiction was as a result of seeing a company's logo on a football shirt? Do you think tobacco should be allowed to sponsor sports again? |
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Jul 6, 2019 0:26:27 GMT 1
By the way, I’d love it if we were sponsored by Mr Kipling.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 6, 2019 0:33:38 GMT 1
By the way, I’d love it if we were sponsored by Mr Kipling. It'd be an exceptionally good shirt |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 6, 2019 0:35:08 GMT 1
Some snowflakes on here. Brought up around beer and cig adverts and horse racing. Never smoked, don't drink to excess and barely gamble. It is a bit snowflakey. If Coca Cola, Mr Kipling or Mars wanted to sponsor us, would we worry that some people are obese? Not have it on kids shirts in case they end up being lifted out of their house by a crane in later life? Or Ford because some people speed or drink drive? Im not sure what the intention is... to hide from kids the fact that things like gambling or alcoholic drinks exist? I think they'll find out anyway eventually. Is there actually any evidence that anyones gambling or alcohol addiction was as a result of seeing a company's logo on a football shirt? No but I did buy a Panasonic telly (still do) and stereo 20 odd years ago |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 1:26:01 GMT 1
Re sponsor logo, sometimes the sponsor will allow their corporate colours to be adjusted to the sponsored teams colours. If it were to be Paddy Power its not a given that the shirt would feature a great big green logo on the front. As someone who likes a couple of small bets each Saturday matchday I'm not going to be hypocritcial and say that I have an issue with a gambling company sponsoring the shirt. It doesn't sound like there was a huge queue of potential sponsors rushing to meet our valuation re sponsorship rights. I'm not overly keen on the Rhodri Giggs advert but some of the social media advertising is quite amusing, some less so. That must be very rare though, especially for a company that has a distinctive colour scheme like PP have. Just for info, below is how last seasons would have looked with the PP logo on. I can understand us having a gambling sponsor when they are paying us millions of pounds a year, but if the difference between a gambling sponsor and a non gambling sponsor is small, this season of all season's i would hope we would go with the non gambling sponsor.  Why? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 1:29:05 GMT 1
That must be very rare though, especially for a company that has a distinctive colour scheme like PP have. Just for info, below is how last seasons would have looked with the PP logo on. I can understand us having a gambling sponsor when they are paying us millions of pounds a year, but if the difference between a gambling sponsor and a non gambling sponsor is small, this season of all season's i would hope we would go with the non gambling sponsor. The examples I had in mind were 32red who seem to sponsor a large number of Championship sides. Their corporate logo is obviously red, but has appeared on the Villa shirt in white, Derby's in black and Swansea's in gold. The other one was Bet365 who have a green and yellow logo, but was displayed in a red band across the front of the Stoke red and white stripes. From what I recall from the Sean Jarvis interview on the podcast, there were two companies in the running for the sponsorship one had met the valuation and one had not, but there was no mention of whether one or both were gambling organisations. It sounded like it had been a struggle to get anyone to take an interest in Championship shirt sponsorship - I'm not entirely sure we are in a great position to be overly selective. Personally I don't have an issue with it (at the end of the day we are playing in the 'SkyBet' Championship), but I can understand others are uncomfortable with gambling sponsorship. However, you could make a similar argument re alcohol sponsorship, or even the ethics of some of the kit manufacturers themselves. Wasn’t it more a case that we had a deemed value for the sponsorship that only a couple of brands were close to? Plenty of marketing budget out there to sponsor Championship shirts, but at Championship prices. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 1:32:42 GMT 1
What you do is promise a big company first dibs at "X" price when you are back in the Prem. Make the Prem and the £10 mill shirt deal is small beer....its unlikely we are going there anyway. Example. Approach Guinness/Emirates/Amazon...offer a deal at £5 mill a season and the price holds for 5 years if we make the Prem. A simple but effective sales technique....promise a whole lot of nothing anyway. I suspect we are waiting for sponsors to approach us. You know OPE didn’t pay anything close to that for ACTUAL EPL shirt sponsorship yes?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 1:55:12 GMT 1
By the way, I’d love it if we were sponsored by Mr Kipling. It'd be an exceptionally good shirt Exceedingly. Get it right, FFS! |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 6, 2019 8:03:29 GMT 1
A deal is done....but you are wrong...people buy in to all sorts of things. Well I'm not wrong though, hence why these types of deals don't happen to clubs of our status. They dont happen because we are naive. Have a guess at L**d's new deal. I understand your point but i believe we need to be more pro-active with such deals. We were on £1.5 mill a season last year....less than half anyone else and dwarfed by Man Citys £75 million a year...and City dont even sell a fifth of what Man United sell. It about exposure....not shirt numbers. You have to promise exposure and link it to a long-term deal drawing on your belief that you are going back to the Prem. I recall reading that average Champs deals were £600k around 6 or 7 years ago. Town should be getting £3-4 million a season in the Champs! Sell the potential. £20k a week is really pisspotical...go for gold! We are on telly twice the first week  |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 6, 2019 8:12:18 GMT 1
What you do is promise a big company first dibs at "X" price when you are back in the Prem. Make the Prem and the £10 mill shirt deal is small beer....its unlikely we are going there anyway. Example. Approach Guinness/Emirates/Amazon...offer a deal at £5 mill a season and the price holds for 5 years if we make the Prem. A simple but effective sales technique....promise a whole lot of nothing anyway. I suspect we are waiting for sponsors to approach us. You know OPE didn’t pay anything close to that for ACTUAL EPL shirt sponsorship yes?! £1.5 a year i believe. OK, i was talking hypothetically but if Hudds Town are not worth £3-4 million a year for shirt sponsorship then i am reading the numbers and market wrongly. Just musing but i think we are behind the game in such matters. |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 6, 2019 8:32:19 GMT 1
You know OPE didn’t pay anything close to that for ACTUAL EPL shirt sponsorship yes?! £1.5 a year i believe. OK, i was talking hypothetically but if Hudds Town are not worth £3-4 million a year for shirt sponsorship then i am reading the numbers and market wrongly. Just musing but i think we are behind the game in such matters.
Of course we are, we're little old Huddersfield Town and we know our place 🙂 |
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Post by Galpharmer on Jul 6, 2019 10:05:14 GMT 1
On the sponsorship, it would appear that SMJ has been rather busy spinning lots of plates and trying to do his own job too. Think the time when Dean was poorly really has buggered the Club quite a bit. Also sounds like the new chap doesn't suffer fools, and wants a couple of big changes near the top. By all accounts Sean has been a bit of a star over the past year though. Top man.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 6, 2019 10:10:10 GMT 1
Just so long as we're never sponsored by "WINALOT" (Spillers)  |
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Post by kennyoldirons on Jul 6, 2019 10:40:03 GMT 1
That is all. Attachments:
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 6, 2019 14:52:58 GMT 1
It is a bit snowflakey. If Coca Cola, Mr Kipling or Mars wanted to sponsor us, would we worry that some people are obese? Not have it on kids shirts in case they end up being lifted out of their house by a crane in later life? Or Ford because some people speed or drink drive? Im not sure what the intention is... to hide from kids the fact that things like gambling or alcoholic drinks exist? I think they'll find out anyway eventually. Is there actually any evidence that anyones gambling or alcohol addiction was as a result of seeing a company's logo on a football shirt? Do you think tobacco should be allowed to sponsor sports again? I remember in the 80's (around the time Iwan Roberts played for us I think) that WBA had the "No Smoking." logo as a shirt sponsor - the red circle with a line through and a lit ciggy inside it. Not sure who would have been paying them though, the NHS perhaps ? If you're of a certain age, like me you still remember JPS formula 1 cars, Embassy snooker etc for loads of different major sports - the argument being it wasn't designed to get you to take up smoking it was aimed at existing smokers to change brands. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 6, 2019 16:29:58 GMT 1
You know OPE didn’t pay anything close to that for ACTUAL EPL shirt sponsorship yes?! £1.5 a year i believe. OK, i was talking hypothetically but if Hudds Town are not worth £3-4 million a year for shirt sponsorship then i am reading the numbers and market wrongly. Just musing but i think we are behind the game in such matters. But when Sean was on that podcast the other week he said PL shirt sponsorship was worth £5-6m a season and a tenth of that in the Championship |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2019 17:18:45 GMT 1
It is a bit snowflakey. If Coca Cola, Mr Kipling or Mars wanted to sponsor us, would we worry that some people are obese? Not have it on kids shirts in case they end up being lifted out of their house by a crane in later life? Or Ford because some people speed or drink drive? Im not sure what the intention is... to hide from kids the fact that things like gambling or alcoholic drinks exist? I think they'll find out anyway eventually. Is there actually any evidence that anyones gambling or alcohol addiction was as a result of seeing a company's logo on a football shirt? Do you think tobacco should be allowed to sponsor sports again? Bit different that one. Smoking is bad for EVERYONE who smokes. 100%. The vast majority of people who put a bet on or drink beer do so without it being a problem. ( same as fatty foods, cars, coca cola etc ) Anyway, Tobacco companies would be wasting their time sponsoring anything, seems as though they can't even have their brand identity on their own products these days. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 6, 2019 17:28:17 GMT 1
£1.5 a year i believe. OK, i was talking hypothetically but if Hudds Town are not worth £3-4 million a year for shirt sponsorship then i am reading the numbers and market wrongly. Just musing but i think we are behind the game in such matters. But when Sean was on that podcast the other week he said PL shirt sponsorship was worth £5-6m a season and a tenth of that in the Championship Curious then that all but 6 of the Prem teams have deals bigger than £5 million....and that we had the lowest at £1.5. Would love to see a list of Champs club deals....has to be way more than £500k a year. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 6, 2019 17:29:55 GMT 1
Do you think tobacco should be allowed to sponsor sports again? Bit different that one. Smoking is bad for EVERYONE who smokes. 100%. The vast majority of people who put a bet on or drink beer do so without it being a problem. ( same as fatty foods, cars, coca cola etc ) Anyway, Tobacco companies would be wasting their time sponsoring anything, seems as though they can't even have their brand identity on their own products these days. Whilst I agree in principle, I think you might be underestimating both the gambling problem and the obesity issue, particularly amongst children and young people. Gambling today is a million miles away from when we were young and impressionable. Children are surrounded by it, bombarded by it, seduced by it and even encouraged to take gambling like risks when gaming. Sponsorship on shirts is a very small part of the impetus to gamble but it is part of the problem. |
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