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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 23:23:51 GMT 1
On the topic of players not liking JSs / Winklers approach to management (I.e. shouty and aggressive); there are some interesting comments and perspectives from Tommy Miller on the latest ‘Under the Cosh’ podcast (shared on here). Multiple times Miller references the skill of man management and notes how certain, successful, lower league managers could not make it at the top because they lack that finesse and it is far more likely to polarises dressing rooms. Of note, they place LC in this very bracket. Miller, despite falling in at times with Jon Parkins shit chat, spoke really well I thought. Coming from ex-pros, you can imagine the (alleged) impact that JSs style had on a dressing room built on DWs harmony and togetherness (the ‘terrier spirit’) and would have undoubtedly upset a few. I think the higher you go in football, the angry approach is less likely to work. You could argue the final years of Mourinho lend to this argument. I think Sarri did a superb job all things considering, but he too maybe didn’t get the best of his team at times given his approach (Kepa being the biggest on field incident). The skills of a man manager cant really be defined. I've played and worked under managers that would struggle to speak in a group of 10 people.... then worked with loud extroverts that I wouldn't even tell the time of day Played? Where? |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 28, 2019 23:42:45 GMT 1
This might be a wind-up but somebody on Twitter reckons we're getting Colin Bell (not THE Colin Bell of Man City fame)
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 28, 2019 23:43:55 GMT 1
On the topic of players not liking JSs / Winklers approach to management (I.e. shouty and aggressive); there are some interesting comments and perspectives from Tommy Miller on the latest ‘Under the Cosh’ podcast (shared on here). Multiple times Miller references the skill of man management and notes how certain, successful, lower league managers could not make it at the top because they lack that finesse and it is far more likely to polarises dressing rooms. Of note, they place LC in this very bracket. Miller, despite falling in at times with Jon Parkins shit chat, spoke really well I thought. Coming from ex-pros, you can imagine the (alleged) impact that JSs style had on a dressing room built on DWs harmony and togetherness (the ‘terrier spirit’) and would have undoubtedly upset a few. I think the higher you go in football, the angry approach is less likely to work. You could argue the final years of Mourinho lend to this argument. I think Sarri did a superb job all things considering, but he too maybe didn’t get the best of his team at times given his approach (Kepa being the biggest on field incident). Wow, zing!! Interesting venture into the pyschological problems of being angry in man management. Or should that be manly in anger management? :-) Enjoyed the Miller interview, too - as he could certainly be categorised in the latter class when you consider de Canio ran him rugged for 76 consecutive days in pre-season training! Good interview. Once again, though - difficult - in Town's case, do we really think that Siewert is a loud mouth? I just can't see it, really. I've looked at about 10 of his press interviews for Dortmund II, and I couldn't detect any rowdiness in the bloke at all. I just can't imagine he'd come to a foreign country and start shooting his mouth off and start upsetting everyone. Just can't see it, personality-wise it goes against everything a highly-regarded youth coach would be to get to where he is. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jun 28, 2019 23:49:11 GMT 1
Get 20 quid on Town to be relegated, I'm feeling a little uneasy at the minute. Weapon alert |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 28, 2019 23:52:21 GMT 1
What a embarrassing succession of short lived key apppointments; moss, rebbe and now winkler What is most worrying about winkler is that while we sit guessing what is happening on the outside winkler is very much on the inside ....and has chosen to walk And all this while we remain in limbo with the chairman position In no shape do we start the preseason with the foundations for a successful year  Agree. Its about as far from a stable, steady ship as youre likely to see at the moment and thats from top to bottom. The only thing that seems steady-away at the moment are the fans going by SC sales. Everything else seems to have all sorts of question marks hanging over it. The ownership, the manager, his staff, the director of football, the senior players, squad morale, the quality of signings, players wanting to leave... We seem to be in a bit of turmoil just now. Think the fans deserve some sort of message from Dean explaining what the hell is going on re: all those things. |
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Post by space hardware on Jun 28, 2019 23:52:58 GMT 1
The skills of a man manager cant really be defined. I've played and worked under managers that would struggle to speak in a group of 10 people.... then worked with loud extroverts that I wouldn't even tell the time of day Played? Where? Just block the simple twat. I've given up now and done it. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 28, 2019 23:55:16 GMT 1
What a embarrassing succession of short lived key apppointments; moss, rebbe and now winkler What is most worrying about winkler is that while we sit guessing what is happening on the outside winkler is very much on the inside ....and has chosen to walk And all this while we remain in limbo with the chairman position In no shape do we start the preseason with the foundations for a successful year Agree. Its about as far from a stable, steady ship as youre likely to see at the moment and thats from top to bottom. The only thing that seems steady-away at the moment are the fans going by SC sales. Everything else seems to have all sorts of question marks hanging over it. The ownership, the manager, his staff, the director of football, the senior players, squad morale, the quality of signings, players wanting to leave... We seem to be in a bit of turmoil just now. Think the fans deserve some sort of message from Dean explaining what the hell is going on re: all those things. No shirt sponsor and its almost July |
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Post by royrace on Jun 29, 2019 0:03:27 GMT 1
On the topic of players not liking JSs / Winklers approach to management (I.e. shouty and aggressive); there are some interesting comments and perspectives from Tommy Miller on the latest ‘Under the Cosh’ podcast (shared on here). Multiple times Miller references the skill of man management and notes how certain, successful, lower league managers could not make it at the top because they lack that finesse and it is far more likely to polarises dressing rooms. Of note, they place LC in this very bracket. Miller, despite falling in at times with Jon Parkins shit chat, spoke really well I thought. Coming from ex-pros, you can imagine the (alleged) impact that JSs style had on a dressing room built on DWs harmony and togetherness (the ‘terrier spirit’) and would have undoubtedly upset a few. I think the higher you go in football, the angry approach is less likely to work. You could argue the final years of Mourinho lend to this argument. I think Sarri did a superb job all things considering, but he too maybe didn’t get the best of his team at times given his approach (Kepa being the biggest on field incident). Wow, zing!! Interesting venture into the pyschological problems of being angry in man management. Or should that be manly in anger management? :-) Enjoyed the Miller interview, too - as he could certainly be categorised in the latter class when you consider de Canio ran him rugged for 76 consecutive days in pre-season training! Good interview. Once again, though - difficult - in Town's case, do we really think that Siewert is a loud mouth? I just can't see it, really. I've looked at about 10 of his press interviews for Dortmund II, and I couldn't detect any rowdiness in the bloke at all. I just can't imagine he'd come to a foreign country and start shooting his mouth off and start upsetting everyone. Just can't see it, personality-wise it goes against everything a highly-regarded youth coach would be to get to where he is. Strange but I don’t think Siewert comes a cross well in any of his Town interviews, comes across as insecure and angry and it doesn’t surprise me that he’s pissed off a large proportion of the players and now his assistant maybe? Not saying it’s his fault and I’d love him to succeed but just looks a really naive appointment by Town I’m afraid. Winter keeps trotting out the same old defensive shite about it all being Wagner's fault as he changed the formation, the signings were good, blah blah, bullshit, it’s not my fault. So I wouldn’t expect him to take any responsibility or admit his mistake appointing a 36 year old failed 4th division reserve team coach to a premier league team desperate for a lift. I’ve no idea why winkler has left but I’m pretty sure it’s not a sign that all is well. There’s so so many happy clapping, deluded, lemmings on this board recently it’s hilarious. Please don’t try to tell us the assistant manager, jans mate, who we appointed at great expense 5 months ago leaving is a positive. ROFL. Shambolic I’m afraid. I was surprised to see Keane leaving forest then today it all made sense, maybe it’s a similar scenario who knows. Theres trouble at mill and no mistake. |
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Post by Tiro on Jun 29, 2019 0:11:03 GMT 1
On the topic of players not liking JSs / Winklers approach to management (I.e. shouty and aggressive); there are some interesting comments and perspectives from Tommy Miller on the latest ‘Under the Cosh’ podcast (shared on here). Multiple times Miller references the skill of man management and notes how certain, successful, lower league managers could not make it at the top because they lack that finesse and it is far more likely to polarises dressing rooms. Of note, they place LC in this very bracket. Miller, despite falling in at times with Jon Parkins shit chat, spoke really well I thought. Coming from ex-pros, you can imagine the (alleged) impact that JSs style had on a dressing room built on DWs harmony and togetherness (the ‘terrier spirit’) and would have undoubtedly upset a few. I think the higher you go in football, the angry approach is less likely to work. You could argue the final years of Mourinho lend to this argument. I think Sarri did a superb job all things considering, but he too maybe didn’t get the best of his team at times given his approach (Kepa being the biggest on field incident). Wow, zing!! Interesting venture into the pyschological problems of being angry in man management. Or should that be manly in anger management? :-) Enjoyed the Miller interview, too - as he could certainly be categorised in the latter class when you consider de Canio ran him rugged for 76 consecutive days in pre-season training! Good interview. Once again, though - difficult - in Town's case, do we really think that Siewert is a loud mouth? I just can't see it, really. I've looked at about 10 of his press interviews for Dortmund II, and I couldn't detect any rowdiness in the bloke at all. I just can't imagine he'd come to a foreign country and start shooting his mouth off and start upsetting everyone. Just can't see it, personality-wise it goes against everything a highly-regarded youth coach would be to get to where he is. I’m not for one moment using that particular conversation as the basis for all reason, I just though it was an interesting perspective from a respected ex-pro and has similarities to what’s discussed on here. Nor am I qualified to do so! But you’re right, good interview. Fair points on JS. Especially his media persona, even LC was spikey most of the time (some of those interviews with Oggy!). But a player has publicly complained about an arrogance and his angry / shouty style (I know, one swallow doesn’t make a summer), other players have alluded to it (agin, I know) and others on here have suggested players have said so good record (I know, even less to be trusted). Off the record, I also spoke with a players dad who relayed as much to me, but then again he’s not happy anyway so he’s bound to cast a negative light. Whatever the case, there’s enough ammo to suggest the above and spark discussion. But perhaps all the ‘shouting’ they allude to isn’t angry at all, it’s just shouty instructions. Who knows, I hope it’s all shit nonetheless. He has been great for the young lads though and both Brown and Koroma seem genuinely enthused by him, which I really like. You would expect nothing less though from a former youth coach. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 0:22:53 GMT 1
Here we go, bedwetters will be out in force for this one Do you trust Seiwert? Well you obviously don't - betting against your own club - again! Disgraceful... |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 29, 2019 1:03:05 GMT 1
Wow, zing!! Interesting venture into the pyschological problems of being angry in man management. Or should that be manly in anger management? :-) Enjoyed the Miller interview, too - as he could certainly be categorised in the latter class when you consider de Canio ran him rugged for 76 consecutive days in pre-season training! Good interview. Once again, though - difficult - in Town's case, do we really think that Siewert is a loud mouth? I just can't see it, really. I've looked at about 10 of his press interviews for Dortmund II, and I couldn't detect any rowdiness in the bloke at all. I just can't imagine he'd come to a foreign country and start shooting his mouth off and start upsetting everyone. Just can't see it, personality-wise it goes against everything a highly-regarded youth coach would be to get to where he is. Strange but I don’t think Siewert comes a cross well in any of his Town interviews, comes across as insecure and angry and it doesn’t surprise me that he’s pissed off a large proportion of the players and now his assistant maybe? Not saying it’s his fault and I’d love him to succeed but just looks a really naive appointment by Town I’m afraid. Winter keeps trotting out the same old defensive shite about it all being Wagner's fault as he changed the formation, the signings were good, blah blah, bullshit, it’s not my fault. So I wouldn’t expect him to take any responsibility or admit his mistake appointing a 36 year old failed 4th division reserve team coach to a premier league team desperate for a lift. I’ve no idea why winkler has left but I’m pretty sure it’s not a sign that all is well. There’s so so many happy clapping, deluded, lemmings on this board recently it’s hilarious. Please don’t try to tell us the assistant manager, jans mate, who we appointed at great expense 5 months ago leaving is a positive. ROFL. Shambolic I’m afraid. I was surprised to see Keane leaving forest then today it all made sense, maybe it’s a similar scenario who knows. Theres trouble at mill and no mistake.How much trouble, though, that's the question? Enough trouble that a dog's nose would start oscillating at such a rate of twitchiness that it would fall off? I can only hope not. For me, he still had a great deal of balls to pick up from where DW left. I'm personally still not too happy how it was that DW could bring in a DoF in 2018, who he only really knew from his dealings with Wolfsburg, and contributed to virtually nothing in season 2018/19. Belongs to another thread "the elite", that 1% who can afford to laugh at the wider public, fail themselves, and bizarrely still get the good jobs,  !! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 7:24:25 GMT 1
The skills of a man manager cant really be defined. I've played and worked under managers that would struggle to speak in a group of 10 people.... then worked with loud extroverts that I wouldn't even tell the time of day Played? Where? Highly fucking amazing that this cretin can’t answer yet another bullshit story, can’t answer a question asking how old he is, after his childlike responses, nor can he answer the transfer bullshit he waffles on about. He can come on and just be an antagonistic prick though. Can admins not just fuck him off? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 7:25:48 GMT 1
Just block the simple twat. I've given up now and done it. I ask him questions about stuff. Doesn’t respond to them, does though when he wants to argue. He’s full of shit and needs offing this site. He needs slotting |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 29, 2019 7:29:03 GMT 1
No shirt sponsor and its almost July How do you know there is no shirt sponsor agreed? Im not asking why the club haven’t announced anything or what is going on at the club Just one question. How do you know? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 7:34:57 GMT 1
No shirt sponsor and its almost July How do you know there is no shirt sponsor agreed? Im not asking why the club haven’t announced anything or what is going on at the club Just one question. How do you know? Think he is referring to the interview with SJ about it. No deal was in place as yet after thanking OPE etc. It was quite cryptic after letting us know some other Championship teams had not got one yet either, so it doesn’t look as bad maybe? I suspect that there may be a few lined up, but then again, who knows what happens next here? |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 29, 2019 7:58:08 GMT 1
How do you know there is no shirt sponsor agreed? Im not asking why the club haven’t announced anything or what is going on at the club Just one question. How do you know? Think he is referring to the interview with SJ about it. No deal was in place as yet after thanking OPE etc. It was quite cryptic after letting us know some other Championship teams had not got one yet either, so it doesn’t look as bad maybe? I suspect that there may be a few lined up, but then again, who knows what happens next here? Cheers. I genuinely didn’t know and was wondering what I had missed. If there is nothing lined up yet then I agree with Kongolo as being a bit of a poor do. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 29, 2019 8:00:21 GMT 1
Think he is referring to the interview with SJ about it. No deal was in place as yet after thanking OPE etc. It was quite cryptic after letting us know some other Championship teams had not got one yet either, so it doesn’t look as bad maybe? I suspect that there may be a few lined up, but then again, who knows what happens next here? Cheers. I genuinely didn’t know and was wondering what I had missed. If there is nothing lined up yet then I agree with Kongolo as being a bit of a poor do. Our hand was forced a bit by waiting for OPE to make a decision but anyone with a brain would know they only sponsored us because of the exposure the Premier League gives. We should have been working on a new deal since relegation was obvious in March It sounds like we're down to negotiating with 2 now but they don't want to pay what we want. Apparently one is PaddyPower. Shirts will be delayed if something isn't sorted soon |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 29, 2019 8:01:54 GMT 1
Agree. Its about as far from a stable, steady ship as youre likely to see at the moment and thats from top to bottom. The only thing that seems steady-away at the moment are the fans going by SC sales. Everything else seems to have all sorts of question marks hanging over it. The ownership, the manager, his staff, the director of football, the senior players, squad morale, the quality of signings, players wanting to leave... We seem to be in a bit of turmoil just now. Think the fans deserve some sort of message from Dean explaining what the hell is going on re: all those things. No shirt sponsor and its almost July I’d also like to know if the canalside plans remain unchanged from what was originally unveiled with big fanfare - lots of rumours there so you’d think the club would like to set the record straight |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 8:05:03 GMT 1
How much is a year’s shirt sponsorship worth in the Championship? £50-100k?
For the amount of delay, ill will and perceived incompetence around getting the new kit announced, is it worth it? Get Kirkwood Hospice or similar on there and focus on getting a deal sorted for the future.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jun 29, 2019 8:10:16 GMT 1
How much is a year’s shirt sponsorship worth in the Championship? £50-100k? For the amount of delay, ill will and perceived incompetence around getting the new kit announced, is it worth it? Get Kirkwood Hospice or similar on there and focus on getting a deal sorted for the future. Not like they knew we’d need a Championship sponsor for a good 6+ months, is it? I agree with you though, charity sponsor and focus on more important things. It amazes me every year how late we are announcing the new kit. The club is a shambles and in complete disarray from the outside looking in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 8:13:43 GMT 1
Winkler was given das boot, as a kid he was probably the one found hiding in the bike sheds having a crafty fag.
New man inbound next week.
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Post by bazman on Jun 29, 2019 8:14:43 GMT 1
winkler got the sack . ding a ling new assistant inbound ding dong ring the bell
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 29, 2019 8:28:56 GMT 1
So if Winkler is a dodgy character, why the chuff did Siewart bring him here in the first place
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 29, 2019 8:31:10 GMT 1
Winkler was given das boot, as a kid he was probably the one found hiding in the bike sheds having a crafty fag. New man inbound next week. Wonder what the hell he has done to get sacked, very bad carry on, the club is self imploding. |
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Post by bluestripe on Jun 29, 2019 8:32:02 GMT 1
Cheers. I genuinely didn’t know and was wondering what I had missed. If there is nothing lined up yet then I agree with Kongolo as being a bit of a poor do. Our hand was forced a bit by waiting for OPE to make a decision but anyone with a brain would know they only sponsored us because of the exposure the Premier League gives. We should have been working on a new deal since relegation was obvious in March It sounds like we're down to negotiating with 2 now but they don't want to pay what we want. Apparently one is PaddyPower. Shirts will be delayed if something isn't sorted soon If I were a potential sponsor, I would not want to waste time and effort on negotiating a deal in the knowledge that OPE had an option they could exercise. I think you are being unfair on SJ. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 29, 2019 8:36:57 GMT 1
Our hand was forced a bit by waiting for OPE to make a decision but anyone with a brain would know they only sponsored us because of the exposure the Premier League gives. We should have been working on a new deal since relegation was obvious in March It sounds like we're down to negotiating with 2 now but they don't want to pay what we want. Apparently one is PaddyPower. Shirts will be delayed if something isn't sorted soon If I were a potential sponsor, I would not want to waste time and effort on negotiating a deal in the knowledge that OPE had an option they could exercise. I think you are being unfair on SJ. You would start the process though and get the feelers out to gauge the market. Maybe he did and things have just been harder than anticipated. But everything at Town in the last 12 months seems to have been more difficult than expected |
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Post by Floyds on Jun 29, 2019 8:44:25 GMT 1
It is a shambles and this without a ball being kicked. When we sack Siewert after ten games and we’re in the bottom three it’ll look a whole lot worse  |
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Post by willo on Jun 29, 2019 9:19:18 GMT 1
It is a shambles and this without a ball being kicked. When we sack Siewert after ten games and we’re in the bottom three it’ll look a whole lot worse Or better. Depends on whether you rate JS in anyway at all. |
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Post by willo on Jun 29, 2019 9:24:03 GMT 1
I’m a little concerned with what is going on at the club presently but not in meltdown...yet. The next 2 weeks are vitally important & I can see a number of announcements on signings, a new assistant being named, shirt sponsor being sorted, etc. Let’s at least give the club a little more time before going overboard about backing us for relegation into League 1.
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Post by dewsburyborn on Jun 29, 2019 9:31:50 GMT 1
It is a shambles and this without a ball being kicked. When we sack Siewert after ten games and we’re in the bottom three it’ll look a whole lot worse and Jokanovic is now in Qatar ... |
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