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Post by londonterrier23 on Jul 25, 2019 20:05:55 GMT 1
Feel that we have a great 4231 and, at champ level, two very good natural number of p’s in Pritchard and Brown. I’m not sold on the 433 and don’t thinkbit suits Mooy who is the best footballer in this league although I guess it requires less defensive duty from from VLp, Diakhaby and which is probably a good thing. So maybe 433 will allow us to hurt some champ teams. Wondered what you geniuses thought? I suppose it's academic really as we will be playing 4-3-3 Come on Chips this isn’t your first BBQ you know how these forums work. People discuss their perspectives on circumstances relating to passion / subject matter that unites them. In this case Hudds Town. And not many managers nowadays have one formation for every situation, it’s not 1987. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2019 20:08:35 GMT 1
I suppose it's academic really as we will be playing 4-3-3 Come on Chips this isn’t your first BBQ you know how these forums work. People discuss their perspectives on circumstances relating to passion / subject matter that unites them. In this case Hudds Town. And not many managers nowadays have one formation for every situation, it’s not 1987. He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 25, 2019 20:13:59 GMT 1
Come on Chips this isn’t your first BBQ you know how these forums work. People discuss their perspectives on circumstances relating to passion / subject matter that unites them. In this case Hudds Town. And not many managers nowadays have one formation for every situation, it’s not 1987. He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) Seiwert won't last two minutes this season. Out of all the formations 433 is my least favourite, unless you're a top talented team it seems pretty wasted. For me we have the perfect squad for 442 or a variation on that formation. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2019 20:17:15 GMT 1
He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) Seiwert won't last two minutes this season. Out of all the formations 433 is my least favourite, unless you're a top talented team it seems pretty wasted. For me we have the perfect squad for 442 or a variation on that formation. I think ... actually ... we will do ok .. Cardiff and Fulham fans have already bought their crowns to proclaim themselves promotion winners... we have the basis of a good squad.. and some of that "non league shit" (copyright arterrier) is actually pretty promising |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 25, 2019 20:31:53 GMT 1
Seiwert won't last two minutes this season. Out of all the formations 433 is my least favourite, unless you're a top talented team it seems pretty wasted. For me we have the perfect squad for 442 or a variation on that formation. I think ... actually ... we will do ok .. Cardiff and Fulham fans have already bought their crowns to proclaim themselves promotion winners... we have the basis of a good squad.. and some of that "non league shit" (copyright arterrier) is actually pretty promising On paper we have but I'm not convinced we have the man to get the best out of that squad. What I will say is that The Championship looks pretty average this time so with a fair wind we could do ok. |
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 25, 2019 20:33:54 GMT 1
I wonder if Mooy or Hogg will depart prior to Derby.
If they don't Bacuna or Hogg for me.
With Reece B and Mooy.
Flo will be fine.
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 25, 2019 20:34:20 GMT 1
Bacuna over Hogg I meant
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Post by londonterrier23 on Jul 25, 2019 20:35:31 GMT 1
Come on Chips this isn’t your first BBQ you know how these forums work. People discuss their perspectives on circumstances relating to passion / subject matter that unites them. In this case Hudds Town. And not many managers nowadays have one formation for every situation, it’s not 1987. He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) 😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jul 25, 2019 20:37:13 GMT 1
Happy to wait and see
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 26, 2019 4:44:37 GMT 1
Not sure what the guys who think Bacuna can play at right back have been smoking. Never in a million years. Far too reckless and doesn't read the game well enough. Didn't he get hooked after 45 minutes in a game last season playing at RB. Looked well out of his depth. Or do you mean the Wolves game where he came on and played the 2nd half at right back, had a stormer and won the ball to set up the winning goal ? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 26, 2019 8:45:12 GMT 1
VLP on wing. Grant up top
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 10:26:59 GMT 1
VLP on wing. Grant up top Think we wouldn’t do right well with no back four or a keeper though |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 26, 2019 11:41:37 GMT 1
Not sure what the guys who think Bacuna can play at right back have been smoking. Never in a million years. Far too reckless and doesn't read the game well enough. Didn't he get hooked after 45 minutes in a game last season playing at RB. Looked well out of his depth. Or do you mean the Wolves game where he came on and played the 2nd half at right back, had a stormer and won the ball to set up the winning goal ? He played very well against Wolves but I tend to agree with the original quoted post. In that Wolves game, he was 'gung ho', seem to remember him diving into several tackles and sending a few players clattering, worked wonderfully on that occasion but long term, I'm not sure it would and might leave us exposed. He's better suited to the role of midfielder, he will certainly see a few red cards over his career but that comes with the type of player he is. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 26, 2019 12:16:31 GMT 1
Or do you mean the Wolves game where he came on and played the 2nd half at right back, had a stormer and won the ball to set up the winning goal ? He played very well against Wolves but I tend to agree with the original quoted post. In that Wolves game, he was 'gung ho', seem to remember him diving into several tackles and sending a few players clattering, worked wonderfully on that occasion but long term, I'm not sure it would and might leave us exposed. He's better suited to the role of midfielder, he will certainly see a few red cards over his career but that comes with the type of player he is. Fair do's. I was mainly aiming my post at the bit saying he was substituted for having a shocker at H/T |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 26, 2019 12:49:31 GMT 1
Grabara
Flo
Shindler
Elphick
Kongolo
Hogg
Mooy
Bacuna
Pritchard
Grant
Diakhaby
Subs.
Coleman
Bockhorn
O'Brien
Kachunga
Stankovic
R Brown
Koroma
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Post by 4 head on Jul 26, 2019 13:27:02 GMT 1
Grabara Flo Shindler Elphick Kongolo Hogg Mooy Bacuna Pritchard Grant Diakhaby Subs. Coleman Bockhorn O'Brien Kachunga Stankovic R Brown Koroma Similar to the team I'd play. Although I'm a bit hesitant about having Hogg, Bacuna and Mooy in CM together. I know Mooy is creative but I think we need someone with a bit of energy in there running from box-to-box. While Bacuna has the energy, I see him more of a defensive player. I think it would send a real message if we were to play Mooy as the creative midfielder in the centre, Bacuna as the ball-winning midfielder and then Reece Brown as an attacking CM, prepared to run at teams from the middle of the park. We SHOULD have one of the better teams in the championship and I see no reason why we shouldn't take this risk. We have good competition for places it seems in most positions however I reckon we still need a naturally attacking LB to suit Jan's style. Kongolo is a great defensive left back (and a better CB) but doesn't really have the attacking output we need. I've not seen much of Jaden Brown but he has never played at this level before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 14:01:05 GMT 1
Come on Chips this isn’t your first BBQ you know how these forums work. People discuss their perspectives on circumstances relating to passion / subject matter that unites them. In this case Hudds Town. And not many managers nowadays have one formation for every situation, it’s not 1987. He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) Whilst it’s his preferred formation he’s not rigid and has played other formations. Away at Liverpool,was more like 4141 (verging on 4231) Away at Spurs was arguably 541 (or 4141) 442 v Leicester (although I’d call it 4411) Palace and West Ham were 4232 Probably played 433 slightly less than 50% of time in that last month or two....🤷♂️ |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 26, 2019 14:08:11 GMT 1
He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) Whilst it’s his preferred formation he’s not rigid and has played other formations. Away at Liverpool,was more like 4141 (verging on 4231) Away at Spurs was arguably 541 (or 4141) 442 v Leicester (although I’d call it 4411) Palace and West Ham were 4232 Probably played 433 slightly less than 50% of time in that last month or two....🤷♂️ Come back at Xmas and we can continue the discussion He is going to play 4 3 3 |
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Post by Champers on Jul 26, 2019 14:50:59 GMT 1
He's rigid 4 3 3 .. (im sorry to say ) Discussing any other formations is akin to discussing bacon sarnie consumption on down at the mosque ;-) Whilst it’s his preferred formation he’s not rigid and has played other formations. Away at Liverpool,was more like 4141 (verging on 4231) Away at Spurs was arguably 541 (or 4141) 442 v Leicester (although I’d call it 4411) Palace and West Ham were 4232 Probably played 433 slightly less than 50% of time in that last month or two....🤷♂️ We really should have made that extra man count against Palace and West Ham... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 14:58:00 GMT 1
Whilst it’s his preferred formation he’s not rigid and has played other formations. Away at Liverpool,was more like 4141 (verging on 4231) Away at Spurs was arguably 541 (or 4141) 442 v Leicester (although I’d call it 4411) Palace and West Ham were 4232 Probably played 433 slightly less than 50% of time in that last month or two....🤷♂️ We really should have made that extra man count against Palace and West Ham... Whoops...4231 ! Although against Palace we’d have been better off playing 4232 and no keeper. |
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Post by Jack on Jul 26, 2019 15:11:04 GMT 1
He played very well against Wolves but I tend to agree with the original quoted post. In that Wolves game, he was 'gung ho', seem to remember him diving into several tackles and sending a few players clattering, worked wonderfully on that occasion but long term, I'm not sure it would and might leave us exposed. He's better suited to the role of midfielder, he will certainly see a few red cards over his career but that comes with the type of player he is. Fair do's. I was mainly aiming my post at the bit saying he was substituted for having a shocker at H/T It was the Bournemouth game I was thinking of. Truly dreadful at RB. I just looked it up and he was moved to midfield at halftime, not subbed, so apologies. If I recall he had a few games at RB and I stick by my comments. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 26, 2019 16:05:25 GMT 1
Grabara Flo Shindler Elphick Kongolo Hogg Mooy Bacuna Pritchard Grant Diakhaby Subs. Coleman Bockhorn O'Brien Kachunga Stankovic R Brown Koroma Similar to the team I'd play. Although I'm a bit hesitant about having Hogg, Bacuna and Mooy in CM together. I know Mooy is creative but I think we need someone with a bit of energy in there running from box-to-box. While Bacuna has the energy, I see him more of a defensive player. I think it would send a real message if we were to play Mooy as the creative midfielder in the centre, Bacuna as the ball-winning midfielder and then Reece Brown as an attacking CM, prepared to run at teams from the middle of the park. We SHOULD have one of the better teams in the championship and I see no reason why we shouldn't take this risk. We have good competition for places it seems in most positions however I reckon we still need a naturally attacking LB to suit Jan's style. Kongolo is a great defensive left back (and a better CB) but doesn't really have the attacking output we need. I've not seen much of Jaden Brown but he has never played at this level before. Bacuna can play the sitting role comfortably but I think he's naturally a box to box midfielder & a bloody good one at that. |
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 26, 2019 16:22:03 GMT 1
Maybe a little controversial I'd go with
Grabara
Flo
Elphick
Schindler
Kongolo
Mooy
Bacuna
Reece brown
Pritchard
Grant
VLP
Pritchard and vlp do do defensive work if needed that's why I've gone with them to start
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 26, 2019 16:40:25 GMT 1
Maybe a little controversial I'd go with Grabara Flo Elphick Schindler Kongolo Mooy Bacuna Reece brown Pritchard Grant VLP Pritchard and vlp do do defensive work if needed that's why I've gone with them to start Jan doesn't want his wide men to have to defend. He tells them to stay high up |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 26, 2019 17:00:25 GMT 1
Fair do's. I was mainly aiming my post at the bit saying he was substituted for having a shocker at H/T It was the Bournemouth game I was thinking of. Truly dreadful at RB. I just looked it up and he was moved to midfield at halftime, not subbed, so apologies. If I recall he had a few games at RB and I stick by my comments. Right, sorry, I didn't realise, I was working and missed the Baldmuff game |
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 26, 2019 17:36:19 GMT 1
Maybe a little controversial I'd go with Grabara Flo Elphick Schindler Kongolo Mooy Bacuna Reece brown Pritchard Grant VLP Pritchard and vlp do do defensive work if needed that's why I've gone with them to start Jan doesn't want his wide men to have to defend. He tells them to stay high up Defending from the front😉 I have more confidence in these winning the ball than diakhaby or mbenza. |
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 26, 2019 17:51:30 GMT 1
Diakhaby on the right for me.
Think Pritchard may get the nod on the left but over VLP, not with him.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 26, 2019 22:20:30 GMT 1
I suppose it's academic really as we will be playing 4-3-3 Come on Chips this isn’t your first BBQ you know how these forums work. People discuss their perspectives on circumstances relating to passion / subject matter that unites them. In this case Hudds Town. And not many managers nowadays have one formation for every situation, it’s not 1987. I don’t think 4-3-3 is a good system unless you have some exceptionally gifted players, especially the wide players in a front 3 ( like Eden Hazard, for example). It is easy (especially if you have Mbenza and Diakhaby as those wide players) to get overrun in midfield. |
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Post by impact on Jul 26, 2019 22:25:07 GMT 1
Bacuna is not, and never has been, a right back.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jul 26, 2019 22:52:41 GMT 1
Bacuna's talents are wasted at right back. People who thought he was good vs Wolves think so because he was reckless and flew into tackles like I assume their favourites from the Buxton days did. Has anyone seen him overlap or put in a good cross before? You need a different kind of positional awareness at full back to midfield, and he lacks it because he's a midfielder.
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