E4b
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Post by E4b on Aug 5, 2019 22:44:07 GMT 1
Keeper headed it to him and left himself in no mans land. Keeper was already in no means land thanks to the Elphicks error, he had no option but to head it. What I’m saying is that Hamer would have been slaughtered for doing the same. He got slaughtered for letting 6 goals in away at City last season, how many would City have scored tonight against this shower of shit?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 5, 2019 22:44:14 GMT 1
Stevie....get a grip. I think he was our best player. Pritchard was our only player tonight although Mooy pulled his finger out in second half. Pritchard has flattered to deceive for too long now. Head down he has close control but no end product. I think its around 100 shots and 98 over the bar since he arrived.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:44:17 GMT 1
Minus goal difference would suggest we were inept, yes. Minus goal difference means we had several heavy defeats and yet still 25 wins, most by a single goal - which means my friend that you are talking out of your 'arris! We scored 56 in the promotion season, the second lowest in the top half of the league. Wobble your own head.
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Post by johns on Aug 5, 2019 22:45:06 GMT 1
You want to scapegoat Hogg what about the others then Mooy Bacuna Elphick Haderjonaj did they play better I don't give a fuck about the others, I was taking issue with someone describing Hogg's performance as "immense" when it clearly was nothing of the sort. Don't worry we've just extended his contract 😆😆😆
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Post by specialun on Aug 5, 2019 22:45:16 GMT 1
Minus goal difference would suggest we were inept, yes. 25 league wins and 81 points suggests you're talking shite. We were a great team We weren’t individually great
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Post by townrwe on Aug 5, 2019 22:45:16 GMT 1
Wouldn't miss Elphick If he never played for Town again.... if hes better than stankovich then we may as well send stanks to be turned into glue.
Slow, terrible distribution, headers coming off his shoulder and the back pass.... If I was Jan I'd be inviting him into the office and telling him hes the new u17 coach.
KONGOLO must play CB.
We need a new RB and LB. RVLP must play, and we need a new winger.
Who would have thought RVLP would become our best winger when we have spraffed 20 million on two sprinters wearing football boots.
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Post by johns on Aug 5, 2019 22:47:08 GMT 1
Best move was when flo put the ball in and no fucker was in the box unbelievable
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Post by E4b on Aug 5, 2019 22:47:20 GMT 1
Pritchard was our only player tonight although Mooy pulled his finger out in second half. Pritchard has flattered to deceive for too long now. Head down he has close control but no end product. I think its around 100 shots and 98 over the bar since he arrived. I reckon, if he doesn’t go, he will prove to be our main man this season. He’d have scored tonight if Diakhaby had squared it to him to tap in.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 5, 2019 22:47:52 GMT 1
Wouldn't miss Elphick If he never played for Town again.... if hes better than stankovich then we may as well send stanks to be turned into glue. Slow, terrible distribution, headers coming off his shoulder and the back pass.... If I was Jan I'd be inviting him into the office and telling him hes the new u17 coach. KONGOLO must play CB. We need a new RB and LB. RVLP must play, and we need a new winger. Who would have thought RVLP would become our best winger when we have spraffed 20 million on two sprinters wearing football boots. Post of the night mate, Elphick is absolutely terrible, like a shit anthony kay on speed. He should not be allowed in Collin Bells Audi again, omg.
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Post by H7 on Aug 5, 2019 22:48:29 GMT 1
433 can work when you have players like Liverpool have.
Our squad does not lend itself to 433 at all, first half we looked so unorganised and unbalanced it was a joke. You also can’t play 433 with 3 CDMs. Mooy has absolutely no chance to run the game when he’s being asked to be a 10 every 5 minutes rotating with Bacuna and Hogg. Pritchard is class at championship level and is wasted on LW.
Back to basics 4231, drop one of Hogg or bacuna and play with 2 wingers and Grant with Pritchard behind as a 10. You have to play to the strengths of the squad and tonight we didn’t.
Having said that Diakhaby looked very dangerous but needs to work on end product and we lost because of one mistake. Derby a good team and they’ll be there or there abouts, but we need to get a win soon and desperately or it’ll become toxic.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Aug 5, 2019 22:49:29 GMT 1
Oh, how I turned up tonight wanting something special, something new. Instead it was just a continuation of the same old stuff we were served up last season. Early days I know, but something just doesn't feel right and the sooner it is rectified the better or we'll just get deeper into the rut.
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Post by linson on Aug 5, 2019 22:51:18 GMT 1
I only saw the first half but for me...
Flo still looks weak Bacuna couldn't get in the game Mooy just drifts around the pitch with little energy Diakhaby has the pace but doesn't have a footballing brain
Overall we looked like we weren't psychologically up for the game. We were playing like we were trying to avoid defeat, rather than playing to win.
I don't understand why Siewert hasn't got a new winger in.
Half of the problem last year was Wagner felt they weren't effective enough as a group and stopped playing them altogether. Imo Quaner and Kachunga should be shown the door and use the Billing / Zanka money to get a marquis winger ASAP.
Keep Diakhaby Mbenza and Pritchard
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:51:33 GMT 1
25 league wins and 81 points suggests you're talking shite. We were a great team We weren’t individually great My argument was never about wins, it was about goals scored.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 5, 2019 22:52:21 GMT 1
Oh, how I turned up tonight wanting something special, something new. Instead it was just a continuation of the same old stuff we were served up last season. Early days I know, but something just doesn't feel right and the sooner it is rectified the better or we'll just get deeper into the rut. We all feel your pain!! It will improve (hopefully).
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Post by impact on Aug 5, 2019 22:53:53 GMT 1
Minus goal difference means we had several heavy defeats and yet still 25 wins, most by a single goal - which means my friend that you are talking out of your 'arris! We scored 56 in the promotion season, the second lowest in the top half of the league. Wobble your own head. Because we got ahead and saw the game out. Think we only conceded 1 goal after 85 mins all season, and that was after throwing the kitchen sink at Burton. That's not being inept. That's superb coaching and execution.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 5, 2019 22:55:41 GMT 1
Jan says we're taking the positives out of tonight. I presume he's talking about the hedges being cut around the stadium. Very few positives tonight. To say we've been working on this 433 all pre season we looked at bit clueless as to what to do, no high press and the loss of midfield where Derby were just moving through us.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 5, 2019 22:57:33 GMT 1
Jan says we're taking the positives out of tonight. I presume he's talking about the hedges being cut around the stadium. Very few positives tonight. To say we've been working on this 433 all pre season we looked at bit clueless as to what to do, no high press and the loss of midfield where Derby were just moving through us. You back home.? I'm still.waiting outside Costa for that lift you promised me . Bastard
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Post by impact on Aug 5, 2019 23:01:52 GMT 1
Genuine question - what is our style of play?
1st 20 mins all we seems to do was hoof it at Grant and Pritchard, those well renowned headers of a ball.
Then we played down the flanks.
Then we tried playing very slowly through the middle.
Do we have 1?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 5, 2019 23:03:00 GMT 1
Pritchard has flattered to deceive for too long now. Head down he has close control but no end product. I think its around 100 shots and 98 over the bar since he arrived. I reckon, if he doesn’t go, he will prove to be our main man this season. He’d have scored tonight if Diakhaby had squared it to him to tap in. Nope, got a role but steady on. 28 goals in 8 years in lower leagues says that is not happening.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2019 23:03:20 GMT 1
Minus goal difference means we had several heavy defeats and yet still 25 wins, most by a single goal - which means my friend that you are talking out of your 'arris! We scored 56 in the promotion season, the second lowest in the top half of the league. Wobble your own head. So was that inept, Douglas? Or are you still going to try and defend your ridiculous statement - Oh for the free scoring glory days when managed by Powell and Robins
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Post by thatlad on Aug 5, 2019 23:04:29 GMT 1
I only saw the first half but for me... Flo still looks weak Bacuna couldn't get in the game Mooy just drifts around the pitch with little energy Diakhaby has the pace but doesn't have a footballing brain Overall we looked like we weren't psychologically up for the game. We were playing like we were trying to avoid defeat, rather than playing to win. I don't understand why Siewert hasn't got a new winger in. Half of the problem last year was Wagner felt they weren't effective enough as a group and stopped playing them altogether. Imo Quaner and Kachunga should be shown the door and use the Billing / Zanka money to get a marquis winger ASAP. Keep Diakhaby Mbenza and Pritchard If Flo could beat his man by the corner and find a bit of space to look up and find a target he'd be quality. He just doesn't have the strength, bottle and skill to do it.
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Post by bigtruck on Aug 5, 2019 23:04:31 GMT 1
Right knee jerk reaction possibly but 1) We need a proper LB. Kongolo is a CB 2) Diakhaby and Mbenza are shite 3) Bacuna played like when he first joined. No composure 4) Lawrence is the most overrated player in this division and yet made us look daft at times 5) Waghorn is a fat cheating c**t 6) After 2 years of shit refs and linos, we’re still getting them 7) Why Kachunga & Collin are in front of Koroma and Brown I do not know. Ludicrous decision. 8) Flo is shit. If no ones in the box don’t f**king cross it. Look up for gods sake 9) Pritchard isn’t a winger 10) F**king Chip Oyle shut down just topped the whole evening off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 23:07:25 GMT 1
The one thing apparent to me that has changed since we were last here, is we've lost our identity. I honestly had no fucking clue what our plan A was tonight. My niggling doubt about us all summer was whether or not Jan was tactically astute enough. I honestly don't think he'll be here beyond the year but would love him to ram my words down my throat. I said this last season about him. About his time in Germany at a 4th tier team. Willing to give him a go, but I’d be looking at where we are and how many points we have after 10 games. If it’s a low single figure, he has to go. Worrying changes and tactics tonight, but could be good going forward as Brown and Koroma could be called upon now, along with VLP. One game doesn’t make a season, may have been rust. Let’s see in our next one how we are.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 5, 2019 23:08:29 GMT 1
Wouldn't miss Elphick If he never played for Town again.... if hes better than stankovich then we may as well send stanks to be turned into glue. Slow, terrible distribution, headers coming off his shoulder and the back pass.... If I was Jan I'd be inviting him into the office and telling him hes the new u17 coach. KONGOLO must play CB. We need a new RB and LB. RVLP must play, and we need a new winger. Who would have thought RVLP would become our best winger when we have spraffed 20 million on two sprinters wearing football boots.
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Post by Town Duppy on Aug 5, 2019 23:10:54 GMT 1
Tbh.. We were shite.. Elphick slow as a boat.. Flo.. Never seen a footballer. Bacuna.. All over the place.. I told my mate after 10 mins.. Their no 10 was getting too much space... He was the best player on pitch by a mile.. Its gonna be a long season.. 🥴 Bollocks...........You don't have a mate.......
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Post by ACW on Aug 5, 2019 23:12:00 GMT 1
Genuine question - what is our style of play? 1st 20 mins all we seems to do was hoof it at Grant and Pritchard, those well renowned headers of a ball. Then we played down the flanks. Then we tried playing very slowly through the middle. Do we have 1? I think that is a major problem for us - we don't have a defined style of play. The aimless punts of the first 20 mins were especially concerning, but the players looked uncertain all over the pitch tonight. We did not look a well-coached team at all.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Aug 5, 2019 23:12:43 GMT 1
Poor first half and never really settled except for a couple of decent runs. Awful first goal second was an excellent finish from Tom Watson.
Second half they managed to defend their lead, and they did it professionally. If Katchunga had not skyed the open goal and Mooy's superb shot had been a foot left we would have won.
They looked the better side first half and we looked the better side second.
Work to do but there were some very good signs there and we need to build on them.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 5, 2019 23:13:08 GMT 1
A really worrying performance and we’re lucky Derby declared at half time or it could’ve been ugly.
They pressed us high but we let them stroll into our half with minimal pressure on the ball. Lawrence was their only real threat and we let him drift into space and run at our defence constantly. They also seemed to get in behind our centre halves constantly to pick up the ball and run at our box.
We had no plan to get through their press, Elphick kept hoofing aimlessly between some good but risky passes through the middle of the park.
The three midfielders were on top of each other most of the first half. Movement going forward was so static it was untrue, Grant constantly isolated but making no runs down the channels to run at their centre backs.
We played the ball constantly to Flo on the wing but his crossing was shite and he was completely isolated, sometimes no one within thirty yards of him and Grant surrounded by 4 derby defenders. If we’re trying to play down the wings we should be trying to overload on one side or manipulate it quickly to the other side for an overload. We just passed it around, too many touches and not enough movement.
We looked like a team under coached and without an identity. What was our method to score a goal? The system is wrong for our players, get Pritchard in as a number 10 because he was actually our only positive today. Get him and Mooy playing off each other and coach our front three to make some incisive runs in behind so they’ve got something to pass to.
Siewert needs to get his act together and fast.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 5, 2019 23:15:15 GMT 1
Poor first half and never really settled except for a couple of decent runs. Awful first goal second was an excellent finish from Tom Watson. Second half they managed to defend their lead, and they did it professionally. If Katchunga had not skyed the open goal and Mooy's superb shot had been a foot left we would have won. They looked the better side first half and we looked the better side second. Work to do but there were some very good signs there and we need to build on them. on drugs
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Post by Giggity on Aug 5, 2019 23:16:20 GMT 1
Tommy Elthick. Clue is in his name.
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