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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 1:07:33 GMT 1
To be fair to Flo it wasn't till lateish in the second half when he went down as if shot and lay prone off the field, but for his fist pumping the ground as though his leg was broken. Fortunately in the time he was off Derby didn't score and he was soon back on, fit as a fiddle... Another pet hate of mine. I noticed that not one player gave a fuck about that, they just carried on playing. Cos he was off the pitch ?
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Post by E4b on Aug 6, 2019 7:02:41 GMT 1
Yes he did well to save that shot, he saved 1 out of 3 shots on target. So a better average than the keeper in our opening game last season then Possibly, possibly not. Do you know?
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Post by E4b on Aug 6, 2019 7:03:47 GMT 1
Derby didn’t need to get out of first gear tonight, didn’t need to break sweat. It was men against boys, fucking dire Makes me wonder how much shit Hamer would have got if he had gifted Lawrence the first goal in the manner our keeper did tonight! Not sticking up for him cos it was a weak header but would you, seriously, blame the keeper more than Elphick for the goal. I've seen him twice now and he's been at fault for goals in both games I would blame them both, keystone cops defending.
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Post by E4b on Aug 6, 2019 7:07:07 GMT 1
What I’m saying is that Hamer would have been slaughtered for doing the same. He got slaughtered for letting 6 goals in away at City last season, how many would City have scored tonight against this shower of shit? When are you going to stop noncing on Hamer? It’s getting really fucking weird now.[/quote Not noncing at all, just making a comparison.
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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 6, 2019 7:20:26 GMT 1
Anyone who is still optimistic after that is truly wearing the rose tinted specs. Nothing positive to take from that game at all. Derby had us in their pockets from start to finish and deserved the win. Yes, second half was better than the first....but we failed to score.......sound familiar?
It was just awful to watch. All over the place as a team, and really poor as individuals. I'm not sure our better players are taking the pay cut that well. Mooy, Kongolo, Schindler.....poor performances from players who should be showing leadership.
I don't think Jan is the man. Not tactically astute enough. Clearly not worrying about the strengths of the opposition is working out well. That's a dangerous game when their players are better than yours. The way we ignored Lawrence absolutely sums that up. Not a single one of our players could have done what he did last night.
Not a knee-jerk reaction.....just calling it as I saw it. I don't think it's worth defending the indefensible.....it masks the truth, which is.........we were shite.
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Post by detox on Aug 6, 2019 7:34:49 GMT 1
Refrained from commenting straight after the game..but my verdict this morning is -
Our defence still looks dodgy Where did Grant disapper to second half ? Two guilt edged chances missed Mooy and Hogg are too slow and play too deep Some good wing play We need a guy up top to win headers Crosses still bad though Corners still not too good euther Not sure what our tactics were but looks just like last season.. We probably need 4 new players who have better ball control, are more skillful and fitter.
Derby scored two good goals from outside the box, we missed chances inside the box.
We'll finish about 15th this season
I am no longer optimistic that we can even improve on that performance, we just don't have the right players
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 6, 2019 7:49:18 GMT 1
Pritchard was our only player tonight although Mooy pulled his finger out in second half. Pritchard has flattered to deceive for too long now. Head down he has close control but no end product. I think its around 100 shots and 98 over the bar since he arrived. I thought he was our best player during the first half, acknowledging that didn't take too much!) Did some good stuff. My concern with him though, is he just can't cover the yards.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 6, 2019 7:49:28 GMT 1
Refrained from commenting straight after the game..but my verdict this morning is - Our defence still looks dodgy Where did Grant disapper to second half ? Two guilt edged chances missed Mooy and Hogg are too slow and play too deep Some good wing play We need a guy up top to win headers Crosses still bad though Corners still not too good euther Not sure what our tactics were but looks just like last season.. We probably need 4 new players who have better ball control, are more skillful and fitter. Derby scored two good goals from outside the box, we missed chances inside the box. We'll finish about 15th this season I am no longer optimistic that we can even improve on that performance, we just don't have the right players Was grant not putting himself about because he wants a move? Mind you the same could be said for a fair few who were marking space pretty much the whole game.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 6, 2019 7:52:11 GMT 1
Refrained from commenting straight after the game..but my verdict this morning is - Our defence still looks dodgy Where did Grant disapper to second half ? Two guilt edged chances missed Mooy and Hogg are too slow and play too deep Some good wing play We need a guy up top to win headers Crosses still bad though Corners still not too good euther Not sure what our tactics were but looks just like last season.. We probably need 4 new players who have better ball control, are more skillful and fitter. Derby scored two good goals from outside the box, we missed chances inside the box. We'll finish about 15th this season I am no longer optimistic that we can even improve on that performance, we just don't have the right players Was grant not putting himself about because he wants a move? Mind you the same could be said for a fair few who were marking space pretty much the whole game. Yes I’m sure Grant thought the best way to get a move to another club would be to ‘not put myself about’
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 6, 2019 7:54:32 GMT 1
Special mention to the ref who somehow managed to be just as inept as our players, that despite giving us our third penalty in around the last decade. 32 fouls given and not one bad challenge in 94 minutes, completely disrupted the game from start to finish. Has the new rule on subs having to leave the field at the closest line been scrapped or did he just chose to completely ignore it? How he didn't book Huddleston though!
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Post by townrwe on Aug 6, 2019 7:55:05 GMT 1
Refrained from commenting straight after the game..but my verdict this morning is - Our defence still looks dodgy Where did Grant disapper to second half ? Two guilt edged chances missed Mooy and Hogg are too slow and play too deep Some good wing play We need a guy up top to win headers Crosses still bad though Corners still not too good euther Not sure what our tactics were but looks just like last season.. We probably need 4 new players who have better ball control, are more skillful and fitter. Derby scored two good goals from outside the box, we missed chances inside the box. We'll finish about 15th this season I am no longer optimistic that we can even improve on that performance, we just don't have the right players Was grant not putting himself about because he wants a move? Mind you the same could be said for a fair few who were marking space pretty much the whole game. Mooy didn't want to make a tackle, hogg wasn't his usual self either despite the rumoured new contract, bacuna was bottling tackles, hadajonaj was bottling tackles, Grant hardly covered himself in glory and didn't compete, kongolo hardly put him self about. I reckon most of the team and poor performance was because of players hoping for a move this week and protecting themselves for it. Only players that didn't bottle it were grabba, Schindler, diakhaby (although he never tackles anyway) and Pritchard. Kachunga and Collin, who are 100% ers.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 6, 2019 7:58:57 GMT 1
And where the hell was RVLP our best player, ffs, fuming !
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 6, 2019 8:11:43 GMT 1
And where the hell was RVLP our best player, ffs, fuming ! Agree. The guy needs his confidence rebuilding so what happens? Left totally out of the match day squad. Key to our transition play and exceptional defensive work rate under Wagner that are not apparent with his stats that keep been quoted.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 6, 2019 8:24:38 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 6, 2019 8:54:27 GMT 1
Pritchard has flattered to deceive for too long now. Head down he has close control but no end product. I think its around 100 shots and 98 over the bar since he arrived. I thought he was our best player during the first half, acknowledging that didn't take too much!) Did some good stuff. My concern with him though, is he just can't cover the yards. He is tricky with the feet but never a left winger.....was always miles from Grant. He always seems to sky the shots like VLP. One of our better players on the night but not good enough i am afraid.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 6, 2019 8:55:36 GMT 1
Well I was upset with the way we started out and the lack of urgency in the team, some of our better players being caught on the ball which was not what I was expecting. Things got a little better, but I did not come on here last night because I was not happy and jumping in early you usually end up regretting your first response.
Now that I have braved a look on here I now feel like committing suicide. I know that we have got things wrong in the past and we don’t seem to a addressed the issues we saw in the team last year but what do we think is going to happen. Venting our spleen on here dose not give us a direct line god and that he will make all our issues disappear.
I am sure that the club will not be happy today and I hope that they will be looking at what can be done to rectify the situation. Transfer deadline day is approaching fast so if the three loans are to appear with the quality that has been indicated they had better appear quickly. I think that an explanation as to what we have or have not done in team building will be require, but this will have to wait until after the window has closed.
We have a new chairman who is aware of the issues we have as a club and I assume that he does not want us to stumble in to a relegation battle. I would like him to show that we are making plans to move forward not just trying to put the brakes on to arrest our fall. In my opinion this is the reason the loss last night feels so bad, we the supporters don’t feel that we have a plan or a plan to move forward. We have statements on what Town want to do and the direction they want to go, but I don’t feel that this is reflected in the actions that have been taken to date.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 6, 2019 9:04:45 GMT 1
Wayne Rooney Going to derby !
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Post by artysid on Aug 6, 2019 9:32:48 GMT 1
We just seem unable to break quickly despite having players with plenty of pace. Surely it has to be a mentality thing?
Watching Leeds break Bristol apart on Sunday then watching us yesterday showed the gulf.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 9:58:29 GMT 1
Was grant not putting himself about because he wants a move? Mind you the same could be said for a fair few who were marking space pretty much the whole game. Mooy didn't want to make a tackle, hogg wasn't his usual self either despite the rumoured new contract, bacuna was bottling tackles, hadajonaj was bottling tackles, Grant hardly covered himself in glory and didn't compete, kongolo hardly put him self about. I reckon most of the team and poor performance was because of players hoping for a move this week and protecting themselves for it. Only players that didn't bottle it were grabba, Schindler, diakhaby (although he never tackles anyway) and Pritchard. Kachunga and Collin, who are 100% ers. 100% shit
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 10:00:07 GMT 1
The worst thing about last night was we made Richard Keogh and some 4th division clogger look like fucking Beckenbauer and Baresi 🤬
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 6, 2019 10:02:30 GMT 1
We just seem unable to break quickly despite having players with plenty of pace. Surely it has to be a mentality thing? Watching Leeds break Bristol apart on Sunday then watching us yesterday showed the gulf. In my opinion it isn’t a mentality thing, it’s a coaching/formation thing. There is no point our wingers busting a gut to get down the wing to have either no one in the box or only Grant. Where are the bodies getting forward to help the winger?
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Post by townrwe on Aug 6, 2019 10:02:51 GMT 1
Mooy didn't want to make a tackle, hogg wasn't his usual self either despite the rumoured new contract, bacuna was bottling tackles, hadajonaj was bottling tackles, Grant hardly covered himself in glory and didn't compete, kongolo hardly put him self about. I reckon most of the team and poor performance was because of players hoping for a move this week and protecting themselves for it. Only players that didn't bottle it were grabba, Schindler, diakhaby (although he never tackles anyway) and Pritchard. Kachunga and Collin, who are 100% ers. 100% shit 100% shiters? Not saying they are the answer, but their attitude and application is on a par with Schindlers, kachunga looked like he had barely played for a year and collin obviously doesnt have the quality to be anything other than a supersub
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 6, 2019 10:04:29 GMT 1
We just seem unable to break quickly despite having players with plenty of pace. Surely it has to be a mentality thing? Watching Leeds break Bristol apart on Sunday then watching us yesterday showed the gulf. In my opinion it isn’t a mentality thing, it’s a coaching/formation thing. There is no point our wingers busting a gut to get down the wing to have either no one in the box or only Grant. Where are the bodies getting forward to help the winger? ah yes, there was that time when hadurgonads flew down the right wing but none of our players could be arsed to break forward. Players have to take a look at themselves after last night.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 6, 2019 11:56:50 GMT 1
I've seen it back several times & I still have no idea what Elphick was attempting to do? A horrendous piece of defending in what was one of the worst debuts I've ever seen by any town player.
Once we got back into it with the penalty we then played what can only be described as walking pace, sideways crab football. When we did eventually get it out wide the crossing was fucking abysmal & with the few chances we created we completely fluffed them.
Not one player got more than a 5 out of 10 in my eyes & that is simply not good enough.
Massive improvement needed by every player on Saturday.
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Post by artysid on Aug 6, 2019 11:59:59 GMT 1
I've seen it back several times & I still have no idea what Elphick was attempting to do? A horrendous piece of defending in what was one of the worst debuts I've ever seen by any town player. Once we got back into it with the penalty we then played what can only be described as walking pace, sideways crab football. When we did eventually get it out wide the crossing was fucking abysmal & with the few chances we created we completely fluffed them. Not one player got more than a 5 out of 10 in my eyes & that is simply not good enough. Massive improvement needed by every player on Saturday. I don't think he was attempting to do anything. I think it was just a mistake, he got his body all twisted up.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 6, 2019 12:21:09 GMT 1
I've seen it back several times & I still have no idea what Elphick was attempting to do? A horrendous piece of defending in what was one of the worst debuts I've ever seen by any town player. Once we got back into it with the penalty we then played what can only be described as walking pace, sideways crab football. When we did eventually get it out wide the crossing was fucking abysmal & with the few chances we created we completely fluffed them. Not one player got more than a 5 out of 10 in my eyes & that is simply not good enough. Massive improvement needed by every player on Saturday. I don't think he was attempting to do anything. I think it was just a mistake, he got his body all twisted up. He was attempting to shoulder it back to the keeper, the sort of thing you do in training when pissing about with your mates. Absolutely shambolic from an experienced central defender to even attempt that at any point in a match. Then he tried something similar not long after. He needs a thorough arse kicking with the threat that anymore of that nonsense will result in a long spell on the bench.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 6, 2019 12:41:20 GMT 1
I don't think he was attempting to do anything. I think it was just a mistake, he got his body all twisted up. He was attempting to shoulder it back to the keeper, the sort of thing you do in training when pissing about with your mates. Absolutely shambolic from an experienced central defender to even attempt that at any point in a match. Then he tried something similar not long after. He needs a thorough arse kicking with the threat that anymore of that nonsense will result in a long spell on the bench. Let's say that was Edmonds-Green making his senior debut, would Jan put him in the team the following game? I seriously doubt it. Should Elphick we in the team on Saturday after a debut like that? He should be nowhere near the team, he was horrendous all game. Grabara Bockhorn Kongolo Shindler Hadergjonaj Hogg Mooy O'Brien Diakhaby Grant Pritchard That's the starting 11 I'd go with on Saturday although the rest of them shouldn't feel too comfortable keeping their places & need to really step it up aswell.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 6, 2019 12:45:09 GMT 1
He was attempting to shoulder it back to the keeper, the sort of thing you do in training when pissing about with your mates. Absolutely shambolic from an experienced central defender to even attempt that at any point in a match. Then he tried something similar not long after. He needs a thorough arse kicking with the threat that anymore of that nonsense will result in a long spell on the bench. Let's say that was Edmonds-Green making his senior debut, would Jan put him in the team the following game? I seriously doubt it. Should Elphick we in the team on Saturday after a debut like that? He should be nowhere near the team, he was horrendous all game. Grabara Bockhorn Kongolo Shindler Hadergjonaj Hogg Mooy O'Brien Diakhaby Grant Pritchard That's the starting 11 I'd go with on Saturday although the rest of them shouldn't feel too comfortable keeping their places & need to really step it up aswell. In the absence of no further signings I'd go with that. However I can't see Jan dropping Elphick after one shit game but he certainly needs to cut out the crap.
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 6, 2019 12:47:32 GMT 1
We just seem unable to break quickly despite having players with plenty of pace. Surely it has to be a mentality thing? Watching Leeds break Bristol apart on Sunday then watching us yesterday showed the gulf. In my opinion it isn’t a mentality thing, it’s a coaching/formation thing. There is no point our wingers busting a gut to get down the wing to have either no one in the box or only Grant. Where are the bodies getting forward to help the winger? I think you're right about it being a coaching thing, but the problem goes deeper. We put an emphasis on keeping possession and passing to feet, this means the players aren't moving when they receive the ball and are susceptible to being caught in possession. This is then compounded by the fact that other than Pritchard and VLP our attackers don't want the ball to feet, they want it into space for them to move onto. Yes, Hadergjonaj's crosses were poor, but we did get him into positions where he could have delivered.
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 6, 2019 12:54:40 GMT 1
He was attempting to shoulder it back to the keeper, the sort of thing you do in training when pissing about with your mates. Absolutely shambolic from an experienced central defender to even attempt that at any point in a match. Then he tried something similar not long after. He needs a thorough arse kicking with the threat that anymore of that nonsense will result in a long spell on the bench. Let's say that was Edmonds-Green making his senior debut, would Jan put him in the team the following game? I seriously doubt it. Should Elphick we in the team on Saturday after a debut like that? He should be nowhere near the team, he was horrendous all game. Grabara Bockhorn Kongolo Shindler Hadergjonaj Hogg Mooy O'Brien Diakhaby Grant Pritchard That's the starting 11 I'd go with on Saturday although the rest of them shouldn't feel too comfortable keeping their places & need to really step it up aswell. I'd go with R Brown rather than O'Brien as I think he might be more attacking.
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