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Post by Big Ern on Aug 7, 2019 11:38:05 GMT 1
Thanks for clearing that up Phil. Hilarious. I only re-registered to share some freely available financial information. Apparently some posters on here don't even have the decency to do some basic research before they make defamatory remarks. However, for years people couldn't understand why a loss-making club didn't throw all of the Jordan Rhodes money at players, so I clearly expected too much. Hopefully, for his sake, the real Phil doesn't come on here. Imagine buying your boyhood club and having some grown men accuse you of trousering money because they were in a bad mood about losing the first game of the season. Criticism is fine, but some of this thread is libellous. I'll leave you all to it. He hasnt bought it though has he. If what has been said is to be believed then any one of us supporterd on here without a pot to piss in could have bought the club in the same way. It appears that the only real criteria that the new chairman had to meet was that he is a fan. Well arent we all |
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Post by mallyb on Aug 7, 2019 11:41:07 GMT 1
People saying we can't afford new signings and 'where has the money gone' are missing the point. It's about wage bill not transfer fees. Our wage bill is around 34m and needs to drop to be sustainable. When PH says 1 in 1 out its to do with freeing up space in the wage bill not fees. We can't just keep adding and adding to the wage bill that actually needs reducing. Best way to reduce the wage bill is sell players. Best way to sell players is from a winning team. Best way to get a winning team is a new manager and then invest. Worst way to reduce the wage bill is keep the manager playing a crap system that doesn't work and makes these expensive players look ordinary. Maybe Mooy wasn't that good, it was all Wagner. That should move our best players on for all the Money Phil talks up in the press. Also why are Cardiff investing. We are in the FFP league now, if we have no money they have less than us but are still investing. |
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Post by willo on Aug 7, 2019 11:41:24 GMT 1
Away on holiday presently so have the chance to read a lot of the stuff posted on here and it seems there’s a lot of needless falling out despite a lot of differing opinions. Don’t know much about PH so difficult to comment too much but I have seen enough of JS to know he is nowhere near good enough to “ manage” a Championship football club on many levels. I’d have sounded out someone with the capabilities and experience to manage a club that has recently come out of the PL and is after a real challenge, someone who can attract talented players from across all leagues, give them a 3 year deal and the promise of some money to spend and let them get on with it. I don’t think many of us have been behind Jan from the start but were told he was brought in for the Championship, not the PL. I have seen zero from him at any point that he is anywhere near up to the challenge. Do I think the board are brave enough to sack him today? No. Do I think they will be brave enough to sack him after defeats at QPR, possibly against Lincoln, at home to Fulham & away at Cardiff. I would bloody well hope so but the decision will have come too late by then. My choice if he could be pursuaded would be Chris Hughton who has more than a decent track record and has shown he will work geographically anywhere in the UK. Nothing against Jan, he’s probably a great guy, but so was Chris Powell. We are going nowhere under JS, nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 11:42:28 GMT 1
I’ve a great investment for you. Buy your shrewd 10 million pounds worth of players that’ll get town promoted, lend them to the club on the understanding you get 30 mill back if they get us up this year. If we don’t got up you can sell them for a handsome profit (as given how good they’ll be then their value will have gone up). I've an even better idea, why don't we spend some of the money we should have from positive transfers activity and TV money. Dean was putting in £3-5M a year, Phil claims to be able to finance the club back to the prem so must be expecting to put at least what Dean did in personally on top of all the money we already have. This is not a reaction after 1 game, because it looked exactly the same as every game under Jan last season. There is no clear playing system and nothing has changed. It could be the best system in the world but if the players can't play it you are going to lose. If after 6 months and preseason fans can't see what the system looks like and you don't bring in the players that can play it you have to go. If we had played well Monday and lost everybody would be fine but we didn't. Wagner Lost loads of games but from game 1 after a 2 week break with none of his players you could see the system he was trying to play and the players could play it. So far Phil has told us we are getting loans form the prem that make Mooy look ordinary. That he has enough money to get us back to the Prem but has spent less than £1M on kids and a pensioner. (People on here mocked the idea of heff coming back!!!) That Jan is his man and is a great coach (compared to what? Southport?) He has done nothing to make the majority feel the club is heading in the right direction. Disagree? How empty was the stadium at 80 minutes? When was the last time you heard booing at the end of each half? Thank you. I’m angry because the club is not being run well. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 7, 2019 11:54:35 GMT 1
People saying we can't afford new signings and 'where has the money gone' are missing the point. It's about wage bill not transfer fees. Our wage bill is around 34m and needs to drop to be sustainable. When PH says 1 in 1 out its to do with freeing up space in the wage bill not fees. We can't just keep adding and adding to the wage bill that actually needs reducing. At the end of last season we released: Lossl Depoitre Durm Williams Payne Puncheon (not sure how much we'd have been paying him) The first four will have been among our highest earners, I reckon. This summer we've sold Billing and Smith, again, I'd say they will have been on very decent money. Added together with the relegation reduction that is one hell of a chunk of money taken straight off the wage bill. I understand what you mean about needing to reduce it as much as possible but we've only signed lower league players who will be on relatively modest wages in comparison to the likes of Williams and Lossl especially. It isn't adding up to me. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 7, 2019 12:00:59 GMT 1
People saying we can't afford new signings and 'where has the money gone' are missing the point. It's about wage bill not transfer fees. Our wage bill is around 34m and needs to drop to be sustainable. When PH says 1 in 1 out its to do with freeing up space in the wage bill not fees. We can't just keep adding and adding to the wage bill that actually needs reducing. At the end of last season we released: Lossl Depoitre Durm Williams Payne Puncheon (not sure how much we'd have been paying him) The first four will have been among our highest earners, I reckon. This summer we've sold Billing and Smith, again, I'd say they will have been on very decent money. Added together with the relegation reduction that is one hell of a chunk of money taken straight off the wage bill. I understand what you mean about needing to reduce it as much as possible but we've only signed lower league players who will be on relatively modest wages in comparison to the likes of Williams and Lossl especially. It isn't adding up to me. Something seems wrong ! |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 7, 2019 12:01:55 GMT 1
At the end of last season we released: Lossl Depoitre Durm Williams Payne Puncheon (not sure how much we'd have been paying him) The first four will have been among our highest earners, I reckon. This summer we've sold Billing and Smith, again, I'd say they will have been on very decent money. Added together with the relegation reduction that is one hell of a chunk of money taken straight off the wage bill. I understand what you mean about needing to reduce it as much as possible but we've only signed lower league players who will be on relatively modest wages in comparison to the likes of Williams and Lossl especially. It isn't adding up to me. Something seems wrong ! I forgot to mention that we'd got your mate Sobhi at least partly off the wage bill too, and brought in a loan fee for him! |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 7, 2019 12:05:44 GMT 1
correct me if im wrong but didnt the club say a bit back we ad to sell before we could buy??.well we have sold billing and smith for combined total £19 million.plus we have let load players go ie depoitre durm to reduce wage bill.the remaining players have taken a pay cut in line with our relegation.i dont expect town to go mad but how much have we spent i reckon its about £450.000 if im not mistaken.its not good enuff i might be suprised by the end of deadline day but i very much doubt it.im not asking town to push boat out i understand to a point our financial restraints but with last season relegation and the general feeling about the place we need something to get us excited for the coming season.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 7, 2019 12:12:53 GMT 1
People saying we can't afford new signings and 'where has the money gone' are missing the point. It's about wage bill not transfer fees. Our wage bill is around 34m and needs to drop to be sustainable. When PH says 1 in 1 out its to do with freeing up space in the wage bill not fees. We can't just keep adding and adding to the wage bill that actually needs reducing. At the end of last season we released: Lossl Depoitre Durm Williams Payne Puncheon (not sure how much we'd have been paying him) The first four will have been among our highest earners, I reckon. This summer we've sold Billing and Smith, again, I'd say they will have been on very decent money. Added together with the relegation reduction that is one hell of a chunk of money taken straight off the wage bill. I understand what you mean about needing to reduce it as much as possible but we've only signed lower league players who will be on relatively modest wages in comparison to the likes of Williams and Lossl especially. It isn't adding up to me. I can harp on about sticking by PH and the manager but I agree that we should have some sort of funding in place for players, where needed. I understand the 1 in 1 out situation but I am sure we are still due 2 ‘ins’ to even everything up. We have dramatically reduced our wage bill, which we had to, we seem to be steady financially now but there still should be a certain chunk available when all is said and done without risking the longevity of the club. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Aug 7, 2019 12:15:26 GMT 1
I forgot to mention that we'd got your mate Sobhi at least partly off the wage bill too, and brought in a loan fee for him! Also sold Lowe. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 7, 2019 12:17:49 GMT 1
I forgot to mention that we'd got your mate Sobhi at least partly off the wage bill too, and brought in a loan fee for him! Also sold Lowe. Very wrong ? |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Aug 7, 2019 12:18:28 GMT 1
I’ve a great investment for you. Buy your shrewd 10 million pounds worth of players that’ll get town promoted, lend them to the club on the understanding you get 30 mill back if they get us up this year. If we don’t got up you can sell them for a handsome profit (as given how good they’ll be then their value will have gone up). I've an even better idea, why don't we spend some of the money we should have from positive transfers activity and TV money. Dean was putting in £3-5M a year, Phil claims to be able to finance the club back to the prem so must be expecting to put at least what Dean did in personally on top of all the money we already have. This is not a reaction after 1 game, because it looked exactly the same as every game under Jan last season. There is no clear playing system and nothing has changed. It could be the best system in the world but if the players can't play it you are going to lose. If after 6 months and preseason fans can't see what the system looks like and you don't bring in the players that can play it you have to go. If we had played well Monday and lost everybody would be fine but we didn't. Wagner Lost loads of games but from game 1 after a 2 week break with none of his players you could see the system he was trying to play and the players could play it. So far Phil has told us we are getting loans form the prem that make Mooy look ordinary. That he has enough money to get us back to the Prem but has spent less than £1M on kids and a pensioner. (People on here mocked the idea of heff coming back!!!) That Jan is his man and is a great coach (compared to what? Southport?) He has done nothing to make the majority feel the club is heading in the right direction. Disagree? How empty was the stadium at 80 minutes? When was the last time you heard booing at the end of each half? Why? Because the club doesn’t want to run itself into the ground. But if an astute investor with his footballing intellect can help them get promotion and make some money then it’s a win-win. Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Aug 7, 2019 12:23:55 GMT 1
No, there were reasons that he wanted to get back to Germany and the club did the right thing by him, as they have done with players in the past that have done right by the club. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 7, 2019 12:34:36 GMT 1
The Labour Party want Barry Sheerlunacy out....but they are so busy stabbing everyone else they have not got around to it. The next Labour candidate is a one-legged Somalian, transgender, homeless beggar who will win by a landslide. I told you all there was no money. I told you all we would not be signing anyone. As a medium sized 2nd tier club we should NEVER pay a fee for anyone anyway. Ludgorets Razgrad squad....half the value of ours and 10 internationals. Weird racist bastard. Yes, i am not a big fan of Sheerman either. |
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Post by bigtruck on Aug 7, 2019 12:40:29 GMT 1
I've an even better idea, why don't we spend some of the money we should have from positive transfers activity and TV money. Dean was putting in £3-5M a year, Phil claims to be able to finance the club back to the prem so must be expecting to put at least what Dean did in personally on top of all the money we already have. This is not a reaction after 1 game, because it looked exactly the same as every game under Jan last season. There is no clear playing system and nothing has changed. It could be the best system in the world but if the players can't play it you are going to lose. If after 6 months and preseason fans can't see what the system looks like and you don't bring in the players that can play it you have to go. If we had played well Monday and lost everybody would be fine but we didn't. Wagner Lost loads of games but from game 1 after a 2 week break with none of his players you could see the system he was trying to play and the players could play it. So far Phil has told us we are getting loans form the prem that make Mooy look ordinary. That he has enough money to get us back to the Prem but has spent less than £1M on kids and a pensioner. (People on here mocked the idea of heff coming back!!!) That Jan is his man and is a great coach (compared to what? Southport?) He has done nothing to make the majority feel the club is heading in the right direction. Disagree? How empty was the stadium at 80 minutes? When was the last time you heard booing at the end of each half? Why? Because the club doesn’t want to run itself into the ground. But if an astute investor with his footballing intellect can help them get promotion and make some money then it’s a win-win. Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. And if my Aunty had a penis she'd be my uncle. Hate it when people say this. Most stupid quote ever.. Anyway... What people want is to see progress, structure and a plan. How are we the only club in footballing history to be relegated after 2 years in the Premier League Cash Cow to not have any money available at all. Its utter nonsense. I don't like PH and i don't like how this buyout has been done. Southport fans have said he's all bluster and ego and i haven't seen anything that shows this is incorrect. I mean the guy owes the club money still from when he sponsored us never mind owning us. |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 7, 2019 12:44:22 GMT 1
I've an even better idea, why don't we spend some of the money we should have from positive transfers activity and TV money. Dean was putting in £3-5M a year, Phil claims to be able to finance the club back to the prem so must be expecting to put at least what Dean did in personally on top of all the money we already have. This is not a reaction after 1 game, because it looked exactly the same as every game under Jan last season. There is no clear playing system and nothing has changed. It could be the best system in the world but if the players can't play it you are going to lose. If after 6 months and preseason fans can't see what the system looks like and you don't bring in the players that can play it you have to go. If we had played well Monday and lost everybody would be fine but we didn't. Wagner Lost loads of games but from game 1 after a 2 week break with none of his players you could see the system he was trying to play and the players could play it. So far Phil has told us we are getting loans form the prem that make Mooy look ordinary. That he has enough money to get us back to the Prem but has spent less than £1M on kids and a pensioner. (People on here mocked the idea of heff coming back!!!) That Jan is his man and is a great coach (compared to what? Southport?) He has done nothing to make the majority feel the club is heading in the right direction. Disagree? How empty was the stadium at 80 minutes? When was the last time you heard booing at the end of each half? Why? Because the club doesn’t want to run itself into the ground. But if an astute investor with his footballing intellect can help them get promotion and make some money then it’s a win-win. Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. its not that we lost to me its the the fact that they didnt have a clue what to do.the team look confused at times.i also noticed on many occasion that when the front line!!.progressed up the pitch at times we ad up to 7 players sat back not willing to go forward there mentality is not to concede instead of lets attack.we needed clear out end last season.people go on about our best players not leaving but look at last years league position and goals scored if they where that good we wouldnt got relegated |
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 7, 2019 12:45:35 GMT 1
I can harp on about sticking by PH and the manager but I agree that we should have some sort of funding in place for players, where needed. I understand the 1 in 1 out situation but I am sure we are still due 2 ‘ins’ to even everything up. We have dramatically reduced our wage bill, which we had to, we seem to be steady financially now but there still should be a certain chunk available when all is said and done without risking the longevity of the club. Our biggest fear was losing our better players, so I imagine our main effort was in identifying replacements. It also makes it difficult when thinking about strengthening because players leaving changes the requirement. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 7, 2019 12:51:34 GMT 1
I can harp on about sticking by PH and the manager but I agree that we should have some sort of funding in place for players, where needed. I understand the 1 in 1 out situation but I am sure we are still due 2 ‘ins’ to even everything up. We have dramatically reduced our wage bill, which we had to, we seem to be steady financially now but there still should be a certain chunk available when all is said and done without risking the longevity of the club. Our biggest fear was losing our better players, so I imagine our main effort was in identifying replacements. It also makes it difficult when thinking about strengthening because players leaving changes the requirement. The transfer window is ridiculous. It should close before the first game. |
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Post by tobbyg on Aug 7, 2019 12:53:59 GMT 1
Reading and Blackburn have spent 7m & 5m on strikers, these two teams had bottom half finishes last season.. I don’t believe they have made any big sales to fund these signings. We have just had 2 seasons in the Premier league and brought in 19m in player sales how can we not have equivalent numbers available to bring new faces in? It all seems a bit fishy to me. seems fishy to me as well!!.got asset stripping written all over it that includes our previous chairman as well You’re one of those brighthouse shoppers aren’t you? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 12:54:46 GMT 1
Our biggest fear was losing our better players, so I imagine our main effort was in identifying replacements. It also makes it difficult when thinking about strengthening because players leaving changes the requirement. The transfer window is ridiculous. It should close before the first game. [br Fear not, Jan made sure we looked garbage on Monday so no one would want our players. Genius. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Aug 7, 2019 12:57:00 GMT 1
Why? Because the club doesn’t want to run itself into the ground. But if an astute investor with his footballing intellect can help them get promotion and make some money then it’s a win-win. Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. its not that we lost to me its the the fact that they didnt have a clue what to do.the team look confused at times.i also noticed on many occasion that when the front line!!.progressed up the pitch at times we ad up to 7 players sat back not willing to go forward there mentality is not to concede instead of lets attack.we needed clear out end last season.people go on about our best players not leaving but look at last years league position and goals scored if they where that good we wouldnt got relegated Agree re getting forward. We look scared to get forward in numbers. Confidence maybe after last year? |
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 7, 2019 13:08:32 GMT 1
Away on holiday presently so have the chance to read a lot of the stuff posted on here and it seems there’s a lot of needless falling out despite a lot of differing opinions. Don’t know much about PH so difficult to comment too much but I have seen enough of JS to know he is nowhere near good enough to “ manage” a Championship football club on many levels. I’d have sounded out someone with the capabilities and experience to manage a club that has recently come out of the PL and is after a real challenge, someone who can attract talented players from across all leagues, give them a 3 year deal and the promise of some money to spend and let them get on with it. I don’t think many of us have been behind Jan from the start but were told he was brought in for the Championship, not the PL. I have seen zero from him at any point that he is anywhere near up to the challenge. Do I think the board are brave enough to sack him today? No. Do I think they will be brave enough to sack him after defeats at QPR, possibly against Lincoln, at home to Fulham & away at Cardiff. I would bloody well hope so but the decision will have come too late by then. My choice if he could be pursuaded would be Chris Hughton who has more than a decent track record and has shown he will work geographically anywhere in the UK. Nothing against Jan, he’s probably a great guy, but so was Chris Powell. We are going nowhere under JS, nowhere. JS is a yes man, a yes man that has landed on his feet and is very comfortable to work within strict parameters as set out by PH. We gained promotion with a negative goal difference. Going back to that season and until now, our starting lineup on Monday night, excluding defenders had 108 goals between them in over 900 appearances. (including subs) 30 of those goals came from Grant. Something I believe Shawsie pointed out earlier in the thread. Now if PH went for someone like Hughton, he would immediately point to those horrendous stats and state the absolute bleeding obvious. The bleeding obvious Hodgkinson has openly stated does not see as a problem. "goals all over the park" Hughton is a great call, but he would ask for some sort of control. In my opinion, Hodgkinson wants a puppet, not someone of Hughtons ilk that would maybe question certain aspects of the club |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 7, 2019 13:35:14 GMT 1
Hilarious. I only re-registered to share some freely available financial information. Apparently some posters on here don't even have the decency to do some basic research before they make defamatory remarks. However, for years people couldn't understand why a loss-making club didn't throw all of the Jordan Rhodes money at players, so I clearly expected too much. Hopefully, for his sake, the real Phil doesn't come on here. Imagine buying your boyhood club and having some grown men accuse you of trousering money because they were in a bad mood about losing the first game of the season. Criticism is fine, but some of this thread is libellous. I'll leave you all to it. He hasnt bought it though has he. If what has been said is to be believed then any one of us supporterd on here without a pot to piss in could have bought the club in the same way. It appears that the only real criteria that the new chairman had to meet was that he is a fan. Well arent we all It would appear that if indeed we are all fans that some fans are much less supportive than others and that's got nothing to do with how many games you attend. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 7, 2019 14:44:50 GMT 1
I’ve a great investment for you. Buy your shrewd 10 million pounds worth of players that’ll get town promoted, lend them to the club on the understanding you get 30 mill back if they get us up this year. If we don’t got up you can sell them for a handsome profit (as given how good they’ll be then their value will have gone up). I wouldn’t do business with Phil. Does that mean you're planning to return your season card and refrain from posting on here at least until we get a new owner in that meeets with your approval ? I see you've started your own company from scratch and it's now worth around £10M, perhaps you can take over and become our saviour ? |
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Post by hd7terrier on Aug 7, 2019 15:55:05 GMT 1
People saying we can't afford new signings and 'where has the money gone' are missing the point. It's about wage bill not transfer fees. Our wage bill is around 34m and needs to drop to be sustainable. When PH says 1 in 1 out its to do with freeing up space in the wage bill not fees. We can't just keep adding and adding to the wage bill that actually needs reducing. I understand this but haven’t we already done this? We released 5 players in the summer at the end of there contracts, Williams, Durm and Loessl will all have been on upwards of 20k a week each. We have sold Lowe, Smith and Billing brought in around 19m in transfer fees probably saving almost 60k per week in wages with these 3 too. That’s 120k per week saved before we even factor in the relegation clauses in the other players contracts. I don’t think or want the club to throw silly money at new players but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable as fans to be expecting more than what we have spent with the transfer fees and wage saving we have made. 8-10m on 3 or 4 new players permanent or loans is not unrealistic in my opinion. |
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Post by mallyb on Aug 7, 2019 16:07:51 GMT 1
Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? No, but are you suggesting we pretend we haven't any money until 1 day it is true and the crowds and impetus has gone to get a player on the cheap? We need to make signings that will excite the crowd and that will be signings that improve the performances. Most aren't expecting promotion but certainly to be at that end of the table playing exciting football again. I don't think Phil or Jan are going to get the time they think they have I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. They have had 6months. Many said give it Hudson until summer or let Wagner see the season out. Jan has had 6 months and a full preseason and nothing has changed, there is no system that these players can play.
At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. |
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Post by zoso on Aug 7, 2019 16:13:11 GMT 1
Some atrocious (and potentially libelous) comments on this thread. Hope Phil knows somewhere he can get some legal advice... What bullshit. Like someone’s gonna sue someone over a comment on a football forum. Christ alive. What a joke. Phil has had a chequered career already. It’s all well documented on line. His start with HTFC has been shite. No ambition, no positivity, no leadership, seemingly no knowledge of football or he’d have said thanks but no thanks to Jan the day after he took over and got someone capable in. We’ve signed a washed up old centre half on a free and some unknown kids. It’s a fucking shit show so far Phil. A fucking disgrace as was that pathetic disjointed clueless effort on Monday. Maybe Dan's post was meant tongue in cheek given what he does for a living....  |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 7, 2019 16:22:02 GMT 1
Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? No, but are you suggesting we pretend we haven't any money until 1 day it is true and the crowds and impetus has gone to get a player on the cheap? We need to make signings that will excite the crowd and that will be signings that improve the performances. Most aren't expecting promotion but certainly to be at that end of the table playing exciting football again. I don't think Phil or Jan are going to get the time they think they have I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. They have had 6months. Many said give it Hudson until summer or let Wagner see the season out. Jan has had 6 months and a full preseason and nothing has changed, there is no system that these players can play.
At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. Whilst agreeing with most of your post/replies, to be fair Kachunga was good enough at this level last time we were here. He was our top scorer in the promotion season, however he's scored one goal in his last 47 games which suggests his best days are long gone, which is something that PH didn't appear to appreciate when he was questioned about strikers at the Q & A. |
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Post by zoso on Aug 7, 2019 16:22:33 GMT 1
People saying we can't afford new signings and 'where has the money gone' are missing the point. It's about wage bill not transfer fees. Our wage bill is around 34m and needs to drop to be sustainable. When PH says 1 in 1 out its to do with freeing up space in the wage bill not fees. We can't just keep adding and adding to the wage bill that actually needs reducing. Which is what both DH & PH have tried to explain..... Sustainability, or as close to it as we can get. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 7, 2019 16:23:33 GMT 1
Is the club supposed to say it’s rolling in cash, set massive expectations and inflate any fees / wages we have to pay? No, but are you suggesting we pretend we haven't any money until 1 day it is true and the crowds and impetus has gone to get a player on the cheap? We need to make signings that will excite the crowd and that will be signings that improve the performances. Most aren't expecting promotion but certainly to be at that end of the table playing exciting football again. I don't think Phil or Jan are going to get the time they think they have I’m not saying everything is great either but give the club some time to get themselves back together at this level before turning on them. They have had 6months. Many said give it Hudson until summer or let Wagner see the season out. Jan has had 6 months and a full preseason and nothing has changed, there is no system that these players can play.
At this level people now expect to win and so feel the need to boo at a loss, there were some who did it last season but clearly more feel that way in the championship. That performance for me wasn’t great but it wasn’t in boo them off the pitch land. If we’d won then none of this hysteria would be going on (we’d have been on our way to promotion no doubt) and despite the overall performance one horrible mistake and one horrible shot was the difference between lose and win. You think our top scorer (who wasn't playing as our main striker) from the promotion season wasn't good enough? OK |
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