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Post by space hardware on Aug 10, 2019 22:36:47 GMT 1
I can't believe he's still in a job, to be honest. No progression, no plan, players who clearly couldn't give a fuck what he says.
It was a shit appointment based purely on the blind hope that what happened with David Wagner could somehow happen again.
A Premier League team (at the time) appointing a guy with almost no experience coaching in senior football, which was basically him getting the bullet from a German 4th division team, is surely unprecedented.
What did the club think would happen? He should never have been appointed and he should now be receiving his P45.
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Post by Billybathtub on Aug 10, 2019 22:44:32 GMT 1
Whatever people might think of jan, imagine being a manager coming into a PL club who (behind closed doors) was likely told not to worry about this season but to focus on next season. that the club is financially very stable, has a squad able to compete very well in the championship, and that money from sales will be reinvested in a "1 in 1 out" policy. "a huge summer ahead", suggesting he can shape his squad......... then imagine having your best players sold and being given a handful of players Lee clark might not have fancied in league 1 as replacements, not even on a 1 in 1 out basis Jan might never make a good manager but for me he was done by the board before the season even started.  |
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Post by yorik on Aug 10, 2019 22:48:48 GMT 1
He,s got to go hasn't a clue big col our best option off the bench? Fulham game a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 10, 2019 22:56:07 GMT 1
He’s out of his depth and to keep him in the job might cause irreparable damage to team morale. What sort of message does it send to a Kongolo/Grant that we’re letting Siewert lead their development. What are they going to learn from him, how’s he going to improve their career?
We need a talented leader to release the potential of our players, make them better and prove that we’re a club worth sticking with because they can achieve their ambitions here. He’s a rookie that has no discernible plan and to keep him in the role says to everyone in football that we are happy to manage a decline back to mediocrity.
The time is ticking on our parachute payments and we’re in danger of squandering the legacy of the premier league money. When that runs out and we no longer have Hoyle to bankroll us we have a very uncertain future. That’s why we can’t piss about, we need to start making lots of good decisions very quickly or it could get real ugly.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 10, 2019 23:02:39 GMT 1
He’s out of his depth and to keep him in the job might cause irreparable damage to team morale. What sort of message does it send to a Kongolo/Grant that we’re letting Siewert lead their development. What are they going to learn from him, how’s he going to improve their career? We need a talented leader to release the potential of our players, make them better and prove that we’re a club worth sticking with because they can achieve their ambitions here. He’s a rookie that has no discernible plan and to keep him in the role says to everyone in football that we are happy to manage a decline back to mediocrity. The time is ticking on our parachute payments and we’re in danger of squandering the legacy of the premier league money. When that runs out and we no longer have Hoyle to bankroll us we have a very uncertain future. That’s why we can’t piss about, we need to start making lots of good decisions very quickly or it could get real ugly. He damaged team morale from Day 1 in my opinion. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 23:10:22 GMT 1
He had no chance under these circumstances, let's make him the fall guy for the fuck ups from the top table hey, that's what happens doesn't it ?
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 23:13:27 GMT 1
He had no chance under these circumstances, let's make him the fall guy for the fuck ups from the top table hey, that's what happens doesn't it ? I Said top table but you fuckers won't have it will you |
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Post by zoso on Aug 10, 2019 23:14:11 GMT 1
He’s out of his depth and to keep him in the job might cause irreparable damage to team morale. What sort of message does it send to a Kongolo/Grant that we’re letting Siewert lead their development. What are they going to learn from him, how’s he going to improve their career? We need a talented leader to release the potential of our players, make them better and prove that we’re a club worth sticking with because they can achieve their ambitions here. He’s a rookie that has no discernible plan and to keep him in the role says to everyone in football that we are happy to manage a decline back to mediocrity. The time is ticking on our parachute payments and we’re in danger of squandering the legacy of the premier league money. When that runs out and we no longer have Hoyle to bankroll us we have a very uncertain future. That’s why we can’t piss about, we need to start making lots of good decisions very quickly or it could get real ugly. He damaged team morale from Day 1 in my opinion. Wasn't that already damaged before he came to Town? |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 10, 2019 23:14:39 GMT 1
He had no chance under these circumstances, let's make him the fall guy for the fuck ups from the top table hey, that's what happens doesn't it ? To be fair, Rebbe, Wagner, Hoyle, Moss, Winkler, Hughes, Buhler, etc have all departed (granted Hoyle still has a few fingers in the pie). Is there anyone left to blame for the current predicament? |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 10, 2019 23:16:27 GMT 1
What's wrong with the players having some balls, standing upto the manager and declaring what's going wrong. Didn't Wagner have meetings with the players to resolve frustrations, and the like. Surely the players are getting the signals from the supporters not all is well, maybe they take their wedge of dosh every week and say ah well. Didn’t billing do that in the press and got pelters (I actually think he should have kept his views private) ... regardless he also got players player of the year - they’re both facts so open to various interpretation www.htafc.com/news/2019/april/schindler-retains-towns-player-of-the-year-award/ |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 23:20:50 GMT 1
The Mayor of Mirfield walks away with his head in tact,or halo above his head in tact ?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 10, 2019 23:21:24 GMT 1
What's wrong with the players having some balls, standing upto the manager and declaring what's going wrong. Didn't Wagner have meetings with the players to resolve frustrations, and the like. Surely the players are getting the signals from the supporters not all is well, maybe they take their wedge of dosh every week and say ah well. Didn’t billing do that and got pelters He got slated by the fans without knowing the full facts. As a result he's earning plaudits for his performance in the PL today, whilst we're suffering from the ineptness of a manager who appears to be out of his depth. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 10, 2019 23:23:32 GMT 1
Didn’t billing do that and got pelters He got slated by the fans without knowing the full facts. As a result he's earning plaudits for his performance in the PL today, whilst we're suffering from the ineptness of a manager who appears to be out of his depth. Agreed and edited my post after People have derided billing as a wrong un etc - if he was why did the rest of the team vote him player of the year, you just wouldn’t if the guy was a complete wanker I don’t actually know either way about PB as a person but it seems to me he was respected by his team mates and not deemed a pain in the arse |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 10, 2019 23:30:34 GMT 1
He got slated by the fans without knowing the full facts. As a result he's earning plaudits for his performance in the PL today, whilst we're suffering from the ineptness of a manager who appears to be out of his depth. Agreed and edited my post after People have derided billing as a wrong un etc - if he was why did the rest of the team vote him player of the year, you just wouldn’t if the guy was a complete wanker I don’t actually don’t know either way but it seems to me he was respected by his team mates and not a pain in the arse Did you see Zanka's parting statement today (on the transfer thread I think). He appears to imply that it wasn't his decision to leave. There's trouble at t'mill |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 23:31:32 GMT 1
The sooner he’s gone the better. Get a fresh guy in and galvanise these players. Work out a plan that fits the players and add an ethos/ethic/style. We saw the level of opposition today. We can still have a good season. Get Grant involved. Pritchard clearly decent at this level etc etc
We must act now. The wise and brave move is to accept the mistake now and change things.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 10, 2019 23:35:16 GMT 1
Agreed and edited my post after People have derided billing as a wrong un etc - if he was why did the rest of the team vote him player of the year, you just wouldn’t if the guy was a complete wanker I don’t actually don’t know either way but it seems to me he was respected by his team mates and not a pain in the arse Did you see Zanka's parting statement today (on the transfer thread I think). He appears to imply that it wasn't his decision to leave. There's trouble at t'mill Yeah again Zanka gets a bad press in my view Him and Lossl win or lose clapped the fans - ie respectful Zanka got the beers in at Soton - a nice and unnecessary gesture Lossl got the Syrian kid who was filmed being bullied at almondbury tickets and travelled to London to sit with the fans at palace when he got dropped (for hamer) and our relegation was confirmed Neither seem bad types to me and in 2017/18 both played massive parts Yet they say they want out of a club on a apparent downward trend and are vilified |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 10, 2019 23:54:18 GMT 1
He seemed to come in out his depth and upset an already low morale dressing room. Club seems to have messed up by deciding to back him instead of what is becoming more apparent is Jan is the problem. Why bring in a manager who can't work with the squad and requires 3 transfer windows before he can operate? Disaster of an appointment outside looking in.
Is the club trying to save face after banging on about tracking him for 3 years and don't want to appear to have made a further mistake?
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Post by Stiggy on Aug 10, 2019 23:57:12 GMT 1
Looks like hes lost the majority of the fans so he'll probably be sent packing very shortly.
The next appointment is key, no more PE teachers or kit men from the German sunday league we need to get it right!
Someone with promotion experience.
We've spent fook all in the transfer window so there must be money left in the kitty to get a decent gaffer in surely.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 11, 2019 0:04:40 GMT 1
I must say in the space week this place has gone from us going up to total meltdown and wanting Seiwert sacking. It's not particularly palatable to be talking of someone getting so much hammer and losing his job, I don't know, I don't think the club have covered themselves in glory with their transfer policy hampering him with non descript players from equally non descript clubs. Maybe he should get till the end of September then see where we are then. I had my doubts about him but he doesn't help himself at times,maybe go back to the drawing board on the formation Jan mate. Use Tuesday to try something new but for god's sake do not lose.
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 11, 2019 0:06:27 GMT 1
Jose was right... you class C eggs...Get crap omelettes You all expect Michelin star having spent zilch ....We’re not going to get that Waken up - a point away at QPR is a point towards safety and aiming towards mid table Seriously - what on Earth do you expect The quicker some you realise we will be closer to the bottom than the top the better
The team and squad is worse than under Wagner
And Siewert isn’t Wagner
2 + 2 = worse than 2016/17!Think thats going to turn out to be spot on. The early signs certainly back it up. Grants better than Wells up top IMO and early days but Grabara looks a better keeper than Ward. But them aside we don;t look as good anywhere else on the pitch .. we just pay them a hell of a lot more. Id also suggest team spirit, something that played a MASSIVE part in our promotion year, is nothing like it was either. And for me,the keyword when we gained promotion was SOLID. Apart from a handful of games and the last month or so of the season, we looked battled hardened, defiant, and most importantly self reliant. Nothing and nobody could intimidate us. As it stands now, we have played 2 games. 2 games against a shadow of a side that got the the playoff final and a club that has just brought in 15 new players......15. We look a million miles away from 2016/17. JS could have stood outside Loftus Road and asked 11 guys to play today and it could not have looked any worse. And after today the key word for me is AMATEURISH from the top, down |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 11, 2019 0:09:18 GMT 1
Town fans don;t care about exciting football IMO. Its about winning football. wagner didn;t produce exciting teams that scored goals. No one minded because we were winning. Wagner's teams didn't play Keegan-style exciting football, but they did play constructive, passing football with a clear strategy that the players obviously bought into. I found it entertaining to watch alot of the time, even though we didn't score loads of goals. It was far better than the 'hoof it and hope' stuff I've watched during the majority of my time as a Town fan. Initially it was a novelty just watching a Town team that was able to consistently put three passes together! Whatever you think of Wagner's style, we all knew what to expect, and the players - in the main - were able to deliver results. Well, until the financial inequality of the Premier League caught up with us. With Wagner there was a clear playing style, an obvious plan - and although it wasn't 'exciting', it was considerably better to watch than the football we had become accustomed to watching before his arrival. I always looked at it as quite a pragmatic approach. We won;t score many, but we won;t concede many either. Not particularly exciting football but the league table was exciting and thats what really mattered. I find it weird that the club revelled during the Wagner years about having an 'identity'... a way of playing that was 'our way' and it proved very successful. When we changed managers we were told we had purposely gone out and brought in a manager who would continue with that identity. Yet here we are a few months later playing a completely different system? 433 is it? |
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Post by geoffhuttsbandylegs on Aug 11, 2019 0:17:33 GMT 1
I must say in the space week this place has gone from us going up to total meltdown and wanting Seiwert sacking. It's not particularly palatable to be talking of someone getting so much hammer and losing his job, I don't know, I don't think the club have covered themselves in glory with their transfer policy hampering him with non descript players from equally non descript clubs. Maybe he should get till the end of September then see where we are then. I had my doubts about him but he doesn't help himself at times,maybe go back to the drawing board on the formation Jan mate. Use Tuesday to try something new but for god's sake do not lose. Colin Bell has a wealth of coaching, tactics, organisational and player management experience, and has dealt with players at all levels getting them playing well above their supposed capabilities. My instincts when he was signed from The Republic of Ireland role was that he would likely be the next head coach if and when Jan.S gets canned...The appointment of David Webb only reinforced the thought, as the experience levels seem a better fit. I absolutely believe that if P.H had the so called full confidence in Jan...More investment in the squad would have happened . Cheaper low risk potential, or low fee/free transfers in suggests trust issues. Why spend significant sums for a Manager you have grown to have no faith in. They had publicly backed him , so must give maybe 10 games to not lose face totally, and I hope I am wrong , and we improve massively an quickly, but I can't ignore my own business/people management history, and my instinct that the late appointment of Webb after deadline day was to fireproof him for when Jan goes, and that January sees some significant squad investment with a new trusted capable Manager/ Head Coach...… Just an opinion , and though it's painful right now I never have or will slag my club off....Not even when second bottom of the old 4th Division :-) |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 11, 2019 0:18:45 GMT 1
Whatever people might think of jan, imagine being a manager coming into a PL club who (behind closed doors) was likely told not to worry about this season but to focus on next season. that the club is financially very stable, has a squad able to compete very well in the championship, and that money from sales will be reinvested in a "1 in 1 out" policy. "a huge summer ahead", suggesting he can shape his squad......... then imagine having your best players sold and being given a handful of players Lee clark might not have fancied in league 1 as replacements, not even on a 1 in 1 out basis Jan might never make a good manager but for me he was done by the board before the season even started. Spot on |
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 11, 2019 0:20:08 GMT 1
I must say in the space week this place has gone from us going up to total meltdown and wanting Seiwert sacking. It's not particularly palatable to be talking of someone getting so much hammer and losing his job, I don't know, I don't think the club have covered themselves in glory with their transfer policy hampering him with non descript players from equally non descript clubs. Maybe he should get till the end of September then see where we are then. I had my doubts about him but he doesn't help himself at times,maybe go back to the drawing board on the formation Jan mate. Use Tuesday to try something new but for god's sake do not lose. Colin Bell has a wealth of coaching, tactics, organisational and player management experience, and has dealt with players at all levels getting them playing well above their supposed capabilities. My instincts when he was signed from The Republic of Ireland role was that he would likely be the next head coach if and when Jan.S gets canned...The appointment of David Webb only reinforced the thought, as the experience levels seem a better fit. I absolutely believe that if P.H had the so called full confidence in Jan...More investment in the squad would have happened . Cheaper low risk potential, or low fee/free transfers in suggests trust issues. Why spend significant sums for a Manager you have grown to have no faith in. They had publicly backed him , so must give maybe 10 games to not lose face totally, and I hope I am wrong , and we improve massively an quickly, but I can't ignore my own business/people management history, and my instinct that the late appointment of Webb after deadline day was to fireproof him for when Jan goes, and that January sees some significant squad investment with a new trusted capable Manager/ Head Coach...… Just an opinion , and though it's painful right now I never have or will slag my club off....Not even when second bottom of the old 4th Division :-) Thanks for your input, Colin. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 11, 2019 0:26:30 GMT 1
As I and many others said when Wagner walked, it should have been Jokanovic. Utter insanity that we didn't go in hard for him
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Post by geoffhuttsbandylegs on Aug 11, 2019 0:29:28 GMT 1
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Post by geoffhuttsbandylegs on Aug 11, 2019 0:32:58 GMT 1
Colin Bell has a wealth of coaching, tactics, organisational and player management experience, and has dealt with players at all levels getting them playing well above their supposed capabilities. My instincts when he was signed from The Republic of Ireland role was that he would likely be the next head coach if and when Jan.S gets canned...The appointment of David Webb only reinforced the thought, as the experience levels seem a better fit. I absolutely believe that if P.H had the so called full confidence in Jan...More investment in the squad would have happened . Cheaper low risk potential, or low fee/free transfers in suggests trust issues. Why spend significant sums for a Manager you have grown to have no faith in. They had publicly backed him , so must give maybe 10 games to not lose face totally, and I hope I am wrong , and we improve massively an quickly, but I can't ignore my own business/people management history, and my instinct that the late appointment of Webb after deadline day was to fireproof him for when Jan goes, and that January sees some significant squad investment with a new trusted capable Manager/ Head Coach...… Just an opinion , and though it's painful right now I never have or will slag my club off....Not even when second bottom of the old 4th Division :-) Thanks for your input, Colin. HAHAHAAA.... Don't know the guy, but just seemed strange, along with all the other things I said, that we recruited a person with more quality/experience , on every level than the person he supposedly answers to! ..and who has stated his strong wish to manage recently ;-) Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/112690/sack?page=3#ixzz5wFCAfalu |
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 11, 2019 1:03:11 GMT 1
I must say in the space week this place has gone from us going up to total meltdown and wanting Seiwert sacking. It's not particularly palatable to be talking of someone getting so much hammer and losing his job, I don't know, I don't think the club have covered themselves in glory with their transfer policy hampering him with non descript players from equally non descript clubs. Maybe he should get till the end of September then see where we are then. I had my doubts about him but he doesn't help himself at times,maybe go back to the drawing board on the formation Jan mate. Use Tuesday to try something new but for god's sake do not lose. Colin Bell has a wealth of coaching, tactics, organisational and player management experience, and has dealt with players at all levels getting them playing well above their supposed capabilities. My instincts when he was signed from The Republic of Ireland role was that he would likely be the next head coach if and when Jan.S gets canned...The appointment of David Webb only reinforced the thought, as the experience levels seem a better fit. I absolutely believe that if P.H had the so called full confidence in Jan...More investment in the squad would have happened . Cheaper low risk potential, or low fee/free transfers in suggests trust issues. Why spend significant sums for a Manager you have grown to have no faith in. They had publicly backed him , so must give maybe 10 games to not lose face totally, and I hope I am wrong , and we improve massively an quickly, but I can't ignore my own business/people management history, and my instinct that the late appointment of Webb after deadline day was to fireproof him for when Jan goes, and that January sees some significant squad investment with a new trusted capable Manager/ Head Coach...… Just an opinion , and though it's painful right now I never have or will slag my club off....Not even when second bottom of the old 4th Division :-) Irrespective of who a new manager maybe, I personally have never understood this "10 game" rule and then get rid if it isn't working. If a team is docked 12pts before a ball is kicked, it is deemed as dead and buried. Why wait for a potential 30 pts to be lost before you believe the "bounce effect" will change or improve a season. If a manager isn't up to the job before a ball is kicked then suck it up and admit to your mistakes and get rid. |
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Post by dumbo on Aug 11, 2019 1:05:53 GMT 1
Confidence is shot but this will come then you'll all be ashamed of your kneejerk outrage. How will it come? I though scoring first would give us some but it didn't seem to. We need to win games to get confidence but we need confidence to win games. Banana skin followed by 2 tough games, I'm losing confidence thinking about it. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 11, 2019 7:37:10 GMT 1
I must say in the space week this place has gone from us going up to total meltdown and wanting Seiwert sacking. It's not particularly palatable to be talking of someone getting so much hammer and losing his job, I don't know, I don't think the club have covered themselves in glory with their transfer policy hampering him with non descript players from equally non descript clubs. Maybe he should get till the end of September then see where we are then. I had my doubts about him but he doesn't help himself at times,maybe go back to the drawing board on the formation Jan mate. Use Tuesday to try something new but for god's sake do not lose. It is apparent that he’s taking the club backwards so why wait? It is brutal to speak so frankly of a man losing his job but this is a ruthless game with incredible rewards. I’m generally speaking optimistic and like to give people a chance, but it’s clear that we made a mistake and just hoping he’ll turn it around when 6 weeks of him getting his ideas across in pre-season has had no impact is just wishful thinking. |
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