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Post by upthetown on Aug 11, 2019 19:37:38 GMT 1
I’d still give him more time in the hope he will turn it round. But I’m a bit concerned that we aren’t seeing more evidence on the pitch, results aside. With Wagner we saw an instant change in identity and clear style. Even when he didn’t have the players he wanted.
Siewert has technically been here two transfer windows now and worked with the majority of the side for 8 months. Yet we aren’t really seeing this more attacking brand of football, in that we still often dint get enough men in the box. Granted he’s not been helped in the transfer market, but, the loss of our possession based game is a concern to me.
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 11, 2019 19:48:06 GMT 1
I’d still give him more time in the hope he will turn it round. But I’m a bit concerned that we aren’t seeing more evidence on the pitch, results aside. With Wagner we saw an instant change in identity and clear style. Even when he didn’t have the players he wanted.Siewert has technically been here two transfer windows now and worked with the majority of the side for 8 months. Yet we aren’t really seeing this more attacking brand of football, in that we still often dint get enough men in the box. Granted he’s not been helped in the transfer market, but, the loss of our possession based game is a concern to me. Bielsa the same at Leeds. Clear identity and all done with a squad not suitable at all on paper. Same with Chris Wilder last season. Monk or some other merry go round wanker would have their side in mid table at best. The defence alone...they have an average winger at FB, Liam Cooper playing out of defence, yet at this moment in time they'd hammer us. We wouldn't get the ball off them. |
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Post by dirtysteve on Aug 11, 2019 19:49:34 GMT 1
I’d still give him more time in the hope he will turn it round. But I’m a bit concerned that we aren’t seeing more evidence on the pitch, results aside. With Wagner we saw an instant change in identity and clear style. Even when he didn’t have the players he wanted. Siewert has technically been here two transfer windows now and worked with the majority of the side for 8 months. Yet we aren’t really seeing this more attacking brand of football, in that we still often dint get enough men in the box. Granted he’s not been helped in the transfer market, but, the loss of our possession based game is a concern to me. Agreed; the loss of our possession based style is of major concern. If it stays the same throughout the season we will undoubtedly be in League 1. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 19:50:18 GMT 1
I must say in the space week this place has gone from us going up to total meltdown and wanting Seiwert sacking. It's not particularly palatable to be talking of someone getting so much hammer and losing his job, I don't know, I don't think the club have covered themselves in glory with their transfer policy hampering him with non descript players from equally non descript clubs. Maybe he should get till the end of September then see where we are then. I had my doubts about him but he doesn't help himself at times,maybe go back to the drawing board on the formation Jan mate. Use Tuesday to try something new but for god's sake do not lose. It is apparent that he’s taking the club backwards so why wait? It is brutal to speak so frankly of a man losing his job but this is a ruthless game with incredible rewards. I’m generally speaking optimistic and like to give people a chance, but it’s clear that we made a mistake and just hoping he’ll turn it around when 6 weeks of him getting his ideas across in pre-season has had no impact is just wishful thinking.
Am only on page 4, But had to reply to this -
Pray tell who would you have given the job to ? Seeing as imo we had hit the ceiling under Wagner,, Before he came we had improved league position standing year on year.
Everybody who we employ for the next few years will not emulate what DW did, Not a hope in hell,
We are were we are,, Finances etc dictate this.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 11, 2019 19:54:43 GMT 1
The real question is how did he ever get the job in the first place.
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Post by Champers on Aug 11, 2019 19:55:15 GMT 1
I’d still give him more time in the hope he will turn it round. But I’m a bit concerned that we aren’t seeing more evidence on the pitch, results aside. With Wagner we saw an instant change in identity and clear style. Even when he didn’t have the players he wanted.Siewert has technically been here two transfer windows now and worked with the majority of the side for 8 months. Yet we aren’t really seeing this more attacking brand of football, in that we still often dint get enough men in the box. Granted he’s not been helped in the transfer market, but, the loss of our possession based game is a concern to me. Bielsa the same at Leeds. Clear identity and all done with a squad not suitable at all on paper. Same with Chris Wilder last season. Monk or some other merry go round wanker would have their side in mid table at best. The defence alone...they have an average winger at FB, Liam Cooper playing out of defence, yet at this moment in time they'd hammer us. We wouldn't get the ball off them. Honestly, the only plus I can find at the moment is that we've still got 4 months to try and find a clue, as Leeds will absolutely ragdoll us as things stand currently. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 11, 2019 19:57:55 GMT 1
It is apparent that he’s taking the club backwards so why wait? It is brutal to speak so frankly of a man losing his job but this is a ruthless game with incredible rewards. I’m generally speaking optimistic and like to give people a chance, but it’s clear that we made a mistake and just hoping he’ll turn it around when 6 weeks of him getting his ideas across in pre-season has had no impact is just wishful thinking.
Am only on page 4, But had to reply to this -
Pray tell who would you have given the job to ? Seeing as imo we had hit the ceiling under Wagner,, Before he came we had improved league position standing year on year.
Everybody who we employ for the next few years will not emulate what DW did, Not a hope in hell,
We are were we are,, Finances etc dictate this.
You ask that like there were no other options other than a manager with almost zero experience and with no track record whatsoever. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 11, 2019 19:59:25 GMT 1
I remember Norwich fans begging the board to sack Farke after 1 win in 6 at the start of last season. We've had a narrow defeat to last seasons playoff finalists & managed a draw at QPR, yes we were hanging on after the penalty but before that it was an even match. No easy games in this division, anyone who thought we'd just turn up at QPR & wipe the floor with them are seriously misguided. Some comments on here & Twatter you'd think we've just rolled over & got spanked for the first two games but that's not the case at all.
Long way to go yet, let's not turn on the players & manager after two games FFS!
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 11, 2019 19:59:33 GMT 1
Genuine question for those who have voted to keep him, what is this based on other than blind optimism? He's come in and had no form of positive effect on any aspect of the club. If this was an employee in any other profession they'd have been gone within a few weeks when it became obvious they were incompetent. Also, this point about the lack of spending being a sign that the board don't belive in him, if that's the case then he should have gone in the summer. I will answer as honestly as I can. I don’t judge him on last season. He was given a disillusioned team with a negative, losing mentality. He was on a hiding to nothing. Not to mention following in the footsteps of one of the best managers we have ever had. The fans had pretty much lost faith, it was a chore to watch, every week was hard work, not just when he came, way before that. The club was visibly in decline. So my decision is to judge him from this pre season onwards. The board have kicked him in the nuts by giving him pretty much nothing whilst disposing of one of the best midfielders I have seen at the club, along with our midfield player of the year. 2 players gone who influence our game. Both full backs we have consistently played for the last 3 years have gone. Then we have the arseholes like Sabiri allegedly poisoning the dressing room. He not only has the job of pleasing fans, he has the job of psychologically re building a disjointed squad. His stubbornness sticking with the current formation is concerning but given the players at his disposal is not surprising. We were poor for large parts against an average Derby team and were poor for the last 40 minutes at QPR, which is never a walk in the park for any team. I personally would give the lad up to the Luton game and then make a decision dependant on our form/league position. Hence my vote to keep him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 20:00:53 GMT 1
The real question is how did he ever get the job in the first place. You would have to ask Dean Hoyle, Stuart Webber, Julian Winter and David Wagner that question. Allegedly they were all involved with him being on a short list of one. |
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Post by k1man999 on Aug 11, 2019 20:01:31 GMT 1
It is apparent that he’s taking the club backwards so why wait? It is brutal to speak so frankly of a man losing his job but this is a ruthless game with incredible rewards. I’m generally speaking optimistic and like to give people a chance, but it’s clear that we made a mistake and just hoping he’ll turn it around when 6 weeks of him getting his ideas across in pre-season has had no impact is just wishful thinking.
Am only on page 4, But had to reply to this -
Pray tell who would you have given the job to ? Seeing as imo we had hit the ceiling under Wagner,, Before he came we had improved league position standing year on year.
Everybody who we employ for the next few years will not emulate what DW did, Not a hope in hell,
We are were we are,, Finances etc dictate this.
Brentford have been where they are not spending loads but pushing top 6-8, entertained the fans and wider TV audiences thats all most fans want if the "stars align again" great. you don't need to spend loads with the right people at the helm as we have proved before. Unfortunately JS is showing all the signs he is not that man. |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 11, 2019 20:02:15 GMT 1
Which game did you go to yesterday? We had 11 men behind the ball for 80% of the game and we set up for a draw. because the manager is desperate to get some sort of result. QPR are a poor side and they made us defend for most of the game. Believe me we had absolutely no game plan we did virtually no pressing ( when we did we looked better) and we created virtually no chances from open play. I desperately want Town to win but I can only see things getting worse if we do not get rid of this manager now. Unfortunately in my opinion the board are equally to blame for the position we find ourselves in by employing someone who is simply not capable of doing the job. That's it, start your own sack Siewert thread and then when people get tired of it, start infiltrating the other one  So sorry I didn’t realise when you start a thread no one is allowed to post on it I won’t bother in the future but did you go to the game? Because if you witnessed anything positive I need to go back to the doctors and ask him to adjust my medication. |
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 11, 2019 20:13:53 GMT 1
Its fookin over already..
The rush for the exit from our better players is all the evidence we need..
The danes..gone
Billing.gone
Mooy ..gone
Tommy smith..gone
Why?
We have money..
We pay the wages..
Wreck it jan has come in swinging..
Pissed off most of the players..
The team spirit and loyalty is a distant memory..
We are sinking like a fookin stone.
Abandon ship.
Man the lifeboats..
Every man for himself..
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Post by space hardware on Aug 11, 2019 20:14:21 GMT 1
Genuine question for those who have voted to keep him, what is this based on other than blind optimism? He's come in and had no form of positive effect on any aspect of the club. If this was an employee in any other profession they'd have been gone within a few weeks when it became obvious they were incompetent. Also, this point about the lack of spending being a sign that the board don't belive in him, if that's the case then he should have gone in the summer. I will answer as honestly as I can. I don’t judge him on last season. He was given a disillusioned team with a negative, losing mentality. He was on a hiding to nothing. Not to mention following in the footsteps of one of the best managers we have ever had. The fans had pretty much lost faith, it was a chore to watch, every week was hard work, not just when he came, way before that. The club was visibly in decline. So my decision is to judge him from this pre season onwards. The board have kicked him in the nuts by giving him pretty much nothing whilst disposing of one of the best midfielders I have seen at the club, along with our midfield player of the year. 2 players gone who influence our game. Both full backs we have consistently played for the last 3 years have gone. Then we have the arseholes like Sabiri allegedly poisoning the dressing room. He not only has the job of pleasing fans, he has the job of psychologically re building a disjointed squad. His stubbornness sticking with the current formation is concerning but given the players at his disposal is not surprising. We were poor for large parts against an average Derby team and were poor for the last 40 minutes at QPR, which is never a walk in the park for any team. I personally would give the lad up to the Luton game and then make a decision dependant on our form/league position. Hence my vote to keep him. He's trying to play 4-3-3 with a set of players who don't suit that system. He's not stubborn, he's clueless. It's painful to watch, the guy is so far out of his depth it's almost unbelievable. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 11, 2019 20:18:15 GMT 1
I will answer as honestly as I can. I don’t judge him on last season. He was given a disillusioned team with a negative, losing mentality. He was on a hiding to nothing. Not to mention following in the footsteps of one of the best managers we have ever had. The fans had pretty much lost faith, it was a chore to watch, every week was hard work, not just when he came, way before that. The club was visibly in decline. So my decision is to judge him from this pre season onwards. The board have kicked him in the nuts by giving him pretty much nothing whilst disposing of one of the best midfielders I have seen at the club, along with our midfield player of the year. 2 players gone who influence our game. Both full backs we have consistently played for the last 3 years have gone. Then we have the arseholes like Sabiri allegedly poisoning the dressing room. He not only has the job of pleasing fans, he has the job of psychologically re building a disjointed squad. His stubbornness sticking with the current formation is concerning but given the players at his disposal is not surprising. We were poor for large parts against an average Derby team and were poor for the last 40 minutes at QPR, which is never a walk in the park for any team. I personally would give the lad up to the Luton game and then make a decision dependant on our form/league position. Hence my vote to keep him. He's trying to play 4-3-3 with a set of players who don't suit that system. He's not stubborn, he's clueless. It's painful to watch, the guy is so far out of his depth it's almost unbelievable. Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 11, 2019 20:21:14 GMT 1
He's trying to play 4-3-3 with a set of players who don't suit that system. He's not stubborn, he's clueless. It's painful to watch, the guy is so far out of his depth it's almost unbelievable. Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? Here goes 😁 ..... Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Hogg Bacuna Diakhaby Pritchard VLP Grant |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 11, 2019 20:22:34 GMT 1
Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? Here goes 😁 ..... Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Hogg Bacuna Diakhaby Pritchard VLP Grant Yes, yes, yes. Get VLP in the team!! |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 11, 2019 20:23:07 GMT 1
It is apparent that he’s taking the club backwards so why wait? It is brutal to speak so frankly of a man losing his job but this is a ruthless game with incredible rewards. I’m generally speaking optimistic and like to give people a chance, but it’s clear that we made a mistake and just hoping he’ll turn it around when 6 weeks of him getting his ideas across in pre-season has had no impact is just wishful thinking.
Am only on page 4, But had to reply to this -
Pray tell who would you have given the job to ? Seeing as imo we had hit the ceiling under Wagner,, Before he came we had improved league position standing year on year.
Everybody who we employ for the next few years will not emulate what DW did, Not a hope in hell,
We are were we are,, Finances etc dictate this.
I’d have given it to someone with a far better track record than Siewert, no idea who that would be. Our stock was high and we could’ve got some with european pedigree, gravitas that the players would’ve bought into and a style that would have kept the high pressing identity that we’ve lost with Siewert. Whether it was the right appointment or not then, it’s evident to me and plenty others on here that he’s not the right appointment now so your question is by the by really. |
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Post by terriers2000 on Aug 11, 2019 20:24:03 GMT 1
Watch us lose on Tuesday then batter Fulham on Friday or we lose on Tuesday then lose 4-0 against Fulham
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Post by griffa on Aug 11, 2019 20:29:05 GMT 1
He needs to go & quick, he's been with us since January! Hopeless Manager, bound to fail, he's out of his depth! - UTT.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 11, 2019 20:30:14 GMT 1
Fulham have a decent team,
Imo we hopefully get a point.
Lose at Cardiff on a night
Reading will be a must mustest win imo.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 11, 2019 20:37:46 GMT 1
I'll be amazed if we can live with that Fulham side on Friday. We'd have a job on even if we were at our best, never mind when we look like 11 strangers taking to the field together for the first time
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Post by royrace on Aug 11, 2019 21:32:10 GMT 1
I remember Norwich fans begging the board to sack Farke after 1 win in 6 at the start of last season. We've had a narrow defeat to last seasons playoff finalists & managed a draw at QPR, yes we were hanging on after the penalty but before that it was an even match. No easy games in this division, anyone who thought we'd just turn up at QPR & wipe the floor with them are seriously misguided. Some comments on here & Twatter you'd think we've just rolled over & got spanked for the first two games but that's not the case at all. Long way to go yet, let's not turn on the players & manager after two games FFS! You speak like someone who hasn’t seen the team play or noted any of the other goings on for the last 6 months. If an outsider looked simply at results and wasn’t aware of any other factors I could see how they would come to that conclusion. You have look beyond the results, I’d be happy with 2 defeats if we could see some positive signs, I’m sure others are the same. There is no comparison between farke and jan other than they are both German. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 21:38:13 GMT 1
Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? Here goes 😁 ..... Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Hogg Bacuna Diakhaby Pritchard VLP Grant Trev ? |
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Post by Champers on Aug 11, 2019 21:52:58 GMT 1
He's trying to play 4-3-3 with a set of players who don't suit that system. He's not stubborn, he's clueless. It's painful to watch, the guy is so far out of his depth it's almost unbelievable. Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? I don't think his actual team selections have been that bad in fairness. Left back/centre back debacle aside, he certainly seems to be picking the strongest eleven available. Getting them to play as a unit in his preferred formation is the issue, and it always has been. I don't like the guy, but even I can write off the results of last season as it was clearly a thankless task. It was what it was. However, when you've had 6 months to prepare for the start of a season against weaker opposition and STILL can't get your act together, then nothing points to this ending well for either party. We need to stop the rot and waiting is pointless. It could completely scupper our chances of doing anything this season if we waste a quarter of it waiting for some miracle to never happen. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Aug 11, 2019 22:09:55 GMT 1
I think we have a decent championship squad but they are playing at a level far lower than the sum of their abilities
There has to be a reason for it
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 11, 2019 22:36:26 GMT 1
Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? Here goes 😁 ..... Grabara Bockhorn Schindler Kongolo Brown Hogg Bacuna Diakhaby Pritchard VLP Grant Diakhaby? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 11, 2019 22:37:43 GMT 1
We have a decent top ten squad.
Siewert will take us down. I just can’t see what he is trying to do. I actually feel like the season is over already. I see nothing positive at all.
I’ve made plenty of mistakes in my life as I’ve got older I’ve realised the only way forward is too suck it up and admit it. So Phil that’s yours to do.
Get Chris Hughton in, whatever the cost, surely after the Billing/Mooy sales we have some ?
I tip my hat to those that went to QPR. On tv you looked bored. I guess you were.
Worrying times
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 11, 2019 22:41:37 GMT 1
Siewert can't be on more than £10,000 a week, no chance. Pay him off if this shit continues in the next 4 games.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 11, 2019 22:42:29 GMT 1
The real question is how did he ever get the job in the first place. You would have to ask Dean Hoyle, Stuart Webber, Julian Winter and David Wagner that question. Allegedly they were all involved with him being on a short list of one. Go on then, you're obviously in the know aren't you... |
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