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Post by griffa on Aug 11, 2019 22:43:16 GMT 1
Fair enough mate. I get I am an absolute minority. Let’s say you get to pick the team v Fulham, who do you pick? I don't think his actual team selections have been that bad in fairness. Left back/centre back debacle aside, he certainly seems to be picking the strongest eleven available. Getting them to play as a unit in his preferred formation is the issue, and it always has been. I don't like the guy, but even I can write off the results of last season as it was clearly a thankless task. It was what it was. However, when you've had 6 months to prepare for the start of a season against weaker opposition and STILL can't get your act together, then nothing points to this ending well for either party. We need to stop the rot and waiting is pointless. It could completely scupper our chances of doing anything this season if we waste a quarter of it waiting for some miracle to never happen. His team selection & tactics have dire. For example - Super Colin Quaner, shouldn't be on the team sheet, at all! - UTT.
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 11, 2019 22:46:03 GMT 1
I don't think his actual team selections have been that bad in fairness. Left back/centre back debacle aside, he certainly seems to be picking the strongest eleven available. Getting them to play as a unit in his preferred formation is the issue, and it always has been. I don't like the guy, but even I can write off the results of last season as it was clearly a thankless task. It was what it was. However, when you've had 6 months to prepare for the start of a season against weaker opposition and STILL can't get your act together, then nothing points to this ending well for either party. We need to stop the rot and waiting is pointless. It could completely scupper our chances of doing anything this season if we waste a quarter of it waiting for some miracle to never happen. His team selection & tactics have dire. For example - Super Colin Quaner, shouldn't be on the team sheet, at all! - UTT. Correct 1-0 up away from home. Playing too deep. Put an extra body in midfield and stifle the play. Stankovic could have done that. Man has no idea about game management.
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Post by melbourneterrier on Aug 11, 2019 22:49:51 GMT 1
I remember Norwich fans begging the board to sack Farke after 1 win in 6 at the start of last season. We've had a narrow defeat to last seasons playoff finalists & managed a draw at QPR, yes we were hanging on after the penalty but before that it was an even match. No easy games in this division, anyone who thought we'd just turn up at QPR & wipe the floor with them are seriously misguided. Some comments on here & Twatter you'd think we've just rolled over & got spanked for the first two games but that's not the case at all. Long way to go yet, let's not turn on the players & manager after two games FFS! Well said that man. Agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 22:51:11 GMT 1
You would have to ask Dean Hoyle, Stuart Webber, Julian Winter and David Wagner that question. Allegedly they were all involved with him being on a short list of one. Go on then, you're obviously in the know aren't you... It's all history. Siewert monitored from Wagners early days because there was always the possibility he would be poached. source? Dean Hoyle. There always had to be a fall back option so we weren't left high and dry.
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Post by willo on Aug 11, 2019 22:51:43 GMT 1
Genuine question for those who have voted to keep him, what is this based on other than blind optimism? He's come in and had no form of positive effect on any aspect of the club. If this was an employee in any other profession they'd have been gone within a few weeks when it became obvious they were incompetent. Also, this point about the lack of spending being a sign that the board don't belive in him, if that's the case then he should have gone in the summer. I will answer as honestly as I can. I don’t judge him on last season. He was given a disillusioned team with a negative, losing mentality. He was on a hiding to nothing. Not to mention following in the footsteps of one of the best managers we have ever had. The fans had pretty much lost faith, it was a chore to watch, every week was hard work, not just when he came, way before that. The club was visibly in decline. So my decision is to judge him from this pre season onwards. The board have kicked him in the nuts by giving him pretty much nothing whilst disposing of one of the best midfielders I have seen at the club, along with our midfield player of the year. 2 players gone who influence our game. Both full backs we have consistently played for the last 3 years have gone. Then we have the arseholes like Sabiri allegedly poisoning the dressing room. He not only has the job of pleasing fans, he has the job of psychologically re building a disjointed squad. His stubbornness sticking with the current formation is concerning but given the players at his disposal is not surprising. We were poor for large parts against an average Derby team and were poor for the last 40 minutes at QPR, which is never a walk in the park for any team. I personally would give the lad up to the Luton game and then make a decision dependant on our form/league position. Hence my vote to keep him. Sorry to disagree jj as you are a decent poster but outside of you & one or two others, nobody has any faith in Jan. He may last til the Luton game but will be hanging on by his fingertips if it gets that far. Really can’t call the Lincoln game but if we get beaten by Fulham and played off the park, wouldn’t bet my house on him still being in charge this time next week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 22:57:57 GMT 1
Disagree with your assumption of just one or two wishing JS to be given a fair crack at the shop.Granted on here it seems many more wish him to go than stay but this forum is not representative of all Town fans
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 11, 2019 23:11:03 GMT 1
Disagree with your assumption of just one or two wishing JS to be given a fair crack at the shop.Granted on here it seems many more wish him to go than stay but this forum is not representative of all Town fans To be fair, when we were winning, there were some fair weather supporters singing "Jan Siewert's blue and white army" on Saturday. I was not one of them.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 11, 2019 23:15:40 GMT 1
Disagree with your assumption of just one or two wishing JS to be given a fair crack at the shop.Granted on here it seems many more wish him to go than stay but this forum is not representative of all Town fans Whilst I'm a bit indifferent to his position at the moment, I'd say this forum is very representative of fans on not just this subject but many others as well. Its like the opinion polls in politics, they only cover a tiny minority of the electorate but are usually fairly accurate to within +/-5%. Dean Hoyle said in the recent podcast that he often came on here to judge the general feeling of the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 23:16:08 GMT 1
Disagree with your assumption of just one or two wishing JS to be given a fair crack at the shop.Granted on here it seems many more wish him to go than stay but this forum is not representative of all Town fans To be fair, when we were winning, there were some fair weather supporters singing "Jan Siewert's blue and white army" on Saturday. I was not one of them. What were you singing? "You only sing when we're winning".
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 11, 2019 23:16:59 GMT 1
I think the main thing for me is it seems obvious the players hate him or have no respect for him. He’s openly ridiculed by them on social media (even the ones playing), plus comments behind the scenes if even half-true are a real worry. Sure, players have probably disliked managers before (Clough to our own Mick Buxton), but usually the results have afforded some leeway ... obviously, that’s not applicable in this instance. I think that he’s got until the end of the month to show some progression or a bit of a plan is in place or he’ll be gone. We’ve really fucked up the Premier League experiment haven’t we? I assumed wrongly that it would mean we’d always be competitive at Championship level as we’d keep players or use the money wisely when we sold them. Depressing times again. I hope Jan can turn it around, but I massively doubt it.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 11, 2019 23:23:30 GMT 1
Go on then, you're obviously in the know aren't you... It's all history. Siewert monitored from Wagners early days because there was always the possibility he would be poached. source? Dean Hoyle. There always had to be a fall back option so we weren't left high and dry. Hasn't proved to be the most successful of fall back options has it. Dean Hoyle made two decent appointments in 10 years at Huddersfield, and this wasn't one of them. As for Wagner, like Fergie, human nature wouldn't want you having a more successful successor, so daft having him involved. Stuart Webber had long gone, hadn't he? Julian Winter's record is there for all to see. Yep, that explains a lot.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 11, 2019 23:25:31 GMT 1
To be fair, when we were winning, there were some fair weather supporters singing "Jan Siewert's blue and white army" on Saturday. I was not one of them. What were you singing? "You only sing when we're winning". I was tempted to say: Don't you read DATM chaps?
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 11, 2019 23:41:57 GMT 1
You would have to ask Dean Hoyle, Stuart Webber, Julian Winter and David Wagner that question. Allegedly they were all involved with him being on a short list of one. Go on then, you're obviously in the know aren't you... And the award for most unwarranted reply to a post goes to...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 23:58:28 GMT 1
It's all history. Siewert monitored from Wagners early days because there was always the possibility he would be poached. source? Dean Hoyle. There always had to be a fall back option so we weren't left high and dry. Hasn't proved to be the most successful of fall back options has it.Dean Hoyle made two decent appointments in 10 years at Huddersfield, and this wasn't one of them. As for Wagner, like Fergie, human nature wouldn't want you having a more successful successor, so daft having him involved. Stuart Webber had long gone, hadn't he? Julian Winter's record is there for all to see. Yep, that explains a lot. YET! More than two decent appointments to be fair. The Lee Clark era started our rise to the Championship ultimately finished by Simon Grayson. Both Mark Robins and Chris Powell helped keep us in the Championship. David Wagner took us to the Premier League aided by Stuart Webber following on from Ross Wilson. Each and every one contributed. Edit. Yes Webber was long gone when Wagner left, however not when Siewert was identified as a possible successor.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 12, 2019 0:10:13 GMT 1
Pretty sure he brought in Sean Jarvis too. Another great appointment.
Some things work out and some things don;t. But you don;t go from where this club was on and off the pitch in 2008 to where it was in 2018 without getting a hell of a lot of things right.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 12, 2019 8:37:29 GMT 1
Go on then, you're obviously in the know aren't you... And the award for most unwarranted reply to a post goes to... How was my reply unwarranted? I just wanted to get a bit more information. You're reading something into it that wasn't there.
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Post by irverino on Aug 12, 2019 8:45:45 GMT 1
We have a decent top ten squad. Siewert will take us down. I just can’t see what he is trying to do. I actually feel like the season is over already. I see nothing positive at all. I’ve made plenty of mistakes in my life as I’ve got older I’ve realised the only way forward is too suck it up and admit it. So Phil that’s yours to do. Get Chris Hughton in, whatever the cost, surely after the Billing/Mooy sales we have some ? I tip my hat to those that went to QPR. On tv you looked bored. I guess you were. Worrying times UTT. Was I on telly (front row UT)?........I was bored shitless!
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 12, 2019 8:46:35 GMT 1
Hasn't proved to be the most successful of fall back options has it.Dean Hoyle made two decent appointments in 10 years at Huddersfield, and this wasn't one of them. As for Wagner, like Fergie, human nature wouldn't want you having a more successful successor, so daft having him involved. Stuart Webber had long gone, hadn't he? Julian Winter's record is there for all to see. Yep, that explains a lot. YET! More than two decent appointments to be fair. The Lee Clark era started our rise to the Championship ultimately finished by Simon Grayson. Both Mark Robins and Chris Powell helped keep us in the Championship. David Wagner took us to the Premier League aided by Stuart Webber following on from Ross Wilson. Each and every one contributed. Edit. Yes Webber was long gone when Wagner left, however not when Siewert was identified as a possible successor. Well, none of those managers got us relegated, I'll grant you that! Not really decent appointments though, unless you set yourself pretty low standards. Even Grayson couldn't last a season, despite us actually having bought well after we got promoted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 8:51:50 GMT 1
YET! More than two decent appointments to be fair. The Lee Clark era started our rise to the Championship ultimately finished by Simon Grayson. Both Mark Robins and Chris Powell helped keep us in the Championship. David Wagner took us to the Premier League aided by Stuart Webber following on from Ross Wilson. Each and every one contributed. Edit. Yes Webber was long gone when Wagner left, however not when Siewert was identified as a possible successor. Well, none of those managers got us relegated, I'll grant you that! Not really decent appointments though, unless you set yourself pretty low standards. Even Grayson couldn't last a season, despite us actually having bought well after we got promoted. And probably the best manager in my lifetime didn't get through his contract, all part of the journey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 9:06:02 GMT 1
Pretty sure he brought in Sean Jarvis too. Another great appointment. Some things work out and some things don;t. But you don;t go from where this club was on and off the pitch in 2008 to where it was in 2018 without getting a hell of a lot of things right. well said captainslapper.now every one as to hold there nerve non more than PH.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 12, 2019 9:12:53 GMT 1
Siewart is the German equivalent of Dave Hockaday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 9:15:28 GMT 1
Siewart is the German equivalent of Dave Hockaday. I respect your view but its not one I share but that's football. utt
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 12, 2019 9:23:14 GMT 1
Siewart is the German equivalent of Dave Hockaday. I respect your view but its not one I share but that's football. utt At least when things weren't going well for Leeds they could look at his forest Green record and suggest he'd done well there. Siewart. Nah.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 12, 2019 9:51:28 GMT 1
I respect your view but its not one I share but that's football. utt At least when things weren't going well for Leeds they could look at his forest Green record and suggest he'd done well there. Siewart. Nah. Two managers who probably couldn;t quite believe the job theyd landed. Not sure Leeds could take any comfort from Hockadys record at Forest Green though. 1 relegation ( which was overturned when another club dropped out instead ), 1 relegation miss on goal difference, and 2 mid table finishes despite having pretty much the biggest budget in the division.
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Post by cat57 on Aug 12, 2019 9:58:41 GMT 1
Which Manager would you want in IF he does not improve ?
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 12, 2019 10:02:14 GMT 1
Which Manager would you want in IF he does not improve ? Think one option will be sat in the opposition dugout tomorrow night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 10:09:53 GMT 1
Which Manager would you want in IF he does not improve ? Well obviously Wagner is better than him, but surely his natural successor is already here in England. Step forward, Mr Jürgen Norbert Klopp.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 12, 2019 10:21:31 GMT 1
I don't know what to think anymore. We are in a bit of a mess and it is all of our own making. So many fundamental mistakes; each mistake seemingly compounding the previous mistake.We have cornered the feelbad atmosphere and I am struggling to see any positives. If I could actually see what Jan is trying to achieve, some green shoots of recovery, then I could support the guy going forward. But I can't. I have no idea what he is trying to achieve with the worst 433 system I have ever seen. Worrying times and I feel we have more hurt on the way. Sometimes you have to reach rock bottom before you can refocus. Buckle up for a bumpy ride! I reckon we have to be one of the naivest clubs out there, you look at some of the decisions that are made and have to wonder how they came to be. Imagine any other club in the Premier League hiring a manager of Siewert’s stature, it just wouldn’t happen.alan shearer? steve kean? Siewart wasnt really hired as a PL manager was he, dean knew we were done. he was hired for the championship....like wagner
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Post by ram on Aug 12, 2019 10:33:28 GMT 1
A bunch of serial losers on upwards of 20K a week[most of em?}Personally I wouldn,t pay em 1.5k. Managed by a guy who appears clueless and disliked.Thats a recipe for success? I still reckon PH will keep him.
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